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Just putting this out there cause I want to. And it doesn't seem like anyone else has.
So looking at how this has been announced as a full expansion, I've been looking(and I know I am not the only one) at just how much overall content is available. Not just missions alone, but also ships, races, costumes... and whats available so far is a bit underwhelming.
Since the last expansion(the Delta expansion) didn't have a new player faction, its a bit hard to compare it with that one, so gonna use the Romulan Expansion as an example.
Please note the TOS numbers are subject to change as they are still adding stuff to the game. But at the current time these are the numbers.
Unique Faction Story Arcs and Episodes
New Story Arcs shared with other factions
Leaving a total number of 31 episodes from the Romulan expansion. 30 missions in the Delta expansion. And only 10 to the AoY Expansion.
And with the game coming out July 6th, leaves only 3 weekly updates to add more content, with the current trend of adding 1 mission a week to the Shared Story Arc.
Which would put the Shared Arc at 5 missions in total. And total amount of Missions added in the expansion at 10.
Meaning there is only about a third amount of missions available.
I hope I am wrong and they will be adding a lot more.
Free Faction Ships
Payed Ships from Pack
Unique New Free Costumes
Overall the only thing the TOS faction offers is 2 more ships in a payed pack ships. But 3 of those ships in the pack are shared with the other factions, so not even there does the TOS faction have more stuff thats unique to themself.
Anyway, please take this post in a civil manner. And post/share your thoughts.
EDIT: Added a few numbers for Delta expansion things and updated existing numbers.
EDIT EDIT: Added info from July 6 patch note.
So looking at how this has been announced as a full expansion, I've been looking(and I know I am not the only one) at just how much overall content is available. Not just missions alone, but also ships, races, costumes... and whats available so far is a bit underwhelming.
Since the last expansion(the Delta expansion) didn't have a new player faction, its a bit hard to compare it with that one, so gonna use the Romulan Expansion as an example.
Please note the TOS numbers are subject to change as they are still adding stuff to the game. But at the current time these are the numbers.
Unique Faction Story Arcs and Episodes
- Romulan faction had: 4 Arcs with 25 Episodes
- TOS faction got: 1 Arc with 5 Episodes
New Story Arcs shared with other factions
- Romulan: 1 Arc with 6 Episodes (not counting remade episodes)
- TOS: 2 Arcs with 5 Episodes
- Delta: 3 Arcs with 30 Missions (techically 1 Arc with 18 episodes, rest was added later)
Leaving a total number of 31 episodes from the Romulan expansion. 30 missions in the Delta expansion. And only 10 to the AoY Expansion.
And with the game coming out July 6th, leaves only 3 weekly updates to add more content, with the current trend of adding 1 mission a week to the Shared Story Arc.
Which would put the Shared Arc at 5 missions in total. And total amount of Missions added in the expansion at 10.
Meaning there is only about a third amount of missions available.
I hope I am wrong and they will be adding a lot more.
Free Faction Ships
- Romulan: 8-9* (*one ship was added a bit later)
- TOS: 1
Payed Ships from Pack
- Romulan: 10
- TOS: 12
- Delta: 9
Unique New Free Costumes
- Romulan: TONS! Too many individual parts to give a number.
- TOS: None. The few free costume parts were already ingame as a payed option. (New badges was however added)
Overall the only thing the TOS faction offers is 2 more ships in a payed pack ships. But 3 of those ships in the pack are shared with the other factions, so not even there does the TOS faction have more stuff thats unique to themself.
Anyway, please take this post in a civil manner. And post/share your thoughts.
EDIT: Added a few numbers for Delta expansion things and updated existing numbers.
EDIT EDIT: Added info from July 6 patch note.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. Almost nothing I've been working for the past few months is mentioned in this post, so I think it's fair to say that it's too early to judge this expansion.
> claudiusdk wrote: »
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> Please note the TOS numbers are subject to change as they are still adding stuff to the game.
