Yeah, but think how many of the Constitution-class/Starship-class ships were destroyed or lost - Intrepid, Constellation, Defiant, Exeter (crew killed, ship intact)... plus Excalibur and Lexington were attacked during the M-5 tests... Probably one of the worst 'bad luck' classes of ship until the Galaxy-class came along and lost the Yamato, the Odyssey, and the Enterprise-D... (Not counting the numerous unnamed Galaxy-class ships lost or heavily damaged during the Dominion War since this is focusing on accidents or pointless losses...)
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Those bottom and aft emitters make up two phaser banks in all, the bottom one having four emitters, and the aft one has two, like the ones on the primary hull (for a total of eight).
I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
NCC 1701 Frigate Class. Any warp capable vessel is considered a "starship". The only cruisers in TOS, were Klingon battlecruisers.
The Constitution was considered a heavy cruiser in it's heyday.
NCC 1701 Frigate Class. Any warp capable vessel is considered a "starship". The only cruisers in TOS, were Klingon battlecruisers.
Actually, if you'll check, you'll find that the TOS Enterprise was specifically stated on its dedication plaque to be "Starship Class", therefore not every warp capable vessel at the time of The Original Series was considered a Starship. Not to mention that, later on, during Wrath of Khan, Kirk specifically says that "Enterprise is the only starship in the quadrant" despite the fact that Reliant is also in the area so either A; Kirk did not know about Reliant being in the area or B; Reliant wasn't classified as a Starship.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
While the dedication plaque did say 'Starship Class', the Enterprise was first referred on-screen as being a Constitution-class on a graphic in 'Space Seed', but was being called that behind the scenes well before that. It was later confirmed that the refit Constitutions retained the class name from a schematic Scotty was studying in ST:VI. 'Starship-Class' is simply a leftover from when the series was young, like references to UESPA and lithium crystals, when they still had a lot to hammer out in terms of the Trek universe's details.
Traditionally, the Constitutions have been referred to as 'heavy cruisers', although I can't find a reference specifying where this came from. Although Torg does refer to the Enterprise as "Federation Battle Cruiser" in ST:III.
Edit: An on-screen graphic from the first movie labeled the Enterprise as a "Heavy Cruiser", so there's two refernces.
In ST:II, Kirk didn't know Reliant was in their sector at all, since she wasn't supposed to be in the Regula sector. Also, you have to bear in mind that the term quadrant was used extremely loosely by the writers, oftentimes referring to more localized areas, rather than the geographic quarter of the galaxy that it should imply.
I wasn't trolling. I thought it was pretty funny and thought others might get a laugh out of it.
So now you're talking about spamming and trying to get a rise out of people. Pretty sure that's against the rules as well.
What is your problem?
How is it against the rules to try and get people to laugh? I don't see any negative comments in this thread. People seem to be engaged in a friendly discussion.
You didn't have to post here you know.
Edit: When did I say anything about spamming? Counting the OP, this was my third post in the thread and I didn't say anyone else was spamming.
I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
Admiral: "Did you really just file a report that you destroyed the Greek God Apollo?"
Kirk: "Yes, sir."
Admiral: "Hogwash. No more BS in the official reports."
Kirk: I guess I should mention I just met Abraham Lincoln."
Admiral:"Get out...now."
I guess that's why we got no end game connie.......cause somebody thinks it's the devil? LoL
Probably Starfleet Command, circa 2268 or so - after all, they're the ones who had to deal with all the reports of Kirk's... shenanigans, shall we say...
Seriously though, it makes sense if one considers that even though STO classifies them both as 'Light Cruisers', in TOS/the movies, while the Miranda was a 'Light Cruiser', the Constitution-class was a 'Starship' or full 'Cruiser', so it'd have just that touch more to it.
NCC 1701 Frigate Class. Any warp capable vessel is considered a "starship". The only cruisers in TOS, were Klingon battlecruisers.
As noted above, the Constitution-class ships were regarded as heavy cruisers, not frigates - those would have been the Saladin-class (data from Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual). The Saladin was similar to the Kelvin from the '09 movie, although not identical.
In the centuries since, with the introduction of the Excelsior-, Ambassador-, Galaxy-, and Sovereign-classes, the bar for "heavy cruiser" has been moved a tad...
I wasn't trolling. I thought it was pretty funny and thought others might get a laugh out of it.
So now you're talking about spamming and trying to get a rise out of people. Pretty sure that's against the rules as well.
What is your problem?
How is it against the rules to try and get people to laugh? I don't see any negative comments in this thread. People seem to be engaged in a friendly discussion.
You didn't have to post here you know.
Edit: When did I say anything about spamming? Counting the OP, this was my third post in the thread and I didn't say anyone else was spamming.
Drink some coffee before getting on the internet.
Don't worry about me. I am just trying to teach you about infractions on these forums, and perhaps you won't repeat your mistakes. You should listen when people are trying to help you out .
