I think it's the Romulans that have to go. The last Tales of War showed #1 Their obsession with restoring Romulas, which means they have learned or gained nothing since, and #2 the fact they they can't restore it, because THEY are the cause of its destruction and the Iconian invasion. Remove them and there is no war, along with certain tech and long held tensions too. Knock them out right after the Sundering - maybe that's why the ruins are on New Romulas.
Correction: SOME Romulans.
this is probably the dumbest idea I've seen yet regarding this topic...
No, I had it right. The Romulans.
Call it dumb, but don't have a better idea? Then you're the fool.
now why am i suddenly thinking of the temporal cold war mentioned in ST: Enterprise? If I remember correctly they said it was during the 25th century, please correct me if I am wrong about the time line, but couldn't this be either the start or the prelude to that. after all the Iconians cannot time travel because it does something to their brains, but hologram like transmissions to the past as was used by those who were directing the sulaban, could be possible correct? just a thought off to youtube to double check whether i am right or not about the timing of the temporal cold war.
Well if Sauron wasn't able to multitask thats one thing, but the Iconians don't even have to, since there is more than one of them. They should easily be able to fight at the sphere AND watch after the System the whole Alliance Fleet is suddenly so interessted in.
I'd say it's a little more complicated than that. This is a galaxy wide invasion so I doubt every single Iconian is watching the same target and they're most likely spread out across the galaxy. However if their command center is attacked it would make sense they're called away to defend it. We also know that not all the Iconians appear to be contributing to the War effort because L'Miren doesn't appear to have any forces on the battle field. At least not until M'Tara was killed. It was said during the mission that Iconians called out there reserves in order to handle our attack, so we appear to have distracted them enough that they needed everyone they could get.
Which doesn't make sense....we've only defeated M'Tara because she/he/it was arrogant enough to think we are no threat. So why should they think this attack would need all of them in the sphere, and if they thought we would be a threat, why didn't at least one of them show up while we where fighting M'Tara?
Also if most of there fleet was called back, they most likely would have destroyed the attack fleet in seconds. As far as i remember it was mentioned multiple times that there forces outnumber us on a large scale, and we didn't bring any kind of new weapon to the fight.
On the other hand, we're talking about a God-like race which holds it's secret meetings at a place where minutes before there enemy mysteriously disappeared, so maybe they aren't the brightest after all, at least that would explain a lot xD
Why couldn't they handle time-travel again? Because they are seriously braindamag....uhm, i mean 'there brains are not capable of understanding the concept of time-travel'...yeah, sure, they rip portals into the space-time continuum (create a Einstein-Rosen Bridge) but aren't able to at least have thought about the idea of time-travel...
Sorry for the rant...this whole storyline so far is making me sad...i really hope it's over soon
a plot that has driven the game for 5 years by simply "erasing" the Iconians out of existence as a new low
Do you have a crystal ball that's shown you this is what's going to happen? Or perhaps you're psychic. Seriously, how could cryptic erase the iconians? The entire game would have to be redone to erase the loads of content in it that has the iconians. Just think for a moment about everything that would have to go poof. And then of course there's season 11 which will be about rebuilding from the war. If the iconians were erased, there wouldn't have been a war and nothing to rebuild from. It's far more likely a single event will be changed like M'Tara's death that could be used to create some sort of peace. Given there hasn't been much content put in the game to reflect an ongoing war, this would make more sense.
I have a feeling a certain Wells class ship from the 29th century is going to show up, tell us we are being naughty, and take away out new toy, and handle the Iconians themselves... no crystal ball, just my guess:P
Remember the guy from the past who stole a timeship from a vistor from the future and stole items from the Enterprise-D? It would be ironic if he got a hold of another timeship....
Actually we gained ground. 1 Iconian dead, and 1 armless. W
Do you remember the fleet that we had at the start of the mission?
Do you remember what was left of the fleet at the end of the mission?
Killing 1/6th of the enemy when he kills 19/20ths of your fleet is not "gaining ground". It's just losing.
It was a Pyrrhic victory, one more battle like that and it will finish the Alliance
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Which doesn't make sense....we've only defeated M'Tara because she/he/it was arrogant enough to think we are no threat. So why should they think this attack would need all of them in the sphere, and if they thought we would be a threat, why didn't at least one of them show up while we where fighting M'Tara?
