Assuming of course that Hakeev would be the head of the Tal Shiar in the new timeline. Because it sounds like he became leader of the organization after the destruction of Romulus.
All hail Emperor Mudd, Ruler of the brave new world created by using an idiot's weapon.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Here's the thing. Some people are assuming Annorax's Timeship is going to be built and used be the Alliance. I don't see this happening.
1. The Temporal Prime Directive would absolutely apply and be enforced by Starfleet.
2. Section 31, although in itself is out to protect the Federation at all costs, would not risk any change to the timeline that would result in obvious damage to the current timeline.
3. The UFP itself would find the absolute annihilation of a species abhorrent.
You only need to watch Cpt. Janeway's reaction upon realising what the vessel does to understand.
And the biggest mistake in building this vessel would be that it would allow the Krenim to go straight after the Vaaduar, restoring the Krenim and affected races back to what they might have been and worse. Let's not forget how arrogant and bullish the Krenim Empire was when it was a large power. All you need is an ambitious and selfish person from the Krenim to realise this dream and potentially create a galaxy ruled by a technology that rivals the power of the Q!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
1. The Temporal Prime Directive would absolutely apply and be enforced by Starfleet.
i don't remember if i said it in this thread or another, but the temporal prime directive, like the prime directive, is overridden by the omega directive when it's in effect, and it still is and has been since the end of sphere of influence
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
In all pathetic "human" civilization rules go out the window during wars. That is why Bush staged 911 to pass the Patriot Act and cover up other crimes by our government...
I still say the temporal weapon can be used to move the Iconians out of our timeline like the Krenim did to hide and that will have some effect on their minds. Also doing so will not alter the existing timeline's past. When the Krenim hid it didn't alter the timeline.
1. The Temporal Prime Directive would absolutely apply and be enforced by Starfleet.
i don't remember if i said it in this thread or another, but the temporal prime directive, like the prime directive, is overridden by the omega directive when it's in effect, and it still is and has been since the end of sphere of influence
The Omega Directive over-rides the Prime Directive (as stated on Memory Alpha), not the Temporal Prime Directive.
3. The UFP itself would find the absolute annihilation of a species abhorrent.
Starfleet didn't exactly shed a tear when the Founders were dying from an incurable disease.
Note I said the UFP, not Starfleet.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
In all pathetic "human" civilization rules go out the window during wars. That is why Bush staged 911 to pass the Patriot Act and cover up other crimes by our government...
Seriously!!! You shouldn't insult people with an unproven theory, on top of the fact you also insult the lives of all those lost. Don't post stuff like this!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
I never said to erase them. In 1 FE we learn the Iconians can't time travel and in another FE, the temporal equitement can manipulate time without erasing stuff from the timeline. Think about that solution.
Exactly. All you have to do is zap the currently living Iconians with something that causes them to travel 1 second forward or backward through time. Since their minds can't handle that, all you'd have left is a dozen or so brain-dead drooling Iconian idiots. Problem solved! Well, you still have to finish off the now leaderless and disorganized Heralds, but you can't have everything.
I cant wait to sell nachos n beer while watching all these people that think the timeship isnt getting built realize it got built and used when that episode comes out... shouldnt be far off if the rumor mill is accurate as usual. The butthurt howling will be impressive
I am not sure the Temporal Prime Directive is actually a Starfleet rule. Picard suspected that a time traveller might adhere to it (you remember the episode with the time traveller that killed the original time traveller?), but it did not sound as if it was an established Starfleet rule with the same relevance as the Prime Directive.
But even if it exists (at least now) - Starfleet has used time travel before. Kirk actually got the order to travel back in time once.
I think the bigger issue is that Starfleet probably doesn't allow genocide. So I think whatever they do, they will not want to use it like Annorax did and wink civilizations out of existence.
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Here's the thing. Some people are assuming Annorax's Timeship is going to be built and used be the Alliance. I don't see this happening.
1. The Temporal Prime Directive would absolutely apply and be enforced by Starfleet.
2. Section 31, although in itself is out to protect the Federation at all costs, would not risk any change to the timeline that would result in obvious damage to the current timeline.
3. The UFP itself would find the absolute annihilation of a species abhorrent.
You only need to watch Cpt. Janeway's reaction upon realising what the vessel does to understand.
And the biggest mistake in building this vessel would be that it would allow the Krenim to go straight after the Vaaduar, restoring the Krenim and affected races back to what they might have been and worse. Let's not forget how arrogant and bullish the Krenim Empire was when it was a large power. All you need is an ambitious and selfish person from the Krenim to realise this dream and potentially create a galaxy ruled by a technology that rivals the power of the Q!
This is 1000% what SHOULD be the case but my faith in craptic's writing has been crushed.