Edit: The move to 10 forward was an excellent idea.
What infractions? I still don't get what you're talking about.
I was working on claiming and dismissing c-store ships when I accidentally discharged my T5 Fleet Avenger Battlecruiser instead of the c-store version. Since my dumbass wasn't paying attention I have no idea if it had equipment I wanted to keep. I had claimed the ToS connie to get the admirality token first, since I claimed ships in order by tier. I blame the ToS connie for my mistake. That thing is bad luck.
Not a big deal though. I'm sure whatever gear was on the ship I could replace eventually, and I haven't used that ship in a rather long time. On the bright side it freed up a ship slot so it made it a little easier to claim the rest of my ships. LOL
It's based on one over on the CO board. That one gets tons more attention then the STO one. More folks, here, like to post to the STO EPIC thread. forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1045466/epic-screenshot-thread-is-epic/p1
I don't see anything wrong with a randomly funny thread now and again. Just don't be surprised if/when that thread out lives it's usefulness and people start using it to post pics of the balls of yarn.
also remember people chekov gave khan the low down where to hit the enterprise so khan knew exactly where to hit her to cripple her.
Not to mention the important fact that Enterprise was forty years old by that time, even the major refit was fifteen years before WoK. While the novelization of WoK mentions Reliant being called "The Old Bucket" by its crew, it's not specifically stated how old she is. The only real references we have are that WoK is 2285 and the Soyuz-class which was similar to the Miranda was withdrawn from service in 2288 (TNG "Cause And Effect") - although we don't know the reason why - and that from the nacelle design Reliant is at least fifteen years old herself (or also underwent a major overhaul around the same time Enterprise).
So it's also safe to assume that we're looking a a ship fifteen years or younger attacking a forty-year-old ship with her shields down...
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
also remember people chekov gave khan the low down where to hit the enterprise so khan knew exactly where to hit her to cripple her.
Not to mention the important fact that Enterprise was forty years old by that time, even the major refit was fifteen years before WoK. While the novelization of WoK mentions Reliant being called "The Old Bucket" by its crew, it's not specifically stated how old she is. The only real references we have are that WoK is 2285 and the Soyuz-class which was similar to the Miranda was withdrawn from service in 2288 (TNG "Cause And Effect") - although we don't know the reason why - and that from the nacelle design Reliant is at least fifteen years old herself (or also underwent a major overhaul around the same time Enterprise).
So it's also safe to assume that we're looking a a ship fifteen years or younger attacking a forty-year-old ship with her shields down...
the miranda class was around just about as long as the original TOS connies and reliant was a refitted miranda like the enterprise was hence the nickname "Old bucket" she was about as old as the enterprise.
I assume you're referring to FASA's stating that the movie-era Miranda-class is merely a refit of the TOS-era Anton-class?
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
also remember people chekov gave khan the low down where to hit the enterprise so khan knew exactly where to hit her to cripple her.
Not to mention the important fact that Enterprise was forty years old by that time, even the major refit was fifteen years before WoK. While the novelization of WoK mentions Reliant being called "The Old Bucket" by its crew, it's not specifically stated how old she is. The only real references we have are that WoK is 2285 and the Soyuz-class which was similar to the Miranda was withdrawn from service in 2288 (TNG "Cause And Effect") - although we don't know the reason why - and that from the nacelle design Reliant is at least fifteen years old herself (or also underwent a major overhaul around the same time Enterprise).
So it's also safe to assume that we're looking a a ship fifteen years or younger attacking a forty-year-old ship with her shields down...
So, if I understand what you are saying, the Kirk/Khan fight was less this...
also remember people chekov gave khan the low down where to hit the enterprise so khan knew exactly where to hit her to cripple her.
Not to mention the important fact that Enterprise was forty years old by that time, even the major refit was fifteen years before WoK. While the novelization of WoK mentions Reliant being called "The Old Bucket" by its crew, it's not specifically stated how old she is. The only real references we have are that WoK is 2285 and the Soyuz-class which was similar to the Miranda was withdrawn from service in 2288 (TNG "Cause And Effect") - although we don't know the reason why - and that from the nacelle design Reliant is at least fifteen years old herself (or also underwent a major overhaul around the same time Enterprise).
So it's also safe to assume that we're looking a a ship fifteen years or younger attacking a forty-year-old ship with her shields down...
i found a pic of a miranda class from the TOS era this wouldve included reliant as she was one of the first generation mirandas built.
this is not reliant but one of her sisters from the TOS era
so yeah reliant had been around for quite a long time to earn her nickname
This comes from a non-canonical source, I'm afraid. (While I do agree with the argument you're trying to support, the evidence itself is invalid from STO's perspective unless stated otherwise by the devs.)
Nice screenshot, though. I wish that game didn't crash whenever I tried to play multiplayer...
