Should Torpedo's separated from beams and cannons ?

grazyc2 · July 2015

I say separate the torpedo's from the weapons slots so I can have 8 beams slotted 5 in front and 3 in the rear and part from those slots you have room to install Torpedo's in the Torpedo slot's. and to overcome a power creep when you are in battle and select a different torpedo then there is selected at that moment there is a 20 sec delay because your crew have to reload the torpedo tubes.

grazyc2 · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

Also I believe it would be nice you can for example carry 400 photons and 200 quantums when depleted you have to visit a starbase to reload your torpedo's that would make it much more epic in battle's ? Right ??

tomaswille · July 2015

No let it be !!!

There are more torpedo bays. Not just one. So then you will have to decide which ships allows to have more torpedo bays for the sake of "realism". I say, focus on fixing those power creeps. Let them have an advantage, but not ridiculously. Otherwise effect of "strategy" is lost.

And some don't use torpedo's at all. So they will get an extra advantage having extra space for even more weapons.
Nope. Leave it the way it is.

grazyc2 · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

tomaswille wrote: »

There are more torpedo bays. Not just one. So then you will have to decide which ships allows to have more torpedo bays for the sake of "realism". I say, focus on fixing those power creeps. Let them have an advantage, but not ridiculously. Otherwise effect of "strategy" is lost.

And some don't use torpedo's at all. So they will get an extra advantage having extra space for even more weapons.
Nope. Leave it the way it is.

Not true sir, weapon bays stay you add for ships torpedo bays 2 in front one rear something like that so if people don't use them those bays are not used you can't take a beam or cannon and stick it on where a torpedo housing should be ... You also are not able to slot torpedo's into the section where beams and cannons should be...

sirmayday · July 2015

I don't know ...

I dunno. Hear me out, but I feel like it would actually hurt player choice, which games should do as rarely as possible. As it stands, players can choose to what extent, and in what combination(s) their ships should mount torpedoes (or for that matter, mines, which I imagine you're conceptually including as torpedoes for the sake of this discussion). If they're not competing for a scarce resource (weapon slots), though, including them becomes a no-brainer. Also, it sinks the concept of a torpedo boat build.

lsegn · July 2015

No let it be !!!

*sigh* as it's been said so many times they function perfectly. They may not give you fancy DPS numbers but they still do their job just fine for those willing to put some thought into them.

thatcursedwolf · July 2015

No let it be !!!

"Torpedoes" is the plural of torpedo.

"Torpedo's" is the possessive.

I think beams have enough going for them as it is.

lsegn · July 2015

No let it be !!!

They require a bit of strategy to use most effectively and Thats a good thing, why must we dumb down the game? If you can't figure out how to make torpedoes work then perhaps you should find a game more suiting of your mental abilities, like Tic Tac Toe.

thatcursedwolf · July 2015

No let it be !!!

lsegn wrote: »

They require a bit of strategy to use most effectively and Thats a good thing, why must we dumb down the game? If you can't figure out how to make torpedoes work then perhaps you should find a game more suiting of your mental abilities, like Tic Tac Toe.

Having to split your tac consoles for all but one type of torpedo, which of course had to be AP, does penalize a mixed boat and a energy boat's only down side is aceton assimilators which can be out ranged.

rickpaaa · July 2015

No let it be !!!

As it stands, we can have as many torpedoes we want, or none at all. I like that. I am pro-choice on everything.

dareau · July 2015

Option D :

The "first" slot in a row is mandated to be an energy weapon. The "last" slot in a row is mandated to be a torpedo. The middle slot(s) may be of the user's choice.
This applies to both fore and aft rows.

no ship shall receive any "extra" weapons slots to make this change occur.

Therefore, your 5f 3a ship will only be allowed to carry 4 "forward energy weapons". Most Cruisers and escorts, 3. Science ships 2. And they can't "torp boat" it, they'll have to pack at least one energy weapon...

Though many would call this the death of the cruiser, since they can't 8x beam array broadside with an engie mitigating power drain into insignificance anymore.

Oh wait. You said make the torpedo slot an additional slot, so your scimitard would be a 6 fore weapon ship. Uh, I don't support powercreep. Sorry, no vote for you... Shocked nobody's called you out on such a blatant violation of powercreep yet... <facepalm>

kittyflofy · July 2015

No let it be !!!

lol.. yeah, more power creep, yeah! yeah!! (of course i voted no, this makes no sense). The 20 sec delay will not work, because a) it is an insane cooldown. b) you want to fire your torps when you want, not limited but a countdown.

imruined · July 2015

No let it be !!!

kirk2390 wrote: »

... and to overcome a power creep ...

