I want it to be terrible so that I can watch the forums burn.
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On Todays Episode of
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The new T6 defiant is a total waste and so the DPS league rages on the forum to have it fixed only to be met with silence.
On next weeks episode someone will incite a forum riot trendy will be forced to pull out her mega ultrasuperlative bazooka to quell the riot only to find someone stuffed it with 7 different cheeses and a ham
I do expect a T6 Defiant to get both Pilot and Intel BOFF seating and will be somewhat disappointed if it doesn't. Say, LtC Pilot/Tac and Lt Intel/Sci?
I would rather see Pilot and Command abilities on the Defiant. Frankly speaking it fits the role the ship held in the show far more for her to be able to call for Emergency Artillery, call on where to concentrate firepower, and setting the Phalanx Formation, and rally locations are all hallmarks of how the Defiant acted during the Cardassian War.
The Pilot skills, and maneuvers are also hallmark, to how the defiant and it's class have acted in the past, (specifically we have seen her do Thruster Rolls, and what likely became Lock Trajectory in-game.
I'd like to see the dev blog say that anyone who purchases the T6 Defiant pack will get a season pass on all future Defiant variants/upgrades/sidegrades/whatever for the lifetime of the game.
I do expect a T6 Defiant to get both Pilot and Intel BOFF seating and will be somewhat disappointed if it doesn't. Say, LtC Pilot/Tac and Lt Intel/Sci?
I would rather see Pilot and Command abilities on the Defiant. Frankly speaking it fits the role the ship held in the show far more for her to be able to call for Emergency Artillery, call on where to concentrate firepower, and setting the Phalanx Formation, and rally locations are all hallmarks of how the Defiant acted during the Cardassian War.
The Pilot skills, and maneuvers are also hallmark, to how the defiant and it's class have acted in the past, (specifically we have seen her do Thruster Rolls, and what likely became Lock Trajectory in-game.
Honestly, give me the T6 vet destroyer console and BOFF layout, with a built-in battle cloak, and I will be positively ecstactic. Giddy, even. Baked-in pilot abilities would almost be too much joy.
Here's what I'd like to see on the new T6 Defiant:
-Defiant Arsenal Set-
-Elite Quad Phaser Cannon [Ac/Dm] CrtD]x2 [CrtH] [Rapid] -- any stats other than the usual [Dmg]x4 garbage. This item is unique (only one may be equipped on any ship).
-Heavy Phaser Lance (from the Intel Phantom Escort)
-Temporal Battle Cloak - Universal Console -- increases non-BOFF power recharge speeds by 10% while cloak is active. All other functions are identical to standard battle cloaks
-Heavy Quantum Torpedo Launcher -- Higher damage quantum torpedo, 10 seconds recharge time, 5% chance to disable target for 2 seconds.
2 Set Pieces: Increase phaser energy weapon and quantum torpedo damage by +10%
3 Set Pieces: Reduce all cannon damage drop-off due to range by 50%
4 Set Pieces: 5% chance for all ship cannons to gain Rapid Fire I for 10 seconds. 5% chance for equipped torpedo launchers to get High-Yield 3. Each ability can proc only once every 60 seconds.
Yeah, one can dream....
Interpretation: You want a ship with a 'Q' console that grants the 'Ultimate I Win x4' ability when the Captain clicks his fingers.
Nope, just these objectives:
1) a decent phaser based space weapon set that specifically boosts phaser damage. Other energy weapon types already enjoy how many damage-boosting sets?
2) a set that specifically benefits phaser cannons and the Defiant's canonical set-up from DS9
None of the proposed new gear nor set powers are game-breaking, so how they can be considered an "I-Win" button is pretty funny given how Kemocite-Laced-Weapons currently behave.
Edit: If the set gear needs toning down, then
1) Get rid of the [Ac/Dm] modifier from the proposed quad cannons, but leave them upgradable
2) Get rid of the extra quantum torpedo damage bonus from the 2 piece space set bonus.
Honestly, give me the T6 vet destroyer console and BOFF layout, with a built-in battle cloak, and I will be positively ecstactic. Giddy, even. Baked-in pilot abilities would almost be too much joy.
