Hallelujah! The KDF ships finally get fleet level shields the BortasQu's have always been missing. And they also get some more manoeuvrability: 6,5 instead of 5,5. Damn, I almost feel like getting them asap just for that.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
On a more serious note: Can the T5 flagship set be used on the T6 flagships?
Indeed! You can use the T5 Odyssey consoles on the T6 variants. Same is true for Bortasqu' and Scimitar variants. Note that the 3 new consoles found on the T6 variants are in their own separate set.
Phil “Gorngonzolla” Zeleski
Cryptic Studios
Lead Systems Designer
In that case I have to ask why the consoles from the T6 versions don't include to clicky powers of the T5 versions? I'm not going to take up 7 out of 11 console slots just to run both sets. If I'm flying an Odyssey I want saucer separation. I actually find the T5 Bort console set useful, and while I don't have the T5 Scimitars what sane Scimitar pilot that has access to both the T5 and T6 versions is going to give up their OP T5 console set?
I want the Fed and KDF ships (the Rom ones I can go either way with, but I'm happy with my current setups on my Rom characters), the Gorkon in particular looks like the real winner out of the nine, and I want the sci trait for my Fed and KDF sci's real bad. But having to choose between the running the T5 or the T6 console sets takes this from a Day 1 Megapack purchase to a buy it down the road during a better ship sale.
This is always the decision we're faced with when we're looking at putting equipment sets on a ship. Do we replace one with the other, or throw out other items so we can slot both?
Doubling up on console powers, as you're suggesting, is definitely OP and removes the balance decision of what to slot and what to do without. So I'm glad they didn't do that.
What I'm wondering, though, is how the ships will perform with only one set or the other and not both? Do you end up seriously gimping yourself if you don't equip both sets? In the unlikely event that I decided to throw in the towel and buy the Fed Flagship bundle, I worry that not equipping pieces from the T5 set (which I don't have and won't buy) would automatically gimp me in terms of performance. Saucer sep is a particularly good example.
Other than my pleasure for finally buffing the KDF flagships, I'm sad to note the look of the KDF and Romulan versions is quite a disappointment. While I admit there's probably little possibility in making something nice with the oversized Scimitar as basis (I take it you won't ever fix it being 30% oversize), I'm disheartened by the continued weirdness of KDF designs. They just don't look finished (again, like the CBC).
Statwise, it's nice to note the Tac variants get lower rank boffs than the Sci and Eng ones (two Lt. instead of a Lt.Comm. and an Ensign).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I have a question about the Tier 6 Romulan Flagships, will we finally be allowed to choose an alternative to Thalaron Pulse considering thalaron weaponry is outlawed and a crime against all sentient species? Something like a massive shotgun plasma lance blast?
Do the new Odysseys still get their advanced quantum slipstream drive? It would suck if they lost that. It was something unique to the class and gave an actual in universe lore explanation for the dual pylons connecting to the saucer. And its kind of silly for the flagship to regress into slower warp capabilities. And why does the t5 tac oddy have +5 more weapon power? T6s lose weapon power?
This is always the decision we're faced with when we're looking at putting equipment sets on a ship. Do we replace one with the other, or throw out other items so we can slot both?
Doubling up on console powers, as you're suggesting, is definitely OP and removes the balance decision of what to slot and what to do without. So I'm glad they didn't do that.
What I'm wondering, though, is how the ships will perform with only one set or the other and not both? Do you end up seriously gimping yourself if you don't equip both sets? In the unlikely event that I decided to throw in the towel and buy the Fed Flagship bundle, I worry that not equipping pieces from the T5 set (which I don't have and won't buy) would automatically gimp me in terms of performance. Saucer sep is a particularly good example.
I'm not opposed to being forced to choose. Thinking back I probably should have used the vet reward destroyers as an example. There the T6 console is a upgraded version of the T5 and I'm really just wondering why the T6 flagship consoles weren't given the same treatment. Really all I want a T6 flagships that have improved versions of the powers I've come to associate with the flagships.
Anyway I'm sure this conversation will come up again when the T6 Vesta pack is eventually released.
So the Flagships will have the same treatment as the Command Battlecruisers had over the 4th console. I smell a rage fest coming soon.
To be frank I'm one of those guys who have the Command Battlecruiser Set but missing the last console. It was bad because we never knew that the Samsar was needed for the 4th console. Which is why for one is disappointed and kinda annoyed when they announced there won't be another way to earn the ship. Well for now.
