I really really really really really really really really really really really hope whoever said that was talkin out their TRIBBLE and it never happens.
Al Rivera. And we all know by now that what Al wants/says in STO - Al gets. Even if it's dinosaurs with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads.
Although this is probably one of only handful of things I agreed with the man over the past 5-6 years. I do want a Cardassian faction even if it has to be a Romulan style fRaction and I do believe that the Cardassians as one of the 4 major protagonist factions throughout Star Trek need to be (and for that matter needed to be since the launch) availible to play in a Star Trek MMORPG such as this one.
Frankly, a Cardassian faction and possibly getting Garak VO work from Mr. Andrew Robinson is about the only thing that can make me open my wallet and invest some cold hard cash again. You know, fandom and all that jazz.
Never got the appeal of spoonheads.... zomfg ugly ships and they were reptile romulans w/o cloak... Worse they got the depth development that Romulans SHOULD have gotten.... as for gecko well... he spends a lot of time talkin out his posterior... but unfortunately that drivel does usually make it into the game
I'd rather see a Voth mini-faction. One species, with different innate traits depending on career.
I'd rather see them combine all our current factions, the storyline tells us that we'll be united eventually anyway. So, just combine the factions and add new species such as Cardassians, Suliban etc. as playable species for that one single faction.
Yep, welcome to the human race. There are many many things that many many people don't see the appeal of, but there are still many many people that happen to like those things.
All of that said, if you don't see the appeal...so what? What does that have to do with someone who DOES see the appeal asking for something they want?
I've always wanted a Cardie faction, but thinking about why I do - beyond generally that new content on such a scale would be welcome - I think 99% of my motivation is that I want Andrew Robinson to VO Garek as a mission giver. He would give the best assignments. I suppose also the Cardassians should be fleshed out a bit, I think they deserve more of a post-Dominion story arc than some random True Way shoot-ups. But mainly Garek.
I've always wanted a Cardie faction, but thinking about why I do - beyond generally that new content on such a scale would be welcome - I think 99% of my motivation is that I want Andrew Robinson to VO Garek as a mission giver. He would give the best assignments. I suppose also the Cardassians should be fleshed out a bit, I think they deserve more of a post-Dominion story arc than some random True Way shoot-ups. But mainly Garek.
Damar and Weyoun were also awesome. Especially Weyoun.
I'd rather see a Voth mini-faction. One species, with different innate traits depending on career.
This would be sweet!
I had proposed it in some other thread but unfortunately I cannot find it anymore... but the idea was for the player character to be able to use some of the stuff we see the Voth use on the ground.
Tactical officers would get Voth spec ops -possibly a weakened variant and maybe without auto-resuscitate ability - whenever they use their Security Escort captain ability.
Engineers would get, instead of Rerouting power to shields, an ability that adds some of the mech drones that certain Mech walkers have. These could add some hit point regeneration and shield regenerations, lower values of course to keep things balanced.
Science officers could get an option to auto-resuscitate, much the same as Nelen Exil and android Boffs have. Or, if that would be too game-breaking or not interesting enough, a passive bonus to healing others or something else.
As a premium species, for lifers for example or C-store / lobi unlock, there could be Voth Strike Commanders. To avoid pay-to-win situations, these would still be the same as the other ones, so depending on career they would have one of the above-mentioned innate traits, but they'd also have one special extra trait which would require a trait slot. These traits could include things like (a weakened version of) orbital strike, nanoprobe infestation, or an option to call a Spec ops once every x minutes.
Make it such that only one of these options can be active at the same time, and make the cooldown large enough so that having these things active does present the player with a trade-off, and I think we could have an interesting mini-faction that would have some neat abilities, but which would, if done right, not be game-breaking.
If they do a Cardie faction, shouldn't don't do what they did with the Romulans.
Choosing sides seemed so wrong when they had capability to exist as a independent faction, even after the Nova.
Thats because it WAS wrong and lazy, and a hair brained scheme to try to keep red v blue mechanics that they never use anyways, and have done away with in other parts of the game. If they ever add another fraction to the game they will either have to promote it and the RR up to full faction status(which they just WONT do) or itll follow the same lame TRIBBLE setup the RR got. Which will involve it having to explain why in game, and lead it to bein called out for being little more than a reskin of the RR campaign.
If they do a Cardie faction, shouldn't don't do what they did with the Romulans.
Choosing sides seemed so wrong when they had capability to exist as a independent faction, even after the Nova.
If Cryptic weren't in a position to make the Romulans independant, then there's no hope for anyone else. The Cardassians will either be released to aid a specific faction (Federation) or they'll share the same half assed mini faction setup that the Republic has.