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Assuming the Miranda-Class has a TOS equivalent makes sense, basically a Salladin with two nacelles. Canonically though there's no proof for that. But Axanar did render a nice version of it.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I don't recall the class name, but in the Technical Manual (way back in the '70s) the ship above was supposed to be a tug, as Starfleet at the time was conceived as a combination military force and merchant-marine service. Large cargo containers could be attached between the nacelles, on the underside of the saucer section.
I don't recall the class name, but in the Technical Manual (way back in the '70s) the ship above was supposed to be a tug, as Starfleet at the time was conceived as a combination military force and merchant-marine service. Large cargo containers could be attached between the nacelles, on the underside of the saucer section.
I can see that, I'd love to get my hooves on a TOS TM but those are super rare, I can't even get hold of a pdf. But the concept makes sense, the Miranda itself is a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none kind of ship, able to perform combat as well as supply and survey runs.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
I wasn't trolling. I thought it was pretty funny and thought others might get a laugh out of it.
The Constitution was considered a heavy cruiser in it's heyday.
Actually, if you'll check, you'll find that the TOS Enterprise was specifically stated on its dedication plaque to be "Starship Class", therefore not every warp capable vessel at the time of The Original Series was considered a Starship. Not to mention that, later on, during Wrath of Khan, Kirk specifically says that "Enterprise is the only starship in the quadrant" despite the fact that Reliant is also in the area so either A; Kirk did not know about Reliant being in the area or B; Reliant wasn't classified as a Starship.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Traditionally, the Constitutions have been referred to as 'heavy cruisers', although I can't find a reference specifying where this came from. Although Torg does refer to the Enterprise as "Federation Battle Cruiser" in ST:III.
Edit: An on-screen graphic from the first movie labeled the Enterprise as a "Heavy Cruiser", so there's two refernces.
In ST:II, Kirk didn't know Reliant was in their sector at all, since she wasn't supposed to be in the Regula sector. Also, you have to bear in mind that the term quadrant was used extremely loosely by the writers, oftentimes referring to more localized areas, rather than the geographic quarter of the galaxy that it should imply.
What is your problem?
How is it against the rules to try and get people to laugh? I don't see any negative comments in this thread. People seem to be engaged in a friendly discussion.
You didn't have to post here you know.
Edit: When did I say anything about spamming? Counting the OP, this was my third post in the thread and I didn't say anyone else was spamming.
Drink some coffee before getting on the internet.
LOL no kidding. It's funny 'cause it's true.
In the centuries since, with the introduction of the Excelsior-, Ambassador-, Galaxy-, and Sovereign-classes, the bar for "heavy cruiser" has been moved a tad...
What infractions? I still don't get what you're talking about.
I was working on claiming and dismissing c-store ships when I accidentally discharged my T5 Fleet Avenger Battlecruiser instead of the c-store version.
Not a big deal though. I'm sure whatever gear was on the ship I could replace eventually, and I haven't used that ship in a rather long time. On the bright side it freed up a ship slot so it made it a little easier to claim the rest of my ships. LOL
forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1179442/the-sto-amusing-moments-picture-thread/p1
It's based on one over on the CO board. That one gets tons more attention then the STO one. More folks, here, like to post to the STO EPIC thread.
forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1045466/epic-screenshot-thread-is-epic/p1
I don't see anything wrong with a randomly funny thread now and again. Just don't be surprised if/when that thread out lives it's usefulness and people start using it to post pics of the balls of yarn.
Oops, just did. Sorry!
sir nothing is more evil then "This is admiral leeta of the ISS Enterprise"
Not to mention the important fact that Enterprise was forty years old by that time, even the major refit was fifteen years before WoK. While the novelization of WoK mentions Reliant being called "The Old Bucket" by its crew, it's not specifically stated how old she is. The only real references we have are that WoK is 2285 and the Soyuz-class which was similar to the Miranda was withdrawn from service in 2288 (TNG "Cause And Effect") - although we don't know the reason why - and that from the nacelle design Reliant is at least fifteen years old herself (or also underwent a major overhaul around the same time Enterprise).
So it's also safe to assume that we're looking a a ship fifteen years or younger attacking a forty-year-old ship with her shields down...
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
the miranda class was around just about as long as the original TOS connies and reliant was a refitted miranda like the enterprise was hence the nickname "Old bucket" she was about as old as the enterprise.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
...and more like this...
i found a pic of a miranda class from the TOS era this wouldve included reliant as she was one of the first generation mirandas built.
this is not reliant but one of her sisters from the TOS era
so yeah reliant had been around for quite a long time to earn her nickname
Nice screenshot, though. I wish that game didn't crash whenever I tried to play multiplayer...
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I can see that, I'd love to get my hooves on a TOS TM but those are super rare, I can't even get hold of a pdf. But the concept makes sense, the Miranda itself is a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none kind of ship, able to perform combat as well as supply and survey runs.
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