The only thing it cannot do is use the Tactical escort skins, which is a shame.
Feel the same way.
But despite the phantom there will be a T6 defiant released sooner or later.
When that day comes, i hope the trait is something like "overwhelming force" but boosting cannon abilities.
Overwhelming force is garbage.
Not garbage, but underused since it boosts beam overload and High Yield.
Try overwhelming force with the Gurumba Mk2 and you're sure to change your mind.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
A starship trait that's worthwhile using, though I don't have high hopes for this either, as the actually good traits are reserved for specialty ships and lobi/lockbox.
Something that buffs cannons would be very welcome too, hopefully CRF and not SCV, since the latter would work very poorly for a T6 BoP given it is meant for focused fire raids instead of this AoE-everywhere because someone on the design team likes AoE so much.
Otherwise, given the history of T5 to T6 re-sales, and canon-based ships as opposed to cryptic specialty ships, it'll be sub-par to both the Phantom/Faeht and the Pilots. Not expecting a new specialty seating either, since before that happens, it would have to be demonstrated by specialty ships first to increase appeal of a new specialization and in turn equalize demand/sales for canon-based ships.
Really hoping the BoP if it comes in such a pack will be comparable in superiority as the Scimitar is as a flagship compared to the poor Odyssey and Bortasqu'. That ship needs to shine, or it's game over for KDF, since in my opinion it's the KDF trademark and it's long overdue.
A starship trait that's worthwhile using, though I don't have high hopes for this either, as the actually good traits are reserved for specialty ships and lobi/lockbox.
Something that buffs cannons would be very welcome too, hopefully CRF and not SCV, since the latter would work very poorly for a T6 BoP given it is meant for focused fire raids instead of this AoE-everywhere because someone on the design team likes AoE so much.
Otherwise, given the history of T5 to T6 re-sales, and canon-based ships as opposed to cryptic specialty ships, it'll be sub-par to both the Phantom/Faeht and the Pilots. Not expecting a new specialty seating either, since before that happens, it would have to be demonstrated by specialty ships first to increase appeal of a new specialization and in turn equalize demand/sales for canon-based ships.
Really hoping the BoP if it comes in such a pack will be comparable in superiority as the Scimitar is as a flagship compared to the poor Odyssey and Bortasqu'. That ship needs to shine, or it's game over for KDF, since in my opinion it's the KDF trademark and it's long overdue.
It's going to take a lot to get me to shell out 3000 zen on the same bird I already have, and the trait benefitting CRF would be a good start. Pilot maneuvers would also be a good sized step in the right direction. I can deal with the fact that the other T6 classics don't get the intel/command/pilot shipboard functions, but to not give these attack ships pilot maneuvers would be a waste. The console would have to be an eye opener of one as well. If they're just going to slap a T6 sticker on the side of the hull and call it new, I'll just take my T5U version and go to Undine sphere space when I want to fly a B'rel. If they do decide to NOT BORK the birds of prey, it might also be helpful to get access to all the hull options that are available from Lt to Captain, including at least any zen birds they already have.
Definitely won't happen. It's not a 'pure' pilot ship.
Then it won't sell.
It's a T6 Defiant. It's not a question if it will sell well, but merely how many times conservative estimates will be proven wrong.
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4/3
no pilot maneuvers
no battle cloak
only lt.cmdr pilot
Pilot ships are far more superior...
But i will buy all bundle (Defiant/BoP/T'Varo) if... those ships will have superior starship trait (AHOD or EWC equal)... But im afraid Defiant starship trait will be useless gimmick
it might also be helpful to get access to all the hull options that are available from Lt to Captain, including at least any zen birds they already have.
I hope so, and it would make sense as well, considering there's only 3 BoP consoles that could make set bonuses with whatever the T6 will have to have, as opposed to the usual 'no set bonuses because no consoles to work with.'
