rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
I think the consequences of altering something very far back in time have been covered in other sources. In a rather bad Syfy movie, someone stepped on a bug on a time travel safari to the age of dinosaurs, and basically stepped on evolution, causing a chain reaction that lead to humans never evolving. Luckilly they managed to find a way to fix it before that wave hit. How they handled the changes to the timeline was several different waves through time, starting with changes to the environment and flora before hitting the fauna.
Another example is from an episode of Stargate SG-1, where the team actually takes the Ancient Time Jumper back in time to ensure that the rebellion that drove Ra off Earth succeeds, and to ensure that the stargate stays on Earth. First round the rebellion succeeds, but Ra took the gate, altering history. The alternate team took the jumper back to fix it, met the original Daniel who was the only one left of the original team, and made sure the gate stayed on Earth, restoring the timeline. Carter said that she was afraid to step on a bug, meaning that the farther back you go, even the most innocent or simple thing could change everything.
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus? And like others have brought up, would the Federation or the other powers even exist?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Like that's likely given what happens whenever people steal tech from the borg...
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I think the consequences of altering something very far back in time have been covered in other sources. In a rather bad Syfy movie, someone stepped on a bug on a time travel safari to the age of dinosaurs, and basically stepped on evolution, causing a chain reaction that lead to humans never evolving. Luckilly they managed to find a way to fix it before that wave hit. How they handled the changes to the timeline was several different waves through time, starting with changes to the environment and flora before hitting the fauna.
Whereas in the book said movie was based on all that changed because of stepping on the butterfly was that the English language was slightly different leading to a fascist wining their recent presidential election whereas he lost in the original timeline.
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Like that's likely given what happens whenever people steal tech from the borg...
And thats assuming said tech wouldn't turn on them first.
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Or maybe something worse? Maybe the new timeline will feature a Tal Shiar that uses Borg tech to mind control everyone, to include all of the citizens of the Romulan Star Empire. Thus creating a pseudo hive-mind that serves only one master, Hakeev.
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Or maybe something worse? Maybe the new timeline will feature a Tal Shiar that uses Borg tech to mind control everyone, to include all of the citizens of the Romulan Star Empire. Thus creating a pseudo hive-mind that serves only one master, Hakeev.
The Hakeev Collective, being Keev is FUN!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
The "year of hell" storyline was universally mocked and derided on Usenet when it first broadcast. I think the best thing anyone said about it was that it took real guts for the writers to show us the reset button in the first reel, brazenly displaying their complete lack of concern over what anyone thought of their work. The continuity problems with "Before and After" were obvious, the plagiarizing from Verne was far too ham-handed to be called "borrowing", etc.
Naturally Cryptic decided this was what they should emulate. This is a prime example of what's wrong with a significant segment of Trek fandom: a constitutional inability to tell good writing from bad. I expect this "all-out attack" we're being subjected to will go completely pear-shaped, requiring us to blow the dust off of Annorax's History Eraser Button to "fix" things and to hell with any larger implications for the game's continuity.
Set phasers to "suck".
@Venture-1. @Venture from City of Heroes if you remember that. Yes, that Venture. Yes, I probably trashed your MA arc. You'll have to be specific; for me it was Tuesday.
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
what war? the entire thing started over undine infiltration, which itself started because of iconian manipulation
no iconians = no undine invasion of solid space = no federation/klingon war
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
There may not have been back then, but there is now, and it kinda does look like the EU. Or maybe a fusion of the US and EU? *shrug*
And Shadowfang is right. Without the Iconians, the Undine would not be provoked, which in turn wouldn't provoke the Klingons, which in turn would mean no Fed/Klingon War and everything that happened in STO.
Yes Borg Adapted Romulan ships can be viable, but one simple, minor mistake, and BAM! Assimilation and old Romulus becomes Downtown Borg City. Face it. Borg Tech is to dangerous. It is designed to assimilate foreign tech into itself. Basically it is a virus. There will be no Borg enhanced Imperial Romulan fleet, there will be a BORG fleet. End of story. And would even loyal Imperial forces or the old Romulan Senate even approve of the Tal Shiar "Experimenting" with Borg Implants on their citizens? I don't think so!
