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I have a T-5U Fleet Avenger Battlecruiser, why charge me full price for the Tier 6?
dondaddyd
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I have the original Avenger Battlecruiser, which I paid full price for. I have the Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser which is upgraded to T-5U, purchased for 20,000 energy credits and 1 ship module.
Why do I need to pay full price (20,000 energy credits and 5 ship modules - which is going to cost money, roughly £15) for the tier 6 iteration of the Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser?
Surely the ship modules should reduce to 1 if you've already purchased the original Avenger Battlecruiser?
Yes, I get that I "don't need it" but it is, when fully upgraded, a better ship and the point still stands that I have already invested cash (twice already) into this ship design, so why?
I get, at a push, that if I want the Arbiter skin it's going to cost me £15,00 (2500 zen) - even then this could have been discounted for those who bought the original Avenger.
If I buy both (Arbiter and Tier 6 Fleet cruiser) the way zen works I'm looking at spending £50 - that's expensive.
Why do I need to pay full price (20,000 energy credits and 5 ship modules - which is going to cost money, roughly £15) for the tier 6 iteration of the Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser?
Surely the ship modules should reduce to 1 if you've already purchased the original Avenger Battlecruiser?
Yes, I get that I "don't need it" but it is, when fully upgraded, a better ship and the point still stands that I have already invested cash (twice already) into this ship design, so why?
I get, at a push, that if I want the Arbiter skin it's going to cost me £15,00 (2500 zen) - even then this could have been discounted for those who bought the original Avenger.
If I buy both (Arbiter and Tier 6 Fleet cruiser) the way zen works I'm looking at spending £50 - that's expensive.
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You're not the first person complayining about this and probably not the last. Exactly the same stuff popped up after the T6 Long range sci vessel and the iconic T6 cruisers releases. And an a while I'm sure there will be one about the T6 defiant/brel/tvaro.
Besides, reselling tweaked versions for full price is nothing new, that's pretty much from T2 onwards.
while it would be nice to get a discount on the T-6 or at least make the T-6 Fleet cost only 1 Fleet module if you have a T-5U Fleet, I doubt it will happen.
Please, I've been playing this game since it was owned by Atari, I have the original Atari box which came with a t-shirt.
I'm somewhat perturbed with your response; for me, clearly, it is not "how it's always worked". My previous experience was that I purchased the Avenger Battlecruiser for full price and the tier 5 fleet version was discounted (from 5 ship modules to 1). So my experience is contrary to your assertion. Clearly it hasn't always been like that. A previous pricing model was used.
It is also not clear to how the Fleet tier 6 Avenger Battlecruiser is different enough to the Fleet Tier 5-U to be worthy of the label "new ship". It has an Intel slot, tier 6 starship mastery and better stats (which I would pay for if it were priced as per the Tier 5 version). The skin is the same and it doesn't even come with a new console.
Also, don't reel out the spiel that "Cryptic are here to make money", I know that, it doesn't and should never excuse a bad or unfair pricing model.
If it were the case that if you buy the Arbiter then the Fleet Tier 6 price is reduce I could somewhat, reluctantly swallow that.
*Althought what Cryptic should do is normalise all T5 ships so you get access to them at level 40. As it stands it doesn't make sense to have some T5 ships including all the free ships be available at level 40 while most are available at level 50, which is when T6 ships become available.
Also, prices should be normalised as well. T5 ships should cost 2000 zen and T6 ships cost 2500 zen but ah who am I kidding they're never going to do that
OK,
Is it worth purchasing a tier 6 fleet Avenger at full price when you already have a tier 5-u Fleet Avenger (which you bought at a discounted price) because you also purchased a tier 5 Avenger for 2500 zen?
STOs store prices are high. And I don't care if other games are worse, STO is still unreasonably expensive if you decide to invest real money into it.
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Personally, I can't understand that if they knew T6 was coming, why did they bother with T5U upgrades? Was this lack of foresight or was this intentional to get people to spend hundreds of dollars in upgrading their old T5 ships to T5U, only to turn around and say "oh we now offering T6 version of those ships you just upgraded?" Instead of T5U upgrades, why not offer T6 upgrades? Simple upgrades they could even change it up that lets us upgrade to the specialization we want? Or am I completely off and it's them hunting whales again?
I've honestly lost consumer trust. I want to support STO, but not when my wallet has a syphon on it.
Is it worth shelling out for again? Only you can really decide that. But those are clear advantages the T6 version has over the T5 one.
If you're willing to be patient though, you could save up the dilithium to convert to zen and not spend a cent. It would take you awhile to save up the dilithium but that's always an alternative.
Cryptic compensates the latter with the first. If someone is so loyal to the game and thinks it is worth some money, they ask a lot of money of them. Every ship is the equivalent of a full price game, basically. With that, they are not just financing making the ship in the first place, but also all the other stuff that they add that doesn't directly costs the player money.
