T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
I guess they should marry.
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Sela should have been spaced the first time she was in "custody."
No, at that point the characters did not know (as they apparently did by Uneasy Allies) that Sela is plot-protected from being held in custody and facing a proper trial.
When I played Midnight with my Gorn, he rammed the Shard Sword of Kahless completely THROUGH Sela's body again and again for a couple of minutes on the grounds of SFA, while Tom Paris, Kagran, Harry Kim and Nog watched.
Paris looked like he was smirking about it, too.
Seriously, after what we watched her do on Iconia, there is very little excuse not to kill her on sight. But to pretend that we're all so wrapped up in celebration that Kagran and the PC (who were both right there on Iconia with her, and just watched her singlehandedly CAUSE the entire Iconian War and its massive death toll - and, by extension, the destruction of Romulus, the Fed-Klingon war, the Undine invasion, etc., etc., etc.) would stand right next to her in SFA and just let her casually wander off is INSULTINGLY bad writing.
Until this installment, I liked the Tales. But this is the worst piece of writing to come out of STO yet, in game or out. Yes, it's even worse than Tovan Khev.
This isn't any Idiot Ball they're handing us any more, it's an Idiot Dyson Sphere!
T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
I guess they should marry.
That would be an episode of Kyle/Maury/Springer I would watch.
You know, canon never gave the length of the typical Denobulan life span...
Can I assume it was Phlox at the end there giving a devious and knowing grin? It would really make me happy.
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T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
"The T'Ket & Sela Show! One is a misiconianic (the Iconian equivalent of misanthropic) Iconian, the other is a narcissistic ex-empress in denial! One has corrupted the mind of her sisters with conquest and genocide, the other was your unfriendly-neighborhood backstabbing ruler of backstabbing green-blooded bast*BEEP* and both are responsible for the death of billions! And they hate each other for your own sadistic pleasure, dear viewers! At the end of each episode of The T'Ket & Sela Show, don't forget to follow The Merry Adventures of L'Miren & her Other! Only on CBS!"
T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
"The T'Ket & Sela Show! One is a misiconianic (the Iconian equivalent of misanthropic) Iconian, the other is a narcissistic ex-empress in denial! One has corrupted the mind of her sisters with conquest and genocide, the other was your unfriendly-neighborhood backstabbing ruler of backstabbing green-blooded bast*BEEP* and both are responsible for the death of billions! And they hate each other for your own sadistic pleasure, dear viewers! At the end of each episode of The T'Ket & Sela Show, don't forget to follow The Merry Adventures of L'Miren & her Other! Only on CBS!"
Isn't the real name of that show, "How I met the Other"?
T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
"The T'Ket & Sela Show! One is a misiconianic (the Iconian equivalent of misanthropic) Iconian, the other is a narcissistic ex-empress in denial! One has corrupted the mind of her sisters with conquest and genocide, the other was your unfriendly-neighborhood backstabbing ruler of backstabbing green-blooded bast*BEEP* and both are responsible for the death of billions! And they hate each other for your own sadistic pleasure, dear viewers! At the end of each episode of The T'Ket & Sela Show, don't forget to follow The Merry Adventures of L'Miren & her Other! Only on CBS!"
T'Ket and Sela deserve each other, I suppose. I also have the feeling that T'Ket has no intention of killing Sela - Sela must suffer in her mind, and death means the end of suffering.
"The T'Ket & Sela Show! One is a misiconianic (the Iconian equivalent of misanthropic) Iconian, the other is a narcissistic ex-empress in denial! One has corrupted the mind of her sisters with conquest and genocide, the other was your unfriendly-neighborhood backstabbing ruler of backstabbing green-blooded bast*BEEP* and both are responsible for the death of billions! And they hate each other for your own sadistic pleasure, dear viewers! At the end of each episode of The T'Ket & Sela Show, don't forget to follow The Merry Adventures of L'Miren & her Other! Only on CBS!"
