From a Liberated Borg, that punch in the face could hurt.
That was the idea
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From a Liberated Borg, that punch in the face could hurt.
Or from a Romulan. Granted borg strength is probably greater still.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
1) I hope the head of security at SFA will get replaced soon.
2) Which idiot allowed QWEN(!) of all people to not only enter the Sol System, but also gave him clearance to land on Earth?!? His ship should have been boarded the second he got spotted, or has Starfleet already forgotten that this guy had the AUDACITY to put a BOUNTY on one of their ADMIRALS?!?!? Not to mention his attempt to TRIBBLE the Federation, Klingon Empire AND the Romulan Republic over that Krenim artifact?
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Thought came to mind, I know Klingnons eat the hearts of their enemies, I think Selas heart would give a warrior indigestion and only thing to do with it is to bury her heart.
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
1) I hope the head of security at SFA will get replaced soon.
2) Which idiot allowed QWEN(!) of all people to not only enter the Sol System, but also gave him clearance to land on Earth?!? His ship should have been boarded the second he got spotted, or has Starfleet already forgotten that this guy had the AUDACITY to put a BOUNTY on one of their ADMIRALS?!?!? Not to mention his attempt to TRIBBLE the Federation, Klingon Empire AND the Romulan Republic over that Krenim artifact?
Consider this: Starfleet managed to have him stationed near/at the place of the last stand of the Alliance. The Alliance falls, Qwen dies. Tempting as a variation of the "taking you with me" trope.
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
I am now "the she-demon"?
I think you're flattering me.
any time, my dear; if i knew the rihannsu term for it, i would've used that
(seriously, you do come off very annoying and irritating with this whole sela 'detta thing you have going; i hate her too, but not THAT much
and you KNOW cryptic is never going to let anyone kill her; denise crosby needs the money too much - you'll have to settle for foundries like the rest of us)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Sigh, how on the flaming targs of New Romulous is this piece of excrement still alive and free? Yeah she feels sooooo much remorse for all she is guilty of.....
Is not demon a gender neutral term, what's a she-demon?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
I am now "the she-demon"?
I think you're flattering me.
any time, my dear; if i knew the rihannsu term for it, i would've used that
(seriously, you do come off very annoying and irritating with this whole sela 'detta thing you have going; i hate her too, but not THAT much
and you KNOW cryptic is never going to let anyone kill her; denise crosby needs the money too much - you'll have to settle for foundries like the rest of us)
One thing you should know that might help explain:
My main character has a claim by blood to the throne of the RSE, but she doesn't want it, because she doesn't believe that nobility is hereditary, nor does she believe that Sela is worthy of being Empress even of unwashed targs.
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
I am now "the she-demon"?
I think you're flattering me.
any time, my dear; if i knew the rihannsu term for it, i would've used that
(seriously, you do come off very annoying and irritating with this whole sela 'detta thing you have going; i hate her too, but not THAT much
and you KNOW cryptic is never going to let anyone kill her; denise crosby needs the money too much - you'll have to settle for foundries like the rest of us)
One thing you should know that might help explain:
My main character has a claim by blood to the throne of the RSE, but she doesn't want it, because she doesn't believe that nobility is hereditary, nor does she believe that Sela is worthy of being Empress even of unwashed targs.
mine is a pyro-happy werewolf who desperately wishes he could at the very least knock sela on her TRIBBLE every time she gets too annoying - which would be just about every time she opens her mouth
(and before anyone tries to jump on me for having an earth mythological creature in a sci-fi game, weirder things have been shown onscreen; this at least can be explained away as a monoform changeling whose transformation is the result of a hyperaccelerated retrovirus)
Sela is like Loki from Thor or The Governor from The Walking Dead. As much as the things she does weigh on her she is never going to change and she will always be the way she is. Even if she makes a concerted effort to right her wrongs she psychologically will not be able to. Remember in The Walking Dead when The Governor tried to be a good person and help that family as "Brian Hariot"? You could still see traces of him and he gently drifted back down the slope of megalomania. I mean that guy straight up killed the entire Woodbury militia and still could not accept not being "The Governor". You think that Sela, who only indirectly caused the destruction of Hobus, is gonna be reformed? Its like the cycloptic psycho said, "You can lose a lot of pawns, but still win the game". Sela just needs new pawns and will only go down on her terms.