But to be honest on the Flagship's case I for one don't think the 4th console is something you can live without. technically the 4th console from the Krenim ship is already good on it's own but as for being part the bundle it's a So-so.
I do not know if Cryptic made the 4th console ability this way as a safer way of reducing the rage some will make out of it, but the 4th ability isn't as ground breaking as the Command Battlecruisers, which actually does A LOT for the ship.
For those who haven't experience having the 3 consoles for the CBC's (Command Battlcruisers) or may think that the other 2 consoles are a waste then as someone who actually didn't the bundle at first and just bought the Presidio 1st because I listened to people saying the other 2 consoles useless I would say they are not. After much contemplation I bought the other 2 and never saw such an improvement on a ship after just adding those 2 consoles. What more if there is the 4th who actually gives a very significant boost to the CBC's repertoire. Hence you can't really blame CBC owners like myself for being disappointed about their previous announcement of "Exclusivity".
Anyway as I said this time I think they went on a safer side with the T6 Flagships since the 4th console's ability isn't that much ground breaking IMHO not like that of the CBC's. Also if one thinks about it the ability of this ships to use the consoles of their T5 versions is in my opinion much better than the 4th console.
My only niche about this is the fact that I think the Rom's still got the better deal on this one. The builds with the new T6 Scimmy would be great and in fact in IMO would be even better now. But the balance is still tweaked on the Rom side. Seriously to those who keep saying Rom's are not loved and the Feds are the only one loved should analyze things again.
Rom's have been loved since they launch the race. STO->DPS Game->Rom's King of DPS. Singularity Powers. Stackable SRO's. I rest my case here.
They should really have given a bit more love for the KDF from what they did on the T5 Flagship. I think their Flagship deserve an ability of the Raptor ship. The Bonus Damage. This would make them on par with the scimmy. And come on... Just 6.5 Turn? You've put an ability to the ship to use canon yet only giving it an additional 0.5 Turn? you should have just given it a 7. That would separate it from the Rom and Fed counter part more and make amends for the blunder on the T5 version.
On the fed side... More Sci ability. Lets be honest here, The only thing really going for the Feds is their sci and engi ships. Which can easily be countered by the Rom's great DPS and the KDF's. To be in really actual par IMHO they should balance out the BOFF seat of fed ships to cater more sci abilities or universal hybrids. Where if Damage is lacking, Versatility would be the answer. You have already nerf the Leadership abilities of Humans so at least give the Feds something and not just cover the fact that Feds are more "Loved" by doing things that may look like it but in reality in STO which is now a PS game the feds just have the better aesthetics but not in real battle.
Well none the less Cryptic in my opinion still did a good job. Even with the flaws I still think they did good. Not perfect but still good. Give yourself a pat on the back Cryptic staff. Now if you guys can do something about the 4th console for the Command Battle Cruisers without resorting to Lobi's or Z-Store then you guys would be wonderful. Seriously normally I wouldn't mind if it was on the Lobi or Z-store but:
1. The Exchange rate is already too high. Most F2P players, specially the new ones would be held back or is already being held back. Some I know who jut started already quit the game. And some are now doubting to even put in cash on the game because fear that this game might die down most specially since there is no viable PvP for end game. Due to the game's content and the fact that the F2P's or Semi-F2P's make a great bulk of this game IMO are starting to let go of the game. So throwing the Console on the Lobi Store or Z-Store or even on a Lockbox is kinda a bad move and would only create more rage and would probably make more people less confident on your product/game.
2. It was free before. So people would expect the same treatment. Doing the opposite would like I said result doubt and even lesser confidence on you guys. Believe it or not it's been a seesaw on how positive or negative on how people look at your company. And this days people are now much leaning on the negative spectrum, So I think it's about time for a more positive move from you guys.
Well anyway sorry for the long post and this are just my own personal opinion and doesn't reflect others. Since we all have our own. And I might get criticize for what I said here but I really don't mind since as much as I have a free opinion to say what I want to say, people are also free to say something about it. I'm not one of those people who keeps on criticizing other yet are like onion skin when their opinions are being questioned.
The Romulan flagships were never anything like the FED/KDF ones. They were highly OP tactical focused monsters with a hangar on top of them. Back in the time hangars weren't added to almost every ship.