Even then I might not bother with the Ning'tao for its skin since the quad cannons don't seem to run off of engine power alone according to the wiki, and set bonuses I don't think offset the console slots with good gear.
and the T'Varo if it offers anything different than the Faeht to make such a 3-pack worth looking at, or just settle for the BoP alone if they do a good job with it.
and the T'Varo if it offers anything different than the Faeht to make such a 3-pack worth looking at, or just settle for the BoP alone if they do a good job with it.
I'd also be moderately interested in the T'Varo, too, if only in anticipation of another recruit event to finally motivate me to make a Romulan since I missed the last one.
If they do decide to NOT BORK the birds of prey, it might also be helpful to get access to all the hull options that are available from Lt to Captain, including at least any zen birds they already have.
Oh Heavens Above, this. Otherwise I'll stick with my Fleet Norgh, I think.
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--Red Annorax
Depending on what the starship mastery is I may or may not get it. If they make the quad cannons part of a set - I'm using the quads on my peregrine so maybe I would get it for that.
I don't see myself flying it for the sake of actually using it though. I would just be out for the mastery or potential set pieces.
Definitely won't happen. It's not a 'pure' pilot ship.
Then it won't sell.
Oh, T6 Defiant will still sell, despite it being inferior to even certain, already existing T6 Fed Escorts. It will sell because it is the Defiant.
The Phantom is everything the T6 Defiant should have been. But it didn't sell as well. I'd like to say because it didn't have Defiant skins on it was one reason. People were not fond of the Intel ship visuals.
The T6 Galaxy, Galaxy-X sold very well despite the presence of a far superior Fed TAC Cruiser: The T6 Eclipse.
Just because a ship doesn't have "Game Toppling Stats" does not mean it will not sell. Do not underestimate how Star Trek fans value canon designs, either.
the defiant needs to have 3 command hybrid seats to convince us the command abilities are best, specially on an escort that commanded the dominion war pretty much.
tbh, it probably wont be anything we want, this way we can start the "why do you hate the defiant" thread.
A special console such as a wicked attack maneuver, or damaging ability.
Thats good for me to be a buyer.
Pilot maneuvers are nice frosting on the cake but I dont see it happening.
It's supposedly going to be part of a 3-pack along with a T6 B'Rel and T6 T'Varo, so:
Cross-Faction Scoutship Bundle
The key features assigned to this pack will be reliability, flexibility, and stealth. This will be handled in the same way the Lance, hangar, and either separation/transformation was assigned to the previous Cross-Faction Dreadnought Pack; missing characteristics will be added if no option had been previously present.
To answer long-time complaints about boff setup, and to make it fit in better with the equivalent designs, the Defiant's current Lt Cmdr Tac/None will become a true Universal/Universal seat, bringing the T6 Defiant closer to the B'Rel and T'Varo in terms of flexibility. This True Universal will otherwise remain restricted to Raider class ships, if any are to be released in the future, cementing the Defiant's special place in the Federation lineup. Rather than gaining a second Lt Cmdr seat, the Ens Tac/None seat will be upgraded to a Lt Universal/None seat, further highlighting the flexibility of these ships. Like its predecessors, however, the console layout will remain heavily Tac-focused, and its stealth capability will rely on the Cloaking Device and a new 3-piece set bonus.
This increased flexibility will also apply to the T'Varo, which will upgrade its Lt Cmdr Universal/None to a Lt Cmdr Universal/Universal and Ens Tac/None to a Lt Universal/None. This will remain closest to its original design, as it originally possessed all three of the relevant characteristics. Console layout will remain split across Tac/Sci, though still fairly balanced overall. It will also need to rely on its 3-piece set bonus to approach the durability of the Defiant.
