The worst part of this exploit is now Devs will have to be more tight lipped about bugs and fixes going forward... I guess that's why we can't have nice things.
It's probably a good idea that the devs try to be tight lipped about anything that can be exploited before it's fixed.
Ok this needs to be fixed ASAP. Every social zone is flooded with them and they wont go out. Its bogging down my PC every time I load into a ground map.
Are you running Windows 3.1 or something???
My boggo standard laptop (which is also 3.5 years old) running with its standard intel graphics card doessn't get lag no matter how many disco balls are deployed, so if you are seeing issues that I'm not, then your machine is the issue.
Get a new machine you cheapskate!
Normally I wouldn't be so assertive on forums, but people running ancient machines should know when it's time to upgrade. It wouldn't be STO's fault, it would be yours.
"I have sandwich, so you can't be hungry" is not a valid argument, and even if it was, there are a lot more things that impact lag than just the graphics card or the computer itself.
Also, you aren't being assertive; what you are doing is being a judgemental **** launching into a near irrelevant diatribe - you have no evidence (presented here, I accept it may exist elsewhere) that this person is A. a cheapskate, B. running a low spec computer, C. that the lag is actually the fault of their system; you could have the best stuff in the world and still get lag.
Being assertive would be politely saying "Look mate, lag can be caused by several things, one of which is the system you run; what are you running STO on? Does it meet the requirements to run STO, because if not you may find upgrading to a better system will fix the issue."
Edit - which the OP should probably at least check, the minimum spec for STO as listed is for the game at launch, not what it is up to today...
Frame rate loss, stutters and stalls is hardware, not lag.
Rubberbanding, stutter to back step is lag.
In fairness though, the graphics engine in this game is terrible and very poorly optimised. If a few party amplifiers are causing you to struggle, turn your graphics down a bit until the issue is solved, hell, get it right you won't even see s difference in look.
*Herald voice* "Let there be darkness!" I'll now be both loved and hated, I have destroyed all the amps in Drozana #1 with one fell swoop. Let's just say, I'm a master of triolic sorcery!
Nice to see you two trolling with ad nauseams just because you disagree with someone. Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying, you might have an actual conversation (probably not though, you've both shown you're not quite mature enough to take part in a discussion with multiple viewpoints).
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying,
First of all, his post had no "actual point" to begin with. It was a "once upon a time" fairytale. Second, my "actual point" was right before the part you quoted, you just ignored it so you could try to make a clever reply. Try harder.
Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying,
First of all, his post had no "actual point" to begin with. It was a "once upon a time" fairytale. Second, my "actual point" was right before the part you quoted, you just ignored it so you could try to make a clever reply. Try harder.
See, that's much better. Nice to see that you can rise above the first grade "haha I'm repeating something over and over" bit.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Mods, please merge these two pointless threads then close that merged thread. Thanks in advance.
Its actually a violation of the FCT.
Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them.
The FCT is only enforced when the Mod's feel like it...
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
*Herald voice* "Let there be darkness!" I'll now be both loved and hated, I have destroyed all the amps in Drozana #1 with one fell swoop. Let's just say, I'm a master of triolic sorcery!
Considering the low chance to trigger the desired effect, that must have taken you ages to do.
*Herald voice* "Let there be darkness!" I'll now be both loved and hated, I have destroyed all the amps in Drozana #1 with one fell swoop. Let's just say, I'm a master of triolic sorcery!
Considering the low chance to trigger the desired effect, that must have taken you ages to do.
Perhaps, but triolic sorcery always rewards the faithfully patient mage (Chroniton jolt, automated adrenal hypo, overhcharge trait, commando tree, all helps greatly)! And of course the blessings of the Devidian phantasm god, now go forth and enjoy your cleaner station and beaches while they last, and pay tribute to the Phantasms might!
The worst part of this exploit is now Devs will have to be more tight lipped about bugs and fixes going forward... I guess that's why we can't have nice things.
It's probably a good idea that the devs try to be tight lipped about anything that can be exploited before it's fixed.
Especially when some see this as an affirmation to go hog-wild in deploying the bloody things.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The worst part of this exploit is now Devs will have to be more tight lipped about bugs and fixes going forward... I guess that's why we can't have nice things.
It's probably a good idea that the devs try to be tight lipped about anything that can be exploited before it's fixed.
Especially when some see this as an affirmation to go hog-wild in deploying the bloody things.
Borticus told us to enjoy this awesome thing while it lasted, he's not some prat.
It's literally the funniest and coolest thing to happen in sto in ages.
The worst part of this exploit is now Devs will have to be more tight lipped about bugs and fixes going forward... I guess that's why we can't have nice things.
It's probably a good idea that the devs try to be tight lipped about anything that can be exploited before it's fixed.
Especially when some see this as an affirmation to go hog-wild in deploying the bloody things.