I'm sure even Imperial Romulan fans would agree that the Tal Shiar has gone too far and has become a Rogue Element that needs to be dealt with. All they care about now is power, and to hell with the consequences. Ends justify the means to the extreme. Even Section 31 wouldn't go THAT far.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Eh... I've been on a Fairy Tail kick for a bit now.
Isn't your avatar picture Erza?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
I don't think it's that easy. Erasing the Iconians would completely change the shape of the Galaxy forever. An unknown number of civilizations would no longer be enslaved by the Iconians and their existence over 200,000 years could prevent other civilizations from coming to power.
Imagine if the Klingon and Romulan Empires never came into power because the Dewans weren't all killed and they colonized the space around them. Would the Federation ever be formed if a Dewan Empire existed in the place of the Klingons and Romulans? What if the Dewans went to war with the Hur'q? How would that war change the balance of power in the Beta Quadrant before the other races advance enough to join the intergalactic community? Even if we ignore the 200,000+ years of altered history and assume the Galaxy would end up being pretty much the same, modern events would still be different.
What if Romulus wasn't destroyed? Sounds good saving billions of lives right? Not if you consider the fact that Romulans would still be ruled in fear of the Tal Shiar who remains a major adversary of the Federation and Klingon Empire. So you save billions of lives but the peaceful Romulan Republic never exists. Obisek and his Reman people are still slaves of the Empire and their fight for freedom would be twice as difficult because they would be fighting a unified empire, instead of the scattered remnants that gave birth to the Republic.
Deus ex machina? No, I would say it's more like a weapon of mass destruction that could do more harm than good.
I agree. Time manipulation is a very sensitive matter. Even if you change 1 miniscule item in a time line it would change the fabric of the timeline that you were in drastically. Remember what happened to the beta quadrant when the borg stopped zef from launching his warp ship? What if the coalition of planets was never formed in 2154? Just saying that messing with the fabric of time is unwise.
Or maybe something worse? Maybe the new timeline will feature a Tal Shiar that uses Borg tech to mind control everyone, to include all of the citizens of the Romulan Star Empire. Thus creating a pseudo hive-mind that serves only one master, Hakeev.
I dont know why but the first thing that went through my head when reading this was a line from C&C:RA2 "Soylent Green for Yuri." lol
I'm sure even Imperial Romulan fans would agree that the Tal Shiar has gone too far and has become a Rogue Element that needs to be dealt with. All they care about now is power, and to hell with the consequences. Ends justify the means to the extreme. Even Section 31 wouldn't go THAT far.
I hate to break it to you but they still have fans that make a mess in the Romulan Gameplay forum believe it or not...
Yes Borg Adapted Romulan ships can be viable, but one simple, minor mistake, and BAM! Assimilation and old Romulus becomes Downtown Borg City. Face it. Borg Tech is to dangerous. It is designed to assimilate foreign tech into itself. Basically it is a virus.
and yet they were able to make many borg adapted warbirds. Dangerous yes, but proven that it can be utilized time and time again safely. Voyager did it, even Ent-D did it a few times.
And would even loyal Imperial forces or the old Romulan Senate even approve of the Tal Shiar "Experimenting" with Borg Implants on their citizens? I don't think so!
Depends.... as Cryptic writes Romulans? Hell yeah! the senate would shift buckets of funding onto this while twirling their moustachios!!
Actual Romulans as portrayed in TNG/DS9? Hell no. Thats what other species are for!
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Like that's likely given what happens whenever people steal tech from the borg...
Given that i've been playing XCOM recently, i'll drop this gem.
Those that play with the Devil's Tools are brought by degrees to wield his sword. - R. Buckminster Fuller
Every totalitarian regime ever has made clear that the lives of the citizens are nothing compared to the convenience of the state. I can't think of a single reason that Romulans would be any different.
there was no european union in the tos days, or even the tng days.