As it stands the current list of fugitives of the Iconian War are listed as such in order of priority:
1. T'Ket*
2. Princip Khan
3. The Hur'q*
4. Sela
5. Mirror Leeta
6. Torg
7. Qwen
An alliance between these two is EXTREMELY probable.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
someone we've never seen or fought before being public enemy #2 just under a 200,000+ year old energy being of destructive power definitely equal to m'tara and likely exceeding it? i know augments are dangerous, but that seems a little over the top
i would've had him under sela, and maybe even mirror leeta, since she seems to have a pah-wraith possessing her as the little blog blurb about one of the S11 queues a few weeks back alluded to
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I like this one for sure. It would've rung hollow had Sela made a complete turn around. This is just part of an evolution of her character. I can tell you that old habits and beliefs die hard, which is almost second nature to a person.
I don't think of Sela as being unredeemable, but I would not have expected it to happen by just one event, regardless of how profound it was.
I really do wish that this wouldn't be left hanging. I was interested in the Sela character in ST:TNG, and she's becoming one of my favourite characters in STO. She's becoming a more three dimensional character that deserves more character development.
I'm so glad that Sela has taken the path of humility and downplayed her heroic role in the Iconian War. While some of the Mol'Rihan traitors condemn her now, history will remember her as a savior and the greatest Romulan leader of all time.
She took her victory over the Iconians with such grace, it's truly admirable how she wanted no part in the festivities and instead only looked ahead to the future.
I hope she gets her reprieve, because the galaxy needs her now more than ever.
In Star Trek Into Darkness we see just how much damage he can be capable of when he gets aquainted with the time period he is living in. An army of Augments growing up in 2410 could be more dangerous then the Iconians.
No, in Into Darkness we see how much damage Sherlock Holmes is capable of if Starfleet was run by Robocop after he had his brain replaced with cabbage, somebody turned all of Earth's defences off for a larf and everybody forgot what gravity does.
I don't get it. The war is over. The tales should be done too.
Fortunately, there are grown-ups in control of this game who understand the depth of story that other adults are looking for, who play this game. And who read these stories. And who look forward to these stories. Because the circular logic is so apparent, it would take a blind Klingon to miss it.
Sela's tale was definitely one to tell as a loose end - and she's still loose again. We have got to better plan our euphoric relief at being alive, apparently - though she's a bad penny that way. She'll turn up. I'm not sure what she has to accomplish at this point, her power base seems destroyed.
If I'm not mistaken, Ferengi space is quite close to Cardassian space.
Mmmmm I still like to think that there's some hope for her.
Anyway, after the war ended the Dominion abandoned her on Earth. That alone is a betrayal (she probably thinks) must hurt them back for. Hope that doesn't escalate into another conflict with the Dominion. I'm tempted to explore, rather than fighting Gamma Jem'hadar - see mission "Facility 4028". Those things are tough!
Her transmissions mentioned her talking with several factions. I wonder what is true extent of the... "uneasy allies" she was able to gather. We only saw Dominion at Earth, but maybe others pinched in during our "darkest hour" elsewhere. Like the Tholians, Hirogen, maybe the Tzenkethi. Plus there are her Imperial loyalists.
There's a lot of bad blood between those powers and the Federation. And with the Delta Alliance (apparently) intact after the war, there's a risk that these factions might join together to stand against us.
Although the war is over, we have T'Ket and Sela still out there. We have a Delta Alliance, supported by factions from the Delta Quadrant. Also, there's this new threat coming from the Mirror Universe where they stole advanced tech from the future to win the war and eradicate the Iconians entirely.