There's just so many things to be angry at the Scimitars and now these Rom flaships for (oversized by 30%, obviously OP, letting players to use obvious weapons of mass destruction against all in gmae faction rules: Thalaron blasts, ...).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
so do the consoles from the t5 ships still work and provide the set bonuses as well? Be kinda messed up if a t6 scimitar lost the goodies of the t5 set.
They should really have given a bit more love for the KDF from what they did on the T5 Flagship. I think their Flagship deserve an ability of the Raptor ship. The Bonus Damage. This would make them on par with the scimmy. And come on... Just 6.5 Turn? You've put an ability to the ship to use canon yet only giving it an additional 0.5 Turn? you should have just given it a 7. That would separate it from the Rom and Fed counter part more and make amends for the blunder on the T5 version.
Actually, they were already quite lenient with the Bortasqu'. The original T5 variant had 5.5 turn rate and 15 intertia. In other words, it was the original lock trajectory. I'm currently using cannons on my Bort so once I pick up the new T6, I'll only be deadlier. I'm glad they upped the maneuverability of this ship and these numbers are just right for a ship this size.
Ok, I just checked, I no longer have the free Odyssey, and its not in C store to reclaim it, but Promotional T6 Galaxy is for me. Cryptic, can you PLEASE re-release that old Promotional T5 Odyssey, that way we can select it and preview the new T6 parts in the ship designer to help us decide if we want to buy a ship or bundle.
Also, if I dont own any T5 Odysseys, and I buy the T6 Odyssey bundle, will I have access to the T5 costume parts to play with? Or do I have to buy an old T5 to get those parts? Another instance where having the old Promo T5 Odyssey would come in handy if the T6 set doesnt come with the original costume parts.
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
will we be getting a unique bridge with the federation flagship bundle?
Murphy's laws:
1- Murphy’s Law tells us that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
2- And anything that does go wrong will get progressively worse.
3- And if you survive the first two laws it’s time to panic.
The Sojourner would have been a wonderful Excelsior refit with its upright stance. straight nacelles and round saucer. Far better than the Resolute. Resolute and Sojourner should trade parents.
Ok, I just checked, I no longer have the free Odyssey, and its not in C store to reclaim it, but Promotional T6 Galaxy is for me. Cryptic, can you PLEASE re-release that old Promotional T5 Odyssey, that way we can select it and preview the new T6 parts in the ship designer to help us decide if we want to buy a ship or bundle.
Also, if I dont own any T5 Odysseys, and I buy the T6 Odyssey bundle, will I have access to the T5 costume parts to play with? Or do I have to buy an old T5 to get those parts? Another instance where having the old Promo T5 Odyssey would come in handy if the T6 set doesnt come with the original costume parts.
That promotional Odyssey is now in the fleet shipyard. Also, for any T6 that is an upgrade of a T5, its costume will include the base T5 skin.
Ok, I just checked, I no longer have the free Odyssey, and its not in C store to reclaim it, but Promotional T6 Galaxy is for me. Cryptic, can you PLEASE re-release that old Promotional T5 Odyssey, that way we can select it and preview the new T6 parts in the ship designer to help us decide if we want to buy a ship or bundle.
Also, if I dont own any T5 Odysseys, and I buy the T6 Odyssey bundle, will I have access to the T5 costume parts to play with? Or do I have to buy an old T5 to get those parts? Another instance where having the old Promo T5 Odyssey would come in handy if the T6 set doesnt come with the original costume parts.
That promotional Odyssey is now in the fleet shipyard. Also, for any T6 that is an upgrade of a T5, its costume will include the base T5 skin.
Thanks!
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
So I'm going to assume we can't use each skin without buying each ship. That's a shame because I want the Endeavor for her stats, but I don't like her looks. The Sojourner and Yorktown look a lot better, IMO, and I would love to use their looks instead. I know I will be able to use the Odyssey look, which I'll probably end up doing, but man would I love have access to the other parts. I just can't shell out another $30 just for aesthetics.
The Khopesh has Commander Tactical seating AND 5 Tactical Consoles. And an extra Universal slot. And even the starship trait is super useful to me, since I'm one of those weirdos who uses both energy weapons AND torpedoes. And now that I've seen more screenshots of it, even the ship design looks amazing. Once again, I'm still probably gonna go with the darker Reman skin from the Tulwar, if possible, but even with the Republic green, it looks terrifying. I am so very glad I've been saving up Zen via the Dilithium exchange, and even if I hadn't, this is probably the first thing in a long, long time I would have actually considered throwing money at.