To answer long-time complaints about too many design concessions and general squishiness, the B'Rel will gain a modicum of durability in the form of a .9 Shield Mod to match the other two designs, with the unspoken reason being that it doesn't make a difference when cloaked anyway, and thus minimizes the impact on overall balance. In addition, it will also gain its missing boff seat at Lt Universal/None and, like the T'Varo, it will upgrade a Lt Cmdr Universal/None to a Universal/Universal. However, it will retain its 4/2 payload, and despite improvements to its Shield Mod will have the lowest hull of the three designs. Console layout will remain split across Tac/Eng, though still fairly balanced overall. It will share set bonuses with the T'Varo, but will be even more reliant on these bonuses to improve durability due to its low base hull, while that same lower base hull necessitates heavier use of the boost to incoming hull healing.
<The New Shiny> (but with a better name)
To reflect the need of a Scoutship to be able to evade pursuit, this console will allow use of pseudo-Pilot Maneuvers when equipped, but these Maneuvers will grant a large Defense Bonus rather than total damage immunity. In addition, its Scoutship functionalty will grant a small passive increase to Defense, the Starship Attack Patterns Skill, and the Starship Sensors Skill.
Only be equippable on Defiant, B'Rel, and T'Varo variants.
Defiant 3-piece Set
Phaser Quad Cannons, Cloaking Device, <The New Shiny>
This will break precedent, with the Cloaking Device applying to both the Dreadnought Cruiser and Tactical Escort sets. This overlap will not benefit the T6 Defiant due to the restrictions on equipping Supplemental Subsystems, but will be an added potential bonus for the Yamato.
2-piece set bonus: +10% to Energy Weapon Damage, to match the T'Varo's current 2-piece with Projectiles
3-piece set bonus: Enables the use of the Cloaking Device console and Mask Energy Signature boff ability while at Red Alert.
T'Varo 3-piece Set
Singularity Stabilizer, Plasma Destabilizer, <The New Shiny>
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
B'Rel 3-piece Set
Enhanced Induction Coils, <Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher>, <The New Shiny>
A new Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher will be added to the T5 B'Rel Retrofit to create a full set, with the unspoken reason being to promote continued sales of that ship (unlike Fed/Rom offerings, the T5 B'Rel otherwise lacks the weapon/console to do so) now that the T6 B'Rel supplants it entirely in terms of performance. Taking the simplest possible route, this is a copy/paste of the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher from the T5 Sovereign, though Photon flavored (6 sec cooldown, lower damage per hit, higher overall DPS, and no ship restrictions). It will only be available on the C-Store T5 B'Rel Retrofit, not the Fleet version, and players that currently have that ship will need to dismiss and reclaim it in order to gain this new weapon.
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
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I agree that any new Defiant class will sell no matter the stats because it is the defiant. I also agree that most of the T6 upgrades to a lot of the older ships have been under whelming. The only reasons that I feel the Defiant may have a chance to be a substantial upgrade in a T6 variant over the T5 fleet version are that it seems somebody at cryptic seems to like the ship, a lot of the player base would give up a kidney for a true monster Defiant class ship, and the plot line in the game right now, where not only is the war over, the fleet needs to rebuild with limited resources, but now the very militaristic mirror universe is attacking and they beat the iconians, we gave them a ball to play with.
I know on a personal level I would open my wallet pretty fast for a T6 Defiant, but I don't want to be disappointed. The Defiant always deserved 5 forward weapons. I would give up a science console slot for a third rear weapon slot. The ship was always meant as a pure combat vessel, as a result weapons and suitability should be the top considerations. The T6 Fleet version of the ship should have 5 tac consoles, 2 science consoles and 4 engineering consoles.
I'd love to see the duel quantum torpedo launcher, another 360 degree phaser array, a multi piece gear set with the quads, quantums, 360 phaser array and cloak where all 4 grant a battle cloak, and a starship trait called salvage the ship, where 1 time every 10 minutes you got a free "miracle worker" use that kicks the ship back to 100%
To reflect the need of a Scoutship to be able to evade pursuit, this console will allow use of pseudo-Pilot Maneuvers when equipped, but these Maneuvers will grant a large Defense Bonus rather than total damage immunity. In addition, its Scoutship functionalty will grant a small passive increase to Defense, the Starship Attack Patterns Skill, and the Starship Sensors Skill.
