Arbiter class design is a 500% improvement over the Avenger class.
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The costume designs are getting worse and worse. I think that's the ultimate goal of the Iconians. To kill all designers so that our ships look so bad no one wants to fly it. Then no one will oppose them.
I agree. We need better looking ships. Man oh man do I miss seeing the TOS Klingon Battlecruiser. That ship is tha'shizz yaknow?
What in the world is going through the minds of the ship 'artists' is beyond me. These ships are Craepzz!!
Also, it's about choice. I'd fly this over the Intel ships simply because it looks better.
(But really, I'll always fly my Excelsior)
Yeah same here. I don't really like these designs. Only thing that would pull me out of my T5U Excelsior is a T6 Excelsior and that seems unlikely.
I'm guessing you haven't heard the rumors that a T6 version is supposedly coming. Though I'd hazard if it's not just a rumor, it'll also be modernized with a 2410 skin that's similar to the Command ships (which do have a similar hull setup to the Excelsior; and a design style I hate so much but tolerate since the default view is to my ship's aft when playing).
the Morrigu only has 4 forward weapons? confirm this as a typo, pls
It's not a typo. It's not a Battlecruiser, it's a Tactical Warbird, and just like it'S Tier 5 sister, it has a 4/3 weapon layout. It also has a full tactical BO loadout, 5 tactical consoles rather than 4, and a 5 points higher turn rate than the Battlecruisers. Oh, and traits that mostly focus on damage/weapon buffs.
thanks for confirming why i won't be purchasing one, then. romulans can't even get a good sci ship, now another ripoff
Arbiter class seems to 'grow' from the Regent class instead of the Avenger - not too sure I like that.
Where's the 'compact' design of the battlecruiser gone? This ugly thing looks more like the love-child of the Regent and the Dyson Science Destroyer.
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The stats on these, the console set bonus, and the ship trait look fantastic, I must say!
I gotta agree that my gut reaction to the initial visuals on the Fed ship was to find it pretty ugly. But as more artwork has been published, I think my opinion is changing. Here, let me show you what I mean with a specific example:
Compare this angled profile... which looks rather bulky, inelegant, and chunky
to the fully side-on profile in part of this image.
The profile of the ship in that second image looks completely different, and far more attractive I think. It looks much sleeker and aggressive. I can't quite tell, though, if that trio of images in the second link are from actual in-game design or from artist's rendering. My sincere hope is that the ship looks more truthfully like the second image, and less like the first.
When buying the bundle do you buy 3 ships like Klingon Romulan and Federation or you buy 3 ships of the same faction ? And where do u get the other 2 consoles to complete the set (Romulan faction)
When buying the bundle do you buy 3 ships like Klingon Romulan and Federation or you buy 3 ships of the same faction ?
It's the same bundle style as the Andromeda/Negh/D'Khellra.
In this case: 1 Bundle = 1 Arbiter (Fed), 1 Kurak (KDF), and 1 Morrigu (Romulan).
Then your alts just claim the ship appropriate to their faction (meaning that no KDF can claim the Arbiter, or a Fed able to claim the Morrigu).
The wording in the post may or may not still sound like there's a 9 pack. Which isn't surprising since they usually copy/paste/edit previous bundle wording instead of having a template for X-Faction bundles, Mega Bundles, and single ships or ship-specific bundles.
I have to agree with some of the other posters here in regards to the Arbiter's design. It doesn't look like a Starfleet ship made in 2410 - or any time period, for that matter. As shown with the Arbiter, there seems to be a trend going on lately in making ships with fancy, and often over-sized, deflectors. Also, tone down on the nacelle designs; there are too many different cut-outs and shapes exposing the shiny blue and red areas. I think the Odyssey is a good example of keeping these two things simple but elegant.
I've just recently come across this design by Michael Wiley: https://sketchfab.com/models/8a91022fd8854034ae81a6c0e1ffadb3. This is exactly the kind of ship you'd expect to be made in STO's era. It looks like a believable Starfleet vessel developed in the decades after a design like the Sovereign's in the 2370s. Not to mention that it's a beautiful looking ship (just look at those curves).
