Withering Radiation? What is it suppose to do?

ghostsofwar116 · December 2015

Ok, so I just did a PvP test against a fleetmate of mine, to test out the Withering Photon Torpedo Launcher that I got as a random box drop. My question is, what exactly is this suppose to do. He had a 5 stack of Withering Radiation on him, and it was doing nothing to him at all, the torpedo said it was going to do 334 radiation damage per stack of Withering Radiation, and it was doing like 100 hp a pop, which means that the Terran Task Force Weapons are completely useless, as they don't have the normal disruptor proc which would have been a better fit, with the chance to apply radiation, over this small dot that is not going to do anything to another player or anything in PvE.

lingeringsoul888 · December 2015

I played with it.....didn't seem to be that good. The colour was spectacular though, so I'm keeping that

warmaker001b · December 2015

Reputation weapons that aren't Romulan Plasma tend to be dubious weapon choices if you're looking for performance. Withering Disruptors seem to continue that tradition. I have yet to even hear of anyone blurt out how nice they are in the various channels I subscribe to.

mustrumridcully0 · December 2015

The tooltip doesn't seem to tell anything. The stack seems to last long, but what does the stack do? If the damgae is something like "x damage per second", the tooltip doesn't say.

shadowwraith77 · December 2015

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

The tooltip doesn't seem to tell anything. The stack seems to last long, but what does the stack do? If the damgae is something like "x damage per second", the tooltip doesn't say.

Exactly what I myself asked, as well as another thread that was started a few weeks back.

The desciption comes off, as a completely useless proc no matter how you understand the description, as it seems like a single dmg dot that lingers for 60secs., waiting for the next stack to apply, only to inflict 1 dmg value again.

It comes off looking far worse, than any individual instant dmg applied effect, while also looking far worse than any standard dot that does dmg over times as well!!!

borg0 · December 2015

It's just another photon torp with little extra radiation lol. You can use it in torp boat along with dyson/undine/delta set which r photon based torp. I used it with the undine set for dual torp launcher since both have radiation effect/photon/disruptor dmg. Basically, you got different choice to play with beside plasma. Tbh, the dyson/undine/terran set give an awesome photon dmg bonus. Try it and see things blow up with 150k+ crit.

peterconnorfirst · December 2015

Could it be that we only have withering disruptors around because somebody at cryptic’s realized a few moths ago that he simply likes the word withering?

jbmaverick · December 2015

Just a guess as I haven't used them myself, but based on the wording I think it's not quite so much a DoT like plasma fires. It seems like each time a stack of it is applied, it deals some amount of radiation damage based on how many stacks were already on the target. Eventually the stack count reaches its max and further applications will deal the max damage and refresh the timer.

artan42 · December 2015

It's not just the Romulan Plasma weapons from the reputations that are great. The bio-molecular weapons and the Iconian anti-proton are good as well.

storules · December 2015

LOL...another useless reputation solely based to create unnecessary grind. Thanks for the advice and will save my time for other purposes.

warmaker001b · December 2015

artan42 wrote: »

It's not just the Romulan Plasma weapons from the reputations that are great. The bio-molecular weapons and the Iconian anti-proton are good as well.

I forgot about the Bio-Molecular Phasers/Disruptors. Those are good and will easily go right into existing Phaser / Disruptor builds without breaking their integrity. I was never sold however on the Iconian Resistance Rep's AP weapons.

markhawkman · December 2015

My best guess is that it is like Coalition disruptors in that if you use only withering weapons you get nice damage out of it, but splashing is pointless.

crypticrock · December 2015

Withering Radiation weapons are supposed to apply a debuff to the target, then deal a direct amount of Radiation damage to the target based on the number of stacks present. 1 stack = x damage. 2 stacks = x*2 damage, etc. Said damage should be more than '1'. This damage does not penetrate shields, and benefits from Weapons Training and Energy Weapons Training. If that's not functioning properly, it's a bug (and news to me, as QA and myself certainly tested out the proc when I built it).

And yes, I'm rather fond of the word 'withering.'

ghostsofwar116 · December 2015

crypticrock wrote: »

Withering Radiation weapons are supposed to apply a debuff to the target, then deal a direct amount of Radiation damage to the target based on the number of stacks present. 1 stack = x damage. 2 stacks = x*2 damage, etc. Said damage should be more than '1'. This damage does not penetrate shields, and benefits from Weapons Training and Energy Weapons Training. If that's not functioning properly, it's a bug (and news to me, as QA and myself certainly tested out the proc when I built it).

And yes, I'm rather fond of the word 'withering.'

