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koraheaglecry
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Isnt the purpose of Season 11 to go in a different direction? So why are we immediately diving into another conflict when Cryptic is trying to convince us that the Alliance has lost somewhere around 2/3rds or more of our collective forces?
Now we have to deal with ANOTHER invasion of the Mirror Universe and another facepalm worthy story involving fighting that Cryptic didnt think through thoroughly...
I know the addiction to the pewpew is real. But youd think we could handle a handful of missions that dont revolve around us committing more genocide..Even if its just for a few missions. I can only imagine the strain on my Ships Counselor with all the PTSD my crew is suffering from.
Now we have to deal with ANOTHER invasion of the Mirror Universe and another facepalm worthy story involving fighting that Cryptic didnt think through thoroughly...
I know the addiction to the pewpew is real. But youd think we could handle a handful of missions that dont revolve around us committing more genocide..Even if its just for a few missions. I can only imagine the strain on my Ships Counselor with all the PTSD my crew is suffering from.
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I'm kidding. But really what do you expect? It's an MMO. They have to give us someone to fight every season, and if it's not a major conflict there's no reason to send someone our rank (Fleet Admirals now!) to go deal with it.
Yes there are plot holes, not everything is perfect. But Cryptic does put effort into the story and takes it seriously. It could be worse - like in WoW where some zones don't take the lore seriously at all and are humorous parodies of things, like Redridge Mountains. I hated Keeshan so much.
I expect them to actually follow through on the 'We're going in a different direction' comment theyve made. I dont expect them to forever cast away pewpew. But if we're rebuilding our forces as they try to indicate with the interviews and the announcement of New Dawn. Im finding it difficult to believe we can actually rebuild after what was supposedly a crippling war, only to turn around and start losing ships to our Mirror selves with future tech. Its not a small plothole by any means. Its a huge sinkhole that is reflective of how terrible their writing has been of late.
If you call the Iconian Story Arc a serious effort. Then good for you that you can over look the glaring issues with it. And good for you that you can overlook the glaring issues with stepping into another conflict. Even a minor one is a hard pill to swallow at this point.
Im simply pointing out a new conflict and a new immediate threat is not good story telling. Putting some emphasis on actual rebuilding without any conflict in a handful of FEs would not hurt them. It be a breath of fresh air and actually give players a chance to do something different for a change. MMO or not, not every mission/quest in other MMOs revolve around conflict. But thats all we get in this game, even when there is plenty of room for other encounters considering the franchise and lore.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Im not talking about an exploration system.
I keep giving them simple ideas how to do it.
I mean a 30 year old PC game that was inspired by Star Trek could do it, why not STO?
Dont forget that the trailer showed us also several encounters with the Tholians. All violent.
That said, I still have enjoyed the main storyline missions I've played.
Um what?
Look. Im the first person to point out that yes in deed Starfleet is a military organization as much as its an exploration and science organization. But even galactic factions have a limit to their ability to fight when theyve committed themselves to war after war and conflict after conflict. This latest Story Arc has painted our factions in the most dire of situations with atleast 2/3rds of our forces destroyed. We're so pressed for a win against a ever losing war that we've turned to the Temporal Weapon deployed by the Krenim. Now I dont know how much the Iconians and the Mirror Verse stories are going to cross over. But I doubt the Mirror Verse will be coming to our rescue and I doubt we'll stand idly by while they establish a foothold in our Verse. Which means more bloodshed for the Alliance.
The idea of rebuilding in the middle of another conflict just makes me want to shake my head. It wouldnt harm them and their bottom line if they just added an adventure zone and a handful of FEs that revolved around a storyline that didnt require us to go pewpew. Or atleast pull the trigger on anything representing another faction at least for the FEs the non-combat story was revolving around. Maybe coming across another one of the Libraries full of the Preservers. We know they still have other locations in the galaxy.
Considering the fact that
... Having to deal mainly with stray troops and the Mirror universe kinda reduces the amounts of enemies we have to deal with... A single dedicated enemy might not be so bad.
I think the big difference is for ENT, TOS & TNG the Federation was never actually at war longer than half an episode (Errand of Mercy for example). Now we have countless wars all at the same time and we are never given an opportunity to pull a Picard on a conflict. Even DS9's Dominion War was THE thing because it was a war (the Klingon example cited falls under the less-than an episode rule if you count the two-parter as one episode and the Marquis was a minor side issue).