Well as you said, she was arrogant and so are the others to a degree. While their fleets were scattered to deal with the threat, they probably assumed that M'Tara herself could handle it. She even tells us that we're nothing to her and she'd destroy us with a wave of her hand. It's also worth mentioning that Paris says that forces have been assaulting multiple spheres in an attempt to disrupt their Gateway network. It's possible they weren't able to teleport directly there and assist straight out. The only reason they showed up at the end is because M'Tara used all the strength she had left to summon them there and when they did show up we ran for our lives.
Also if most of there fleet was called back, they most likely would have destroyed the attack fleet in seconds. As far as i remember it was mentioned multiple times that there forces outnumber us on a large scale, and we didn't bring any kind of new weapon to the fight.
Not if they had to show up using conventional means. If their Gateway network was temporarily disrupted, then it would slow them down and they'd show up in waves. We've also been told that they've conquered worlds as well and if they've conquered worlds then they're also occupying worlds. The forces launched from the Sphere upon arrival would have spread out across space to occupy those worlds and it would take time for them to return home to defend the Sphere.
On the other hand, we're talking about a God-like race which holds it's secret meetings at a place where minutes before there enemy mysteriously disappeared, so maybe they aren't the brightest after all, at least that would explain a lot xD
Why couldn't they handle time-travel again? Because they are seriously braindamag....uhm, i mean 'there brains are not capable of understanding the concept of time-travel'...yeah, sure, they rip portals into the space-time continuum (create a Einstein-Rosen Bridge) but aren't able to at least have thought about the idea of time-travel...
It's not that they don't or can't understand time travel it's that traveling through time physically hurts them. Using it would kill them.
I hope we won't have to fly in butter though, that's quite a hard thing to do, peenut butter even more. *giggles* Anyway, it's great to see another featured episode. I hope there is one or two more before Season 11 is going to be released (and hopefully with the Cardassian story arc revamped hehe). So this is the one where we test the Krenim superweapon, and the next FE is hopefully a huge Iconian assault on Earth? They have attacked Kronos and NR, now it's Earth's turn.
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Do you remember the fleet that we had at the start of the mission?
Do you remember what was left of the fleet at the end of the mission?
Killing 1/6th of the enemy when he kills 19/20ths of your fleet is not "gaining ground". It's just losing.
Did you know the Federation has a lot of Fleets. Not just 1 big fleet. KDF has Fleets. The Romulans they should have, but theirs is smaller and limited. Since they are still rebuilding.
That attack was with a small portion. Since several other ships was not included in the attack. There is still ships left.
Yes we have gained ground. The writers want to use a "weapon ploy" so they make it seem dire. Only a few FEs don't cover it, and when they send the player to Kobali to kill Vaadwaur. So I don't really don't see them a threat. I will more likely skip the rest of the story since its getting so horrible. Work on my alts and skip it entirely with them once they get to that point. And write it off as a fiasco.
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Call it dumb, but don't have a better idea? Then you're the fool.
I've already mentioned the best target for the weapon: The weapon.
Nothing good can come of it aside from this idiots plot device being removed from our story.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Lets dissect this story and put it to real game time. Losing badly? After only a few FEs we really hadn't lost a lot. Actually we gained ground. 1 Iconian dead, and 1 armless. Wasn't for an story teller oaf we would had 2 dead. Blew up their Solena facility so they can come into our space. Yeah they killed a handful of high ranking officials. More will come up to replace them. Taken dozens of worlds? Which ones? None on the map has been affected with no invasion forces. Thousands of starships gone? My ship and crew has only saw minimal action. And came out each fight. Where is the other ships? Better yet where is this invasion force? Billions of lives? Once again where is the invasion force?
Iconia, and the Sphere, are located on the "eastern" end of the beta quadrant map at the edge of known space, and Iconian forces are advancing towards the "west" swallowing up Alliance territory.
And that's just the beta quadrant alone. We don't know what's exactly going on in the gamma quadrant, and our intel on most of the delta quadrant is sketchy at best too.
"Our fleets are protecting key worlds, but dozens of other targets have fallen to Herald attacks."
Which means exactly that. Worlds like Qo'noS, New Romulus, key locations like Battle Group Omega, may have come under attacks, and are "relatively" safe, but the Alliance can't be everywhere at once -- especially after the loss of that armada in Broken Circle.
As for why it's not reflected in-game: people who haven't played the Iconian War arc - especially those who joined recently - would be only confused by all the Herald ships flying around.
Plus they can't make drastic changes to the open maps that last only a few episodes -- they have remain consistent.
