Oh NO. The design looks so horrible. Is there time to update/change or give to community for some input or too late? I know there's lots of work behind it but the icons are just awful and boring....
Speaking of which, multi-tab layout would also make it more difficult to compare available choices at a glance.... Now you can click on a skill, read what it does, click on another... With this one it would be... "Err, what this thing I saw two tabs ago did again?"
what multitab... that's the entire thing, the sci stuff is under the sci banner, the tac under the tac...
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
Currently -
spendable : max possible
space = 300,000 : 630,000, ratio = 0.47619...
ground = 100,000 : 180,000 ratio = 0.55555...
New -
spendable : max possible
space = 46 : 90 ratio = 0.51111....
ground = 10 : 20 ratio = 0.5
As I don't have the information available, beyond being able to draw out that a 3 node skill has gained the equivalent of an extra point at the part where a extra point would be most beneficial.
Yeah, personally spec into ground rather heavily, I think some of my chars are at max. Not sure I like the idea of only being able to have half the ground skills.
Wait. This seems a lot like the ORIGINAL Skill Tree just aligned vertically rather than horizontally. It might not be that way in practice, but it does give me that impression.
Nah, even the original skill tree had 0-9 in each skill. Also, it had stupid things like separate skills for the various energy weapon types...
Not to mention ship types, lol. Can you imagine the gigantic chaos if they would still do that ?
Well there is now a skill for boosting carrier pets sooo....
Okay, so currently I'm skilled pretty effectively in particle gens, gravitons, flow caps, and with some shuffling of equipment via layouts, I can bring different skills and abilities and still be very effective.
What I wanna know now is: Is this revamp gonna take away some of my current effectiveness, in one or more of my skills only to make me grind myself back again in them (perhaps maybe with a slight boost to sweeten the deal for motivational purposes)?
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
Also, under the current system you can choose to partly fill some skills. It looks like the new system will have you either buy or not buy something. Meaning less flexibility. All in all, this doesn't seem to benefit those of us who specifically created new toons to try different builds and have specialised characters. To be honest, I think the current skills system is fine. I don't think the new system will actually be an improvement
I was also hoping the 3 blocks in the new gui would be similar to the green/yellow/red system [or each block has a 1,2,3 level] (I'm guessing a minority of the few players takes 1 pip)
So: Blocks = Pips/Levels or Blocks = something else and what
Also i think it was asked, if Blocks = Pips/Levels diminishing returns (50/80/99% effective) or Even (33/66/99% effective)
Any requirement of certain number of blocks used captain tier? [guessing yes], is the number of leftover blocks significant (25%, 33%, 50% "free" choice)
We're proud to announce our new Skill System Revamp! We have set out to create a more streamlined experience that makes gaining levels and skills more enjoyable and impactful.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
Hmm. Since all my toons are maxed-out for ground, I hope they're still going to be equally effective once the dust settles. I shall be mildly cross if they're not.
Never really saw the point of "Threat Control", mind. If I actually want an enemy's full attention (and there are legitimate reasons why I might), shooting at them with a stonking huge ray gun generally seems to do the trick.
Most of this sounds good. It sounds like the only place any real choices are lost are in ground, and that may be a good thing.
I don't like the idea of rolling control and control resistance into the same skill (likewise drain), just because on a non-sci setup it would feel like spending extra on aspects I have no intention of using just because I need to shore up defenses. And doing a sci build would feel a bit less special if everyone else is running those same skills.
It seems like it would be a good idea for the more mundane Traits to be scrapped and rolled into skills/unlocks.
To my mind one of the big failing of the current system is requiring a respec token to change anything. Just allowing small changes to be made with EC would help quite a lot with mitigating its complexity and inscrutablity. Would that be addressed in these changes?
I'm a very anal min/maxer. I make captains with very specific skill builds dedicated to specific ships with specific gear. How thoroughly is this going to mess me up?
On a scale between 1 and 100, how big a monkey wrench are you throwing at me? 1 being something a Lego person would use, and 100 being the jaws of life.
... and what if I don't want 'threat control' as defined under the current system, am I now trapped into giving up some of the other skills that are being rolled into the new skill ?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
Items, Traits, Set Bonuses, etc... are all being updated to reflect the new Skills. It may not be a 1:1 translation in all cases, but you won't get 'nothing' out of an item that is currently giving you 'something.'