Borticus told us to enjoy this awesome thing while it lasted, he's not some prat.
It's literally the funniest and coolest thing to happen in sto in ages.
There is a thing called a sense of humor guys!
I believe he also said to knock it off.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Mods, please merge these two pointless threads then close that merged thread. Thanks in advance.
Its actually a violation of the FCT.
Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them.
The FCT is only enforced when the Mod's feel like it...
The notion of the FCT is ridiculous to begin with.
Nice to see you two trolling with ad nauseams just because you disagree with someone. Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying, you might have an actual conversation (probably not though, you've both shown you're not quite mature enough to take part in a discussion with multiple viewpoints).
Actual point? His biggest "pro" argument is a bunch of pseudo-scriptural nonsense about cleansing lights and blood sacrifice. This might even be considered appropriate from a RP stance of this were an MMO that actually included this kinda stuff in its canon but no. This is Star Trek Online, where the accepted babble is pseudo-science. So, I might consider stopping when Druk stops the nonsense, but in the meanwhile, I'd request that he and his defenders please stop acting like this.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Nice to see you two trolling with ad nauseams just because you disagree with someone. Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying, you might have an actual conversation (probably not though, you've both shown you're not quite mature enough to take part in a discussion with multiple viewpoints).
Actual point? His biggest "pro" argument is a bunch of pseudo-scriptural nonsense about cleansing lights and blood sacrifice. This might even be considered appropriate from a RP stance of this were an MMO that actually included this kinda stuff in its canon but no. This is Star Trek Online, where the accepted babble is pseudo-science. So, I might consider stopping when Druk stops the nonsense, but in the meanwhile, I'd request that he and his defenders please stop acting like this.
This is Star Trek Online, where the accepted babble is pseudo-science.
Because magic planet making torpedoes are totally scientifically accurate.
Or the ability to deconstruct people down to atoms, send them down to a planet, and reconstruct them without a receiving pad for that matter.
And thus, I called it both "babble" and "pseudo-science" but guess what? It's still Star Trek canon. Blood sacrifice and cleansing light? Not. If you and Druk want to defend this stance using Star Trek babble rather than Whatever-Fantasy-it-is-in-Your-Head babble, great. I look forward to it. Meanwhile, please stop acting like this.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Mods, please merge these two pointless threads then close that merged thread. Thanks in advance.
Its actually a violation of the FCT.
Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them.
FCT is not TOS. I really wish people would stop hopping on the FCT bandwagon. Its a bunch of nonsense that a particular mod decided to power trip with. Any time hes annoyed with a particular topic it goes into the FCT so he can have an excuse to immediately close it whether there was a legitimate issue taking place in the thread or not. Some of them may have a tendency to turn into flame wars. But its not as if those involved in these flamewars arent habitual offenders that should of been banned by now. Its all laziness. If they cant keep up with the forums due to real life obligations then they need to hand over their authority and have someone else more capable step in.
Mods, please merge these two pointless threads then close that merged thread. Thanks in advance.
Its actually a violation of the FCT.
Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them.
FCT is not TOS. I really wish people would stop hopping on the FCT bandwagon. Its a bunch of nonsense that a particular mod decided to power trip with. Any time hes annoyed with a particular topic it goes into the FCT so he can have an excuse to immediately close it whether there was a legitimate issue taking place in the thread or not. Some of them may have a tendency to turn into flame wars. But its not as if those involved in these flamewars arent habitual offenders that should of been banned by now. Its all laziness. If they cant keep up with the forums due to real life obligations then they need to hand over their authority and have someone else more capable step in.
Actually, laziness would be no moderation at all. It takes more effort to close a thread than to do nothing, therefore it is not laziness. Either way, discussing moderation actually is against the TOS.
Mods, please merge these two pointless threads then close that merged thread. Thanks in advance.
Its actually a violation of the FCT.
Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them.
FCT is not TOS. I really wish people would stop hopping on the FCT bandwagon. Its a bunch of nonsense that a particular mod decided to power trip with. Any time hes annoyed with a particular topic it goes into the FCT so he can have an excuse to immediately close it whether there was a legitimate issue taking place in the thread or not. Some of them may have a tendency to turn into flame wars. But its not as if those involved in these flamewars arent habitual offenders that should of been banned by now. Its all laziness. If they cant keep up with the forums due to real life obligations then they need to hand over their authority and have someone else more capable step in.
Actually, laziness would be no moderation at all. It takes more effort to close a thread than to do nothing, therefore it is not laziness. Either way, discussing moderation actually is against the TOS.
Honestly Nagus. Go find someone else to nag and debate with. Laziness does not fall in to such strict constraints as you want to argue. And thanks? Im never not shocked to see someone idiotically try and remind people 'oh no..you broke TOS by mentioning moderation.'. You know whats going to happen to me? Nothing. If they arent being lazy, theyll delete or alter my post. And yours since by quoting me youre also discussing moderation.