Is the debuff suppose to be the normal disruptor debuff, or is it something different, because the tool tip that I am reading is a rather unclear on what the debuff is:

Withering Photon Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH]
Kinetic Damage
90 degree Targeting Arc
4,940.9 Kinetic Damage (823.5 DPS)
+50 Armor Pen vs. Exposed Targets
20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
to target: 33% Chance: Apply stack of Withering Radiation
(Lasts for 60 sec, 5 stack max)
345.9 Radiation Damage to target per stack of Withering Radiation

20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
+2% Critical Chance
+10% Accuracy

I am not seeing anything about a debuff. The ground weapons I am getting out of the rep boxs, for daily and hourly rep missions, say they are dealing disruptor damage, but are not making note of the disruptor proc chance. I think you guys are doing a great job, but would it be possible to get a bit of a cleaning up of the tool tips for the Terran Task Force weapons, so what exactly what players should expect?

jbmaverick · December 2015

ghostsofwar116 wrote: »

crypticrock wrote: »

Withering Radiation weapons are supposed to apply a debuff to the target, then deal a direct amount of Radiation damage to the target based on the number of stacks present. 1 stack = x damage. 2 stacks = x*2 damage, etc. Said damage should be more than '1'. This damage does not penetrate shields, and benefits from Weapons Training and Energy Weapons Training. If that's not functioning properly, it's a bug (and news to me, as QA and myself certainly tested out the proc when I built it).

And yes, I'm rather fond of the word 'withering.'

Is the debuff suppose to be the normal disruptor debuff, or is it something different, because the tool tip that I am reading is a rather unclear on what the debuff is:

Withering Photon Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc] [CrtH]
Kinetic Damage
90 degree Targeting Arc
4,940.9 Kinetic Damage (823.5 DPS)
+50 Armor Pen vs. Exposed Targets
20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
to target: 33% Chance: Apply stack of Withering Radiation
(Lasts for 60 sec, 5 stack max)
345.9 Radiation Damage to target per stack of Withering Radiation

20% Chance: Improve recharge time by 5 sec.
+2% Critical Chance
+10% Accuracy

I am not seeing anything about a debuff. The ground weapons I am getting out of the rep boxs, for daily and hourly rep missions, say they are dealing disruptor damage, but are not making note of the disruptor proc chance. I think you guys are doing a great job, but would it be possible to get a bit of a cleaning up of the tool tips for the Terran Task Force weapons, so what exactly what players should expect?

It's a "debuff" in that it's something that persists on the target even if it has no immediate effect.

If I undestand the mechanics correctly, the stack of Withering Radiation does nothing in and of itself. However, when a second stack is added, either 345.9 or 345.9 x2 (not sure on this point, depends on the order of stack application and damage application) Radiation damage is applied to the target. When a third stack is added, either 345.9 x2 or x3 damage is applied, etc. I would imagine that's the reason the duration is so long, to actually give you a chance to max out the stacks and therefore deal the maximum radiation damage. Eventually it becomes a 2.5% chance for energy weapons to deal an additional 1729.5 damage on the first shot and 33% chance for torpedoes to deal an additional 1729.5 damage.

davefenestrator · December 2015

So the first stack is like expose, and stacks 2-5 are exploit?

I'm not sure that matches this, which implies the first stack will . . . eventually? apply 1x damage:

Withering Radiation weapons are supposed to apply a debuff to the target, then deal a direct amount of Radiation damage to the target based on the number of stacks present. 1 stack = x damage. 2 stacks = x*2 damage, etc.

Perhaps crypticrock could give a concrete example of the behavior for a single withering proc by itself, with no later procs? Then one with multiple procs?

Right now I'm not clear on whether only procs 2-on cause damage, or proc 1 causes damage but only after 60 seconds, or what. So confused!

warmaker001b · December 2015

crypticrock wrote: »

And yes, I'm rather fond of the word 'withering.'

I salute you for being the one to own up to that

Thanks for the clarification in what the proc is supposed to do.

shadowwraith77 · December 2015

Doesn't look like any debuff to me, and is weaker in rad dmg than any other weapons, along with weaker than dot weapons as well.

ssbn655 · December 2015

Just out of curiosity do you have and consoles or other gear that buffs Exotic Damage? From what I understand radiation damage is exotic damage and exotic damage is buffed by the consoles and other gear the amplifies it.

lamyrs · December 2015

So far i understand this that way :
Any withring disruptor weapon have a chance to apply a stack of whitering radiation up to 5 times.
Then you need a radiation dmg weapon or ability to proc these stacks.
Which make for exemple a good combo with whitering disruptors and bio molecular weapons and ability like aceton.
And that's why they added a new radiation dmg ability.

Am I right?

e30ernest · December 2015

ssbn655 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity do you have and consoles or other gear that buffs Exotic Damage? From what I understand radiation damage is exotic damage and exotic damage is buffed by the consoles and other gear the amplifies it.

Not all radiation damage is exotic. Radiation damage from weapons for example are not exotic so this isn't exotic.