With that said... Get Michael Wiley on your ship team!
When buying the bundle do you buy 3 ships like Klingon Romulan and Federation or you buy 3 ships of the same faction ?
It's the same bundle style as the Andromeda/Negh/D'Khellra.
In this case: 1 Bundle = 1 Arbiter (Fed), 1 Kurak (KDF), and 1 Morrigu (Romulan).
Then your alts just claim the ship appropriate to their faction (meaning that no KDF can claim the Arbiter, or a Fed able to claim the Morrigu).
The wording in the post may or may not still sound like there's a 9 pack. Which isn't surprising since they usually copy/paste/edit previous bundle wording instead of having a template for X-Faction bundles, Mega Bundles, and single ships or ship-specific bundles.
my question still stays where do i find the other 2 consoles to complete the set ? And ty for the help btw
my question still stays where do i find the other 2 consoles to complete the set ? And ty for the help btw
You get them from the other two variants of the Morrigu: the Valdore has the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator and the Mogai has the Ionized Particle Beam. Both ships can be purchased in the C-Store.
Thanks for the intel seats--was hoping intel wouldn't get thrown under the bus in favor of newer specializations (I struggle to get spec points, and intel's all I've got).
Maybe one day we'll see ships with "universal" specialist seating, and then everyone can have it however they'd like. I think that'd be interesting.
my question still stays where do i find the other 2 consoles to complete the set ? And ty for the help btw
T3 and T5 C-Store Mogai (one of them is the Valdore, which also unlocks the Valdore skin for the Morrigu when customizing the ship's visual look). Same way the other console for the Arbiter and Kurak only come with the C-Store Avenger and C-Store Mogh.
I've just recently come across this design by Michael Wiley: https://sketchfab.com/models/8a91022fd8854034ae81a6c0e1ffadb3. This is exactly the kind of ship you'd expect to be made in STO's era. It looks like a believable Starfleet vessel developed in the decades after a design like the Sovereign's in the 2370s. Not to mention that it's a beautiful looking ship (just look at those curves).
It looks more like a possible T6 Sovereign design (and in fact, I think he mentioned on his dA page that it was based on the Sovereign; shares similar scale to it as well). And if they do decide to follow through with their Pilot teaser page, would fit with a Pilot spec hybrid seat. The other thing is that the Polaris also does share similarities with the 2410 designs of the Guardian and Andromeda (notably the triangular deflector and the lower hull shape from the front and sides).
Personally, I do hope we get the Polaris as a T6 Sovereign successor.
For the life of me I can see how a "Battle" Cruiser does not have a Commander Tactical station. So I'm not buying it. I bought two of the last Command Cruisers - I like them but won't buy another ship without the stations I want in place. Ensign stations are worthless and I can see using them on ships that are free but if you want me to spend money on a ship (which I'm willing to do) it better be worth it and loaded for bear. A "Battle" Cruiser should have Commander or Lt. Command stations for all. Who's going to get a ship made for war and have Ensigns at a station?
That's my 2 cents. BTW - I like the design or the Arbiter class - too bad it's gutless.
I'm kind of supprised that the skin for the sovereign class ships on the starfleet side
You mean surprised it's not? And I agree, I think this would have been a fantastic opportunity to merge the avenger/sovie lines so as not to have so many ships with such similar console/boff layouts. However, I would want a sovie skin upgrade when it comes and maybe it will get a unique boff/console layout that will make me glad they didn't roll them all together. Although the arbiter does look strikingly sov-like from the side, and freaking gorgeous from that angle... unfortunately to my eyes it's terribad from every other angle.
I have to agree with some of the other posters here in regards to the Arbiter's design. It doesn't look like a Starfleet ship made in 2410 - or any time period, for that matter. As shown with the Arbiter, there seems to be a trend going on lately in making ships with fancy, and often over-sized, deflectors. Also, tone down on the nacelle designs; there are too many different cut-outs and shapes exposing the shiny blue and red areas. I think the Odyssey is a good example of keeping these two things simple but elegant.
