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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,610 Community Moderator
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    I think we had this conversation before, but...other MMO's aren't knocked down this often. So, why cite the Pentagon when we can just cite other MMO's that are don't suffer as badly when they are attacked? Like you pointed out last time, it has something to do with having multiple server clusters, right?

    The fact remains that the nature of the attack makes it hard to combat in the first place. Yes multiple locations mean its harder to take down, but still...
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • tfcivtfciv Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    The best way to defend against a DDoS attack is to simply have more bandwidth than the attacker could ever generate, in which case the attack does nil. Not always possible.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    I think we had this conversation before, but...other MMO's aren't knocked down this often. So, why cite the Pentagon when we can just cite other MMO's that are don't suffer as badly when they are attacked? Like you pointed out last time, it has something to do with having multiple server clusters, right?

    The fact remains that the nature of the attack makes it hard to combat in the first place. Yes multiple locations mean its harder to take down, but still...

    Right right. But the point is, other companies *have* done things to make this harder to do. Cryptic, apparently, hasn't. So you can't really argue that there is nothing they can do when others have done more.

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  • captainpugwash1captainpugwash1 Member Posts: 908 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    UK has had banks & ISP attacked in the past 4 months.

  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    I think we had this conversation before, but...other MMO's aren't knocked down this often. So, why cite the Pentagon when we can just cite other MMO's that are don't suffer as badly when they are attacked? Like you pointed out last time, it has something to do with having multiple server clusters, right?

    The fact remains that the nature of the attack makes it hard to combat in the first place. Yes multiple locations mean its harder to take down, but still...

    Right right. But the point is, other companies *have* done things to make this harder to do. Cryptic, apparently, hasn't. So you can't really argue that there is nothing they can do when others have done more.

    As I recall, it's been pointed out several times now--at least--that Cryptic simply does not have the resources the other big-name MMO companies do. You can hardly compare them with Blizzard or EA in that regard.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    I think we had this conversation before, but...other MMO's aren't knocked down this often. So, why cite the Pentagon when we can just cite other MMO's that are don't suffer as badly when they are attacked? Like you pointed out last time, it has something to do with having multiple server clusters, right?

    The fact remains that the nature of the attack makes it hard to combat in the first place. Yes multiple locations mean its harder to take down, but still...

    Right right. But the point is, other companies *have* done things to make this harder to do. Cryptic, apparently, hasn't. So you can't really argue that there is nothing they can do when others have done more.

    As I recall, it's been pointed out several times now--at least--that Cryptic simply does not have the resources the other big-name MMO companies do. You can hardly compare them with Blizzard or EA in that regard.

    I believe Cryptic was purchased by a pretty huge company. So we really don't know how much resources could be brought to bear if PW actually decided to do it.

    The-Grand-Nagus
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  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    UK has had banks & ISP attacked in the past 4 months.

    quite a lot of these are done by groups and even when an individule manages to breach these step are puti n place to reduce these attacks.
    hell look at playstation
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,610 Community Moderator
    Right right. But the point is, other companies *have* done things to make this harder to do. Cryptic, apparently, hasn't. So you can't really argue that there is nothing they can do when others have done more.

    Actually... I can. Cryptic isn't as big as some other companies, so they have fewer resources. Blizzard, for example, has LOTS of resources to counter this sort of thing. So its not exactly fair to assume everyone has the same amount of resources available to them.

    Hypothetical situation: if I was to DDoS you, would you have the same resources as a large company?
    Answer: No.

    Similar situation here. Cryptic doesn't have the same resources available. They do what they can with what they got. Over time they may get access to those resources as they become more successful.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Right right. But the point is, other companies *have* done things to make this harder to do. Cryptic, apparently, hasn't. So you can't really argue that there is nothing they can do when others have done more.

    Actually... I can. Cryptic isn't as big as some other companies, so they have fewer resources. Blizzard, for example, has LOTS of resources to counter this sort of thing. So its not exactly fair to assume everyone has the same amount of resources available to them.

    Hypothetical situation: if I was to DDoS you, would you have the same resources as a large company?
    Answer: No.

    Similar situation here. Cryptic doesn't have the same resources available. They do what they can with what they got. Over time they may get access to those resources as they become more successful.

    I'm just glad you have moved beyond your "there is nothing anyone can do against a DDOS attack" argument from last week. At least you are making progress in the right direction now.

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  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,553 Arc User
    This sucks. It makes the whole game less fun when this happens.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,610 Community Moderator
    There still isn't much anyone can do to stop it.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    FYI all:
    Hey everyone! Just a few notes.