The T6 Manticore is a nice ship, though I am not sure if Cryptic will just re-skin it for the general masses given that it is an exclusive reward for life-timers and long-time gold subs.
I want it to be terrible so that I can watch the forums burn.
This is my hope aswell
On Todays Episode of
As The Forum Burns
The new T6 defiant is a total waste and so the DPS league rages on the forum to have it fixed only to be met with silence.
On next weeks episode someone will incite a forum riot trendy will be forced to pull out her mega ultrasuperlative bazooka to quell the riot only to find someone stuffed it with 7 different cheeses and a ham
The DPS League guys won't be upset if the T6 Defiant sucks. If anything, they already have the ship they want to attain the DPS they rank with.
A terrible T6 Defiant is really only going to annoy the guys that simply wanted the ship in T6 status.
Honestly, give me the T6 vet destroyer console and BOFF layout, with a built-in battle cloak, and I will be positively ecstactic. Giddy, even. Baked-in pilot abilities would almost be too much joy.
The T6 Manticore is a nice ship, though I am not sure if Cryptic will just re-skin it for the general masses given that it is an exclusive reward for life-timers and long-time gold subs.
The reason I hold out hope is that the T5 Chimera had a nearly identical console/BOFF layout as the T5F Defiant.
If it doesnt have a battle cloak in some way ill be extremely butt hurt and will reconsider my purchase.
And sadly it wont. The forums will burn with rage, dissapointment and sadness.
By looking at the patterns in the matrix, the T6 defiant, T6 Brrel and T6 T'varo will have actually intel spec.
Generaly, hybrid seats are not the ones that are getting upgraded, and, again generaly, it goes like tac/intel, eng/command and sci/pilot.
Thus the T6 defiant will have 4/3 weapon layout, consoles same as Fleet T5-U, and boff stations:
Commander Tac
Lt.Comm hybrid Tac/Intel
Lt.Comm Eng
Lt. Sci
Ens Uni.
Set bonus (from 3 items: quad cannons, cloak console and T6 console):
2pc: +10% phaser dmg and +30 energy weapon skill (wich remain to be seen, cuz of parity, if it will be a Cat2 buff as the roms have with their 2pc set that includes the plasma quad cannons). Think will be Cat2 since it must bring something extra after the Phantom got a +15% phaser dmg passive boost on the lance console, wich is a cat1 buff tho.
3pc: that trait from one of the rom ships that upon cloaking, it spawns a decoy. This will be the most useless thing ever, since, in order to cloak, the ship must be out of combat, wich usually will happend when NO SHIPS will be arround... so that decoy will be for what??? Anyway, to deny the battlecloak to a single friking ship, wich sacrifices 2 console slots + weapon slot and it forces the player to use a specific energy type, will be a slap in the face of the fed players.
Now, the ship will sell becouse, stat wise, will be good (OSS 3 lol), a designed competitor for the Phantom. But, I say again, it will be really dissapointing and sad becouse it wont have a battlecloak
The KDF will most likely get allmost same thing console set wise: disruptor quads from ning'tao bop and, becouse the B'rel doenst have its own console, the subspace jump console from ch'tang bop and with the 2pc set in disruptor flavor. But here, same as it was for the romulans as starship trait, the 3rd pc ability will make sense since it will have a battle cloak, enhanced one most likely, but a battlecloak non the less. It will allow to escape the enemy and fool him right in the middle of the combat... wich wont be the case for the fed version.
The roms have allready 2 pc set, so 3rd set will probably be Overwhelming force or something.
Unfortunately I do agree that most people will land up being unhappy with the defiant unless it gets a serious upgrade. The galaxy class got the upgrades most people were happy with after dozens of threads, this might help get a defiant most people want.
No, it won't. T6 defiant was set in stone about 9 months ago
I hope they find a way to make the Quad Phasers better. Give them canon sounds, get rid of the engine energy level reduction or give it another benefit in turn. (Maybe -10 engine power, but a bit of extra damage buff based on engine power? Doesn't really have to be much, -10 engine power doesn't really hurt anyone, but a penalty needs to be compensated in some way.)
A Cloak + Quad Phaser + [whatever new console] synergy benefit seems likely to happen.