I have come to realize there's only one quote I can think of after Sela escaped... also how much of an idiot I am (I take blame of that... though honestly my character, even though they are a fed, would have likely done this as soon as they arrived on SFA)
"You know what you should do? Go find Sela and shoot her." - Jerry Peet, 2k15/2410
Sela should have been detained at the end of midnight, a show trial and sentence to life imprisonment at facility 4028 sounds about fair from a fed viewpoint
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Sela should have been detained at the end of midnight, a show trial and sentence to life imprisonment at facility 4028 sounds about fair from a fed viewpoint
And while being escorted to her cell, she slips on a banana peel, and falls off of an energy bridge to her death.
When asked about the incident, Fleet Admiral Robert E. Watts replied "TRIBBLE happens".
Well if Crosby really does have a long term contract, then... "Something happened in STO? Sela" Sorry Iconians, that's the truth now :P
And at this point, my fear is that she does have such a contract.
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Starfleet in this game are incompetant the KDF could easily have captured her as well. But I think this will not be the last time we will see Sela
The Klingons were busy celebrating, too, otherwise they would have. There were KDF on and around Earth at the time.
It's just the writers of this game have this weird obsession with always making Starfleet look like putzes.
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I would love to see the redemption of Sela, and would like to take part of that journey.
A sudden change in heart for Sela, even after a major epiphany, would've been too easy for anyone with deep-seated beliefs to turn everything she was taught and experienced. So kudos all around.
From a Liberated Borg, that punch in the face could hurt.
Or from a Romulan. Granted borg strength is probably greater still.
Well, you're punching a Romulan, so Romulan strength is just average.
Sela's half human, so I'd expect her strength level to be slightly lower, also physical strength does not always equal physical resilience.
But someone needs to punch her. then shoot her.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Okay. So ignoring the fact that anyone with a modicum of sense would have beamed her to a prison cell the moment her feet touched ground on Earth...
On the grounds of an academy heaving with people, absolutely no-one, noticed an incredibly conspicuously dressed blonde Romulan, in a non-RR uniform, wandering around?
No-one thought to assign her at least one security officer - I know everyone is supposed to be celebrating, but at the very least our character should know better. The least trustworthy person imaginable who has a predictable habit of escaping custody, and they just let her wander around?
And worst of all, she'd be VERY much recognised by RR officers - so we're supposed to beleive that there wasn't even one RR officer who didn't want to ask her a few questions.
Bull****. This is like the script of a TRIBBLE soap opera. If you MUST have her escape, at least TRY to make it beleiveable.
Yep. I have to agree here. The degree of incompetence required here completely ruins suspension of disbelief. Granted they pulled the "escaped custody" thing once, so they'd need to try something else.
A little creativity, please! She WAS allied with the Dominion, right? What if she'd picked up a portable shroud like you get with the Jemmie set, and pulled a vanishing act as soon as we moved to arrest her? At least THAT would account for her getting far enough away to presumably change clothes, steal, and escape.
This, however, is insanely lame.
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Starfleet in this game are incompetant the KDF could easily have captured her as well. But I think this will not be the last time we will see Sela
The Klingons were busy celebrating, too, otherwise they would have. There were KDF on and around Earth at the time.
It's just the writers of this game have this weird obsession with always making Starfleet look like putzes.
Feds get off easy. Making them look like putzes may be a hobby. Making Klingons to be the answer to the question: How would you rewrite a species in Star Trek to be so much worse in game than ever in the shows? This seems to be the mission of at least two devs that I can think of, one being the shot caller.
Starfleet in this game are incompetant the KDF could easily have captured her as well. But I think this will not be the last time we will see Sela
The Klingons were busy celebrating, too, otherwise they would have. There were KDF on and around Earth at the time.
It's just the writers of this game have this weird obsession with always making Starfleet look like putzes.
Feds get off easy. Making them look like putzes may be a hobby. Making Klingons to be the answer to the question: How would you rewrite a species in Star Trek to be so much worse in game than ever in the shows? This seems to be the mission of at least two devs that I can think of, one being the shot caller.
Easy: the Klingons lost their marbles after Gorkon died. A species that needs to pick an external fight to avoid self-destructing under the weight of its own decay is not one that's long for this world.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Starfleet in this game are incompetant the KDF could easily have captured her as well. But I think this will not be the last time we will see Sela
The Klingons were busy celebrating, too, otherwise they would have. There were KDF on and around Earth at the time.
It's just the writers of this game have this weird obsession with always making Starfleet look like putzes.
