I've never been a big fan of any of the Cryptic default uniforms. Too many odd folds, flaps and overlapping materials for just reasons that can't be fathomed. It's never a simple, sleek and elegant design. I want immersion my way, not necessarily with the game story-line. Not that I hate the game's story line per se. I think Cryptoc did pretty good considering the mess they were left with post 2009. But it breaks my immersion a little to see Romulans in parka outfits on my ship, especially in the short skirts.
But once upon a time for a very short period of time there use to be this bug that would put a star fleet crew member on your non-BOFF bridge seating. It was crappy but it was fixed relatively quickly.
I see. I've heard of that, now that I think about it. And I would actually prefer as Romulan uniforms something more utilitarian. THe Republic isn't flush with funds like the Feds, nor does it have the desire to have all the bits of metal and leather that hte Kolingons have. I would like hte Republic uniforms more without the padded collars and such.
ALso...1) They aren't parkas (No hoods or fur lining) so i'm not sure what you are getting at there, and 2) Which short skirts?
You might want to re-read what I said.. I'd said there's nothing wrong with flying 'em, but there's no reason by the in-game lore to have IRW on the warbirds. The no-prefix option is there for RPing all things outside of Republic use.
And no, the last 3 releases of Republic warbirds haven't had IRW.
I did read, and understand your point. Let me try to put mine in a better way. Claiming in-game lore reasons for only certain sections of warbirds doesn't make sense, since by in-game lore the Republic wouldn't be tolerant of it's fleet flying around with I.R.W. prefixes.
Since you're ok with seeing I.R.W. anyway, what harm comes from it appearing in a few more places if it makes other Romulans happy? Why oppose something that pleases all of us who enjoy being Romulan in our own way, since clearly you do enjoy being Romulan as I do.
That being said, dropping the game purely for this reason is a bit mulish radaik . I want this prefix, but really isn't a deal breaker. The opposition just puzzles me is all.
Thirdly, sadly I think the default Romulan jackets suck as uniforms, the KDF-aligned ones are the best ones to me, not to mention the free Tal Shiar ones we get. I also enjoy the 23rd century uniform making my way to Fleet Admiral to see if how the shoulder pads fit on it. :P
OT: I'm glad Trendy is looking into it, thanks alot astro .
The Romulan Star Empire still exists in game. It has been smashed and reduced to a mere shadow of what it once was, but it is still there and there should be an option for an I.R.W. prefix for the D'deridex variants.
Not true. The "T6" designation is a game mechanic. What you are arguing is a story RP aspect. Many of the D'Ds in the Republic Fleet are "liberated" from Tal Shiar control. The mistake you are making is called "meta-gaming", where player knowledge of game mechanics and character knowledge are conflated. A common fallacy in RPGs, to be sure, but an importaint one.
if Sela can use a PADD to hack a liberated borg, who may or may not have been in orbit, to orchestrate her prison break..... I think the Imperial Remnants, and Tal Shiar stooges can get their hands on the plans for an updated D'Derp or even a half dozen of the ships themselves.
They had no issues stealing the Prometheus prototype plans for their Ha'apax development. I do agree that the idea of the Tal Shiar being unable to steal Republic ship design plans for themselves is something of a stretch.
I would like to point out how very difficult it is to capture a ship outside of the often contrived circumstances of TV shows. You not only have over a thousand armed and resisting crew members, but also counter-boarding equipment, and uphill battle through terrain the enemy controls, and at the end, a self-destruct.
I personally believe that having all the lockbox ships is a bit silly. Especially the undine ones. They make no sense.
Anyway, like I have said before, cryptic has more important things to worry about than a faction of Romulan players. Their time is more productively spent making new toys for the feds. Regardless of my opposition, I would still find some good in this happening, because it would show that cryptic actually pays attention to the Romulan players.