Only be equippable on Defiant, B'Rel, and T'Varo variants.
Defiant 3-piece Set
Phaser Quad Cannons, Cloaking Device, <The New Shiny>
This will break precedent, with the Cloaking Device applying to both the Dreadnought Cruiser and Tactical Escort sets. This overlap will not benefit the T6 Defiant due to restrictions on the restrictions on equipping Supplemental Subsystems, but will be an added potential bonus for the Yamato.
2-piece set bonus: +10% to Energy Weapon Damage, to match the T'Varo's current 2-piece with Projectiles
3-piece set bonus: Enables the use of the Cloaking Device console and Mask Energy Signature boff ability while at Red Alert.
T'Varo 3-piece Set
Singularity Stabilizer, Plasma Destabilizer, <The New Shiny>
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
B'Rel 3-piece Set
Enhanced Induction Coils, <Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher>, <The New Shiny>
A new Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher will be added to the T5 B'Rel Retrofit to create a full set, with the unspoken reason being to promote continued sales of that ship (unlike Fed/Rom offerings, the T5 B'Rel otherwise lacks the weapon/console to do so) now that the T6 B'Rel supplants it entirely in terms of performance. Taking the simplest possible route, this is a copy/paste of the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher from the T5 Sovereign, though Photon flavored (6 sec cooldown, lower damage per hit, higher overall DPS, and no ship restrictions). It will only be available on the C-Store T5 B'Rel Retrofit, not the Fleet version, and players that currently have that ship will need to dismiss and reclaim it in order to gain this new weapon.
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
Other than the hull healing aspects, which don't fit to me, these sound plausible and good, other than they probably won't add something to the B'Rel at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if they "forget" about the enhanced induction coil for a set piece...
Here's what I'd like to see on the new T6 Defiant:
-Defiant Arsenal Set-
-Elite Quad Phaser Cannon [Ac/Dm] CrtD]x2 [CrtH] [Rapid] -- any stats other than the usual [Dmg]x4 garbage. This item is unique (only one may be equipped on any ship).
-Heavy Phaser Lance (from the Intel Phantom Escort)
-Temporal Battle Cloak - Universal Console -- increases non-BOFF power recharge speeds by 10% while cloak is active. All other functions are identical to standard battle cloaks
-Heavy Quantum Torpedo Launcher -- Higher damage quantum torpedo, 10 seconds recharge time, 5% chance to disable target for 2 seconds.
2 Set Pieces: Increase phaser energy weapon and quantum torpedo damage by +10%
3 Set Pieces: Reduce all cannon damage drop-off due to range by 50%
4 Set Pieces: 5% chance for all ship cannons to gain Rapid Fire I for 10 seconds. 5% chance for equipped torpedo launchers to get High-Yield 3. Each ability can proc only once every 60 seconds.
It will be either 4/3 or 5/2, but will not be 5/3.
Personally, I think if it doesn't have access Pilot Maneuvers (not BoFF skills, the Pilot ship mechanic) then it's pretty much dead in the water and good only for the skin.
In my opinion, Pilot Escorts are the Gold Standard now. Everything without them, falls short of the mark. It would be a horrible waste to release a T6 Defiant without Pilot Maneuvers.
This. 100% This. Squared. To the nth power. Times infinity.... and beyond.
I just want 5/2 weapons layout. Pilot seat would be a great bonus, but the defiant needs to be a real warship and a real warship has 5 forward weapons.
To reflect the need of a Scoutship to be able to evade pursuit, this console will allow use of pseudo-Pilot Maneuvers when equipped, but these Maneuvers will grant a large Defense Bonus rather than total damage immunity. In addition, its Scoutship functionalty will grant a small passive increase to Defense, the Starship Attack Patterns Skill, and the Starship Sensors Skill.
Only be equippable on Defiant, B'Rel, and T'Varo variants.