When the official poll for which would be the next faction was held years back, I voted for Cardassians because having played many star trek games (particulary the Starfleet Command games), I had experienced being the captain of Rommie ships and I wanted to experiance the playing the Cardassians. In all honesty I enjoyed playing the Cardassian faction in Birth of the Federation and Star Trek Armada II also.
The fact is, Cryptic simply doesn't have the staff necessary to do 3 factions justice,
Actually, that is not a fact, it is an opinion. And to be clear, it is an opinion I *SHARE* with you. But just because WE do not think they did the Romulans 'justice' does not mean everyone else shares that opinion. Believe it or not(and I admit, it is hard to believe), some people actually *LIKE* what they did with the Romulan Republic. And Cryptic obviously liked it, which is why they did it that way.
So my point is this: you are not stating a "fact", you are just stating your opinion. And while it is a completely valid opinion(that I happen to agree with), an opinion does not PROVE they should not make a 4th faction, or warrant a topic being shut down just because you don't happen to agree with it.
his opinion is supported by the "fact" that cryptic itself went on record saying they ended the KDF/Fed war so they could stop doing content for two factions.
his opinion is supported by the "fact" that cryptic itself went on record saying they ended the KDF/Fed war so they could stop doing content for two factions.
Yes, Cryptic has shown they are not interested in making faction specific content past a certain point in the story. That is correct. However, all 3 factions have faction specific content leading up to that point where the game story merges them together. So that in itself is irrelevant to whether or not Cryptic may decide to make a 4th faction, which would likely have it's own faction specific content leading up to that merging point.
his opinion is supported by the "fact" that cryptic itself went on record saying they ended the KDF/Fed war so they could stop doing content for two factions.
Yes, Cryptic has shown they are not interested in making faction specific content past a certain point in the story. That is correct. However, all 3 factions have faction specific content leading up to that point where the game story merges them together. So that in itself is irrelevant to whether or not Cryptic may decide to make a 4th faction, which would likely have it's own faction specific content leading up to that merging point.
considering how bad their writing has been since delta rising... thats just another reason to avoid adding another fraction to the game
his opinion is supported by the "fact" that cryptic itself went on record saying they ended the KDF/Fed war so they could stop doing content for two factions.
Yes, Cryptic has shown they are not interested in making faction specific content past a certain point in the story. That is correct. However, all 3 factions have faction specific content leading up to that point where the game story merges them together. So that in itself is irrelevant to whether or not Cryptic may decide to make a 4th faction, which would likely have it's own faction specific content leading up to that merging point.
considering how bad their writing has been since delta rising... thats just another reason to avoid adding another fraction to the game
You are conflating 2 separate issues. *ALL* new missions involve story writing; so unless you think that *NO* new episodes should be made due to the bad writing, that has nothing to do with whether or not a new faction should happen.
Bad writing is irrelevant to the faction discussion. ALL new missions involve story writing, so unless you think that NO new episodes should be made due to the bad writing, that has nothing to do with what we are actually talking about.
Not only that, but 'bad writing' has affected pretty much every single Star Trek series'.
ToS: 'Spock's Brain', 'The Way To Eden'.
TNG: Pretty much every single 'holodeck' episode.
DS9: 'Move Along Home'.
VOY: ...The awful Na/zi Hirogon episodes. (And holodeck episodes).
ENT: A night in sickbay. (I'm convinced this actually killed the franchise).
So poor writing is not limited to Cryptic, its pretty much part of Trek 'law',
As long as it entertains 'overall' is what is important, and I think the game does that.
When the official poll for which would be the next faction was held years back, I voted for Cardassians because having played many star trek games (particulary the Starfleet Command games), I had experienced being the captain of Rommie ships and I wanted to experiance the playing the Cardassians. In all honesty I enjoyed playing the Cardassian faction in Birth of the Federation and Star Trek Armada II also.
Hunh, weird, never did figure out how to use the BotF Cardies in a way that didn't involve being a totalitarian despot. I liked the Feds, Romulans and Ferengi more.
his opinion is supported by the "fact" that cryptic itself went on record saying they ended the KDF/Fed war so they could stop doing content for two factions.
Yes, Cryptic has shown they are not interested in making faction specific content past a certain point in the story. That is correct. However, all 3 factions have faction specific content leading up to that point where the game story merges them together. So that in itself is irrelevant to whether or not Cryptic may decide to make a 4th faction, which would likely have it's own faction specific content leading up to that merging point.
considering how bad their writing has been since delta rising... thats just another reason to avoid adding another fraction to the game
You are conflating 2 separate issues. *ALL* new missions involve story writing; so unless you think that *NO* new episodes should be made due to the bad writing, that has nothing to do with whether or not a new faction should happen.
well until they get writers that dont make terrible stories... yeah thats pretty much what I was goin for :P Yes Midnight was great, and Sunrise was pretty good, but outside of those two the writing could have been done better by SyFy's hacks imo and they've just set new standards for authors managing to get paid for cr ap... The blog stories have been better written.