I get the feeling that, before long, we'll face an alliance that will become a long-term counterbalance, facing the Delta Alliance, on this new galactic landscape.
(Yep, still thinking about an STO-style Typhon Pact )
I wonder if we get the chance to learn more about what's going on in the Star Empire - particularly on the new capital, Rator III. Who is the new Emperor/Empress (if there is any) and how Sela would try to get back into power?
Oh... I just realized: the Tal Shiar became Iconian servitors, but with the war over... what, they're retiring and the Romulans become BFFs with the Elachi?
Still a loooot of stuff to do
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"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
"Sela had saved Earth and the Federation. She had saved that idiot Kagran and his Empire and that traitor D'Tan and his weak followers. And in the process she had doomed Romulus."
My god, this woman... Never her fault, always trying to take the credit.
Even when you metaphorically slam her head against the wall of reality, she refuses to comprehend it was her fault the Iconians had a grudge against everyone because she kept their entire civilization and history away from them and allowed T'Ket to finally have her way and corrupt them.
She did understand...for a brief second. And she held it in her head...and realized that she couldn't deal with it. So she used her number one coping mechanism. She blamed someone else. I almost wish that I hadn't killed Hakeev...that he was there to see his gods and to see what really started all this. Then my Romulan Admiral Azuria smacks in the back of the head and reminds me that while not completely satisfying shooting him in the face was still one of the proudest moments in her career.
The throngs of people made it easy to bump into someone and lift some latinum here, some jewelry there; enough to supplement what she already had on her person, for passage off world. No one would ever suspect an apparent Vulcan of something as illogical as theft.
She's a thief too? Why am I not surprised? LOL
Because she's a spy and thieving is a useful skill in espionage?
Her presence in the successful final battle would be an asset so long as some of the more damning details never came to light.
1) I hope the head of security at SFA will get replaced soon.
2) Which idiot allowed QWEN(!) of all people to not only enter the Sol System, but also gave him clearance to land on Earth?!? His ship should have been boarded the second he got spotted, or has Starfleet already forgotten that this guy had the AUDACITY to put a BOUNTY on one of their ADMIRALS?!?!? Not to mention his attempt to TRIBBLE the Federation, Klingon Empire AND the Romulan Republic over that Krenim artifact?
1) Everyone was there, why hadn't anyone else arrested her?
2) Qwen had a little good will from providing the tech that got us to the Krenim. Furthermore it was one of the safest places in the Galaxy. The Federation wouldn't just leave him out in the cold minutes to midnight before armageddon.
Praetor's Log, 4th day of 3rd month of Air, year 2 After Rediscovery:
I keep telling people not to trust Sela, not to believe in her words, not to expect her to reform, not to attribute noble motives to her acts. She is even now still absorbed in her narcissism, likely seeking some scapegoat upon whom to shift the responsibility for the destruction of Romulus. I should have been at least allowed to put her in irons and drag her back to ch'Mol'Rihan. But no, "She brought the Dominion to help," according to the gullible Hevammsu. I have prepared an order for our Counterintelligence operatives, since it is probable that Sela will soon find a way off of Terrha, if indeed that be not already accomplished. Much as I would prefer to look her in the eyes as I myself end her once and for all, the order goes out today: a hit on Sela is sanctioned by order of Praetor Ji'ana of the Tal'Diann.
End Log.
Would it help if I said I slapped a viridium patch on her back last time I saw her?
Of course the difference is Dukat constructed an entire narrative for himself where he was the hero. He uplifted Bajor. He dedicated his life to them, and those ingrates rejected him. It also helps that Marc Alaimo is charismatic as hell.
Sela on the other hand just keeps making paper thin excuses.
Say what you like about Dukat, but seeing his own daughter killed broke him. What happens after... isn't really Dukat anymore. Finding out that she is responsible for Romulus going kaboom should've similarly broken Sela, but she's still carrying on like before.
I'm not sure about that last point.