Defiant 3-piece Set
Phaser Quad Cannons, Cloaking Device, <The New Shiny>
This will break precedent, with the Cloaking Device applying to both the Dreadnought Cruiser and Tactical Escort sets. This overlap will not benefit the T6 Defiant due to the restrictions on equipping Supplemental Subsystems, but will be an added potential bonus for the Yamato.
2-piece set bonus: +10% to Energy Weapon Damage, to match the T'Varo's current 2-piece with Projectiles
3-piece set bonus: Enables the use of the Cloaking Device console and Mask Energy Signature boff ability while at Red Alert.
T'Varo 3-piece Set
Singularity Stabilizer, Plasma Destabilizer, <The New Shiny>
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
B'Rel 3-piece Set
Enhanced Induction Coils, <Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher>, <The New Shiny>
A new Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher will be added to the T5 B'Rel Retrofit to create a full set, with the unspoken reason being to promote continued sales of that ship (unlike Fed/Rom offerings, the T5 B'Rel otherwise lacks the weapon/console to do so) now that the T6 B'Rel supplants it entirely in terms of performance. Taking the simplest possible route, this is a copy/paste of the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher from the T5 Sovereign, though Photon flavored (6 sec cooldown, lower damage per hit, higher overall DPS, and no ship restrictions). It will only be available on the C-Store T5 B'Rel Retrofit, not the Fleet version, and players that currently have that ship will need to dismiss and reclaim it in order to gain this new weapon.
2-piece set bonus: +10% Projectile Damage
3-piece set bonus: +10% Bonus Hull and Hull Healing received.
Other than the hull healing aspects, which don't fit to me, these sound plausible and good, other than they probably won't add something to the B'Rel at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if they "forget" about the enhanced induction coil for a set piece...
Here's a bit of my reasoning with those:
The Hull Healing received aspect was mostly to ensure that hull values for the T'Varo cannot meet or exceed those of the Defiant via the bonus, while still adding overall durability and reflecting the fact that both the B'Rel and T'Varo are very old designs; that would make them easier to maintain and repair due to a vast amount of experience doing so.
The addition of the Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher to the T5 B'Rel Retrofit is a simple means of retaining sales. Since it currently lacks any weapon or console to motivate continued sales or contribute to a set bonus, and has the same level requirement of a T6 ship, the T5 B'Rel would become a wasted asset upon the launch of a T6 version. Adding a copy/paste of the T5 Sovereign's special weapon and including it in the B'Rotlh/B'Rel set allows the company to create an incentive for us to buy that ship despite its obsolescence with a minimum of effort. Even better, since that weapon is not ship restricted it could even promote sales outside of the BoP niche.
While they have shown an incredible ability to "forget" about ways of providing set bonuses to KDF designs, denying KDF players any set bonus while breaking precedent and allowing Fed players overlapping bonuses from the same console is a level of Targ TRIBBLE that I really don't want to attribute to the dev team unless it happens. Given the available set components from Tactical Escort variants, we can be fairly certain that the Cloaking Device will indeed break precedent in that manner. Plus, this is a monetization issue... I just don't see them forgetting about the Enhanced Induction Coils, and adding some continued reason to buy the T5 B'Rel really is a critical consideration as the T6 version is launched.
To answer the unasked question:
My possible set bonus for the Defiant has its own very special benefit: While MES takes a boff seat and the set takes weapon/console space, MES doesn't disable shields and has a doff specifically tailored to improving its performance; the ability to use it in combat would allow Defiant pilots to make some tradeoffs in exchange for gaining survivability that the older T'Varo and B'Rel simply cannot achieve. It's a powerful ability, but it is an intentional counterbalance to the Enhanced Battle Cloak of the other two designs. Oh, and it incidentally serves to add value to the MES doff and its related doff pack; monetization is again something the devs might consider when making these design decisions.
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I want it to be terrible so that I can watch the forums burn.
It likely will be. It'll get Pilot as it's thing.