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really? cra p is censored? someone really needs to lay off whatever they're smokin while adding things to the censor
Dominion won't happen because pretty much every ship is either promo (Holy Bugship) or Lockbox (Dread Carrier and escort carrier). Cardassian won't happen because their iconic ship (Galor) was in the FIRST lockbox. They shot themselves in the foot, and they admitted that they did in the past.
Actually they've got the tech to make it so that any Cardassian that opens a Cardassian lockbox could just get a different ship *points at the temporal science ships*
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
Don't count on getting one anytime soon or in the next 2 years. Hell they still need to get Romulan's sorted out before thinking about a new race or sub-faction.
They're on record saying the split loyalty / half faction thing with limited content is suboptimal compared to what would be ideal, which is three full factions. Both limitations in the engine and too few staff to handle additional content creation (and in making engine rewrites to accommodate additional full factions) are an issue preventing it from happening.
I have absolutely *NEVER* heard them blame the game engine as a cause for lack of faction content or something that would prevent them from adding future factions. I'm going to have to ask for a link. However, to be honest, I don't think there is any link... because I don't believe they actually said that.
Wait, what? Let me get this straight. A species that made 99% of its on screen appearances in only ONE of the Trek series and ZERO of the films, the vast majority of that as antagonists, is "one of the major protagonist factions throughout Star Trek"? Freaking Talaxians have as much protagonist screen time as Cardassians do, that is one character in one series that's it. What the hell are you smoking to think they're so important?
Yes, if you take a look into any of the many nice Star Trek maps of the galaxy out there - you'll notice that the Cardassian Union holds a vast region of space making it one of the 4 main factions/empires in known space by size alone, roughly on pair with the Romulan Star Empire and the Klingon Empire. No other faction in known space comes even near the main 4 and has the potential to be a "main player" which would grant a basis for a faction in STO. The Cardassians also have more time on air than the Romulans, just FYI.
The Cardassian species and civilization has been the focal point of an entire Star Trek series, with thorough insight into their culture, civilization, politics, religion, technology, social dynamics, etc. In addition DS9 had thoroughly developed multiple different characters from the species, at least 2 of which were amongst the main protagonist of that show that lasted for 7 seasons. The species were also present in couple of TNG episodes and couple of Voyager episodes.
If you want to equate the development of the Cardassians as species with a single Talaxian civilian/cook that lived and traveled aboard a Federation ship - then you're the one who has been smoking the stuff, my man.
Never got the appeal of spoonheads.... zomfg ugly ships and they were reptile romulans w/o cloak... Worse they got the depth development that Romulans SHOULD have gotten....
This I agree with you on completely.
Yeah, that figures. You just need to remember that your personal bias does in no possible way constitute a fact.
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Al Rivera. And we all know by now that what Al wants/says in STO - Al gets. Even if it's dinosaurs with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads.
Although this is probably one of only handful of things I agreed with the man over the past 5-6 years. I do want a Cardassian faction even if it has to be a Romulan style fRaction and I do believe that the Cardassians as one of the 4 major protagonist factions throughout Star Trek need to be (and for that matter needed to be since the launch) availible to play in a Star Trek MMORPG such as this one.
Frankly, a Cardassian faction and possibly getting Garak VO work from Mr. Andrew Robinson is about the only thing that can make me open my wallet and invest some cold hard cash again. You know, fandom and all that jazz.
I'd rather see them combine all our current factions, the storyline tells us that we'll be united eventually anyway. So, just combine the factions and add new species such as Cardassians, Suliban etc. as playable species for that one single faction.
I never did either.
Yep, welcome to the human race. There are many many things that many many people don't see the appeal of, but there are still many many people that happen to like those things.
All of that said, if you don't see the appeal...so what? What does that have to do with someone who DOES see the appeal asking for something they want?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
My character Tsin'xing
But.....but.....how do you eat soup?
This would be sweet!
I had proposed it in some other thread but unfortunately I cannot find it anymore... but the idea was for the player character to be able to use some of the stuff we see the Voth use on the ground.
Tactical officers would get Voth spec ops -possibly a weakened variant and maybe without auto-resuscitate ability - whenever they use their Security Escort captain ability.
Engineers would get, instead of Rerouting power to shields, an ability that adds some of the mech drones that certain Mech walkers have. These could add some hit point regeneration and shield regenerations, lower values of course to keep things balanced.