Borticus told us to enjoy this awesome thing while it lasted, he's not some prat.
It's literally the funniest and coolest thing to happen in sto in ages.
There is a thing called a sense of humor guys!
He said have fun not to spam it like you guys have. And don't forget he came back on after the weekend and said to knock it off on more deployments, or did you forget that little nugget of light?
I have a very good sense of humor and am the life of meetings at work. Also, I and most others have no problem with the Holy Handgrenades of Antioch or whatever you call them, it is the excess to which you go in deploying them to purposefully annoy people. And all this North Korean Propaganda prattle we could all do without as well.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And yours since by quoting me youre also discussing moderation.
Nope, that's wrong. Telling someone what is in the forum rules is not "discussing moderation". Talking about the actions taken by the moderators is "discussing moderation".
The worst part of this exploit is now Devs will have to be more tight lipped about bugs and fixes going forward... I guess that's why we can't have nice things.
It's probably a good idea that the devs try to be tight lipped about anything that can be exploited before it's fixed.
Especially when some see this as an affirmation to go hog-wild in deploying the bloody things.
Borticus told us to enjoy this awesome thing while it lasted, he's not some prat.
It's literally the funniest and coolest thing to happen in sto in ages.
There is a thing called a sense of humor guys!
You know...
I want to agree. But the reality is, senses of humor VARY. And nobody should be the butt of a joke unless they're in a position of power. Punching down is a form of bullying and there should be zero tolerance for comedy that punches down.
And that is my issue with the disco balls, certain fleet's behavior, and with what I see as developer insensitivity to that point, including the FCT policy on this topic, which I think borders on immoral levels of insensitivity.
It's like when the warden in the movie The Last Castle tosses a single basketball onto the prison basketball court and lets the inmates fight over it. He claims he's not responsible for their violent nature.
I disagree with that perspective. The FCT policy and introduction of toys into a game that can be directed at people of low power with no sense of humor (or a different sense of humor) constitutes gross disregard, bullying, and a moral lapse. I think I'd get along very well with most of the folks at Cryptic ON THE WHOLE but this is one area where I feel like they're acting with a sense of privilege and engaging in ableism, enabling a destructive and morally repugnant culture.
Comedy is great. There's no sense in trying to push slapstick on someone who is powerless or potentially disabled in some way.
I don't think anything here constitutes flaming. Nor am I discussing any actual act of moderation. I am, however, supplying a secular moral opinion on a related subject. I think those are allowed.
You guys got this all wrong .... the reason why disco balls are being used like this is because a certain fleet which I cannot name is exploiting them so that girls who role play cannot go to Drozana and dance and role play and have fun. these people are up to their old tricks. They will find other exploits and use them to stop role players from role playing. They are causing this game to spend time fixing something that shouldn't have to be fixed .. I tried to expose these people before but all I got was shunned. maybe now the devs can see this as a provocation and ban these people from the game.. cause they are here to do no good.
You guys got this all wrong .... the reason why disco balls are being used like this is because a certain fleet which I cannot name is exploiting them so that girls who role play cannot go to Drozana and dance and role play and have fun. these people are up to their old tricks. They will find other exploits and use them to stop role players from role playing. They are causing this game to spend time fixing something that shouldn't have to be fixed .. I tried to expose these people before but all I got was shunned. maybe now the devs can see this as a provocation and ban these people from the game.. cause they are here to do no good.
No need to expose them.
The devs would have to be epicly dense to not be aware of them and to think this bug wouldn't be abused by them.
However, giving the bug to everyone is a plausible deniability way of getting it to them and providing them a cover for their actions.
The only question is what ties the devs have with them. Without someone providing cover from the higher parts of the food chain they should have been gone long ago.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
You guys got this all wrong .... the reason why disco balls are being used like this is because a certain fleet which I cannot name is exploiting them so that girls who role play cannot go to Drozana and dance and role play and have fun. these people are up to their old tricks. They will find other exploits and use them to stop role players from role playing. They are causing this game to spend time fixing something that shouldn't have to be fixed .. I tried to expose these people before but all I got was shunned. maybe now the devs can see this as a provocation and ban these people from the game.. cause they are here to do no good.
Really, Lina? Discoballs are stopping people from dancing and having fun?
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I have a sandwich, it's delicious.
Frame rate loss, stutters and stalls is hardware, not lag.
Rubberbanding, stutter to back step is lag.
In fairness though, the graphics engine in this game is terrible and very poorly optimised. If a few party amplifiers are causing you to struggle, turn your graphics down a bit until the issue is solved, hell, get it right you won't even see s difference in look.
Nice to see you two trolling with ad nauseams just because you disagree with someone. Try thinking of actual points against what he's saying, you might have an actual conversation (probably not though, you've both shown you're not quite mature enough to take part in a discussion with multiple viewpoints).