Gawd, speaking of a long, long time, this is probably the most excited I've been about something in STO for a good long while, as well.
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
I've waited all this time to get a T6 tac. flag ship. Dying with anticipation. And what do I get, AGAIN? That same flat, straight lined, sharp pointy edged look that the arbiter has...To me, it's the ugliest of all Fed designs. The others look way better with that organic streamlined look. What's up with the new tac. cruisers all having that look? I don't want that ship at all now. I am majorly disappointed, and will not be buying any of this. Hell, this makes me want to quit the game now...Thank you criptic for being in love with the ugliest design for a Tac. flagship.
I'm a bit confused why the federation ones don't have a hanger, and the ability to fit a Callisto pet. I mean sure you could put the tier 5 pet on there, but why not both?
"..and like children playing after sunset, we were surrounded by darkness." -Ruri Hoshino
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Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
This is always the decision we're faced with when we're looking at putting equipment sets on a ship. Do we replace one with the other, or throw out other items so we can slot both?
Doubling up on console powers, as you're suggesting, is definitely OP and removes the balance decision of what to slot and what to do without. So I'm glad they didn't do that.
What I'm wondering, though, is how the ships will perform with only one set or the other and not both? Do you end up seriously gimping yourself if you don't equip both sets? In the unlikely event that I decided to throw in the towel and buy the Fed Flagship bundle, I worry that not equipping pieces from the T5 set (which I don't have and won't buy) would automatically gimp me in terms of performance. Saucer sep is a particularly good example.
Statwise, it's nice to note the Tac variants get lower rank boffs than the Sci and Eng ones (two Lt. instead of a Lt.Comm. and an Ensign).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I do, and they launch a hell of a lot faster than that escort, and they don't cost me a console slot.
In the time of the T5's, the Scimitar was the first T6. In the Time of T6's, the Scimitar is now pushing 7.
2 years from now the new Romulan ship will be the Spinal Tap...
I'm not opposed to being forced to choose. Thinking back I probably should have used the vet reward destroyers as an example. There the T6 console is a upgraded version of the T5 and I'm really just wondering why the T6 flagship consoles weren't given the same treatment. Really all I want a T6 flagships that have improved versions of the powers I've come to associate with the flagships.
Anyway I'm sure this conversation will come up again when the T6 Vesta pack is eventually released.
Wow, how did I miss that? So looks like the Rom trades Cruiser Commands for 1 hangar? Seems like a fair trade-off
To be frank I'm one of those guys who have the Command Battlecruiser Set but missing the last console. It was bad because we never knew that the Samsar was needed for the 4th console. Which is why for one is disappointed and kinda annoyed when they announced there won't be another way to earn the ship. Well for now.
But to be honest on the Flagship's case I for one don't think the 4th console is something you can live without. technically the 4th console from the Krenim ship is already good on it's own but as for being part the bundle it's a So-so.
I do not know if Cryptic made the 4th console ability this way as a safer way of reducing the rage some will make out of it, but the 4th ability isn't as ground breaking as the Command Battlecruisers, which actually does A LOT for the ship.
For those who haven't experience having the 3 consoles for the CBC's (Command Battlcruisers) or may think that the other 2 consoles are a waste then as someone who actually didn't the bundle at first and just bought the Presidio 1st because I listened to people saying the other 2 consoles useless I would say they are not. After much contemplation I bought the other 2 and never saw such an improvement on a ship after just adding those 2 consoles. What more if there is the 4th who actually gives a very significant boost to the CBC's repertoire. Hence you can't really blame CBC owners like myself for being disappointed about their previous announcement of "Exclusivity".
Anyway as I said this time I think they went on a safer side with the T6 Flagships since the 4th console's ability isn't that much ground breaking IMHO not like that of the CBC's. Also if one thinks about it the ability of this ships to use the consoles of their T5 versions is in my opinion much better than the 4th console.
My only niche about this is the fact that I think the Rom's still got the better deal on this one. The builds with the new T6 Scimmy would be great and in fact in IMO would be even better now. But the balance is still tweaked on the Rom side. Seriously to those who keep saying Rom's are not loved and the Feds are the only one loved should analyze things again.
Rom's have been loved since they launch the race. STO->DPS Game->Rom's King of DPS. Singularity Powers. Stackable SRO's. I rest my case here.
