Why the hell do they all have the nacelles so tight against the primary hull?
What happened to the notion that the engines were designed to be AWAY from the people in the ship, because of the massive energies they give off?
You'll have to take that one up with the designers of the Defiant and the Galor class.
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The chevron in place of the saucer is not something the players came up with or the DEVs of this game developed. If you look at the actual canon ship design you'll see the chevron starting to take over...the Sovereign, Voyager and Prometheus all have chevrons and point to Star Fleet design leaning in that direction.
What's bloody wrong with you voters? Democracy sucks. Qdamnit, Federation starships are NOT Star Destroyers! Damn chevrons to the lowest level of hell! The whole point of the ROUND saucer section of Federation vessels is the maximization of equal logical space for humane living and ease of use and orderliness, all opposite points being equidistant from the bridge. Half saucers and triangles express neither equality, nor efficiency of internal layout for long-term space habitation.
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I am not really one for pretty ships (i.e. form over function) but to use an old adage from aviation, if it looks right generally it is right (i.e. the Spitfire).
Honestly the conventional profile of the Beta would satisfy an evolution from the Ambassador/Galaxy lineage as a base but that saucer in plan view is something from my nightmares with the mission pod conversely being a really nice touch.
The Delta looks like a really ugly evolution of the Stargazer with the saucer section plan outdoing even the Beta's for plain ugliness (sorry to the designer).
I appreciate that a carrier will be big and bulky not just for housing the crew, supplies and fighters/frigates but it has to make an obvious statement of power. That being the qualification it would have to be the Gamma if the images provided are to scale even though I like many of the parts from the other ships.
Have fun voting and hopefully we can get something both pleasing to the eye from the point of view of a very old Trekkie and imposing at the same time.
I voted Delta because there are too many angular/elongated spoony shovel ships already. I feel like we need something bold and commanding while keeping a classic look.
Thank you, that's exactly what I think, Gtvadeimos. Those two designs you mentioned are the best ones of the lot, but they were completely ignored in favor of 'traditional' hull designs.
I'd love to get a petition started to throw out all of those designs (similarly, no offense to the designers, but they all *do* feel like Escorts & Cruisers), & use one or both of those rough sketches.
Going with Gamma on this run, Missed the first poll, but would have chosen Alpha as Beta looked too Galaxy Class'e which we've already had quite a few of. Out of the other 4 we'll be voting on next I'd say Epsilon and Omega
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[quote="rickskynight;12729824"]Voted gamma even though both ships are uglier than sin..
Here is thought crpytic... lets break this down in a way everyone is happy. Lets vote for each piece of the ship.. we can have a quad nacelle vs a dual nacelle vote.. a round saucer vs. monstrosity saucer vote, etc etc.. and then you put the ship together for us..
What Im seeing are design aspects that are split up... things that are on one ship that would look so much better on the other ship.[/quote]
The chevron in place of the saucer is not something the players came up with or the DEVs of this game developed. If you look at the actual canon ship design you'll see the chevron starting to take over...the Sovereign, Voyager and Prometheus all have chevrons and point to Star Fleet design leaning in that direction.
Agreed, if you like latter 24th century design, it's not a stretch. Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of what Cryptic's done with certain T6 designs (Scryer...ugh), but things like the Vesta are certainly in continuity with the latter onscreen canon. Whether anyone likes it or not, the chevron primary hull IS a traditional Starfleet design...just a newer tradition.
Now, I do not really LIKE Gamma...I'm eying Theta as a final design, as while it has the chevron primary hull, it also comes off as having sufficient bulk to be a 25th-century carrier (and not just a "light carrier" like the Vesta). But to me Delta is just not even slightly appealing.
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Gamma for now, delta looks too much like a flying saucer, real ugly. Can we expect a T6 Vo'Quv & Romulan version after this?, maybe throw in some kdf & romulan sci ships while you're at it.