Irrelavant. The Federation is a better analog for the European Union than the United States. The EU's status at the time of TOS or early TNG imakes no difference. When a better description comes along, I use it.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
I hate to break it to you but they still have fans that make a mess in the Romulan Gameplay forum believe it or not...
I've seen a couple spill into General and Ten Forward claiming that the Republic is a terrorist faction and must be destroyed and "WAH! I WANT TO HAVE IRW ON MY REPUBLIC BUILT T6 D'DERIDEX AND OTHER NON IMPERIAL BUILT SHIPS!"
Personally... I find the tantrums over something so small as a name prefix immature. Surprised they're not complaining about being able to use RRW on allied ships.
and yet they were able to make many borg adapted warbirds. Dangerous yes, but proven that it can be utilized time and time again safely. Voyager did it, even Ent-D did it a few times.
I don't remember the Enterprise-D retrofitting Borg tech. I think the only time they interfaced with anything Borg tech back then was with Hugh, and that was just to simulate an alcove for him. Voyager had the advantage of having someone who was an expert with Borg Tech, Seven, modify it to prevent it from spreading. Without her, Voyager would have been slowly assimilated.
Depends.... as Cryptic writes Romulans? Hell yeah! the senate would shift buckets of funding onto this while twirling their moustachios!!
Actual Romulans as portrayed in TNG/DS9? Hell no. Thats what other species are for!
Tal Shiar? You'd be right. And maybe some of the more fanatical Imperial Romulans who feel they have nothing to lose. I think that the Republic Romulans might be closer to the on screen portrayal, at least in the DS9 part, than the Tal Shair "Snively Whiplash" badguy routine we got from Hakeev.
Hakeev resents that statement, and twirls his evil mustache at you.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,565Community Moderator
*Gives Hakeev some ACME Dynamite and a lighter and runs*
I've seen a couple spill into General and Ten Forward claiming that the Republic is a terrorist faction and must be destroyed and "WAH! I WANT TO HAVE IRW ON MY REPUBLIC BUILT T6 D'DERIDEX AND OTHER NON IMPERIAL BUILT SHIPS!"
Personally... I find the tantrums over something so small as a name prefix immature. Surprised they're not complaining about being able to use RRW on allied ships.
The fun part for that was when even Protogoth, loudest and most wordy white knight of the republic had to admit there were no GOOD reasons to deny the IRW prefix and even a few good cases being made for how/why Imperial Remnants or Tal Shiar would have RR designs.
Who needs a reason to hate on the Romulan Star Empire?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus?
Or would you all be facing a reinvigorated Empire with fleet of adapted tech warbirds enjoying you're little KDF/UFP war and finally pushing the damned federation back a few parsecs?
Or maybe something worse? Maybe the new timeline will feature a Tal Shiar that uses Borg tech to mind control everyone, to include all of the citizens of the Romulan Star Empire. Thus creating a pseudo hive-mind that serves only one master, Hakeev.
The Hakeev Collective, being Keev is FUN!
Assuming of course that Hakeev would be the head of the Tal Shiar in the new timeline. Because it sounds like he became leader of the organization after the destruction of Romulus.
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Another example is from an episode of Stargate SG-1, where the team actually takes the Ancient Time Jumper back in time to ensure that the rebellion that drove Ra off Earth succeeds, and to ensure that the stargate stays on Earth. First round the rebellion succeeds, but Ra took the gate, altering history. The alternate team took the jumper back to fix it, met the original Daniel who was the only one left of the original team, and made sure the gate stayed on Earth, restoring the timeline. Carter said that she was afraid to step on a bug, meaning that the farther back you go, even the most innocent or simple thing could change everything.
Now... think about what was going on before Hobus. The Romulans were experimenting with Borg tech, if we take the Countdown comic into consideration as an explanation for the Narada. If Hobus never happened... would we be faced with an assimilated Romulus? And like others have brought up, would the Federation or the other powers even exist?
Temporal Mechanics give me a headache.
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"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Like that's likely given what happens whenever people steal tech from the borg...