It will also likely get either the Pathfinder Layout in Tac/Pilot, or the Andromeda Layout in Tac/Pilot. I'm leaning towards the former since unlike the Galaxy -> Andromeda, the Defiant's old seating was already viable, if somewhat Tac-heavy.
Regardless, it's going to sell. It's the Defiant. It's likely going to be paired with the T6 BoP. That's 2 out of 3 ships that have been widely demanded. And there's likely going to be an X-Faction bundle that will effectively give the T'Varo for free.
So it will sell. It just won't do as well as a proper ship like the Phantom and Faeht or the Pilot ships, or whatever new Specialist ships arrive with this expansion/season.
Here's what I'd like to see on the new T6 Defiant:
-Defiant Arsenal Set-
-Elite Quad Phaser Cannon [Ac/Dm] CrtD]x2 [CrtH] [Rapid] -- any stats other than the usual [Dmg]x4 garbage. This item is unique (only one may be equipped on any ship).
-Heavy Phaser Lance (from the Intel Phantom Escort)
-Temporal Battle Cloak - Universal Console -- increases non-BOFF power recharge speeds by 10% while cloak is active. All other functions are identical to standard battle cloaks
-Heavy Quantum Torpedo Launcher -- Higher damage quantum torpedo, 10 seconds recharge time, 5% chance to disable target for 2 seconds.
2 Set Pieces: Increase phaser energy weapon and quantum torpedo damage by +10%
3 Set Pieces: Reduce all cannon damage drop-off due to range by 50%
4 Set Pieces: 5% chance for all ship cannons to gain Rapid Fire I for 10 seconds. 5% chance for equipped torpedo launchers to get High-Yield 3. Each ability can proc only once every 60 seconds.
Yeah, one can dream....
Interpretation: You want a ship with a 'Q' console that grants the 'Ultimate I Win x4' ability when the Captain clicks his fingers.
Embassy Console Plasma Explosions with crits enabled?
As much as I would love to see T6 Defiant/BoP getting Pilot Maneuvers, I have a feeling that Cryptic won't do it. They didn't extend the Inspiration mechanic to any ships besides the Command cruisers and I don't believe they will extend Pilot Maneuvers either.
On the other hand, I could see them extending Inspiration to the T6 versions of the flagships so perhaps getting Pilot Maneuvers on the Defiant/BoP/Light Warbird isn't too far-fetched.
And I would very much like to see a Defiant set much like the Pathfinder got, and a similar bundle too. I'd buy that in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY if the T6 Defiant got Pilot Maneuvers.
I do expect a T6 Defiant to get both Pilot and Intel BOFF seating and will be somewhat disappointed if it doesn't. Say, LtC Pilot/Tac and Lt Intel/Sci?
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Not garbage, but underused since it boosts beam overload and High Yield.
Try overwhelming force with the Gurumba Mk2 and you're sure to change your mind.
Something that buffs cannons would be very welcome too, hopefully CRF and not SCV, since the latter would work very poorly for a T6 BoP given it is meant for focused fire raids instead of this AoE-everywhere because someone on the design team likes AoE so much.
Otherwise, given the history of T5 to T6 re-sales, and canon-based ships as opposed to cryptic specialty ships, it'll be sub-par to both the Phantom/Faeht and the Pilots. Not expecting a new specialty seating either, since before that happens, it would have to be demonstrated by specialty ships first to increase appeal of a new specialization and in turn equalize demand/sales for canon-based ships.
Really hoping the BoP if it comes in such a pack will be comparable in superiority as the Scimitar is as a flagship compared to the poor Odyssey and Bortasqu'. That ship needs to shine, or it's game over for KDF, since in my opinion it's the KDF trademark and it's long overdue.
2pc synergy: +30% to cannons, +5% to hull hp
3pc synergy: battle cloak (its canon)
Dual quantum torpedo launcher, unfused (its canon)
A special console such as a wicked attack maneuver, or damaging ability.
