I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Its stats actually make sense compared to the Miranda. Not up to 25th century standards at all but juuuust that little bit more powerful to edge out the Miranda in head-to-head combat (and by "edge out" I mean "barely survive intact"). Pretty much fits with what we see in TWOK.
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Personally, I think the Reliant should be 5-6-5.
She did have Phaser Cannons compared to the Enterprise's Phaser Beams and the Photons fired both forward and backward from the pod.
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She did have Phaser Cannons compared to the Enterprise's Phaser Beams and the Photons fired both forward and backward from the pod.
Technically... they fired the same phasers. While the Reliant did have an apparent advantage in having rear firing torpedoes, which at the time we didn't know if Enterprise had that capability herself. The only time we saw a Constitution class fire a rear torpedo or rear phasers was actually the Defiant in the mirror episodes of Enterprise, and that was a pre-refit Connie.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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only reason kirk got his nose bloodied was b/c khan got in a sneak attack and in so doing took out the forward portside torpedo tube,and if i mis-remember it there are at least 6 dual phaser banks just on the saucer alone. would haveta dig out the tech manual to see where the rest of the phaser banks are located......and i'm too tired to do that...........
I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
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Actually sir, it has been proven that 616 is the true number of the devil. But I believe that is only because 616 was found in an older version of the bible, and perhaps other interpretations exist.
I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
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I'd say it's a sort of in joke on many levels by the STO Dev team; because once T6 ships hit - cries for a "T5 Connie" stopped and cries for a "T6 Connie" began (and I'm one of those still "crying' for Cryptic to add a T6 Connie to the game - CBS be dammed.)
Thus I guess that was their compromise on the T6 Connie issue as the original 1701 Connie ship card has 6's for all stats in the TRIBBLE.
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Actually sir, it has been proven that 616 is the true number of the devil. But I believe that is only because 616 was found in an older version of the bible, and perhaps other interpretations exist.
I'm only going on what I learned on QI.
I think it was proven that it was actually referring to a specific Roman leader. Not sure if it was Nero or someone like that.
Back in those days, the Jews liked to make those number-letter substitution games. And of course, political commentary wasn't without its perils.
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I think the admirality system illustrates how weird this ship tier system is. The T1 B'Rel is the Miranda counterpart with 5,5,5 while the B'Rel retrofit has much higher values. Logically, even if the B'Rel is retrofitted with better tech, it still can only have two cannons and a torpedo launcher (logically, not STO-logic). That doesn't make sense, really. Same with the Miranda which is actually still in use as a frigate/"destroyer" in DS9 and is even the only canonical ship next to Defiant to carry pulse phaser cannons. Yes, the Mirandas fill the exact same combat role as the Defiant. But there's no retrofit or modern variant of it - but the Shi'Kar skin suggests there is a modern version of it, but it's "Tier 1" so... it all makes no sense.
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only reason kirk got his nose bloodied was b/c khan got in a sneak attack and in so doing took out the forward portside torpedo tube,and if i mis-remember it there are at least 6 dual phaser banks just on the saucer alone. would haveta dig out the tech manual to see where the rest of the phaser banks are located......and i'm too tired to do that...........
Not to mention it took a direct hit in Engineering. Which took the warp drive off-line for the most of it. Going by the Motion Picture. The phasers used power from the Warp Core to work. Thus this would greatly reduced the effectiveness of them. Unless they upgraded that part since the Motion Picture. As Kirk and Decker had an order issue over that. Where Decker saved them, since Kirk didn't know about that.
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only reason kirk got his nose bloodied was b/c khan got in a sneak attack and in so doing took out the forward portside torpedo tube,and if i mis-remember it there are at least 6 dual phaser banks just on the saucer alone. would haveta dig out the tech manual to see where the rest of the phaser banks are located......and i'm too tired to do that...........
Lets see... at least 3 dorsal and 3 ventral... taking into consideration what was seen on the USS Defiant in the episode In a Mirror Darkly pt 2, possibly a rear emitter above the Shuttlebay if that was carried over in the refit. But that also removes the rear torpedo launcher that was set between the impulse engines...
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Comparing the number of weapon hardpoints between two ships isn't of much use, unless you can confirm that the individual weapons are of the same type. Otherwise, the Reliant had more visible hardpoints, at twelve for phasers (vs the Enterprise's eight, although it's not clear if the Reliant's rollbar guns counted as six phasers, or two with three emitter sets each), and double the torpedo tubes. Although, once again, they could easily have been less capable weapons than what the 'Prise had installed.