They should really have given a bit more love for the KDF from what they did on the T5 Flagship. I think their Flagship deserve an ability of the Raptor ship. The Bonus Damage. This would make them on par with the scimmy. And come on... Just 6.5 Turn? You've put an ability to the ship to use canon yet only giving it an additional 0.5 Turn? you should have just given it a 7. That would separate it from the Rom and Fed counter part more and make amends for the blunder on the T5 version.
On the fed side... More Sci ability. Lets be honest here, The only thing really going for the Feds is their sci and engi ships. Which can easily be countered by the Rom's great DPS and the KDF's. To be in really actual par IMHO they should balance out the BOFF seat of fed ships to cater more sci abilities or universal hybrids. Where if Damage is lacking, Versatility would be the answer. You have already nerf the Leadership abilities of Humans so at least give the Feds something and not just cover the fact that Feds are more "Loved" by doing things that may look like it but in reality in STO which is now a PS game the feds just have the better aesthetics but not in real battle.
Well none the less Cryptic in my opinion still did a good job. Even with the flaws I still think they did good. Not perfect but still good. Give yourself a pat on the back Cryptic staff. Now if you guys can do something about the 4th console for the Command Battle Cruisers without resorting to Lobi's or Z-Store then you guys would be wonderful. Seriously normally I wouldn't mind if it was on the Lobi or Z-store but:
1. The Exchange rate is already too high. Most F2P players, specially the new ones would be held back or is already being held back. Some I know who jut started already quit the game. And some are now doubting to even put in cash on the game because fear that this game might die down most specially since there is no viable PvP for end game. Due to the game's content and the fact that the F2P's or Semi-F2P's make a great bulk of this game IMO are starting to let go of the game. So throwing the Console on the Lobi Store or Z-Store or even on a Lockbox is kinda a bad move and would only create more rage and would probably make more people less confident on your product/game.
2. It was free before. So people would expect the same treatment. Doing the opposite would like I said result doubt and even lesser confidence on you guys. Believe it or not it's been a seesaw on how positive or negative on how people look at your company. And this days people are now much leaning on the negative spectrum, So I think it's about time for a more positive move from you guys.
Well anyway sorry for the long post and this are just my own personal opinion and doesn't reflect others. Since we all have our own. And I might get criticize for what I said here but I really don't mind since as much as I have a free opinion to say what I want to say, people are also free to say something about it. I'm not one of those people who keeps on criticizing other yet are like onion skin when their opinions are being questioned.
Cheers and Good day to ll~
There's just so many things to be angry at the Scimitars and now these Rom flaships for (oversized by 30%, obviously OP, letting players to use obvious weapons of mass destruction against all in gmae faction rules: Thalaron blasts, ...).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Actually, they were already quite lenient with the Bortasqu'. The original T5 variant had 5.5 turn rate and 15 intertia. In other words, it was the original lock trajectory. I'm currently using cannons on my Bort so once I pick up the new T6, I'll only be deadlier. I'm glad they upped the maneuverability of this ship and these numbers are just right for a ship this size.
Also, if I dont own any T5 Odysseys, and I buy the T6 Odyssey bundle, will I have access to the T5 costume parts to play with? Or do I have to buy an old T5 to get those parts? Another instance where having the old Promo T5 Odyssey would come in handy if the T6 set doesnt come with the original costume parts.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
1- Murphy’s Law tells us that anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
2- And anything that does go wrong will get progressively worse.
3- And if you survive the first two laws it’s time to panic.
That promotional Odyssey is now in the fleet shipyard. Also, for any T6 that is an upgrade of a T5, its costume will include the base T5 skin.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Yes. Yessss. Yessssss.
The Khopesh has Commander Tactical seating AND 5 Tactical Consoles. And an extra Universal slot. And even the starship trait is super useful to me, since I'm one of those weirdos who uses both energy weapons AND torpedoes. And now that I've seen more screenshots of it, even the ship design looks amazing. Once again, I'm still probably gonna go with the darker Reman skin from the Tulwar, if possible, but even with the Republic green, it looks terrifying. I am so very glad I've been saving up Zen via the Dilithium exchange, and even if I hadn't, this is probably the first thing in a long, long time I would have actually considered throwing money at.
Gawd, speaking of a long, long time, this is probably the most excited I've been about something in STO for a good long while, as well.
https://indd.adobe.com/view/5d7ffcd8-7cf8-4561-a13a-5df451ef0511
I think you need to go look again as five consoles is the limit on what I see and that's a standard.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
If not probably will not get it.