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> I'm glad you mentioned that. Almost nothing I've been working for the past few months is mentioned in this post, so I think it's fair to say that it's too early to judge this expansion.
yeah, you got a couple more weeks to use that excuse. but come july 6th everybody will be able to count for themselves how many missions are in AOY vs how many were in LOR, and if it is significantly less then its time to start calling out the PR people for their BS promoting this as 'full expansion' and 'at least as much of a faction as romulans'.
Ummm...
The "PR People" haven't called this a "Full Expansion"...
Mr. Gecko is the one who has said that the TOS Expansion is "...at least as much...", as the LoR expansion.
With the caveat that They spent a bit of time debating about whether or not They SHOULD, call this an Expansion.
He's the one that went 'Full Monty' in his interview, also saying that the PR Guys were leaning with NOT calling it an Expansion.
So come on down off that White Horse of yours there Dudley.
Cause you just had a Dev, WHO BY THE WAY, IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE TOS EXPANSION, just about tell you outright, that there is much more 'stuffs' coming.
SMH
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or click it here as its more obvious its a link http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/PAB_sto/news/detail/9937943-star-trek-online:-agents-of-yesterday-announcement
First line: "The 50th anniversary of Star Trek is here, and I couldn’t be more excited to announce our contribution to the celebration: Agents of Yesterday, the third full expansion to Star Trek Online!"
They also call it a full expansion in on this page http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/PAB_sto/news/detail/9950863-star-trek-online:-agents-of-yesterday-packs
Both offical announcements on the news page, and not some random off-comment on the forums or 3rd party interview.
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Obviously he and Gecko are in agreement as to what They consider to be a "Full Expansion" and over ruled what the PR Dept. felt it should be called.
But yet again...
Just FOUR POSTS UP, you have a Cryptic Dev (who is actually working on the upcoming material) telling us that there is more to come.
And honestly, what the hell difference does it really make, as long as They are still going to be adding more stuff to the game, even after this new expansion hits the HOLODECK.
Goodness, I'm one of the most outspoken players around here that has been begging for more Classic Trek to be added to the game for the last six years and ya don't see me spouting off about how horrible it's going to be if it isn't equal to or more than the LoR expansion.
Get over it peoples, it's just a game and it's not going to suddenly end once this expansion goes live.
<Really SMH>
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I tried to keep my post as neutral as possible to both be respectful to devs who say that much more content is being added, and to players that are annoyed about the amount of content when they were given the impression there would be much more. As to not take any sides. (Which I still haven't.)
I apologize for any confusion and misunderstanding. And thank you for your thoughts.
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And my mini-rant wasn't specifically directed at you, even though it was your post I quoted.
Those folks who are "annoyed", kinda-sorta have jumped the gun on the "Bash The Dev's. Wagon" and need to step back and have just a bit of patience.
It's probably true that what we eventually get will be a bit minimal in nature due to the fact that there's only just so much of TOS to work with.
But jebus-creebus, lets at least wait and Actually SEE ALL of what is coming before we buy up all of @Kodachikuno's Pitchforks, Torches and Popcorn!
BTW: @kodachikuno, I expect a very large discount for my purchases from you, for the free advertising here in this and other posts of mine.
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Wait, when did Geko say that? He said that the PR people were hesitant to call the TOS a faction, I didn't see one where he said anything about it not being a full expansion.
I think the poster is extrapolating that because of the PR people being hesitant and all that it isn't a full expansion. Gecko's always said it was from everything I've seen.
Bit annoying that it is announced as full expansion publicly and officially. And then we have to search for a tiny post that says it really isn't one.
Atleast they could make it publicly known that its a mini-expansion if that really is the case.
Random Forum, Twitter, webradio/podcast, and facebook posts... aren't exactly the main place to officially announce things on. I mean, if this is the case, then I am still waiting for the Merian Class, those ENT MACO uniforms, and the race specific combadges that was hinted at a long time ago on those other places.
They were never officially announced, just hinted at by the cryptic crew that they were worked on...and then they got shared everywhere (and then people got upset when they weren't added)
Geez I really miss the times when we had more communication with the people behind the game, back when they shared these things.
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Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Else they would have had another shared story arc with other factions on thier side.