@crypticrock thank you for explaining the mechanics. I'll have to retest the rep Photon Torp but from my old parses it did not seem like the procs were stacking properly. Just to confirm, in my logs the procs are the "Withering Barrage" entries?

Looking at some recent Crystalline Catastrophe runs (where I get to use the Terran Taskforce Photon torpedo fairly constantly), I average between 10-16 normal shots with this torp and an additional 3 torps from a torp spread (because I switch my spreads to these torps towards the end). So that's an average of about 13-19 "hits" from the torp. Over the course of that run, I'll be lucky to have around 5 "shots" of Withering Barrage for 215 damage/tick. It seems to me it should be procc'ing more often that that. I know my gravimetric torp (which has a similar 33% chance to proc a rift) procs more often than this.

Thanks!

ghostsofwar116 · December 2015

e30ernest wrote: »

ssbn655 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity do you have and consoles or other gear that buffs Exotic Damage? From what I understand radiation damage is exotic damage and exotic damage is buffed by the consoles and other gear the amplifies it.

Not all radiation damage is exotic. Radiation damage from weapons for example are not exotic so this isn't exotic.

@crypticrock thank you for explaining the mechanics. I'll have to retest the rep Photon Torp but from my old parses it did not seem like the procs were stacking properly. Just to confirm, in my logs the procs are the "Withering Barrage" entries?

Looking at some recent Crystalline Catastrophe runs (where I get to use the Terran Taskforce Photon torpedo fairly constantly), I average between 10-16 normal shots with this torp and an additional 3 torps from a torp spread (because I switch my spreads to these torps towards the end). So that's an average of about 13-19 "hits" from the torp. Over the course of that run, I'll be lucky to have around 5 "shots" of Withering Barrage for 215 damage/tick. It seems to me it should be procc'ing more often that that. I know my gravimetric torp (which has a similar 33% chance to proc a rift) procs more often than this.

Thanks!

The Withering Barrage, is from the Pilot Starship Trait the Tactical one I think, if anything would be in your log it would show up as Withering Radiation, one would think.

e30ernest · December 2015

Not getting any log entries for Withering Radiation at all. Also worth noting that I don't have that trait (from tactical pilot escort I believe?).

markhawkman · December 2015

e30ernest wrote: »

ssbn655 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity do you have and consoles or other gear that buffs Exotic Damage? From what I understand radiation damage is exotic damage and exotic damage is buffed by the consoles and other gear the amplifies it.

Not all radiation damage is exotic. Radiation damage from weapons for example are not exotic so this isn't exotic.

@crypticrock thank you for explaining the mechanics. I'll have to retest the rep Photon Torp but from my old parses it did not seem like the procs were stacking properly. Just to confirm, in my logs the procs are the "Withering Barrage" entries?

Looking at some recent Crystalline Catastrophe runs (where I get to use the Terran Taskforce Photon torpedo fairly constantly), I average between 10-16 normal shots with this torp and an additional 3 torps from a torp spread (because I switch my spreads to these torps towards the end). So that's an average of about 13-19 "hits" from the torp. Over the course of that run, I'll be lucky to have around 5 "shots" of Withering Barrage for 215 damage/tick. It seems to me it should be procc'ing more often that that. I know my gravimetric torp (which has a similar 33% chance to proc a rift) procs more often than this.

Thanks!

Are you using withering disruptors?

meimeitoo · December 2015

I say, let it wither and die. ;P

e30ernest · December 2015

markhawkman wrote: »

Are you using withering disruptors?

Yes I am using the array for the set bonus. In CCA however I have this mounted aft and it never gets a shot out.

markhawkman · December 2015

only one? a full set might be better. this really needs to be trigger repeatedly to be effective.

e30ernest · December 2015

I'm talking about the torp.

It should have a 33% chance to proc withering radiation.

Did a test in CCA. Went in with only this torp and heals, fired 21 normal shots, no entry in the logs for "Withering Radiation" but I did get 5 ticks from "Withering Barrage". There is something wrong with the procs of this torp.

ufpterrell · December 2015

Must confess, I have the terran photon torp on my Alita fore just because I thought it looked like a cool torp to fire :P. The spam with TS3 is epic.

e30ernest · December 2015

OK additional tests done...

Is Withering Radiation supposed to be a DoT or a single hit? Tested on PVP, it applies a single hit, and that single hit's damage stacks (x2) on the next hit and so on. Is this how it's supposed to work?

Thanks!

lianthelia · December 2015

e30ernest wrote: »

OK additional tests done...

Is Withering Radiation supposed to be a DoT or a single hit? Tested on PVP, it applies a single hit, and that single hit's damage stacks (x2) on the next hit and so on. Is this how it's supposed to work?

Thanks!

Single hit...the thing that has a timer is just a debuff and not a dot

Withering Radiation? What is it suppose to do?

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