Yes, the Federation can have enemies, but for every Way of the Warrior there were 20 Darmoks. It's about proportion. New Romulus shows it is possible, lets expand on that concept.
ENT: A minor engagement with a new species that does nothing more than scratch the paint is far from an equal comparison for what we've seen in this game.
TOS: The only time the Klingons were in open war with the Federation a more powerful species stepped in and put a stop to it. All the other run ins would be considered skirmishes. A skirmish and a conflict is not one in the same.
TNG: Again, skirmishes. Skirmishes rarely do anything to actually affect either sides ability to defend/attack on a large scale.
DS9: Marquis didnt go around attacking the Federation. In fact it was the other way around. Its quite easy to beat on an opponent that isnt fighting back. The Federation and Klingons got into a minor conflict that ended not long after it began. Any losses would of been insignificant. And the Dominion War was the first time we ever saw Starfleet go to war. And it was only able to turn the tide thanks to WMDs deployed by S31 and the sudden turn of the Cardassians. That war was well over 30 years ago compared to where we are in game.
VOY: Again, skirmishes.
skir·mish
ˈskərmiSH/
noun
noun: skirmish; plural noun: skirmishes
1.
an episode of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts of armies or fleets.
con·flict (kŏn′flĭkt′)
n.
1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
A skirmish can be as little as two ships exchanging a few shots at each other. A conflict can be a battle or an undeclared war that swallows up units, equipment and resources. One can see the loss of a single, possibly easily replaceable ship/unit. The other can have much wider impacts on the success or failure of a group or faction.
8472 may no longer be actively engaging us, but they did their fair share of damage from killing off key members of Starfleet and the Federation and replacing them. As well as numerous actual battles that saw the loss of ships.
Sela may have gone along with the Tal Shiar but I seriously doubt she was calling the shots. The Tal Shiar continued to operate well after Sela was kidnapped. Indicating that either she wasnt that big of a player in the whole thing, or she was easily replaceable. The end result was quite a bit of conflict between the Federation and RR against the Tal Shiar and Romulan Star Navy. Ships, equipment and resources were committed and lost to engagements involving the Tal Shiar.
The Dominions lost fleet actually captured DS9 at one point. Killing quite a few Starfleet and Klingon personnel. Once again resources had to be committed to retake DS9 even with the help of the Founder we had locked up. An actual battle ensued. Even 30 years after the Dominion War, that one fleet was able to give the Federation a run for its money.
The ceasefire with the Klingons was called into effect not long before our leap into the Delta Quadrant. The Federation-Klingon War went on for a solid 5 years from 2405 to 2410. While it was cooling off by the time our Captains came onto the scene. There was plenty of time for both sides to take heavy losses.
The Borg was only contained after a commitment by two warring factions to set aside their differences to deal with them. Ships, equipment and resources were once again committed to combat the Borg.
The True Way unlike the Marquis actively attacked the Federation and its resources. While we definitely sent them packing at the end of the day. They obviously did enough damage and posed enough of a threat for us to bother with them. Dealing with Terrorists is actually much more resource demanding than all out wars as you cant defeat an ideology no matter how many bombs you drop on their heads.
Iconians are not defeated. I dont know what storyline youve played. But theyre still winning battles left and right even after we pushed the Erase button. And even if we were to defeat them in the next FE. Are you trying to imply that the following day we would have replacement ships and crew for all of the ships and crew we lost over the course of the Iconian War?
It's about quantity, not quality.
We Know for a fact that we will win the war with the iconians... We may simply force them to retreat, or win all out... But we will win. How do I know? Hero-shield and Season 11 trailer.
I was going to suggest that you re-watch the episodes concerning the TNG cardassian wars, as well as the DS9 Klingon wars... cause those were wars, not just skirmishes... Of cause you won't do that, because your mind is set on being right, so it's energy wasted.
Aside from that... has there been other things than skirmishes with the enemies in the game? I mean really?
I have only been in light fights with any opponents thus far... on Elite... Easy battles againt few easy to kill ships.
Heck it seems like the Iconians were a side conflict for seasons 10 and 10.5 . Not much of a war from the perspective that I have seen so far.
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