I hope they take their lesson from the Prometheus and turn the Ensign Tactical in a Universal slot. I expect the Lt.Engineering slot will be upgraded to Lt.Cmdr. Seems unlikely that it would be science.
The wet dream would be Pilot Ship abilities, but that also seems very unlikely. No precedent for giving pre-existing ships spec ship abilities.
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I would love to see a few things on the Defiant class and it's cross faction counterparts.
1. Pilot seats.
2. 5 forward weapons
3. 3 rear weapons
4. a set combination of the quad cannons, cloak and a special overpowered warp core for the class of ships.
I'm just courious as to what everyone thinks/wants out of the ships.
Pilot seating is almost guaranteed. But I think that 5/3 setup is a tad unrealistic for this ship, to be perfectly honest. 5 fore and 3 aft has never been done by an Escort before(before anyone says it, the Scimitar is a Warbird and a Dreadnought on top of that, not an Escort). It'll most likely be 4/3 like its T5 version, as all T6 versions of T5 ships/retrofits have matched said T5 versions.
I personally would want to see screen-accurate dual quantum torpedo launchers, as the Sao Paulo came with screen-accurate quad cannons.
Given how Cryptic has treated the other iconic ships, the T6 Defiant will be a disappointment.
It will be the same as the T5 version plus one BOFF seat and the other common T6 upgrades (such as a trait). Likely a pilot hybrid seat and that's it.
It will have the same weapon layouts. It will not have the special pilot ship abilities. Cryptic has made the decide that all the non-cryptic iconic designs are second rate but usable. And that's that.
I don't like it either. But I still want a T5 Connie, now all those who like the ships from the shows get to be disappointed too.
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I agree that the drain on engine power for the quad cannon should be compensated for either with it drawing less power from weapon power sub-systems (adjust it to being a 10 engine drain, and a 5 weapon drain while firing.), or merely make it that it gains a power boost both from your weapon power an engine power levels (maybe the bonus from engine power is less per point than the weapon, but still would be better than just a gain from weapon solely.). Maybe make it that when you have your engine power levels over a certain level it boosts the rate of fire of the quad-cannon, which could be a part f the set bonus really.
What would you like to see IN the T6 Defiant when it arrives?
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I don't think the Defiant will get a battle-cloak exactly, but rather that as part of the set bonus gained the existing one will be augemented to be usable in combat, and might gain a bonus effect when used outside of combat. I think beyond the first set bonus, which should be either a solo bonus to either phaser or phase/photon or quantum torps, there should be a variable bonus for the second set bonus that can effect any of the two other items you can equip. Like giving you a chance to activate a super-powered rapid fire ability for your quad-cannon alone or gaining a boost to to your cloak eithert making it a battle cloak, since i found it strange that alot of sets seem to favor you getting one of the pieces more than the other two if you are using two fo them specifically as the s-pc bonus effects that piece directly but not the third one.
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Going by the Console and BOFF alignment of the Fleet T5U Defiant, you can guarantee it's not getting a LtCmdr SCI. LtCmdr ENG will happen instead with possibly the Ens TAC going Universal. Either the LtCmdr TAC or LtCmdr ENG will be the hybrid station.
Well it could go dual Lt and one of them being a Uni...
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Lt. Commander Science for grav well 1, to gather mine enemies together so that I might smite them properly.
Going by the Console and BOFF alignment of the Fleet T5U Defiant, you can guarantee it's not getting a LtCmdr SCI. LtCmdr ENG will happen instead with possibly the Ens TAC going Universal. Either the LtCmdr TAC or LtCmdr ENG will be the hybrid station.
Well it could go dual Lt and one of them being a Uni...
All I know is this: The actual T6 Defiant being released is not going to be outlandishly altered like a bunch of guys on these boards think it will be. They're only setting themselves up for disappointment.
I think it will turn out to be a solid Escort still but not as good as the Pilot Ships. Or even the Phantom.
Lt. Commander Science for grav well 1, to gather mine enemies together so that I might smite them properly.
Going by the Console and BOFF alignment of the Fleet T5U Defiant, you can guarantee it's not getting a LtCmdr SCI. LtCmdr ENG will happen instead with possibly the Ens TAC going Universal. Either the LtCmdr TAC or LtCmdr ENG will be the hybrid station.