This proposal will only add more power creep... If the entire game was rebalanced, perhaps this would be a good idea, but I really can't see Cryptic investing the time and resources to do that...

Unknown · July 2015

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e30ernest · July 2015

No let it be !!!

I vote for no. It'll kill player choices on how to build their ships. Builds like mine would also be impossible.

If you want more mixed beam/torp builds, there are other ways to go about it. This isn't the way.

lianthelia · July 2015

No let it be !!!

lsegn wrote: »

*sigh* as it's been said so many times they function perfectly. They may not give you fancy DPS numbers but they still do their job just fine for those willing to put some thought into them.

Yeah...they function fine...except for being resisted so much by shields...there is just nothing in canon to support that.

meimeitoo · July 2015

No let it be !!!

lianthelia wrote: »

Yeah...they function fine...except for being resisted so much by shields...there is just nothing in canon to support that.

Of course there is.

Shields are not glued on your hull surface, as it were: they extend around your ship. Therefore, purely from physics alone, as long as there is shield, there will substantially less kinetic impact to your ship.

Unknown · July 2015

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nikephorus · July 2015

repetitiveepic wrote: »

If you could still put torpedos in all the other slots i'd be fine with it.

That would be my worry as well. I know torpedo boats aren't that popular, but they are still an option and I wouldn't want that option taken away.

kyrrok · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

I was a bit hasty in voting as I did, but something has to be done. As I respect the right of those who like to use all beams and beam consoles for the right build, I would like a share of that respect for those who put a torpedo on each side. As it is, we must decide between sharing the weapons slots and IMO more importanly console slots, leaving us either selling out or losing out.

[Deleted User] · July 2015

No let it be !!!

This is a place where canon has to be subordinated to gameplay, I feel.

reximuz · July 2015

Making slots isn't the only way to fix torps, and not the best way. Better synergy with beam/cannons, and better travel times, even the non-destructible types travel too slow, would both go a long way to making them more viable. Heck, I run one anyhow, because I like it and wasn't seeing enough performance difference switching to another beam. Maybe if I had the time to make the money to get some of the super expensive traits/boff abilities/doffs I could open up the gap to make it more worth it to go all beams, but that isn't the case right now.

thatcursedwolf · July 2015

No let it be !!!

StarSword-C wrote: »

This is a place where canon has to be subordinated to gameplay, I feel.

Or this is a place where cannon has to be subordinated to beamplay.

warmaker001b · July 2015

No let it be !!!

I voted no because there needs to be give and take on slotting weapons. Now, this isn't to say Torps are perfectly fine compared to EZ-Mode Powah of Energy Weapons. It takes considerably way more effort to make even a passable Torp Boat than it is to make your standard Energy Weapons build.

[Deleted User] · July 2015

No let it be !!!

thatcursedwolf wrote: »

StarSword-C wrote: »

This is a place where canon has to be subordinated to gameplay, I feel.

Or this is a place where cannon has to be subordinated to beamplay.

I'm gonna shoot you out of a cannon in a minute... XD

ikonn · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

I voted yes only if the slot were setup in a manner similar to the Dyson Sci Destroyers. Otherwise, leave things as they sre.

grazyc2 · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

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e30ernest · July 2015

No let it be !!!

Nice to see another torp boat in action. Keep those torps flying!

grazyc2 · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

Star Trek: Legacy and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Dominion Wars and Star Trek: Bridge Commander supported this feature .

As I remember correctly : in dominion wars you could be very specific about the ship you used and it's layout off it, In bridge commander you decided how many torpedoes you bought and if you like to use them in a mission or not, in the modded version this was changed to load more torps, and in Legacy well it was programed but in the modded version you could decide if you would like more torpedos on your ship or only beams or cannons. To those not familiar with these games look them up on Google or Wiki.

angrytarg · July 2015

They should grant hulls an innate resistance to energy weapons like shields have for torpedoes and increase torpedo speed. That's pretty much all changes they'd need to make.

grazyc2 · July 2015

Yes Seperate it, slot the torpedos part from the weapons slots

Like on ground you have shields and armor part available on an character sounds like a good plan, and while they working on that perhaps they could add 3 or 4 slots to slot those special consoles... that would also be awesome because separate from T6 or Lockbox ships other ships don't have enough space to slot all these sets and stuff.
Kinda weird...

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