Not to derail an otherwise heated nerdfight, but there can be no resolution to discussions like this: there simply isn't enough information to draw a proper conclusion, regardless of how much everyone thinks they know. And really, how does the balancing of a CCG directly relate to on-screen evidence to begin with? This is an MMO we're talking about here, not a simulator...
As for the original topic, 666/616 (depending on which mistranslation you go by) isn't the Devil's mark, but is referred to as the Mark of the Beast; specifically, the Mark of the Second Beast, whom is explicitly stated to be a man. So, not El Diablo. Still quite probably evil, though.
only reason kirk got his nose bloodied was b/c khan got in a sneak attack and in so doing took out the forward portside torpedo tube,and if i mis-remember it there are at least 6 dual phaser banks just on the saucer alone. would haveta dig out the tech manual to see where the rest of the phaser banks are located......and i'm too tired to do that...........
Not to mention it took a direct hit in Engineering. Which took the warp drive off-line for the most of it. Going by the Motion Picture. The phasers used power from the Warp Core to work. Thus this would greatly reduced the effectiveness of them. Unless they upgraded that part since the Motion Picture. As Kirk and Decker had an order issue over that. Where Decker saved them, since Kirk didn't know about that.
The power of the phasers were increased a lot by going through the warp core, but the safetys in the warp core block out the phasers when the core is unstable. In the novel Roddenberry wrote of the motion picture, this is a defect in the design that Decker and Scottie had objected to and were over ruled, they had a plan to put in a bypass as soon as the ship would be launched and away from earth space dock.
On a side note, I do wish the stats of the low level ships were a little bit higher. It kind of tells me there are no missions that a starter ship can go on solo? doesn't that make the start of the game a suicide run for all our characters?
The power of the phasers were increased a lot by going through the warp core, but the safetys in the warp core block out the phasers when the core is unstable. In the novel Roddenberry wrote of the motion picture, this is a defect in the design that Decker and Scottie had objected to and were over ruled, they had a plan to put in a bypass as soon as the ship would be launched and away from earth space dock.
On a side note, I do wish the stats of the low level ships were a little bit higher. It kind of tells me there are no missions that a starter ship can go on solo? doesn't that make the start of the game a suicide run for all our characters?
That's something I noticed as well. Basically, most ships below T5 are completely useless when you have to fill 150 of everything in certain missions and with "events" - I'm sure you can buy more slots to use ships at one point, but sending low level ships is only worthwhile when two T6 elite ships filled everything, then you can pack a T1 or T2 in it for the boni (double crit rate or something like that).
I'm not a big fan of simulated content or DOFF cardgames, but I don't feel the appeal of admirality, aside from a comfortable source of some XP. I just randomly select mission, slot until I have a succcess of at least 90% and of with it, I don't really pay a lot of attention... And the most efficient ships I have, as a Starfleet or KDF fleet captain, are Breen, Ferengi and what not - yeah.
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It's just one of those superstitious religious beliefs the ignorant masses of humans tend to have.
666 is from the coded politics of the Book of Revelation, it's not meant to be a religious belief, none of that book is. Of course that doesn't stop people believing that, but 666 isn't part of Christian doctrine.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
Admiral: "Did you really just file a report that you destroyed the Greek God Apollo?"
Kirk: "Yes, sir."
Admiral: "Hogwash. No more BS in the official reports."
Kirk: I guess I should mention I just met Abraham Lincoln."
Admiral:"Get out...now."
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only reason kirk got his nose bloodied was b/c khan got in a sneak attack and in so doing took out the forward portside torpedo tube,and if i mis-remember it there are at least 6 dual phaser banks just on the saucer alone. would haveta dig out the tech manual to see where the rest of the phaser banks are located......and i'm too tired to do that...........
Lets see... at least 3 dorsal and 3 ventral... taking into consideration what was seen on the USS Defiant in the episode In a Mirror Darkly pt 2, possibly a rear emitter above the Shuttlebay if that was carried over in the refit. But that also removes the rear torpedo launcher that was set between the impulse engines...
In actuality, along with the phaser banks on the saucer, on the secondary hull of the Constitution refit there is a set of four phasers (not sure if any are paired) about halfway up the bottom of the hull (surrounding the running light there) plus another pair (maybe a bank(?)) just above the shuttlebay doors.