In all pathetic "human" civilization rules go out the window during wars. That is why Bush staged 911 to pass the Patriot Act and cover up other crimes by our government...
This is definitely how the story should go! BUSH DID IT! George W Bush suddenly shows up riding a horse through space swinging a lasso, and he gives those Iconians what for!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
In all pathetic "human" civilization rules go out the window during wars. That is why Bush staged 911 to pass the Patriot Act and cover up other crimes by our government...
This is definitely how the story should go! BUSH DID IT! George W Bush suddenly shows up riding a horse through space swinging a lasso, and he gives those Iconians what for! [/quote]
Turns out Bush and Republicans are the true masters all along. We, together with a faction named D'mo'cat and their leader O'bma. We will defeat Bush's evil plan. Oh and bail out General Warpcores
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
people, this is the same starfleet that only enforces the prime directive when doing so would get a whole lot of people killed. of course they ignore the rules don't kidding yourself thats what starfleet captains do, in less ignoring would actually save someone then after much soul searching they will decide not to... of course a crew member will decide the captain is wrong and save them anyway, and get at most a very stern talking to, really they'll even make a frowny face and everything.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Turns out Bush and Republicans are the true masters all along. We, together with a faction named D'mo'cat and their leader O'bma. We will defeat Bush's evil plan. Oh and bail out General Warpcores
Of course! who didn't know the Iconians all work for Bush?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Turns out Bush and Republicans are the true masters all along. We, together with a faction named D'mo'cat and their leader O'bma. We will defeat Bush's evil plan. Oh and bail out General Warpcores
Of course! who didn't know the Iconians all work for Bush?
Come on guys, I thought the IQ Fleet spoilers would have finally stopped by now!
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
The Omega directive with the Voth, the infiltration of spacedock by the Undine, and now the Time manipulation of the Kremin. These are just storyline for a game. A game that cannt even figure out how to make the Romulans a full faction after three years. The op seems to think they wont just rewrite anything in this game that conflicts with the new storyline.
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All hail Emperor Mudd, Ruler of the brave new world created by using an idiot's weapon.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
1. The Temporal Prime Directive would absolutely apply and be enforced by Starfleet.
2. Section 31, although in itself is out to protect the Federation at all costs, would not risk any change to the timeline that would result in obvious damage to the current timeline.
3. The UFP itself would find the absolute annihilation of a species abhorrent.
You only need to watch Cpt. Janeway's reaction upon realising what the vessel does to understand.
And the biggest mistake in building this vessel would be that it would allow the Krenim to go straight after the Vaaduar, restoring the Krenim and affected races back to what they might have been and worse. Let's not forget how arrogant and bullish the Krenim Empire was when it was a large power. All you need is an ambitious and selfish person from the Krenim to realise this dream and potentially create a galaxy ruled by a technology that rivals the power of the Q!
i don't remember if i said it in this thread or another, but the temporal prime directive, like the prime directive, is overridden by the omega directive when it's in effect, and it still is and has been since the end of sphere of influence
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Starfleet didn't exactly shed a tear when the Founders were dying from an incurable disease.
The Omega Directive over-rides the Prime Directive (as stated on Memory Alpha), not the Temporal Prime Directive.
Note I said the UFP, not Starfleet.
Seriously!!! You shouldn't insult people with an unproven theory, on top of the fact you also insult the lives of all those lost. Don't post stuff like this!
Exactly. All you have to do is zap the currently living Iconians with something that causes them to travel 1 second forward or backward through time. Since their minds can't handle that, all you'd have left is a dozen or so brain-dead drooling Iconian idiots. Problem solved! Well, you still have to finish off the now leaderless and disorganized Heralds, but you can't have everything.
But even if it exists (at least now) - Starfleet has used time travel before. Kirk actually got the order to travel back in time once.
I think the bigger issue is that Starfleet probably doesn't allow genocide. So I think whatever they do, they will not want to use it like Annorax did and wink civilizations out of existence.
This is 1000% what SHOULD be the case but my faith in craptic's writing has been crushed.
This is definitely how the story should go! BUSH DID IT! George W Bush suddenly shows up riding a horse through space swinging a lasso, and he gives those Iconians what for!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
This is definitely how the story should go! BUSH DID IT! George W Bush suddenly shows up riding a horse through space swinging a lasso, and he gives those Iconians what for!
Turns out Bush and Republicans are the true masters all along. We, together with a faction named D'mo'cat and their leader O'bma. We will defeat Bush's evil plan. Oh and bail out General Warpcores
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Of course! who didn't know the Iconians all work for Bush?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Come on guys, I thought the IQ Fleet spoilers would have finally stopped by now!