You can have pretty everything in the game aside from veteran perks without ever spending money on the game. It doesn't matter if that would take a long time. A really significant part of the game requires no money and no grind at all. All story missions except perhaps t hose that now require levels beyond 50 are grind-free. You just play the missions and be done with it. You don't need to pay for new ships, you can just take the ones you get from leveling.
Free To Play splits the cost unevenly between players, but by having the few spend a lot and the lot spend few, the game gets a lot more players. Which is important for the first two "M"s in MMORPG.
When you buy a new computer it is possible you also own last year's version of it, the 3 years ago model, a model the manufacturer sold 7 years ago with a kinda sorta similar name, and so on - and you pay full price every time. That's a pretty hostile pricing model computer manufacturers use...
Replace "computer" with product of your choice.
Seriously, who's ever heard of getting discounts on new product based on owning some previous version of it?
Also, in order to get the ship trait, you will need the C-store version, the fleet version doesn't have it. Also, the C-store version has a universal console, which can work in tandem with the VATA console from the T5 version (add +33% turn rate and extra weapon damage, if both are equipped)
Best way to "critisize" the pricing is not buying the stuff you find too expensive. If there are too few peope that agree with the price and pay it, Cryptic will have to reconsider. But as long as their pricing scheme pays their bills and leaves a profit, they are fine.
Thank you for answering my question.
Glad i could help.
Unless they have a captive audience. However, Observing the 111th Rule of Acquisition, while ignoring the 57th, can still lead to eventual financial ruin. it depends on how the customers respond.
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Lol.. you must be new.
Money spent in the past doesn't show up in the current books.
You see it as $25+$7+$30. Cryptic sees it as $30.
....What, you didn't think it was actually about improving the game did you?
STO is based largely on macrotransactions. You're expected to shell out around $30 every 2 months or so (or at least play enough to earn enough Dil to pay off a large chunk of that, paying in the form of feeding the metrics).
Content is never behind a pay wall though, so there's that. But STO's $15/month subscription fee comes in the form of new ships that are compelling to buy because of power creep and P2W.
So as it stands the only difference between it and the Tier 5-U Avenger is a slightly stronger hull and the fact that its listed Tier 6.
If you really think that is truly the only difference, then you really need to read. There is far more to T6 than that.
because precedent has been set . your going to pay again for each ship you previously bought and upgraded to get it up to the current standard of what you need at level 50+ game play .
Then you're either lying about how long you have had the game, or you truly lack understanding.
The ship does have a module discount if you purchase the C-Store Version of the Tier 6 Ship. Here is what you're somehow failing to understand.. YOU DON'T OWN THE PREVIOUS VERSION. The T5 Avenger and the T6 Arbiter are different ships. If you bought the T6 Arbiter you would get the module discount on the Fleet Arbiter.
The reason you don't get a module discount is because you're trying to buy a totally different ship. The Avenger and the Arbiter are not the same. You're not getting a discount because you're not entitled to one.
And again, you demonstrate the real problem.. your lack of understanding.
The C-Store version comes with the Trait and the special console. The Fleet Version comes with neither, just like every previous release of every T6 ship ever.
You don't even know what the T6 version gets you, because you get far more then what you stated including Intel Specialist seating.
Please do some research before complaining.
How many ships can you fly at once? The latest and greatest blows up just as pretty as the older ships.
This has been my lesson to learn.
This don't mean that I won't buy ships, I mean, I love em, love em all!, But I don't have to go all Pokemon gettin em all.
The fact of the matter is... this has been discussed to oblivion and back with the pathfinder and iconic ships. Owning the T5s does not mean you should get a discount on the T6 variants. That would be like saying "I got the T2 Rhode Island! Give me a discount on the T5 version", or saying "I got the Intrepid Refit! Give me a discount on the T5 Intrepid Retrofit". The only discounts you can get is for the equivelent Fleet version of any T5 or T6 ship you own. You have the T5 Avenger? You got a Fleet Module Discount for the T5 Fleet Avenger. You have the new T6 Arbiter? Great! You now have a Fleet Module Discount for the Fleet variant.
Nowhere in the line of new ships have we EVER been given a C-Store discount for a ship of a higher tier because we own a ship of a lower tier. For all intents and purposes, T6 ships are seperate entities. The fact that some can use parts from previous tier ships does not factor in.
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Just goes to show when it comes to ANYTHING C-Store, Cryptic's 'word' isn't worth much. If they realize some Whale will pay they'll throw it out the door with some doublespeak if they go back on something said previously.
It's a business and their bottom line is profit above all else.
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And I still see T5s in STFs that perform just as good as any T6.
The only real advantage a T6 has besides leveling effectiveness (which it starts out at 0) is 1 console and a specialization gimick. Take the gimick and leveling out... Its not that different at all.
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