Keep in mind that at this point Sela has been emotionally dealing with the obliteration of Romulus for about 23 years now. She's been trained by the Tal Shiar to resist torture, to lock away her emotions. Deceit is her religion. Even self deceit.
I think Romulus' destruction did break her, but she put herself back together. After that initial shock the events on Iconia weren't actually severe enough to really break her again.
Like anyone who has taken up revenge as their primary motive, if their revenge ends up being unfulfilled or unfilfilling, then she immediately turns to another target. She didn't get her revenge in the Inigo Montoya way, clean concise, final. She got it in the Sasuke Uchiha way. Where her revenge...wasn't what she expected it to be at all. And it wasn't complete and now she turns her vindictiveness on to the people she feels robbed her of her revenge.
And of course robbed her of her opportunity to be the "rightful savior" of Romulus.
It's a pity she couldn't have seen the alternate timeline created by the temporal incursion. An assimilated Romulus. I don't believe in fate or anything so grand...but I do believe the universe unfolds as it should. And it's futile to attempt to subvert it. Sad to say...but perhaps Romulus couldn't be saved. Sixteen billion people.
1) I hope the head of security at SFA will get replaced soon.
2) Which idiot allowed QWEN(!) of all people to not only enter the Sol System, but also gave him clearance to land on Earth?!? His ship should have been boarded the second he got spotted, or has Starfleet already forgotten that this guy had the AUDACITY to put a BOUNTY on one of their ADMIRALS?!?!? Not to mention his attempt to TRIBBLE the Federation, Klingon Empire AND the Romulan Republic over that Krenim artifact?
Consider this: Starfleet managed to have him stationed near/at the place of the last stand of the Alliance. The Alliance falls, Qwen dies. Tempting as a variation of the "taking you with me" trope.
quen is of no interest to anyone, because he's a minor annoyance at best; he's the kind of person one goes after when they're bored and have nothing better to do
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
I am now "the she-demon"?
I think you're flattering me.
any time, my dear; if i knew the rihannsu term for it, i would've used that
(seriously, you do come off very annoying and irritating with this whole sela 'detta thing you have going; i hate her too, but not THAT much
and you KNOW cryptic is never going to let anyone kill her; denise crosby needs the money too much - you'll have to settle for foundries like the rest of us)
One thing you should know that might help explain:
My main character has a claim by blood to the throne of the RSE, but she doesn't want it, because she doesn't believe that nobility is hereditary, nor does she believe that Sela is worthy of being Empress even of unwashed targs.
Sela an Empress.
Even if Sela's blood was as noble as yours she wouldn't be anything resembling an Empress. Leaders have to think about someone other than themselves. This is what it means to lead in the first place.
Sela is like Loki from Thor or The Governor from The Walking Dead. As much as the things she does weigh on her she is never going to change and she will always be the way she is. Even if she makes a concerted effort to right her wrongs she psychologically will not be able to. Remember in The Walking Dead when The Governor tried to be a good person and help that family as "Brian Hariot"? You could still see traces of him and he gently drifted back down the slope of megalomania. I mean that guy straight up killed the entire Woodbury militia and still could not accept not being "The Governor". You think that Sela, who only indirectly caused the destruction of Hobus, is gonna be reformed? Its like the cycloptic psycho said, "You can lose a lot of pawns, but still win the game". Sela just needs new pawns and will only go down on her terms.
Yeah, that's a fair analogy on every level.
Princip Khan is a human Augment who was apperently captured by starfleet and held in Facility 4028 under the highest possible security precautions. He was the leader of a radical group of human Augments known as the Children of Khan. Although our character never meets Princip Khan we do fight other Augments in game that recieved funding for their experiments through Ambasador B'Vat who I still think was "blugilled" by Iconians.
No, B'Vat isn't attached to the Iconians, he's a rebel against actors in the temporal cold wars and a Klingon radical.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Tsk.