Well it could go dual Lt and one of them being a Uni...
All I know is this: The actual T6 Defiant being released is not going to be outlandishly altered like a bunch of guys on these boards think it will be. They're only setting themselves up for disappointment.
I think it will turn out to be a solid Escort still but not as good as the Pilot Ships. Or even the Phantom.
I completely agree. No prizes for predicting the number of 'rage' posts/threads that will appear once the Valiant class stats reveal that it isn't the uber-ship that some think it should be.
It simply will not be as good as the pilot escorts. I strongly suspect that it'll sit somewhere between being slightly better than the Hestia but inferior to the Pilot ships and Phantom.
The more people agree with me that it will probably be not as great some people want it to be and the Pilot escorts will still rule supreme, the more my hope grows that I am wrong.
Damn psychology.
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Lt. Commander Science for grav well 1, to gather mine enemies together so that I might smite them properly.
Going by the Console and BOFF alignment of the Fleet T5U Defiant, you can guarantee it's not getting a LtCmdr SCI. LtCmdr ENG will happen instead with possibly the Ens TAC going Universal. Either the LtCmdr TAC or LtCmdr ENG will be the hybrid station.
Well it could go dual Lt and one of them being a Uni...
All I know is this: The actual T6 Defiant being released is not going to be outlandishly altered like a bunch of guys on these boards think it will be. They're only setting themselves up for disappointment.
I think it will turn out to be a solid Escort still but not as good as the Pilot Ships. Or even the Phantom.
I completely agree. No prizes for predicting the number of 'rage' posts/threads that will appear once the Valiant class stats reveal that it isn't the uber-ship that some think it should be.
It simply will not be as good as the pilot escorts. I strongly suspect that it'll sit somewhere between being slightly better than the Hestia but inferior to the Pilot ships and Phantom.
If that's how it turns out, then I'll just buy a Pilot ship. But I want to see the stats first.
I didn't like all of the Pilot ships for all of the factions and my KDF pick will still be a T6 BoP.
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This is my hope aswell
On Todays Episode of
As The Forum Burns
The new T6 defiant is a total waste and so the DPS league rages on the forum to have it fixed only to be met with silence.
On next weeks episode someone will incite a forum riot trendy will be forced to pull out her mega ultrasuperlative bazooka to quell the riot only to find someone stuffed it with 7 different cheeses and a ham
One can never watch it enough....
@messahla LOL! Simply LOL! I wonder if we can use that as an opener for The SHOW...
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I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
I would rather see Pilot and Command abilities on the Defiant. Frankly speaking it fits the role the ship held in the show far more for her to be able to call for Emergency Artillery, call on where to concentrate firepower, and setting the Phalanx Formation, and rally locations are all hallmarks of how the Defiant acted during the Cardassian War.
The Pilot skills, and maneuvers are also hallmark, to how the defiant and it's class have acted in the past, (specifically we have seen her do Thruster Rolls, and what likely became Lock Trajectory in-game.
I could live with that
Is that too much to ask?
Nope, just these objectives:
1) a decent phaser based space weapon set that specifically boosts phaser damage. Other energy weapon types already enjoy how many damage-boosting sets?
2) a set that specifically benefits phaser cannons and the Defiant's canonical set-up from DS9
None of the proposed new gear nor set powers are game-breaking, so how they can be considered an "I-Win" button is pretty funny given how Kemocite-Laced-Weapons currently behave.
Edit: If the set gear needs toning down, then
1) Get rid of the [Ac/Dm] modifier from the proposed quad cannons, but leave them upgradable
2) Get rid of the extra quantum torpedo damage bonus from the 2 piece space set bonus.
The T6 Manticore is a nice ship, though I am not sure if Cryptic will just re-skin it for the general masses given that it is an exclusive reward for life-timers and long-time gold subs.
The DPS League guys won't be upset if the T6 Defiant sucks. If anything, they already have the ship they want to attain the DPS they rank with.
A terrible T6 Defiant is really only going to annoy the guys that simply wanted the ship in T6 status.