First of all, his post had no "actual point" to begin with. It was a "once upon a time" fairytale. Second, my "actual point" was right before the part you quoted, you just ignored it so you could try to make a clever reply. Try harder.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
See, that's much better. Nice to see that you can rise above the first grade "haha I'm repeating something over and over" bit.
The FCT is only enforced when the Mod's feel like it...
Perhaps, but triolic sorcery always rewards the faithfully patient mage (Chroniton jolt, automated adrenal hypo, overhcharge trait, commando tree, all helps greatly)! And of course the blessings of the Devidian phantasm god, now go forth and enjoy your cleaner station and beaches while they last, and pay tribute to the Phantasms might!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You should really stop acting like this.
/zing
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I believe he also said to knock it off.
The notion of the FCT is ridiculous to begin with.
Actual point? His biggest "pro" argument is a bunch of pseudo-scriptural nonsense about cleansing lights and blood sacrifice. This might even be considered appropriate from a RP stance of this were an MMO that actually included this kinda stuff in its canon but no. This is Star Trek Online, where the accepted babble is pseudo-science. So, I might consider stopping when Druk stops the nonsense, but in the meanwhile, I'd request that he and his defenders please stop acting like this.
Because magic planet making torpedoes are totally scientifically accurate.
Or the ability to deconstruct people down to atoms, send them down to a planet, and reconstruct them without a receiving pad for that matter.
FCT is not TOS. I really wish people would stop hopping on the FCT bandwagon. Its a bunch of nonsense that a particular mod decided to power trip with. Any time hes annoyed with a particular topic it goes into the FCT so he can have an excuse to immediately close it whether there was a legitimate issue taking place in the thread or not. Some of them may have a tendency to turn into flame wars. But its not as if those involved in these flamewars arent habitual offenders that should of been banned by now. Its all laziness. If they cant keep up with the forums due to real life obligations then they need to hand over their authority and have someone else more capable step in.
Actually, laziness would be no moderation at all. It takes more effort to close a thread than to do nothing, therefore it is not laziness. Either way, discussing moderation actually is against the TOS.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Honestly Nagus. Go find someone else to nag and debate with. Laziness does not fall in to such strict constraints as you want to argue. And thanks? Im never not shocked to see someone idiotically try and remind people 'oh no..you broke TOS by mentioning moderation.'. You know whats going to happen to me? Nothing. If they arent being lazy, theyll delete or alter my post. And yours since by quoting me youre also discussing moderation.
He said have fun not to spam it like you guys have. And don't forget he came back on after the weekend and said to knock it off on more deployments, or did you forget that little nugget of light?
I have a very good sense of humor and am the life of meetings at work. Also, I and most others have no problem with the Holy Handgrenades of Antioch or whatever you call them, it is the excess to which you go in deploying them to purposefully annoy people. And all this North Korean Propaganda prattle we could all do without as well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Where are the flames then? All I see is people saying that they don't like something.
The big thing I see is that this belongs merged with the bug thread. This thread isn't about the balls. It's about the bug.
Nope, that's wrong. Telling someone what is in the forum rules is not "discussing moderation". Talking about the actions taken by the moderators is "discussing moderation".
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You know...
I want to agree. But the reality is, senses of humor VARY. And nobody should be the butt of a joke unless they're in a position of power. Punching down is a form of bullying and there should be zero tolerance for comedy that punches down.
And that is my issue with the disco balls, certain fleet's behavior, and with what I see as developer insensitivity to that point, including the FCT policy on this topic, which I think borders on immoral levels of insensitivity.
It's like when the warden in the movie The Last Castle tosses a single basketball onto the prison basketball court and lets the inmates fight over it. He claims he's not responsible for their violent nature.
I disagree with that perspective. The FCT policy and introduction of toys into a game that can be directed at people of low power with no sense of humor (or a different sense of humor) constitutes gross disregard, bullying, and a moral lapse. I think I'd get along very well with most of the folks at Cryptic ON THE WHOLE but this is one area where I feel like they're acting with a sense of privilege and engaging in ableism, enabling a destructive and morally repugnant culture.
Comedy is great. There's no sense in trying to push slapstick on someone who is powerless or potentially disabled in some way.
I don't think anything here constitutes flaming. Nor am I discussing any actual act of moderation. I am, however, supplying a secular moral opinion on a related subject. I think those are allowed.
No need to expose them.
The devs would have to be epicly dense to not be aware of them and to think this bug wouldn't be abused by them.
However, giving the bug to everyone is a plausible deniability way of getting it to them and providing them a cover for their actions.
The only question is what ties the devs have with them. Without someone providing cover from the higher parts of the food chain they should have been gone long ago.
Really, Lina? Discoballs are stopping people from dancing and having fun?