You all remember when Spock died? And he had the death scene with Kirk, and then there was the funeral, and Kirk's voice cracked and Scotty played the bagpipes, and we all teared up (don't even try to deny it)?
The way this vote is going is sadder than that.
Eightrichte - I agree with a lot of what you've said. Like another poster above it appears I lost the first vote with Beta although not entirely sure--facebook may have more favored it, and don't know twitter results. I also however voted for Delta here. I think I could warm up to Gamma if it took the forward 25% of Delta's top & side view and paste it over Gamma. Surprisingly I even did this in Photoshop and was shocked in that the only thing I had to do was reduce Delta's image size by 5% to make certain sauser circular lines align perfectly. It even fit the bottom profile very nicely and gave the appearance of a rounded sauser (in front) yet still gained the slightly slimer profile of Delta with nice side impulse shown on the Gamma.
I voted Delta although the exercise above was trying to find something I could be at least happy with or willing to fly. I do however like one characteristic that Gamma had, far side mounted impulse engines, on the carrier similar to Beta.
Generally I agree though I think (may have started the star destroyer analysis) as Alpha & Omega in particular appears a lot like the Acclamator-class Star Destroyer. It's also the reason that if that's the way people only want to go with Carriers (they want them large) then give them only 3 forward & 2 rear weapons [Engineering Preference] and make them carriers with 3 hangers--but make them slower turn rates given their size. Then provide light carriers with 2 hangers for those who want more manueverable science carriers with 3 forward & 3 rear OR 4 forward & 2 rear weapons.
The chevron in place of the saucer is not something the players came up with or the DEVs of this game developed. If you look at the actual canon ship design you'll see the chevron starting to take over...the Sovereign, Voyager and Prometheus all have chevrons and point to Star Fleet design leaning in that direction.
I agree. This is exactly the reason why I have voted for Alpha in first contest and now for Gamma in this one, and why I prefer Omega design overall. It's not that hate round saucers, but the one on Delta looks weird with that forward protrusion and her nacelles arrangement is just plain ugly to me. Besides that, chevron saucer looks much sleeker from rounded ones.
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I liked a lot the saucer of Delta. But the positioning of the nacelle spoiled the design in such a terrible way that I had no choice but to vote #TeamGamma.
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The chevron in place of the saucer is not something the players came up with or the DEVs of this game developed. If you look at the actual canon ship design you'll see the chevron starting to take over...the Sovereign, Voyager and Prometheus all have chevrons and point to Star Fleet design leaning in that direction.
I agree. This is exactly the reason why I have voted for Alpha in first contest and now for Gamma in this one, and why I prefer Omega design overall. It's not that hate round saucers, but the one on Delta looks weird with that forward protrusion and her nacelles arrangement is just plain ugly to me. Besides that, chevron saucer looks much sleeker from rounded ones.
Meh, Starfleet stuff just isn't usually streamlined... Being round is what makes it different than the aliens.
I chose Gamma because I think, "Wow, that is one fat saucer on Delta! No thank you, I'll go with something better!" Although I do think they should also include Delta's Nacelles on Gamma.
While I don't care for any of the choices, I think I'll just vote for the losing ship each time from here on.
Why the hell do they all have the nacelles so tight against the primary hull?
What happened to the notion that the engines were designed to be AWAY from the people in the ship, because of the massive energies they give off?
I really prefer the classic Treknologies to this new TRIBBLE.
I would imagine that the shielding around the nacelles has been improved over the 200-plus years of the Federation so that they no longer emit enormous amounts of energy; either that or those areas are designed more for cargo and/or engineering facilities than habitation.
Seems like the status quo aggressive saucers are winning out overall so far. I've voted the other way both times and am sad to see the less imaginative options are the winning options. Do we really need another copy of ships we already have?
Thank you, that's exactly what I think, Gtvadeimos. Those two designs you mentioned are the best ones of the lot, but they were completely ignored in favor of 'traditional' hull designs.