Thats good for me to be a buyer.
Pilot maneuvers are nice frosting on the cake but I dont see it happening.
It's going to take a lot to get me to shell out 3000 zen on the same bird I already have, and the trait benefitting CRF would be a good start. Pilot maneuvers would also be a good sized step in the right direction. I can deal with the fact that the other T6 classics don't get the intel/command/pilot shipboard functions, but to not give these attack ships pilot maneuvers would be a waste. The console would have to be an eye opener of one as well. If they're just going to slap a T6 sticker on the side of the hull and call it new, I'll just take my T5U version and go to Undine sphere space when I want to fly a B'rel. If they do decide to NOT BORK the birds of prey, it might also be helpful to get access to all the hull options that are available from Lt to Captain, including at least any zen birds they already have.
Then it won't sell.
It's a T6 Defiant. It's not a question if it will sell well, but merely how many times conservative estimates will be proven wrong.
Anyway, a free upgrade for those who already bought the T5 version in the C store. Not talking about a T5U token but a discount or some sort.
no pilot maneuvers
no battle cloak
only lt.cmdr pilot
Pilot ships are far more superior...
But i will buy all bundle (Defiant/BoP/T'Varo) if... those ships will have superior starship trait (AHOD or EWC equal)... But im afraid Defiant starship trait will be useless gimmick
Even then I might not bother with the Ning'tao for its skin since the quad cannons don't seem to run off of engine power alone according to the wiki, and set bonuses I don't think offset the console slots with good gear.
and the T'Varo if it offers anything different than the Faeht to make such a 3-pack worth looking at, or just settle for the BoP alone if they do a good job with it.
I'd also be moderately interested in the T'Varo, too, if only in anticipation of another recruit event to finally motivate me to make a Romulan since I missed the last one.
--Red Annorax
I don't see myself flying it for the sake of actually using it though. I would just be out for the mastery or potential set pieces.
Oh, T6 Defiant will still sell, despite it being inferior to even certain, already existing T6 Fed Escorts. It will sell because it is the Defiant.
The Phantom is everything the T6 Defiant should have been. But it didn't sell as well. I'd like to say because it didn't have Defiant skins on it was one reason. People were not fond of the Intel ship visuals.
The T6 Galaxy, Galaxy-X sold very well despite the presence of a far superior Fed TAC Cruiser: The T6 Eclipse.
Just because a ship doesn't have "Game Toppling Stats" does not mean it will not sell. Do not underestimate how Star Trek fans value canon designs, either.
tbh, it probably wont be anything we want, this way we can start the "why do you hate the defiant" thread.
It's supposedly going to be part of a 3-pack along with a T6 B'Rel and T6 T'Varo, so:
Cross-Faction Scoutship Bundle
<The New Shiny> (but with a better name)
Defiant 3-piece Set
T'Varo 3-piece Set
B'Rel 3-piece Set
I know on a personal level I would open my wallet pretty fast for a T6 Defiant, but I don't want to be disappointed. The Defiant always deserved 5 forward weapons. I would give up a science console slot for a third rear weapon slot. The ship was always meant as a pure combat vessel, as a result weapons and suitability should be the top considerations. The T6 Fleet version of the ship should have 5 tac consoles, 2 science consoles and 4 engineering consoles.
I'd love to see the duel quantum torpedo launcher, another 360 degree phaser array, a multi piece gear set with the quads, quantums, 360 phaser array and cloak where all 4 grant a battle cloak, and a starship trait called salvage the ship, where 1 time every 10 minutes you got a free "miracle worker" use that kicks the ship back to 100%
Other than the hull healing aspects, which don't fit to me, these sound plausible and good, other than they probably won't add something to the B'Rel at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if they "forget" about the enhanced induction coil for a set piece...
-Defiant Arsenal Set-
-Elite Quad Phaser Cannon [Ac/Dm] CrtD]x2 [CrtH] [Rapid] -- any stats other than the usual [Dmg]x4 garbage. This item is unique (only one may be equipped on any ship).