So Sela was able to escape on a no-questions-asked Ferengi ship by stealing a robe, somebody's watch and pretending to be a Vulcan. I mean its not like a blonde "vulcan" with a archtypical romulan haircut is easily noticed by, oh, Everyone in the galaxy.
yes, she's a little strapped for cash and plasma weapons right now, but she has some stashed away and still has a liberated , although unwilling, Borg at her beck and call.
You all expect Sela to return like a TRIBBLE at a white house dinner - unannounced and unwelcome. But please have a little compassion for the martyr-in-her-own-mind, after all she still has an Iconian with a 200,000 year old grudge to settle with her at large and I'd say the galaxy is looking a bit small to her right about now.
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Or from a Romulan. Granted borg strength is probably greater still.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
My character Tsin'xing
sela, on the other paw, well...i'm sure protogoth can provide yet another summary of her crimes, since the she-demon seems to delight in doing that at every available opportunity even when no one wants to hear it
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I am now "the she-demon"?
I think you're flattering me.
any time, my dear; if i knew the rihannsu term for it, i would've used that
(seriously, you do come off very annoying and irritating with this whole sela 'detta thing you have going; i hate her too, but not THAT much
and you KNOW cryptic is never going to let anyone kill her; denise crosby needs the money too much - you'll have to settle for foundries like the rest of us)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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One thing you should know that might help explain:
My main character has a claim by blood to the throne of the RSE, but she doesn't want it, because she doesn't believe that nobility is hereditary, nor does she believe that Sela is worthy of being Empress even of unwashed targs.
A Succubus.
demoness?
mine is a pyro-happy werewolf who desperately wishes he could at the very least knock sela on her TRIBBLE every time she gets too annoying - which would be just about every time she opens her mouth
(and before anyone tries to jump on me for having an earth mythological creature in a sci-fi game, weirder things have been shown onscreen; this at least can be explained away as a monoform changeling whose transformation is the result of a hyperaccelerated retrovirus)
who's princep khan?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
i would've had him under sela, and maybe even mirror leeta, since she seems to have a pah-wraith possessing her as the little blog blurb about one of the S11 queues a few weeks back alluded to
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I don't think of Sela as being unredeemable, but I would not have expected it to happen by just one event, regardless of how profound it was.
I really do wish that this wouldn't be left hanging. I was interested in the Sela character in ST:TNG, and she's becoming one of my favourite characters in STO. She's becoming a more three dimensional character that deserves more character development.
She took her victory over the Iconians with such grace, it's truly admirable how she wanted no part in the festivities and instead only looked ahead to the future.
I hope she gets her reprieve, because the galaxy needs her now more than ever.
No, in Into Darkness we see how much damage Sherlock Holmes is capable of if Starfleet was run by Robocop after he had his brain replaced with cabbage, somebody turned all of Earth's defences off for a larf and everybody forgot what gravity does.
Fortunately, there are grown-ups in control of this game who understand the depth of story that other adults are looking for, who play this game. And who read these stories. And who look forward to these stories. Because the circular logic is so apparent, it would take a blind Klingon to miss it.
If I'm not mistaken, Ferengi space is quite close to Cardassian space.
Anyway, after the war ended the Dominion abandoned her on Earth. That alone is a betrayal (she probably thinks) must hurt them back for. Hope that doesn't escalate into another conflict with the Dominion. I'm tempted to explore, rather than fighting Gamma Jem'hadar - see mission "Facility 4028". Those things are tough!
Her transmissions mentioned her talking with several factions. I wonder what is true extent of the... "uneasy allies" she was able to gather. We only saw Dominion at Earth, but maybe others pinched in during our "darkest hour" elsewhere. Like the Tholians, Hirogen, maybe the Tzenkethi. Plus there are her Imperial loyalists.
There's a lot of bad blood between those powers and the Federation. And with the Delta Alliance (apparently) intact after the war, there's a risk that these factions might join together to stand against us.