Feds get off easy. Making them look like putzes may be a hobby. Making Klingons to be the answer to the question: How would you rewrite a species in Star Trek to be so much worse in game than ever in the shows? This seems to be the mission of at least two devs that I can think of, one being the shot caller.
Easy: the Klingons lost their marbles after Gorkon died. A species that needs to pick an external fight to avoid self-destructing under the weight of its own decay is not one that's long for this world.
Agreed though I might at least give them credit for Azerbur's chancellorship, however long that lasted. Sadly, I have this bad feeling it would've been a quick assassination. As far as I have seen everything the Klingons have done is attested to by prior precedent in canon. The TNG and DS9 writers deserve the lion's share of the blame for ruining the work done on Undiscovered Country (and Klingon Academy, which I'm half tempted to declare headcanon ).
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(and Klingon Academy, which I'm half tempted to declare headcanon ).
i did, but only because it was so well-done of a game, and it didn't blatantly contradict any canon from TOS or TMP (that i could tell, anyway)
It was VERY well done indeed...Christopher Plummer was on fire. Heck, so was David Warner. Much as their two characters would've hated to be associated with each other (and DID), the two of them both really represented the last of a dying era among the Klingons as it turns out when we see TNG/DS9.
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(and Klingon Academy, which I'm half tempted to declare headcanon ).
i did, but only because it was so well-done of a game, and it didn't blatantly contradict any canon from TOS or TMP (that i could tell, anyway)
It was VERY well done indeed...Christopher Plummer was on fire. Heck, so was David Warner. Much as their two characters would've hated to be associated with each other (and DID), the two of them both really represented the last of a dying era among the Klingons as it turns out when we see TNG/DS9.
don't forget the player's character, torlek (or turlek, however it was spelled); that guy had a damn good voice actor too, and one of the nice things about that game was the player could portray him however they wanted, since most of the dialogue choices in the game were multiple choice (something that was VERY rare outside RPGs back then and unfortunately just as rare today even in RPGs not made by bioware)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(and Klingon Academy, which I'm half tempted to declare headcanon ).
i did, but only because it was so well-done of a game, and it didn't blatantly contradict any canon from TOS or TMP (that i could tell, anyway)
It was VERY well done indeed...Christopher Plummer was on fire. Heck, so was David Warner. Much as their two characters would've hated to be associated with each other (and DID), the two of them both really represented the last of a dying era among the Klingons as it turns out when we see TNG/DS9.
don't forget the player's character, torlek (or turlek, however it was spelled); that guy had a damn good voice actor too, and one of the nice things about that game was the player could portray him however they wanted, since most of the dialogue choices in the game were multiple choice (something that was VERY rare outside RPGs back then and unfortunately just as rare today even in RPGs not made by bioware)
Interesting...that was something I didn't get to see from watching the Let's Play on YouTube. Certainly a VERY nice feature.
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Very much applies here in my opinion - it's laughable that anyone thought this is a good idea; Sela has become a very boring, predictable enemy to the point that having her in any content is pointless, because her appearance always follows the same routine and ends with her escaping in some fashion, making someone/everyone (including our own characters) look incompetent in the process.
"Become"? IMO, she always was. The only part of her I actively praise is her ghostly presence in your mind during "Mind Game". The rest of the time, it's hard to like her, because, as you said, you know she's plotting something or about to try to get under your good side, hoping you'll forget about her many atrocities.
I don't blame Denise Crosby for that, in fact, I think she does a great job voicing her and also at making us hate the character, but Sela is overused. I hope Chase Masterson will be a welcome change with Mirror!Leeta.
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It is worth noting that one character in this tale of horrific violence has far more blood on their hands than Sela could ever accomplish.
It is worth noting that the misdeeds of one do not in any way negate the misdeeds of another. What is it with all the Tu Quoque lately?
I guess they should marry.
Paris looked like he was smirking about it, too.
Seriously, after what we watched her do on Iconia, there is very little excuse not to kill her on sight. But to pretend that we're all so wrapped up in celebration that Kagran and the PC (who were both right there on Iconia with her, and just watched her singlehandedly CAUSE the entire Iconian War and its massive death toll - and, by extension, the destruction of Romulus, the Fed-Klingon war, the Undine invasion, etc., etc., etc.) would stand right next to her in SFA and just let her casually wander off is INSULTINGLY bad writing.