I've just recently come across this design by Michael Wiley: https://sketchfab.com/models/8a91022fd8854034ae81a6c0e1ffadb3. This is exactly the kind of ship you'd expect to be made in STO's era. It looks like a believable Starfleet vessel developed in the decades after a design like the Sovereign's in the 2370s. Not to mention that it's a beautiful looking ship (just look at those curves).
With that said... Get Michael Wiley on your ship team!
Anyway, that's just my insignificant opinion.
That's not that bad of a design. And it more or less fits among the Odyssey, the Command cruisers and the Guardian (while clearly being sourced from the sovvie).
And I am in agreement, I much prefer the simplicity and elegance of the Odyssey, or mostly even the Command cruisers (mainly the eng, Concorde class) to the rugedness and 'irregularities' of the Avenger or the Arbiter (or the Armitage). Somewhere in the middle end up ships like the Regent and Andromeda, that use straight lines, remain angular, but are kept relatively simple, 'clean'.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I was waiting to see what they did with the consoles, and as I feared, rather than increasing the paltry Science console count, they tossed in yet another Engineering console. But, then I see they decided to increase for the Fleet version. Kind of a poke in the eye for anyone not in a fleet with access to a Tier 5 or whatever shipyard.
I am on the fence. I like the slim profile of the T6 version over the T5, but still only having a single Science console is a major hit on the pros/cons list in determining if I would purchase it or not. With the way NPC damage has been ramped up through the roof in the past year, not being able to pad your shields is a major factor in how a ship handles and lasts, and I doubt the little gimick buffs and traits on the ship are enough to compensate for 2-3 Science Consoles that buff shield capacity or regen rate.
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The Romulan is possible. The KDF looks horrible. I rather go for the Negh'Var. As the Fed. It looks like someone took a couple of frying pans and welded them together. The worst ever for a ship look. I rather have a Typhoon. Bring out the Typhoon !!
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I was waiting to see what they did with the consoles, and as I feared, rather than increasing the paltry Science console count, they tossed in yet another Engineering console. But, then I see they decided to increase for the Fleet version. Kind of a poke in the eye for anyone not in a fleet with access to a Tier 5 or whatever shipyard.
I am on the fence. I like the slim profile of the T6 version over the T5, but still only having a single Science console is a major hit on the pros/cons list in determining if I would purchase it or not. With the way NPC damage has been ramped up through the roof in the past year, not being able to pad your shields is a major factor in how a ship handles and lasts, and I doubt the little gimick buffs and traits on the ship are enough to compensate for 2-3 Science Consoles that buff shield capacity or regen rate.
You do know Tier 6 versions of Tier 5 ships keep the stats (and thus the console slot layout) of T5-U versions of those ships, right? That they only get a fancy ship trait unlockable, 1 added Boff ability and some specialization to spruce it up, hmm?
Then of course the Arbiter and the Kurak must keep 1 sci console slot on non Fleet versions.
For the life of me I can see how a "Battle" Cruiser does not have a Commander Tactical station. So I'm not buying it. I bought two of the last Command Cruisers - I like them but won't buy another ship without the stations I want in place. Ensign stations are worthless and I can see using them on ships that are free but if you want me to spend money on a ship (which I'm willing to do) it better be worth it and loaded for bear. A "Battle" Cruiser should have Commander or Lt. Command stations for all. Who's going to get a ship made for war and have Ensigns at a station?
That's my 2 cents. BTW - I like the design or the Arbiter class - too bad it's gutless.
Battlecruisers are in the game for years. Not one of them has ever had a Commander tac. Battlecruisers are in fact cruisers (recognisable, among other things, by a Commander engineer) that can also mount Dual (Heavy) cannons and differ slightly in cruiser active arrays and mastery passives.