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Possible some buffs to underused ? Does this mean items like fleet engineering consoles with structural integrity bonus will be changed to just say how much a base % hp + it will be ?
I also assume skill buffs from doffs and abilities wording will change.
@borticuscryptic I also have another question regarding flow caps. currently I have maxed them out on my tactical toon as they benefit the way i like to play and compliment certain abilities. How will these new changes effect my ability to access that effect? Will I as a tactical captain still retain access or similar access to the skill like I have now?
I am wondering the same thing. My guess is that FAW/Leech boats with tactical officers are going bye bye. Which sucks for all the folks that sank ALOT of resources into building them.
I don't like this at all, and I'm pretty certain i WILL loose a lot on this revamp, especially as someone who flies a science ship.
It might make things simpler, but this new system will seriously harm our ability to "fine-tune" and specialize. I just don't see how consolidation with limited choice can be any other way.
Also, please drop the need for respec tokens. You already did it for the Trait system. In addition you could also do it like you did with loadouts, have a basic 1-2 Spec slots which you can play around freely with to your hearts content, and then pay for more slots if you want or need.
Because the current respec system is very very bad and does not encourage people to leave their comfort zone once they found it, as it is simply too expensive.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
Also, please drop the need for respec tokens. You already did it for the Trait system. In addition you could also do it like you did with loadouts, have a basic 1-2 Spec slots which you can play around freely with to your hearts content, and then pay for more slots if you want or need.
Because the current respec system is very very bad and does not encourage people to leave their comfort zone once they found it, as it is simply too expensive.
I second this one, but doubt it would ever happen...
I think what was meant wasn't boff abilities as such, but training manual crafting. It is currently tied into the skill system, and it's not quite obvious how it will translate.
Ah, ok. It's mentioned briefly in the Dev Blog that unlocking new Training Manuals will be done via the Unlock Paths.
There will be some minor alterations as to which Training Manuals you can earn access to, but any that have been lost during this revamp (I think it's like 1-2, max) will be moved to the Training Manual Vendor at major social hubs.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Cautiously optimistic about this. The current system is arcane and difficult to get your head around if you haven't already built a couple toons or have Zone chat talking you through it. A system where no one ever puts points into certain skills (does anyone take Batteries or Threat Control?). I hope this leads to some more flexibility in what builds are considered viable, as well as giving players more ways to set their toons apart.
I haven't answered because it opens a can of worms as to "can I do this + this in the new system?" questions, which are potentially darn-near-infinite. I'm going to let the system speak for itself in this regard, once you have access to it on Tribble.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Currently -
spendable : max possible
space = 300,000 : 630,000, ratio = 0.47619...
ground = 100,000 : 180,000 ratio = 0.55555...
New -
spendable : max possible
space = 46 : 90 ratio = 0.51111....
ground = 10 : 20 ratio = 0.5
As I don't have the information available, beyond being able to draw out that a 3 node skill has gained the equivalent of an extra point at the part where a extra point would be most beneficial.
Yeah, personally spec into ground rather heavily, I think some of my chars are at max. Not sure I like the idea of only being able to have half the ground skills.
That's not true; you will have under the new system equivalent to 90% of the old skill rate if you specced fully into ground. It is a loss, but it is not going to be half the potential available.
And it may well be revised, the system isn't even on Tribble yet... In fact, it probably will be, it represents a huge buff to people who specced into space as the maximum because they gain 24,000 points in Ground and 22,000 in space.
I'd like to know a bit more about Coordination Protocols
Is this strictly for hangar pets, or will this also grant bonuses to pets that we can "summon"? I'm thinking separated saucers and the Aquarius (and its kdf counterpart) mostly.
"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
I'd like to know a bit more about Coordination Protocols
Is this strictly for hangar pets, or will this also grant bonuses to pets that we can "summon"? I'm thinking separated saucers and the Aquarius (and its kdf counterpart) mostly.
Just hangar pets.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
At first glance, this actually looks pretty awesome. The closest thing to it I'm familiar with is Skyrim's skill trees, so the new clarity & streamlining being implemented makes the STO skill tree much more appealing than it's current incarnation (except there's no loophole for perma-leveling to get all the specs, which is fine -- different strokes for different games)
Am I also correct in assuming this will potentially slim down the massive DPS gap a bit? I know DPSers will scream bloody murder if yes, but it would have a big silver lining in breathing a little life back into the PVP end of the game.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
My character Tsin'xing
What I wanna know now is: Is this revamp gonna take away some of my current effectiveness, in one or more of my skills only to make me grind myself back again in them (perhaps maybe with a slight boost to sweeten the deal for motivational purposes)?