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Whereas in the book said movie was based on all that changed because of stepping on the butterfly was that the English language was slightly different leading to a fascist wining their recent presidential election whereas he lost in the original timeline.
And thats assuming said tech wouldn't turn on them first.
My character Tsin'xing
The Hakeev Collective, being Keev is FUN!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Naturally Cryptic decided this was what they should emulate. This is a prime example of what's wrong with a significant segment of Trek fandom: a constitutional inability to tell good writing from bad. I expect this "all-out attack" we're being subjected to will go completely pear-shaped, requiring us to blow the dust off of Annorax's History Eraser Button to "fix" things and to hell with any larger implications for the game's continuity.
Set phasers to "suck".
what war? the entire thing started over undine infiltration, which itself started because of iconian manipulation
no iconians = no undine invasion of solid space = no federation/klingon war
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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And Shadowfang is right. Without the Iconians, the Undine would not be provoked, which in turn wouldn't provoke the Klingons, which in turn would mean no Fed/Klingon War and everything that happened in STO.
Yes Borg Adapted Romulan ships can be viable, but one simple, minor mistake, and BAM! Assimilation and old Romulus becomes Downtown Borg City. Face it. Borg Tech is to dangerous. It is designed to assimilate foreign tech into itself. Basically it is a virus. There will be no Borg enhanced Imperial Romulan fleet, there will be a BORG fleet. End of story. And would even loyal Imperial forces or the old Romulan Senate even approve of the Tal Shiar "Experimenting" with Borg Implants on their citizens? I don't think so!
I'm sure even Imperial Romulan fans would agree that the Tal Shiar has gone too far and has become a Rogue Element that needs to be dealt with. All they care about now is power, and to hell with the consequences. Ends justify the means to the extreme. Even Section 31 wouldn't go THAT far.
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Isn't your avatar picture Erza?
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I agree. Time manipulation is a very sensitive matter. Even if you change 1 miniscule item in a time line it would change the fabric of the timeline that you were in drastically. Remember what happened to the beta quadrant when the borg stopped zef from launching his warp ship? What if the coalition of planets was never formed in 2154? Just saying that messing with the fabric of time is unwise.
I hate to break it to you but they still have fans that make a mess in the Romulan Gameplay forum believe it or not...
and yet they were able to make many borg adapted warbirds. Dangerous yes, but proven that it can be utilized time and time again safely. Voyager did it, even Ent-D did it a few times.
Depends.... as Cryptic writes Romulans? Hell yeah! the senate would shift buckets of funding onto this while twirling their moustachios!!
Actual Romulans as portrayed in TNG/DS9? Hell no. Thats what other species are for!
Given that i've been playing XCOM recently, i'll drop this gem.
Those that play with the Devil's Tools are brought by degrees to wield his sword. - R. Buckminster Fuller
Irrelavant. The Federation is a better analog for the European Union than the United States. The EU's status at the time of TOS or early TNG imakes no difference. When a better description comes along, I use it.
Personally... I find the tantrums over something so small as a name prefix immature. Surprised they're not complaining about being able to use RRW on allied ships.
I don't remember the Enterprise-D retrofitting Borg tech. I think the only time they interfaced with anything Borg tech back then was with Hugh, and that was just to simulate an alcove for him. Voyager had the advantage of having someone who was an expert with Borg Tech, Seven, modify it to prevent it from spreading. Without her, Voyager would have been slowly assimilated.
Tal Shiar? You'd be right. And maybe some of the more fanatical Imperial Romulans who feel they have nothing to lose. I think that the Republic Romulans might be closer to the on screen portrayal, at least in the DS9 part, than the Tal Shair "Snively Whiplash" badguy routine we got from Hakeev.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
The fun part for that was when even Protogoth, loudest and most wordy white knight of the republic had to admit there were no GOOD reasons to deny the IRW prefix and even a few good cases being made for how/why Imperial Remnants or Tal Shiar would have RR designs.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Assuming of course that Hakeev would be the head of the Tal Shiar in the new timeline. Because it sounds like he became leader of the organization after the destruction of Romulus.
My character Tsin'xing