Also, any T5 ship has 12 Boff ability slots (13 for T6) barring for KDF's BoPs. For the sake of 'manageable powercreep', ships have only one Commander slot and at most two Lt.Commander slots. That just calls for at least some versions to have ensign slots.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Battlecruisers are in the game for years. Not one of them has ever had a Commander tac.
Doesn't make it right. Maybe they'll make the change one day. It just makes no sense that a Battle Cruiser isn't better than a Command Cruiser in Tactical. It should have at least Commander Tac and Commander Eng stations.
The costume designs are getting worse and worse. I think that's the ultimate goal of the Iconians. To kill all designers so that our ships look so bad no one wants to fly it. Then no one will oppose them.
Can't really think of a ship in KDF that even looks good.
And it seems for FED if it doesn't has a big TRIBBLE saucer on it, it isn't a FED ship. Which this in turn makes everything look almost the same if not worse. Sometimes the same thing over and over again can become annoying instead of keeping things "in the style" of.
The other thing besides having so many battle cruisers now and the only one we really needed was the missing negh'var. Although their selling point on these ships is the mastery but being how grindy mastery and specializations are on top of dilithium and reputation grinds that just was overwhelming for me. It has gotten so bad and grindy that I haven't even logged on to even go to this risa event. The only reasons I have logged in 2015 really was to play the episodes that come out just to keep up with the story because other than that the game has taken a nose dive because of all these grindfests.
So if they want to get anywhere selling ships the first thing is to come down off the high horse on this xp grind and maybe just maybe people will start buying these ships again if they can't get over in reality how they actually already bought them and that its just going through a boring gear grind cycle that works for about a year but then kills their future in the industry.
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I agree. We need better looking ships. Man oh man do I miss seeing the TOS Klingon Battlecruiser. That ship is tha'shizz yaknow?
What in the world is going through the minds of the ship 'artists' is beyond me. These ships are Craepzz!!
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These ships are really laugh out loud pathetic looking.
I know everyone has different opinions and are entitled to them, but that design looks blander than the classic Galaxy or Ambassador ever did.
thanks for confirming why i won't be purchasing one, then. romulans can't even get a good sci ship, now another ripoff
Where's the 'compact' design of the battlecruiser gone? This ugly thing looks more like the love-child of the Regent and the Dyson Science Destroyer.
I gotta agree that my gut reaction to the initial visuals on the Fed ship was to find it pretty ugly. But as more artwork has been published, I think my opinion is changing. Here, let me show you what I mean with a specific example:
Compare this angled profile... which looks rather bulky, inelegant, and chunky
to the fully side-on profile in part of this image.
The profile of the ship in that second image looks completely different, and far more attractive I think. It looks much sleeker and aggressive. I can't quite tell, though, if that trio of images in the second link are from actual in-game design or from artist's rendering. My sincere hope is that the ship looks more truthfully like the second image, and less like the first.
In this case: 1 Bundle = 1 Arbiter (Fed), 1 Kurak (KDF), and 1 Morrigu (Romulan).
Then your alts just claim the ship appropriate to their faction (meaning that no KDF can claim the Arbiter, or a Fed able to claim the Morrigu).
The wording in the post may or may not still sound like there's a 9 pack. Which isn't surprising since they usually copy/paste/edit previous bundle wording instead of having a template for X-Faction bundles, Mega Bundles, and single ships or ship-specific bundles.
I've just recently come across this design by Michael Wiley: https://sketchfab.com/models/8a91022fd8854034ae81a6c0e1ffadb3. This is exactly the kind of ship you'd expect to be made in STO's era. It looks like a believable Starfleet vessel developed in the decades after a design like the Sovereign's in the 2370s. Not to mention that it's a beautiful looking ship (just look at those curves).
With that said... Get Michael Wiley on your ship team!
Anyway, that's just my insignificant opinion.
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my question still stays where do i find the other 2 consoles to complete the set ? And ty for the help btw
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Maybe one day we'll see ships with "universal" specialist seating, and then everyone can have it however they'd like. I think that'd be interesting.