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"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Nah, not the Iconians themselves. This mysterious _Other_ who put them on that path.
Except that there is no evidence (hard or even circumstantial) to suggest the Other did anything other to "Save us from oblivion".
Exactly. Remove the Other, they don't get saved from oblivion. No Iconians, the servitor races never get stirred up. No Elachi invasion. (Probably) no Solinae abducting people for weird surgeries. The Vaadwaur never get rearmed. The Undine never get stirred up. The Harbingers (presumably) keep pulling wings off flies or whatever it is they did for kicks...
If you remember Kotor2, Kreia pontificated on this. You can absolutely 'move the universe' (possible paraphrase) by finding the one point to strike that will cause the ripples you want.
All we know about the Iconians is what they are now, we know zero about what they were like 200,000 years ago. Someone mentioned that the Iconians had to have provoked the attackers who bombd their world but here's an alternative.
200,000 years ago, a fleet comes out of nowhere, and bombs Iconia to ash and rubble. A vast alliance of the races the Iconians oppressed, come to take their revenge.
Federation ships, KDF, Romulans, Cardassians...
Or the Krenim... And were explicitly targeted for extinction for it...
The Galaxy makes it's own enemy. **This** would be an epic way to handle time travel and end the whole war. The player then has to save the (decent) Iconians from the genocide, and transports them maybe into the future? Of course they now no longer remember him/her, and all they can call their savior "The Other".
The circle that needs to be broken is a time-loop on this magnitude. Whether Cryptic does something like this? Who knows.
Interesting notion. I wouldn't mind exploring this.
and information leaked from a now-removed source indicated that we DO time travel in an upcoming FE
More evidence for the krenim weapon not actually being used, given how it works.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
"These rewards will include the choice of a tech upgrade or a specialization point." So every toon on the account can claim this? Or is this only the one time bonus for the account each week?
Same as other featured episodes in this Season ... once per account each week.
Do you remember the fleet that we had at the start of the mission?
Do you remember what was left of the fleet at the end of the mission?
Killing 1/6th of the enemy when he kills 19/20ths of your fleet is not "gaining ground". It's just losing.
Did you know the Federation has a lot of Fleets. Not just 1 big fleet. KDF has Fleets. The Romulans they should have, but theirs is smaller and limited. Since they are still rebuilding.
That attack was with a small portion. Since several other ships was not included in the attack. There is still ships left.
Yes we have gained ground. The writers want to use a "weapon ploy" so they make it seem dire. Only a few FEs don't cover it, and when they send the player to Kobali to kill Vaadwaur. So I don't really don't see them a threat. I will more likely skip the rest of the story since its getting so horrible. Work on my alts and skip it entirely with them once they get to that point. And write it off as a fiasco.
Generally, a military engagement with losses above 50 % is a bad result*. Certainly so if your enemy hasn't suffered comparable losses. And if this was everything we could "spare" on such an assault, what are our chances that our next assault will fare any better? We're not going to win the war by slowly losing ships and soldiers defending our homeworlds. We have to bring the fight to the Iconians, or we are lost.
*) I think the number where the losses are deemed too high is actually much lower, something around 20 to 25 %...
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'Butterfly' shortened version of 'The Butterfly Effect'.
Very appropriate of the concept of the Krenim Timeship. The Simpsons also explored this with the Halloween story about Homer going back in time and altering it by killing things like insects and so on. (Yes, there's probably a better version of this, but this is the one I can find)
one of 2 things will happen, we will either have to run around the entire map putting anti-time shields on every inhabited planet, or we go back in time to save the iconians from the ancient armada. this will prevent the federation/klingon war, the destruction of romulus, Spock creating the J.J. verse. That will allow for cross faction armadas, a return to Romulus, where the player was insulated from the time shift, now leading a rebellion against Sellia, the klingons press that to invade romulus, as the federation doesn't care and goes looking for the long fabled tribble home world.
Then again, maybe all the player has to do is travel back in time to discover the iconians are lactose intolerant and fight them with cheese.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I think it's amusing that people expect the time travel to have big, dramatic, lasting consequences when one of the questions covered in Vegas was about how individual missions can't have big, dramatic lasting consequences on the open world.
We're going to change history, realize we messed up, and change it back. We will learn something from what we did and it is what we learn that ends the war with no or minimal impact on the timeline.