I'd love to get a petition started to throw out all of those designs (similarly, no offense to the designers, but they all *do* feel like Escorts & Cruisers), & use one or both of those rough sketches.
Consider that petition signed, though trendy already stated in the first face off thread that there is no hope of getting other designs in the contest as this apparently took months of prep... which really just makes me wonder exactly how inefficient their process is. >>
The only rational explanation for the length of time would be if these ships have all actually been rather fleshed out already, in which case they should have shown us more detail from the get go and not "update as the candidates narrow." Nothing like making uninformed decisions... It will be pretty sad/hilarious if people find the design they voted for looks fantastic from above/the side only to find the 3/4 view, aft view, fore view, ventral view, every other view all look horrendous. At the very least the competition should have started off with a full orthographic of the concepts.
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You all remember when Spock died? And he had the death scene with Kirk, and then there was the funeral, and Kirk's voice cracked and Scotty played the bagpipes, and we all teared up (don't even try to deny it)?
The way this vote is going is sadder than that.
Eightrichte - I agree with a lot of what you've said. Like another poster above it appears I lost the first vote with Beta although not entirely sure--facebook may have more favored it, and don't know twitter results. I also however voted for Delta here. I think I could warm up to Gamma if it took the forward 25% of Delta's top & side view and paste it over Gamma. Surprisingly I even did this in Photoshop and was shocked in that the only thing I had to do was reduce Delta's image size by 5% to make certain sauser circular lines align perfectly. It even fit the bottom profile very nicely and gave the appearance of a rounded sauser (in front) yet still gained the slightly slimer profile of Delta with nice side impulse shown on the Gamma.
I voted Delta although the exercise above was trying to find something I could be at least happy with or willing to fly. I do however like one characteristic that Gamma had, far side mounted impulse engines, on the carrier similar to Beta. The only other real compliment I can give Gamma is it appears to have the appearance of a small lower hull section.
Generally I agree though I think (may have started the star destroyer analysis) as Alpha & Omega in particular appears a lot like the Acclamator-class Star Destroyer. It's also the reason that if that's the way people only want to go with Carriers (they want them large) then give them only 3 forward & 2 rear weapons [Engineering Preference] and make them carriers with 3 hangers--but make them slower turn rates given their size. Then provide light carriers with 2 hangers for those who want more manueverable science carriers with 3 forward & 3 rear OR 4 forward & 2 rear weapons.
Our beloved beta is indeed dead. If you look on the contest page, they've grayed her out and moved alpha down the bracket. I assume that includes an accurate count of the twitter/facebook votes.
The Nebula-configured Odyssey needs to be a thing.
I went with Gamma. To tell the truth no federation ship screams carrier. Even though all star trek star ships are twice the size of one and have about a 1/5th of the crew of a modern carrier.
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You'll have to take that one up with the designers of the Defiant and the Galor class.
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I am not really one for pretty ships (i.e. form over function) but to use an old adage from aviation, if it looks right generally it is right (i.e. the Spitfire).
Honestly the conventional profile of the Beta would satisfy an evolution from the Ambassador/Galaxy lineage as a base but that saucer in plan view is something from my nightmares
The Delta looks like a really ugly evolution of the Stargazer with the saucer section plan outdoing even the Beta's for plain ugliness (sorry to the designer).
I appreciate that a carrier will be big and bulky not just for housing the crew, supplies and fighters/frigates but it has to make an obvious statement of power. That being the qualification it would have to be the Gamma if the images provided are to scale even though I like many of the parts from the other ships.
Have fun voting and hopefully we can get something both pleasing to the eye from the point of view of a very old Trekkie and imposing at the same time.
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Thank you, that's exactly what I think, Gtvadeimos. Those two designs you mentioned are the best ones of the lot, but they were completely ignored in favor of 'traditional' hull designs.
I'd love to get a petition started to throw out all of those designs (similarly, no offense to the designers, but they all *do* feel like Escorts & Cruisers), & use one or both of those rough sketches.