But I could add numbers for reworked expansion content when I get them for the TOS expansion.
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It's actually posts exactly like this one that keep the devs from communicating. Literally anything they say, even a post from years ago about something as minor as combadges, will come back over and over, long after that work was abandoned for whatever reason they needed to do so. Multiple devs have said as much on many occasions in interviews when asked questions about things they can't talk about.
Look at the TRIBBLE that's been generated by one sentence that Geko said in an interview. The entire basis of this thread is because he said something that the marketing people were not willing to talk about, and now we have yet another "the best expansion ever" shitstorm because he couldn't keep his mouth shut like they wanted him to.
Any difference in content between them will be argued over and you could say it already is being argued over.
Not showing everything when launching new things is all well and good for items but it generally goes one of two ways for software, okish (some issues, mostly expected or fixed quickly) or they go (watch-me-throw-this-snowball-it'll-be-funny, oh god I just dropped an avalanche onto three towns and six ski resorts) horribly.
Mostly it's because the held back stuff doesn't get the same level of testing, because they don't want spoilers or whatever the reasons are, it still means that there will be bugs or issues encountered that could have been (or should have been) found and fixed before release.
Personally, I see this, ToS arc if you will, being introduced as an alternate, (possibly better, more fun), federation tutorial done for four of the federation races you can choose from.
That's it.
As for the rest of the missions everyone can do? Another story arc to play through, probably with some nice new toys to use on our ships or characters (or throw at the bridge officers in your away team).
But okay.
I will assume you didn't mean my post exactly but points I was making in it.
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Anyway the point still stands, about that they have announced this as a Full Expansion on the front page! And they haven't taken it back, or corrected that, in any official manner.
A forum post, on page 9 in a random guys topic(which no one ever seems to be able to find and link to when they say its been said), can hardly be called an official announcement.
(And incase someone now suddenly wants the links again to where its called a "Full Expansion"... link and link, very first line in both.)
But this thread isn't about if it is a full expansion or not.
This thread is surpose to be about comparing basic numbers between this expansion and the previous one that would match it the most.
So going back on topic. If new things are announced or shown on test.
Or if people got numbers they want added, they are free to list them.
And I will continue to update this thread with each new infomation.
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
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(Or it could just be that having a Romulan as a main I don't give steaming plate of gahk how many TOS-only missions there are for the new TOS-Fed characters. I'll make a TOS captain, and I'll play them, but that's not where my heart lies.)
I like making concept characters, and I already got a concept planned out and stuff prepared for my TOS captain. ^^
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
Now, I like the idea of visiting TOS as much as the next player, but it needs to be done right with plenty of missions to keep the players HAPPY since endgame is almost non-existent and PVP is nothing but a mess.
PVP needs a MAJOR OVERHAUL. Plus getting to endgame shouldn't be a chore. It should be welcomed with open arms.
I'm ending this post before it becomes a rant.
Other than the obvious truths:
1) It's absolutely free.
2) It's hours of new content.
3) You can play every second of it without spending a dime.
Not many other MMOs can claim all of those things.
You might want to get your facts straight. That quote is nowhere near what was said, what was said is that the TOS faction is at least as much a faction as the Romulans. Nobody ever said anything about the size of the expansion other than it being "a full expansion". It's one thing to take one thing that one dev said and run with it, it's another thing to put quote marks around something that literally no dev has said and then go off as if it's fact.
As for the faction comment, one guy said it, Geko. Geko is a systems guy, and from the perspective of a systems guy, the TOS faction probably IS a full faction. It has its own dialog, it has its own UI, it has its own ships, it even has it's own transporter animation. If you asked an art team guy, he'd probably say it's a full faction as well. However, if you asked the writing team, it would likely be a different story (pun intended).
tos has (with many goodies)
rom had no specialization
tos has
rom ...
tos has the bloody past ,present ,future ,kelvin timeline and ...
Delta Rising - Delta Recruitment rewards
Agents of Yesterday - Temporal Agent Rewards
So, there is an apples to apples comparison in contrast to the apples to bananas comparison between AoY and LoR.