Larry Niven's Law of Time Travel: In any plenum in which it is possible to travel through time and change the past, time travel will never be invented.
Niven's notion is that if you can change the past, people will start doing so - and the Butterfly Effect (although it hadn't been formalized or named when he wrote this) will kick in. Eventually, things will get so screwed up that someone will decide the only way to set it right will be to kill the inventor of the device before he can succeed. And thus, it's never invented. And if anyone ever invents it again, the same process happens.
Larry Niven's Law of Time Travel: In any plenum in which it is possible to travel through time and change the past, time travel will never be invented.
Niven's notion is that if you can change the past, people will start doing so - and the Butterfly Effect (although it hadn't been formalized or named when he wrote this) will kick in. Eventually, things will get so screwed up that someone will decide the only way to set it right will be to kill the inventor of the device before he can succeed. And thus, it's never invented. And if anyone ever invents it again, the same process happens.
Another possibilty is that time travel is still limited.
Wormholes, if they exist and could be made stable to travel (really big IFs!) through could be a way to allow time travel. But you would still not be able to travel to a time before the wormhole existed. (The time travel is possible because the different ends of the hole might basically age at different speeds)
Since it seems not likely that there are naturally stable worm holes around to travel through, any time travel wormhole would be in the future. That means the time travel invention would likely be a total game changer for human existence, but - it wouldn't affect us.
Of course, if an alien species developed time travel before we did, and at least its wormhole was still around, this would not be true.
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"Butterfly" is a shortened version of "Butterfly effect." And the mission description indicates that the Alliance used the weapon but something went wrong. Judging from screenshots and other clues I'm thinking this mistake restores Romulus which was then assimilated by the Borg. The Player and Nog work together to correct the mistake and restore the proper timeline.
The mission after that sends us back in time 200k years to the era of the Iconians. We get to explore their culture and civilisation. Screenshots suggest we'll see 'humanoid' versions of the Iconians because they weren't all glowy and energy like so long ago.
The page might be gone, but I remembered as much as I could.
Remember the guy from the past who stole a timeship from a vistor from the future and stole items from the Enterprise-D? It would be ironic if he got a hold of another timeship....
Nah, not the Iconians themselves. This mysterious _Other_ who put them on that path.
Except that there is no evidence (hard or even circumstantial) to suggest the Other did anything other to "Save us from oblivion".
All we know about the Iconians is what they are now, we know zero about what they were like 200,000 years ago. Someone mentioned that the Iconians had to have provoked the attackers who bombd their world but here's an alternative.
200,000 years ago, a fleet comes out of nowhere, and bombs Iconia to ash and rubble. A vast alliance of the races the Iconians oppressed, come to take their revenge.
Federation ships, KDF, Romulans, Cardassians...
The Galaxy makes it's own enemy. **This** would be an epic way to handle time travel and end the whole war. The player then has to save the (decent) Iconians from the genocide, and transports them maybe into the future? Of course they now no longer remember him/her, and all they can call their savior "The Other".
The circle that needs to be broken is a time-loop on this magnitude. Whether Cryptic does something like this? Who knows.
Nah, that seems unlikely. Also... the Bombing of Iconia was merely the final act of the war. The war itself was fought all across the galaxy.
Remember the guy from the past who stole a timeship from a vistor from the future and stole items from the Enterprise-D? It would be ironic if he got a hold of another timeship....
Nah, not the Iconians themselves. This mysterious _Other_ who put them on that path.
Except that there is no evidence (hard or even circumstantial) to suggest the Other did anything other to "Save us from oblivion".
All we know about the Iconians is what they are now, we know zero about what they were like 200,000 years ago. Someone mentioned that the Iconians had to have provoked the attackers who bombd their world but here's an alternative.
200,000 years ago, a fleet comes out of nowhere, and bombs Iconia to ash and rubble. A vast alliance of the races the Iconians oppressed, come to take their revenge.
Federation ships, KDF, Romulans, Cardassians...
The Galaxy makes it's own enemy. **This** would be an epic way to handle time travel and end the whole war. The player then has to save the (decent) Iconians from the genocide, and transports them maybe into the future? Of course they now no longer remember him/her, and all they can call their savior "The Other".
The circle that needs to be broken is a time-loop on this magnitude. Whether Cryptic does something like this? Who knows.
Nah, that seems unlikely. Also... the Bombing of Iconia was merely the final act of the war. The war itself was fought all across the galaxy.
Oh krap... forgot about that one.