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It looks more like a possible T6 Sovereign design (and in fact, I think he mentioned on his dA page that it was based on the Sovereign; shares similar scale to it as well). And if they do decide to follow through with their Pilot teaser page, would fit with a Pilot spec hybrid seat. The other thing is that the Polaris also does share similarities with the 2410 designs of the Guardian and Andromeda (notably the triangular deflector and the lower hull shape from the front and sides).
Personally, I do hope we get the Polaris as a T6 Sovereign successor.
That's my 2 cents. BTW - I like the design or the Arbiter class - too bad it's gutless.
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This is all.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
You mean surprised it's not? And I agree, I think this would have been a fantastic opportunity to merge the avenger/sovie lines so as not to have so many ships with such similar console/boff layouts. However, I would want a sovie skin upgrade when it comes and maybe it will get a unique boff/console layout that will make me glad they didn't roll them all together. Although the arbiter does look strikingly sov-like from the side, and freaking gorgeous from that angle... unfortunately to my eyes it's terribad from every other angle.
That's not that bad of a design. And it more or less fits among the Odyssey, the Command cruisers and the Guardian (while clearly being sourced from the sovvie).
And I am in agreement, I much prefer the simplicity and elegance of the Odyssey, or mostly even the Command cruisers (mainly the eng, Concorde class) to the rugedness and 'irregularities' of the Avenger or the Arbiter (or the Armitage). Somewhere in the middle end up ships like the Regent and Andromeda, that use straight lines, remain angular, but are kept relatively simple, 'clean'.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I am on the fence. I like the slim profile of the T6 version over the T5, but still only having a single Science console is a major hit on the pros/cons list in determining if I would purchase it or not. With the way NPC damage has been ramped up through the roof in the past year, not being able to pad your shields is a major factor in how a ship handles and lasts, and I doubt the little gimick buffs and traits on the ship are enough to compensate for 2-3 Science Consoles that buff shield capacity or regen rate.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
You do know Tier 6 versions of Tier 5 ships keep the stats (and thus the console slot layout) of T5-U versions of those ships, right? That they only get a fancy ship trait unlockable, 1 added Boff ability and some specialization to spruce it up, hmm?
Then of course the Arbiter and the Kurak must keep 1 sci console slot on non Fleet versions.
Battlecruisers are in the game for years. Not one of them has ever had a Commander tac. Battlecruisers are in fact cruisers (recognisable, among other things, by a Commander engineer) that can also mount Dual (Heavy) cannons and differ slightly in cruiser active arrays and mastery passives.
Also, any T5 ship has 12 Boff ability slots (13 for T6) barring for KDF's BoPs. For the sake of 'manageable powercreep', ships have only one Commander slot and at most two Lt.Commander slots. That just calls for at least some versions to have ensign slots.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Doesn't make it right. Maybe they'll make the change one day. It just makes no sense that a Battle Cruiser isn't better than a Command Cruiser in Tactical. It should have at least Commander Tac and Commander Eng stations.
"The higher the fewer."
Take care of the old then bring in the new.
And instead of making all these ugly TRIBBLE ships, can you people finally f**king add the freaking Typhoon Battleship already for f**k sakes!
Can't really think of a ship in KDF that even looks good.
And it seems for FED if it doesn't has a big TRIBBLE saucer on it, it isn't a FED ship. Which this in turn makes everything look almost the same if not worse. Sometimes the same thing over and over again can become annoying instead of keeping things "in the style" of.
The sheer irony of complaining about ugly ships yet wanting the Typhoon is incredibly humorous to me.
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Cause I vaguely remember some talk about how universals won't/can't become hybrid stations.
So if they want to get anywhere selling ships the first thing is to come down off the high horse on this xp grind and maybe just maybe people will start buying these ships again if they can't get over in reality how they actually already bought them and that its just going through a boring gear grind cycle that works for about a year but then kills their future in the industry.