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The way this vote is going is sadder than that.
Here is thought crpytic... lets break this down in a way everyone is happy. Lets vote for each piece of the ship.. we can have a quad nacelle vs a dual nacelle vote.. a round saucer vs. monstrosity saucer vote, etc etc.. and then you put the ship together for us..
What Im seeing are design aspects that are split up... things that are on one ship that would look so much better on the other ship.[/quote]
Yes!
Agreed, if you like latter 24th century design, it's not a stretch. Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of what Cryptic's done with certain T6 designs (Scryer...ugh), but things like the Vesta are certainly in continuity with the latter onscreen canon. Whether anyone likes it or not, the chevron primary hull IS a traditional Starfleet design...just a newer tradition.
Now, I do not really LIKE Gamma...I'm eying Theta as a final design, as while it has the chevron primary hull, it also comes off as having sufficient bulk to be a 25th-century carrier (and not just a "light carrier" like the Vesta). But to me Delta is just not even slightly appealing.
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Eightrichte - I agree with a lot of what you've said. Like another poster above it appears I lost the first vote with Beta although not entirely sure--facebook may have more favored it, and don't know twitter results. I also however voted for Delta here. I think I could warm up to Gamma if it took the forward 25% of Delta's top & side view and paste it over Gamma. Surprisingly I even did this in Photoshop and was shocked in that the only thing I had to do was reduce Delta's image size by 5% to make certain sauser circular lines align perfectly. It even fit the bottom profile very nicely and gave the appearance of a rounded sauser (in front) yet still gained the slightly slimer profile of Delta with nice side impulse shown on the Gamma.
I voted Delta although the exercise above was trying to find something I could be at least happy with or willing to fly. I do however like one characteristic that Gamma had, far side mounted impulse engines, on the carrier similar to Beta.
Generally I agree though I think (may have started the star destroyer analysis) as Alpha & Omega in particular appears a lot like the Acclamator-class Star Destroyer. It's also the reason that if that's the way people only want to go with Carriers (they want them large) then give them only 3 forward & 2 rear weapons [Engineering Preference] and make them carriers with 3 hangers--but make them slower turn rates given their size. Then provide light carriers with 2 hangers for those who want more manueverable science carriers with 3 forward & 3 rear OR 4 forward & 2 rear weapons.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator-class_assault_ship?file=Republic_Assault_Ship.jpg
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Destroyer?file=Acclamator_side_landed.jpg
I agree. This is exactly the reason why I have voted for Alpha in first contest and now for Gamma in this one, and why I prefer Omega design overall. It's not that hate round saucers, but the one on Delta looks weird with that forward protrusion and her nacelles arrangement is just plain ugly to me. Besides that, chevron saucer looks much sleeker from rounded ones.
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I would imagine that the shielding around the nacelles has been improved over the 200-plus years of the Federation so that they no longer emit enormous amounts of energy; either that or those areas are designed more for cargo and/or engineering facilities than habitation.
Consider that petition signed, though trendy already stated in the first face off thread that there is no hope of getting other designs in the contest as this apparently took months of prep... which really just makes me wonder exactly how inefficient their process is. >>
The only rational explanation for the length of time would be if these ships have all actually been rather fleshed out already, in which case they should have shown us more detail from the get go and not "update as the candidates narrow." Nothing like making uninformed decisions... It will be pretty sad/hilarious if people find the design they voted for looks fantastic from above/the side only to find the 3/4 view, aft view, fore view, ventral view, every other view all look horrendous. At the very least the competition should have started off with a full orthographic of the concepts.
The Nebula-configured Odyssey needs to be a thing.
Our beloved beta is indeed dead. If you look on the contest page, they've grayed her out and moved alpha down the bracket. I assume that includes an accurate count of the twitter/facebook votes.
The Nebula-configured Odyssey needs to be a thing.