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On the other hand, we're talking about a God-like race which holds it's secret meetings at a place where minutes before there enemy mysteriously disappeared, so maybe they aren't the brightest after all, at least that would explain a lot xD
Why couldn't they handle time-travel again? Because they are seriously braindamag....uhm, i mean 'there brains are not capable of understanding the concept of time-travel'...yeah, sure, they rip portals into the space-time continuum (create a Einstein-Rosen Bridge) but aren't able to at least have thought about the idea of time-travel...
It's not that they don't or can't understand time travel it's that traveling through time physically hurts them. Using it would kill them.
Ok, so they ARE able to understand time-travel? Then why can't they find us (and by 'us i mean the Alliance / the Krenim) in our time bubble?
Or why didn't they suspect anything when we disappered right before there eyes? IF they really see us as a threat, they wouldn't ignore the fact we vanished mysteriously...IF they where arrogant enough to NOT see us as a threat, it makes absolutly no sense they called in all there forces to defend the sphere (as far as they know absolutly nothing has changed between those two episodes threat-wise).
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No, I had it right. The Romulans.
Call it dumb, but don't have a better idea? Then you're the fool.
"The higher the fewer."
Which doesn't make sense....we've only defeated M'Tara because she/he/it was arrogant enough to think we are no threat. So why should they think this attack would need all of them in the sphere, and if they thought we would be a threat, why didn't at least one of them show up while we where fighting M'Tara?
Also if most of there fleet was called back, they most likely would have destroyed the attack fleet in seconds. As far as i remember it was mentioned multiple times that there forces outnumber us on a large scale, and we didn't bring any kind of new weapon to the fight.
On the other hand, we're talking about a God-like race which holds it's secret meetings at a place where minutes before there enemy mysteriously disappeared, so maybe they aren't the brightest after all, at least that would explain a lot xD
Why couldn't they handle time-travel again? Because they are seriously braindamag....uhm, i mean 'there brains are not capable of understanding the concept of time-travel'...yeah, sure, they rip portals into the space-time continuum (create a Einstein-Rosen Bridge) but aren't able to at least have thought about the idea of time-travel...
Sorry for the rant...this whole storyline so far is making me sad...i really hope it's over soon
I have a feeling a certain Wells class ship from the 29th century is going to show up, tell us we are being naughty, and take away out new toy, and handle the Iconians themselves... no crystal ball, just my guess:P
Do you remember what was left of the fleet at the end of the mission?
Killing 1/6th of the enemy when he kills 19/20ths of your fleet is not "gaining ground". It's just losing.
It was a Pyrrhic victory, one more battle like that and it will finish the Alliance
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Well as you said, she was arrogant and so are the others to a degree. While their fleets were scattered to deal with the threat, they probably assumed that M'Tara herself could handle it. She even tells us that we're nothing to her and she'd destroy us with a wave of her hand. It's also worth mentioning that Paris says that forces have been assaulting multiple spheres in an attempt to disrupt their Gateway network. It's possible they weren't able to teleport directly there and assist straight out. The only reason they showed up at the end is because M'Tara used all the strength she had left to summon them there and when they did show up we ran for our lives.
Not if they had to show up using conventional means. If their Gateway network was temporarily disrupted, then it would slow them down and they'd show up in waves. We've also been told that they've conquered worlds as well and if they've conquered worlds then they're also occupying worlds. The forces launched from the Sphere upon arrival would have spread out across space to occupy those worlds and it would take time for them to return home to defend the Sphere.
It's not that they don't or can't understand time travel it's that traveling through time physically hurts them. Using it would kill them.
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Did you know the Federation has a lot of Fleets. Not just 1 big fleet. KDF has Fleets. The Romulans they should have, but theirs is smaller and limited. Since they are still rebuilding.
That attack was with a small portion. Since several other ships was not included in the attack. There is still ships left.
Yes we have gained ground. The writers want to use a "weapon ploy" so they make it seem dire. Only a few FEs don't cover it, and when they send the player to Kobali to kill Vaadwaur. So I don't really don't see them a threat. I will more likely skip the rest of the story since its getting so horrible. Work on my alts and skip it entirely with them once they get to that point. And write it off as a fiasco.
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I've already mentioned the best target for the weapon: The weapon.
Nothing good can come of it aside from this idiots plot device being removed from our story.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Iconia, and the Sphere, are located on the "eastern" end of the beta quadrant map at the edge of known space, and Iconian forces are advancing towards the "west" swallowing up Alliance territory.