Until this installment, I liked the Tales. But this is the worst piece of writing to come out of STO yet, in game or out. Yes, it's even worse than Tovan Khev.
This isn't any Idiot Ball they're handing us any more, it's an Idiot Dyson Sphere!
That would be an episode of Kyle/Maury/Springer I would watch.
Can I assume it was Phlox at the end there giving a devious and knowing grin? It would really make me happy.
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"The T'Ket & Sela Show! One is a misiconianic (the Iconian equivalent of misanthropic) Iconian, the other is a narcissistic ex-empress in denial! One has corrupted the mind of her sisters with conquest and genocide, the other was your unfriendly-neighborhood backstabbing ruler of backstabbing green-blooded bast*BEEP* and both are responsible for the death of billions! And they hate each other for your own sadistic pleasure, dear viewers! At the end of each episode of The T'Ket & Sela Show, don't forget to follow The Merry Adventures of L'Miren & her Other! Only on CBS!"
Isn't the real name of that show, "How I met the Other"?
Oh, my...
Yes, I'm L'Miren's Significant Other
"You know what you should do? Go find Sela and shoot her." - Jerry Peet, 2k15/2410
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
And while being escorted to her cell, she slips on a banana peel, and falls off of an energy bridge to her death.
When asked about the incident, Fleet Admiral Robert E. Watts replied "TRIBBLE happens".
And at this point, my fear is that she does have such a contract.
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The Klingons were busy celebrating, too, otherwise they would have. There were KDF on and around Earth at the time.
It's just the writers of this game have this weird obsession with always making Starfleet look like putzes.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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A sudden change in heart for Sela, even after a major epiphany, would've been too easy for anyone with deep-seated beliefs to turn everything she was taught and experienced. So kudos all around.
Sela's half human, so I'd expect her strength level to be slightly lower, also physical strength does not always equal physical resilience.
But someone needs to punch her. then shoot her.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Yep. I have to agree here. The degree of incompetence required here completely ruins suspension of disbelief. Granted they pulled the "escaped custody" thing once, so they'd need to try something else.
A little creativity, please! She WAS allied with the Dominion, right? What if she'd picked up a portable shroud like you get with the Jemmie set, and pulled a vanishing act as soon as we moved to arrest her? At least THAT would account for her getting far enough away to presumably change clothes, steal, and escape.
This, however, is insanely lame.
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Feds get off easy. Making them look like putzes may be a hobby. Making Klingons to be the answer to the question: How would you rewrite a species in Star Trek to be so much worse in game than ever in the shows? This seems to be the mission of at least two devs that I can think of, one being the shot caller.
Easy: the Klingons lost their marbles after Gorkon died. A species that needs to pick an external fight to avoid self-destructing under the weight of its own decay is not one that's long for this world.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Agreed though I might at least give them credit for Azerbur's chancellorship, however long that lasted. Sadly, I have this bad feeling it would've been a quick assassination. As far as I have seen everything the Klingons have done is attested to by prior precedent in canon. The TNG and DS9 writers deserve the lion's share of the blame for ruining the work done on Undiscovered Country (and Klingon Academy, which I'm half tempted to declare headcanon
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i did, but only because it was so well-done of a game, and it didn't blatantly contradict any canon from TOS or TMP (that i could tell, anyway)
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It was VERY well done indeed...Christopher Plummer was on fire. Heck, so was David Warner. Much as their two characters would've hated to be associated with each other (and DID), the two of them both really represented the last of a dying era among the Klingons as it turns out when we see TNG/DS9.
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don't forget the player's character, torlek (or turlek, however it was spelled); that guy had a damn good voice actor too, and one of the nice things about that game was the player could portray him however they wanted, since most of the dialogue choices in the game were multiple choice (something that was VERY rare outside RPGs back then and unfortunately just as rare today even in RPGs not made by bioware)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Interesting...that was something I didn't get to see from watching the Let's Play on YouTube. Certainly a VERY nice feature.
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I don't blame Denise Crosby for that, in fact, I think she does a great job voicing her and also at making us hate the character, but Sela is overused. I hope Chase Masterson will be a welcome change with Mirror!Leeta.