Although the war is over, we have T'Ket and Sela still out there. We have a Delta Alliance, supported by factions from the Delta Quadrant. Also, there's this new threat coming from the Mirror Universe where they stole advanced tech from the future to win the war and eradicate the Iconians entirely.
I get the feeling that, before long, we'll face an alliance that will become a long-term counterbalance, facing the Delta Alliance, on this new galactic landscape.
(Yep, still thinking about an STO-style Typhon Pact
I wonder if we get the chance to learn more about what's going on in the Star Empire - particularly on the new capital, Rator III. Who is the new Emperor/Empress (if there is any) and how Sela would try to get back into power?
Oh... I just realized: the Tal Shiar became Iconian servitors, but with the war over... what, they're retiring and the Romulans become BFFs with the Elachi?
Still a loooot of stuff to do
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Rarely has it occurred that a war ended with the last shot fired.
And for some people...the war never ends.
She did understand...for a brief second. And she held it in her head...and realized that she couldn't deal with it. So she used her number one coping mechanism. She blamed someone else. I almost wish that I hadn't killed Hakeev...that he was there to see his gods and to see what really started all this. Then my Romulan Admiral Azuria smacks in the back of the head and reminds me that while not completely satisfying shooting him in the face was still one of the proudest moments in her career.
Because she's a spy and thieving is a useful skill in espionage?
Definitely
2) Qwen had a little good will from providing the tech that got us to the Krenim. Furthermore it was one of the safest places in the Galaxy. The Federation wouldn't just leave him out in the cold minutes to midnight before armageddon.
Would it help if I said I slapped a viridium patch on her back last time I saw her?
I'm not sure about that last point.
Keep in mind that at this point Sela has been emotionally dealing with the obliteration of Romulus for about 23 years now. She's been trained by the Tal Shiar to resist torture, to lock away her emotions. Deceit is her religion. Even self deceit.
I think Romulus' destruction did break her, but she put herself back together. After that initial shock the events on Iconia weren't actually severe enough to really break her again.
Like anyone who has taken up revenge as their primary motive, if their revenge ends up being unfulfilled or unfilfilling, then she immediately turns to another target. She didn't get her revenge in the Inigo Montoya way, clean concise, final. She got it in the Sasuke Uchiha way. Where her revenge...wasn't what she expected it to be at all. And it wasn't complete and now she turns her vindictiveness on to the people she feels robbed her of her revenge.
And of course robbed her of her opportunity to be the "rightful savior" of Romulus.
It's a pity she couldn't have seen the alternate timeline created by the temporal incursion. An assimilated Romulus. I don't believe in fate or anything so grand...but I do believe the universe unfolds as it should. And it's futile to attempt to subvert it. Sad to say...but perhaps Romulus couldn't be saved. Sixteen billion people.
But I believe Romulus lives on.
I like the way you think
Sela an Empress.
Even if Sela's blood was as noble as yours she wouldn't be anything resembling an Empress. Leaders have to think about someone other than themselves. This is what it means to lead in the first place. A succubus is a very specific type of demon.
Yeah, that's a fair analogy on every level.
No, B'Vat isn't attached to the Iconians, he's a rebel against actors in the temporal cold wars and a Klingon radical.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
So Sela was able to escape on a no-questions-asked Ferengi ship by stealing a robe, somebody's watch and pretending to be a Vulcan. I mean its not like a blonde "vulcan" with a archtypical romulan haircut is easily noticed by, oh, Everyone in the galaxy.
yes, she's a little strapped for cash and plasma weapons right now, but she has some stashed away and still has a liberated , although unwilling, Borg at her beck and call.
You all expect Sela to return like a TRIBBLE at a white house dinner - unannounced and unwelcome. But please have a little compassion for the martyr-in-her-own-mind, after all she still has an Iconian with a 200,000 year old grudge to settle with her at large and I'd say the galaxy is looking a bit small to her right about now.
Also they usually didn't plan their escape. Many times their plan literally blew up in their faces and that is how they left the scene.
My character Tsin'xing