Science officers could get an option to auto-resuscitate, much the same as Nelen Exil and android Boffs have. Or, if that would be too game-breaking or not interesting enough, a passive bonus to healing others or something else.
As a premium species, for lifers for example or C-store / lobi unlock, there could be Voth Strike Commanders. To avoid pay-to-win situations, these would still be the same as the other ones, so depending on career they would have one of the above-mentioned innate traits, but they'd also have one special extra trait which would require a trait slot. These traits could include things like (a weakened version of) orbital strike, nanoprobe infestation, or an option to call a Spec ops once every x minutes.
Make it such that only one of these options can be active at the same time, and make the cooldown large enough so that having these things active does present the player with a trade-off, and I think we could have an interesting mini-faction that would have some neat abilities, but which would, if done right, not be game-breaking.
ewww Cardashians...I want the Borg first.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Thats because it WAS wrong and lazy, and a hair brained scheme to try to keep red v blue mechanics that they never use anyways, and have done away with in other parts of the game. If they ever add another fraction to the game they will either have to promote it and the RR up to full faction status(which they just WONT do) or itll follow the same lame TRIBBLE setup the RR got. Which will involve it having to explain why in game, and lead it to bein called out for being little more than a reskin of the RR campaign.
It sucks, but that's the way it's going to be.
Thank you for your honesty
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Actually, that is not a fact, it is an opinion. And to be clear, it is an opinion I *SHARE* with you. But just because WE do not think they did the Romulans 'justice' does not mean everyone else shares that opinion. Believe it or not(and I admit, it is hard to believe), some people actually *LIKE* what they did with the Romulan Republic. And Cryptic obviously liked it, which is why they did it that way.
So my point is this: you are not stating a "fact", you are just stating your opinion. And while it is a completely valid opinion(that I happen to agree with), an opinion does not PROVE they should not make a 4th faction, or warrant a topic being shut down just because you don't happen to agree with it.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yes, Cryptic has shown they are not interested in making faction specific content past a certain point in the story. That is correct. However, all 3 factions have faction specific content leading up to that point where the game story merges them together. So that in itself is irrelevant to whether or not Cryptic may decide to make a 4th faction, which would likely have it's own faction specific content leading up to that merging point.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
considering how bad their writing has been since delta rising... thats just another reason to avoid adding another fraction to the game
You are conflating 2 separate issues. *ALL* new missions involve story writing; so unless you think that *NO* new episodes should be made due to the bad writing, that has nothing to do with whether or not a new faction should happen.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Not only that, but 'bad writing' has affected pretty much every single Star Trek series'.
ToS: 'Spock's Brain', 'The Way To Eden'.
TNG: Pretty much every single 'holodeck' episode.
DS9: 'Move Along Home'.
VOY: ...The awful Na/zi Hirogon episodes. (And holodeck episodes).
ENT: A night in sickbay. (I'm convinced this actually killed the franchise).
So poor writing is not limited to Cryptic, its pretty much part of Trek 'law',
As long as it entertains 'overall' is what is important, and I think the game does that.
My character Tsin'xing
well until they get writers that dont make terrible stories... yeah thats pretty much what I was goin for :P Yes Midnight was great, and Sunrise was pretty good, but outside of those two the writing could have been done better by SyFy's hacks imo and they've just set new standards for authors managing to get paid for cr ap... The blog stories have been better written.
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really? cra p is censored? someone really needs to lay off whatever they're smokin while adding things to the censor
Actually they've got the tech to make it so that any Cardassian that opens a Cardassian lockbox could just get a different ship *points at the temporal science ships*
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
I have absolutely *NEVER* heard them blame the game engine as a cause for lack of faction content or something that would prevent them from adding future factions. I'm going to have to ask for a link. However, to be honest, I don't think there is any link... because I don't believe they actually said that.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yes, if you take a look into any of the many nice Star Trek maps of the galaxy out there - you'll notice that the Cardassian Union holds a vast region of space making it one of the 4 main factions/empires in known space by size alone, roughly on pair with the Romulan Star Empire and the Klingon Empire. No other faction in known space comes even near the main 4 and has the potential to be a "main player" which would grant a basis for a faction in STO. The Cardassians also have more time on air than the Romulans, just FYI.
The Cardassian species and civilization has been the focal point of an entire Star Trek series, with thorough insight into their culture, civilization, politics, religion, technology, social dynamics, etc. In addition DS9 had thoroughly developed multiple different characters from the species, at least 2 of which were amongst the main protagonist of that show that lasted for 7 seasons. The species were also present in couple of TNG episodes and couple of Voyager episodes.
If you want to equate the development of the Cardassians as species with a single Talaxian civilian/cook that lived and traveled aboard a Federation ship - then you're the one who has been smoking the stuff, my man.
Yeah, that figures.