That one was answered. Instead of just increasing threat, It's a clicky like the one cruisers have now: it can either increase or decrease threat.
I'm completely unfamiliar with that clickey. I've never invested any skill into threat control, ever, on any of my toons. I don't do cruisers.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I was also hoping the 3 blocks in the new gui would be similar to the green/yellow/red system [or each block has a 1,2,3 level] (I'm guessing a minority of the few players takes 1 pip)
So: Blocks = Pips/Levels or Blocks = something else and what
Also i think it was asked, if Blocks = Pips/Levels diminishing returns (50/80/99% effective) or Even (33/66/99% effective)
Any requirement of certain number of blocks used captain tier? [guessing yes], is the number of leftover blocks significant (25%, 33%, 50% "free" choice)
Called it. Suggested it. Got it.
Where is my hero cookie?
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Ability:_Attract_Fire
TL;DR: You click it and you look scarier to the mobs, you click it again, and you're no longer so scary.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Wow some friend you are!
Well, I prefer to do sci things with my tacs and engies. Being a designated target and healing friends isn't in my engies wheelhouse.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Never really saw the point of "Threat Control", mind. If I actually want an enemy's full attention (and there are legitimate reasons why I might), shooting at them with a stonking huge ray gun generally seems to do the trick.
I don't like the idea of rolling control and control resistance into the same skill (likewise drain), just because on a non-sci setup it would feel like spending extra on aspects I have no intention of using just because I need to shore up defenses. And doing a sci build would feel a bit less special if everyone else is running those same skills.
It seems like it would be a good idea for the more mundane Traits to be scrapped and rolled into skills/unlocks.
To my mind one of the big failing of the current system is requiring a respec token to change anything. Just allowing small changes to be made with EC would help quite a lot with mitigating its complexity and inscrutablity. Would that be addressed in these changes?
On a scale between 1 and 100, how big a monkey wrench are you throwing at me? 1 being something a Lego person would use, and 100 being the jaws of life.
My character Tsin'xing
Possible some buffs to underused ? Does this mean items like fleet engineering consoles with structural integrity bonus will be changed to just say how much a base % hp + it will be ?
I also assume skill buffs from doffs and abilities wording will change.
Would really love an answer to this, too.
It might make things simpler, but this new system will seriously harm our ability to "fine-tune" and specialize. I just don't see how consolidation with limited choice can be any other way.
Also, please drop the need for respec tokens. You already did it for the Trait system. In addition you could also do it like you did with loadouts, have a basic 1-2 Spec slots which you can play around freely with to your hearts content, and then pay for more slots if you want or need.
Because the current respec system is very very bad and does not encourage people to leave their comfort zone once they found it, as it is simply too expensive.
I second this one, but doubt it would ever happen...
Ah, ok. It's mentioned briefly in the Dev Blog that unlocking new Training Manuals will be done via the Unlock Paths.
There will be some minor alterations as to which Training Manuals you can earn access to, but any that have been lost during this revamp (I think it's like 1-2, max) will be moved to the Training Manual Vendor at major social hubs.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I haven't answered because it opens a can of worms as to "can I do this + this in the new system?" questions, which are potentially darn-near-infinite. I'm going to let the system speak for itself in this regard, once you have access to it on Tribble.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
That's not true; you will have under the new system equivalent to 90% of the old skill rate if you specced fully into ground. It is a loss, but it is not going to be half the potential available.
And it may well be revised, the system isn't even on Tribble yet... In fact, it probably will be, it represents a huge buff to people who specced into space as the maximum because they gain 24,000 points in Ground and 22,000 in space.
Is this strictly for hangar pets, or will this also grant bonuses to pets that we can "summon"? I'm thinking separated saucers and the Aquarius (and its kdf counterpart) mostly.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Just hangar pets.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Am I also correct in assuming this will potentially slim down the massive DPS gap a bit? I know DPSers will scream bloody murder if yes, but it would have a big silver lining in breathing a little life back into the PVP end of the game.