The reason I hold out hope is that the T5 Chimera had a nearly identical console/BOFF layout as the T5F Defiant.
And sadly it wont. The forums will burn with rage, dissapointment and sadness.
By looking at the patterns in the matrix, the T6 defiant, T6 Brrel and T6 T'varo will have actually intel spec.
Generaly, hybrid seats are not the ones that are getting upgraded, and, again generaly, it goes like tac/intel, eng/command and sci/pilot.
Thus the T6 defiant will have 4/3 weapon layout, consoles same as Fleet T5-U, and boff stations:
Commander Tac
Lt.Comm hybrid Tac/Intel
Lt.Comm Eng
Lt. Sci
Ens Uni.
Set bonus (from 3 items: quad cannons, cloak console and T6 console):
2pc: +10% phaser dmg and +30 energy weapon skill (wich remain to be seen, cuz of parity, if it will be a Cat2 buff as the roms have with their 2pc set that includes the plasma quad cannons). Think will be Cat2 since it must bring something extra after the Phantom got a +15% phaser dmg passive boost on the lance console, wich is a cat1 buff tho.
3pc: that trait from one of the rom ships that upon cloaking, it spawns a decoy. This will be the most useless thing ever, since, in order to cloak, the ship must be out of combat, wich usually will happend when NO SHIPS will be arround... so that decoy will be for what??? Anyway, to deny the battlecloak to a single friking ship, wich sacrifices 2 console slots + weapon slot and it forces the player to use a specific energy type, will be a slap in the face of the fed players.
Now, the ship will sell becouse, stat wise, will be good (OSS 3 lol), a designed competitor for the Phantom. But, I say again, it will be really dissapointing and sad becouse it wont have a battlecloak
The KDF will most likely get allmost same thing console set wise: disruptor quads from ning'tao bop and, becouse the B'rel doenst have its own console, the subspace jump console from ch'tang bop and with the 2pc set in disruptor flavor. But here, same as it was for the romulans as starship trait, the 3rd pc ability will make sense since it will have a battle cloak, enhanced one most likely, but a battlecloak non the less. It will allow to escape the enemy and fool him right in the middle of the combat... wich wont be the case for the fed version.
The roms have allready 2 pc set, so 3rd set will probably be Overwhelming force or something.
No, it won't. T6 defiant was set in stone about 9 months ago
A Cloak + Quad Phaser + [whatever new console] synergy benefit seems likely to happen.
I hope they take their lesson from the Prometheus and turn the Ensign Tactical in a Universal slot. I expect the Lt.Engineering slot will be upgraded to Lt.Cmdr. Seems unlikely that it would be science.
The wet dream would be Pilot Ship abilities, but that also seems very unlikely. No precedent for giving pre-existing ships spec ship abilities.
I personally would want to see screen-accurate dual quantum torpedo launchers, as the Sao Paulo came with screen-accurate quad cannons.
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It will be the same as the T5 version plus one BOFF seat and the other common T6 upgrades (such as a trait). Likely a pilot hybrid seat and that's it.
It will have the same weapon layouts. It will not have the special pilot ship abilities. Cryptic has made the decide that all the non-cryptic iconic designs are second rate but usable. And that's that.
I don't like it either. But I still want a T5 Connie, now all those who like the ships from the shows get to be disappointed too.
For me to spend it it needs.
Pilot moves and a reworked classic skin.
Anything else would be sweet but hey. . .
Tbh I would even live with Intel seat(s) over pilot seat(s) mainly down to pilot and command powers being so lackluster.
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Well it could go dual Lt and one of them being a Uni...
You mean this one:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kira_(hologram)
All I know is this: The actual T6 Defiant being released is not going to be outlandishly altered like a bunch of guys on these boards think it will be. They're only setting themselves up for disappointment.
I think it will turn out to be a solid Escort still but not as good as the Pilot Ships. Or even the Phantom.
The more people agree with me that it will probably be not as great some people want it to be and the Pilot escorts will still rule supreme, the more my hope grows that I am wrong.
Damn psychology.
If that's how it turns out, then I'll just buy a Pilot ship. But I want to see the stats first.
I didn't like all of the Pilot ships for all of the factions and my KDF pick will still be a T6 BoP.