-Heavy Phaser Lance (from the Intel Phantom Escort)
-Temporal Battle Cloak - Universal Console -- increases non-BOFF power recharge speeds by 10% while cloak is active. All other functions are identical to standard battle cloaks
-Heavy Quantum Torpedo Launcher -- Higher damage quantum torpedo, 10 seconds recharge time, 5% chance to disable target for 2 seconds.
2 Set Pieces: Increase phaser energy weapon and quantum torpedo damage by +10%
3 Set Pieces: Reduce all cannon damage drop-off due to range by 50%
4 Set Pieces: 5% chance for all ship cannons to gain Rapid Fire I for 10 seconds. 5% chance for equipped torpedo launchers to get High-Yield 3. Each ability can proc only once every 60 seconds.
Yeah, one can dream....
This. 100% This. Squared. To the nth power. Times infinity.... and beyond.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Here's a bit of my reasoning with those:
- The Hull Healing received aspect was mostly to ensure that hull values for the T'Varo cannot meet or exceed those of the Defiant via the bonus, while still adding overall durability and reflecting the fact that both the B'Rel and T'Varo are very old designs; that would make them easier to maintain and repair due to a vast amount of experience doing so.
- The addition of the Wide-Angle Photon Torpedo Launcher to the T5 B'Rel Retrofit is a simple means of retaining sales. Since it currently lacks any weapon or console to motivate continued sales or contribute to a set bonus, and has the same level requirement of a T6 ship, the T5 B'Rel would become a wasted asset upon the launch of a T6 version. Adding a copy/paste of the T5 Sovereign's special weapon and including it in the B'Rotlh/B'Rel set allows the company to create an incentive for us to buy that ship despite its obsolescence with a minimum of effort. Even better, since that weapon is not ship restricted it could even promote sales outside of the BoP niche.
- While they have shown an incredible ability to "forget" about ways of providing set bonuses to KDF designs, denying KDF players any set bonus while breaking precedent and allowing Fed players overlapping bonuses from the same console is a level of Targ TRIBBLE that I really don't want to attribute to the dev team unless it happens. Given the available set components from Tactical Escort variants, we can be fairly certain that the Cloaking Device will indeed break precedent in that manner. Plus, this is a monetization issue... I just don't see them forgetting about the Enhanced Induction Coils, and adding some continued reason to buy the T5 B'Rel really is a critical consideration as the T6 version is launched.
To answer the unasked question:It likely will be. It'll get Pilot as it's thing.
It will also likely get either the Pathfinder Layout in Tac/Pilot, or the Andromeda Layout in Tac/Pilot. I'm leaning towards the former since unlike the Galaxy -> Andromeda, the Defiant's old seating was already viable, if somewhat Tac-heavy.
Regardless, it's going to sell. It's the Defiant. It's likely going to be paired with the T6 BoP. That's 2 out of 3 ships that have been widely demanded. And there's likely going to be an X-Faction bundle that will effectively give the T'Varo for free.
So it will sell. It just won't do as well as a proper ship like the Phantom and Faeht or the Pilot ships, or whatever new Specialist ships arrive with this expansion/season.
Embassy Console Plasma Explosions with crits enabled?
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
On the other hand, I could see them extending Inspiration to the T6 versions of the flagships so perhaps getting Pilot Maneuvers on the Defiant/BoP/Light Warbird isn't too far-fetched.
And I would very much like to see a Defiant set much like the Pathfinder got, and a similar bundle too. I'd buy that in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY if the T6 Defiant got Pilot Maneuvers.
I do expect a T6 Defiant to get both Pilot and Intel BOFF seating and will be somewhat disappointed if it doesn't. Say, LtC Pilot/Tac and Lt Intel/Sci?
I'd so make it Ben Sisko's Mutha-f*(k!n' Pimp-Hand!
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.