    Yes, we are aware. It's complicated and very involved. That being said this is something we are taking very, very seriously.

    We won't comment on any details of our security operations in response to this as to do so would potentially compromise security measures taken/taking.

    I am reiterating the necessity of following the Community Rules and Policies. If you begin to flame or threaten others in this thread, this is highly inappropriate.


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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    There still isn't much anyone can do to stop it.

    Like I said, at least you've budged a little from your extreme position that there was nothing anyone could do. I'll take any progress I can get :D

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    when is it time to get compensation... oh wait... im a lifetimer... fudge... *cackle*
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    Will be back up soon. Last time was not long at all, if hes "stepping up his game" this time it will take them a few mins more.

    The little childs game wont last long.
  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ardenwolfe wrote: »
    I really like this game, but my God. Every day something is TRIBBLE up. Make me realize how well another MMO has their stuff together.

    Not their fault directly - DDoS attack. Although they don't seem to have put anything in place to counter it either (especially considering the loser who is doing it was boasting about doing so), so...

    how come WOW manages to overcome the ddos idiots and PW can't? oh wait, PW don't wanna get surplus servers and "waste" money, instead they think its cool to waste our time... without any hesitation
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ardenwolfe wrote: »
    I really like this game, but my God. Every day something is TRIBBLE up. Make me realize how well another MMO has their stuff together.

    Not their fault directly - DDoS attack. Although they don't seem to have put anything in place to counter it either (especially considering the loser who is doing it was boasting about doing so), so...

    how come WOW manages to overcome the ddos idiots and PW can't? oh wait, PW don't wanna get surplus servers and "waste" money, instead they think its cool to waste our time... without any hesitation

    Wow doesnt "overcome" them, they still suffer, we are at near 1 hour now, wow has suffered worse.
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ardenwolfe wrote: »
    I really like this game, but my God. Every day something is TRIBBLE up. Make me realize how well another MMO has their stuff together.

    Not their fault directly - DDoS attack. Although they don't seem to have put anything in place to counter it either (especially considering the loser who is doing it was boasting about doing so), so...

    how come WOW manages to overcome the ddos idiots and PW can't? oh wait, PW don't wanna get surplus servers and "waste" money, instead they think its cool to waste our time... without any hesitation

    WoW is also one heck of a lot bigger, if I'm not mistaken. Bigger than STO itself, anyway. Size matters here.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,610 Community Moderator
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ardenwolfe wrote: »
    I really like this game, but my God. Every day something is TRIBBLE up. Make me realize how well another MMO has their stuff together.

    Not their fault directly - DDoS attack. Although they don't seem to have put anything in place to counter it either (especially considering the loser who is doing it was boasting about doing so), so...

    how come WOW manages to overcome the ddos idiots and PW can't? oh wait, PW don't wanna get surplus servers and "waste" money, instead they think its cool to waste our time... without any hesitation

    WoW is run by Blizzard, a LARGE company with LOTS of resources. Neverwinter and STO are run by Cryptic, which is no where near as big. PW just happens to be the company who owns Cryptic.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ardenwolfe wrote: »
    I really like this game, but my God. Every day something is TRIBBLE up. Make me realize how well another MMO has their stuff together.

    Not their fault directly - DDoS attack. Although they don't seem to have put anything in place to counter it either (especially considering the loser who is doing it was boasting about doing so), so...

    how come WOW manages to overcome the ddos idiots and PW can't? oh wait, PW don't wanna get surplus servers and "waste" money, instead they think its cool to waste our time... without any hesitation

    WoW is run by Blizzard, a LARGE company with LOTS of resources. Neverwinter and STO are run by Cryptic, which is no where near as big. PW just happens to be the company who owns Cryptic.

    SWTOR to my knowledge hasn't had an attack like this and they are about the same size.
    of course bioware are owned by EA which is a large company but also hated by many so im surprised its not attacked more often.
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  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,610 Community Moderator
    They may hate EA, but I think Bioware is loved for not skimping out on story. *shrug*
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    *obligitory complaint post*
  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me
  • thomas101662thomas101662 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.

  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    Patience IS NOT one of my characteristics! It's been a not very good week at work. I was hoping to spend some quality time unwinding for a bit in STO. I can see that once again, this is not possible due to circumstances which seem to be beyond anyone's control.

    It is really frustrating. I don't want to threaten or harm anyone, but dammit, Man! Go get a life! I have a spare if you'd like to borrow it.
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
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