And that's just the beta quadrant alone. We don't know what's exactly going on in the gamma quadrant, and our intel on most of the delta quadrant is sketchy at best too.
"Our fleets are protecting key worlds, but dozens of other targets have fallen to Herald attacks."
Which means exactly that. Worlds like Qo'noS, New Romulus, key locations like Battle Group Omega, may have come under attacks, and are "relatively" safe, but the Alliance can't be everywhere at once -- especially after the loss of that armada in Broken Circle.
Dinasia, Dera, Chaltok, Quatlek, Noro, Vorn, Quadra Sigma, Sibiran, Hotep, Narendra, Archer, Pheben, Ceron, Mempa, Lilitu, Vesper, Vor, Qutmut, Korvat, Veyga, etc.
Just look at the map, and pick some.
As for why it's not reflected in-game: people who haven't played the Iconian War arc - especially those who joined recently - would be only confused by all the Herald ships flying around.
Plus they can't make drastic changes to the open maps that last only a few episodes -- they have remain consistent.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Exactly. Remove the Other, they don't get saved from oblivion. No Iconians, the servitor races never get stirred up. No Elachi invasion. (Probably) no Solinae abducting people for weird surgeries. The Vaadwaur never get rearmed. The Undine never get stirred up. The Harbingers (presumably) keep pulling wings off flies or whatever it is they did for kicks...
If you remember Kotor2, Kreia pontificated on this. You can absolutely 'move the universe' (possible paraphrase) by finding the one point to strike that will cause the ripples you want.
Or the Krenim... And were explicitly targeted for extinction for it...
Interesting notion.
More evidence for the krenim weapon not actually being used, given how it works.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Same as other featured episodes in this Season ... once per account each week.
*) I think the number where the losses are deemed too high is actually much lower, something around 20 to 25 %...
Very appropriate of the concept of the Krenim Timeship. The Simpsons also explored this with the Halloween story about Homer going back in time and altering it by killing things like insects and so on. (Yes, there's probably a better version of this, but this is the one I can find)
We're going to change history, realize we messed up, and change it back. We will learn something from what we did and it is what we learn that ends the war with no or minimal impact on the timeline.
Niven's notion is that if you can change the past, people will start doing so - and the Butterfly Effect (although it hadn't been formalized or named when he wrote this) will kick in. Eventually, things will get so screwed up that someone will decide the only way to set it right will be to kill the inventor of the device before he can succeed. And thus, it's never invented. And if anyone ever invents it again, the same process happens.
Another possibilty is that time travel is still limited.
Wormholes, if they exist and could be made stable to travel (really big IFs!) through could be a way to allow time travel. But you would still not be able to travel to a time before the wormhole existed. (The time travel is possible because the different ends of the hole might basically age at different speeds)
Since it seems not likely that there are naturally stable worm holes around to travel through, any time travel wormhole would be in the future. That means the time travel invention would likely be a total game changer for human existence, but - it wouldn't affect us.
Of course, if an alien species developed time travel before we did, and at least its wormhole was still around, this would not be true.
Edited to add: I hope the spoiler space suffices. Ever since they changed to vanilla I've yet to relearn half the board features.
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"Butterfly" is a shortened version of "Butterfly effect." And the mission description indicates that the Alliance used the weapon but something went wrong. Judging from screenshots and other clues I'm thinking this mistake restores Romulus which was then assimilated by the Borg. The Player and Nog work together to correct the mistake and restore the proper timeline.
The mission after that sends us back in time 200k years to the era of the Iconians. We get to explore their culture and civilisation. Screenshots suggest we'll see 'humanoid' versions of the Iconians because they weren't all glowy and energy like so long ago.
The page might be gone, but I remembered as much as I could.
I've only read the first 1-2 lines then I went "NOPE". ^^
edit: @mikoto8472 appreciated
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
My character Tsin'xing
Oh krap... forgot about that one.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Ok, so they ARE able to understand time-travel? Then why can't they find us (and by 'us i mean the Alliance / the Krenim) in our time bubble?
Or why didn't they suspect anything when we disappered right before there eyes? IF they really see us as a threat, they wouldn't ignore the fact we vanished mysteriously...IF they where arrogant enough to NOT see us as a threat, it makes absolutly no sense they called in all there forces to defend the sphere (as far as they know absolutly nothing has changed between those two episodes threat-wise).