As far as whether or not the class is evil, there were, supposedly, 12 other Constitution-Class starships flying around in Kirk's time so I would hope that would offset the trouble Kirk kept causing.
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No one's saying anything about the Miranda being almost evil.
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Personally, I think the Reliant should be 5-6-5.
She did have Phaser Cannons compared to the Enterprise's Phaser Beams and the Photons fired both forward and backward from the pod.
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Technically... they fired the same phasers. While the Reliant did have an apparent advantage in having rear firing torpedoes, which at the time we didn't know if Enterprise had that capability herself. The only time we saw a Constitution class fire a rear torpedo or rear phasers was actually the Defiant in the mirror episodes of Enterprise, and that was a pre-refit Connie.
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Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
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Actually sir, it has been proven that 616 is the true number of the devil. But I believe that is only because 616 was found in an older version of the bible, and perhaps other interpretations exist.
I'm only going on what I learned on QI.
Admiral: "Did you really just file a report that you destroyed the Greek God Apollo?"
Kirk: "Yes, sir."
Admiral: "Hogwash. No more BS in the official reports."
Kirk: I guess I should mention I just met Abraham Lincoln."
Admiral:"Get out...now."
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Thus I guess that was their compromise on the T6 Connie issue as the original 1701 Connie ship card has 6's for all stats in the TRIBBLE.
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Not to mention it took a direct hit in Engineering. Which took the warp drive off-line for the most of it. Going by the Motion Picture. The phasers used power from the Warp Core to work. Thus this would greatly reduced the effectiveness of them. Unless they upgraded that part since the Motion Picture. As Kirk and Decker had an order issue over that. Where Decker saved them, since Kirk didn't know about that.
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Lets see... at least 3 dorsal and 3 ventral... taking into consideration what was seen on the USS Defiant in the episode In a Mirror Darkly pt 2, possibly a rear emitter above the Shuttlebay if that was carried over in the refit. But that also removes the rear torpedo launcher that was set between the impulse engines...
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Not to derail an otherwise heated nerdfight, but there can be no resolution to discussions like this: there simply isn't enough information to draw a proper conclusion, regardless of how much everyone thinks they know. And really, how does the balancing of a CCG directly relate to on-screen evidence to begin with? This is an MMO we're talking about here, not a simulator...
As for the original topic, 666/616 (depending on which mistranslation you go by) isn't the Devil's mark, but is referred to as the Mark of the Beast; specifically, the Mark of the Second Beast, whom is explicitly stated to be a man. So, not El Diablo. Still quite probably evil, though.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
The power of the phasers were increased a lot by going through the warp core, but the safetys in the warp core block out the phasers when the core is unstable. In the novel Roddenberry wrote of the motion picture, this is a defect in the design that Decker and Scottie had objected to and were over ruled, they had a plan to put in a bypass as soon as the ship would be launched and away from earth space dock.
On a side note, I do wish the stats of the low level ships were a little bit higher. It kind of tells me there are no missions that a starter ship can go on solo? doesn't that make the start of the game a suicide run for all our characters?
That's something I noticed as well. Basically, most ships below T5 are completely useless when you have to fill 150 of everything in certain missions and with "events" - I'm sure you can buy more slots to use ships at one point, but sending low level ships is only worthwhile when two T6 elite ships filled everything, then you can pack a T1 or T2 in it for the boni (double crit rate or something like that).
I'm not a big fan of simulated content or DOFF cardgames, but I don't feel the appeal of admirality, aside from a comfortable source of some XP. I just randomly select mission, slot until I have a succcess of at least 90% and of with it, I don't really pay a lot of attention... And the most efficient ships I have, as a Starfleet or KDF fleet captain, are Breen, Ferengi and what not - yeah.
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666 is from the coded politics of the Book of Revelation, it's not meant to be a religious belief, none of that book is. Of course that doesn't stop people believing that, but 666 isn't part of Christian doctrine.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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In actuality, along with the phaser banks on the saucer, on the secondary hull of the Constitution refit there is a set of four phasers (not sure if any are paired) about halfway up the bottom of the hull (surrounding the running light there) plus another pair (maybe a bank(?)) just above the shuttlebay doors.
As far as whether or not the class is evil, there were, supposedly, 12 other Constitution-Class starships flying around in Kirk's time so I would hope that would offset the trouble Kirk kept causing.