The whole point of this is not who built the D'D whether it be tier 5, tier 6 or tier 1600. The whole point of this is being able to choose. Naming prefixes are not hard baked into warbirds, battle cruisers, etc, with no hope of changing them.
If former Imperial ships currently in Republic service were able to change their prefix, the reverse is also true. No fortress is impregnable, no computer unhackable. In other word to quote Joseph Sisko:"There isn't a test that's been created that a smart man can't find his way around." Ships and plans can always be stolen like has been mentioned. Defectors and spies have always, and currently do exist in every government on the planet.
It won't kill Republic rp'ers/non rp'ers anymore so then the opposite kills Imperial rp'ers/non rp'ers. Live and let live, A extra prefix option won't hurt anyone. Both sides win and the status quo is maintained. (That being, most supporters of both sides seem to hate the other sides guts.:P)
(The main thing that may help depends on Cryptic's resolution to the Romulan civil war, which so far seems to be a three way battle)
The most advanced ships in Star Trek have been stolen, captured, overtaken, broken, destroyed, duplicated, reverse-engineered, and all of the above from alternate realities/universes/timelines. Sometimes by alien governments. Sometimes by their own crew. Sometimes by an individual person with a strange technobabble device nobody has encountered before, and thus have no countermeasure against.
The Enterprise-D was taken out by a B'Rel Bird-of-Prey. The Defiant was stolen by Thomas Riker and the Maquis. I can go on and go through an exhaustive list about how vulnerable the most advanced and iconic ships of Star Trek can be taken down by a paperclip and a rubberband by space MacGuyver.
The only reason everything works out in the end is because it's an hour-long television show that requires everything to return to normal at the end as a requirement of storytelling. Even when the Defiant was destroyed, Admiral Ross gave Sisko the exact same ship back to him and allowed them to rename the Sao Paulo back to Defiant. Why? Because it'd just be too confusing for the viewers to wonder why all of a sudden Sisko is flying the Sao Paulo instead of the Defiant.
If the T6 D'Deridex didn't have the D'Deridex skin option, I'd have no problem saying "RRW prefix only? Okay." But if they're going to package the D'Deridex skin in with it, then to me it's no different from having the Mirror Universe ships given their regular non-MU counterparts prefixes and skins, despite the ship quite clearly being made in the Mirror Universe.
It's about options. The people who like the RRW prefix aren't being forced into using the IRW prefix against their will. They aren't losing anything.
I'm all about more options, regardless of the ship. Cryptic's games have been about customization and options. Asking for more customization and more options to make our ships/characters more unique in a Cryptic game is neither unreasonable, nor trivial. It's something they've done through all of their games.
If it's not indecent, obscene, or otherwise extremely inappropriate, I'm not seeing the big deal in trying to prohibit more people from being more diverse and making their own ships more unique to them. The stretch from RRW to IRW is a lot shorter than RRW to USS/IKS, and I don't see them removing that option anytime soon.
The D'deridex is the iconic ship of the Romulan Star Empire throughout most of Star Trek.
Claiming that the Star Empire shouldn't have access to it at endgame is absurd.
If I can, fly a Adapted destroyer with the IRW prefix on my Federation character, not being able to fly under the IRW prefix as a Romulan, on the most iconic Romulan ship is ridiculous.
Likely just another oversight or slapped-together job by Cryptic most likely. Like the Tal Shiar uniform missing pieces.
I appreciate head canon every now and then but that's all the above statement is. There is no more proof that a ship or a design hasn't been stolen then there is, leaving unofficial player assumptions.
Not if the plans or the ship was stolen. I still can't quite wrap my head around the issue that, it seems sometimes that you think it impossible for a Republic design to be stolen and copied in any way shape or form.
If you went by that statement most Republic recommissioned ships and designs came from the RSE. And many of the 'new' ships that the Republic has made are based on original Imperial designs, so who would hypothetically be in poor shape there.
There are exclusively Republic designs out there that can use the IRW prefix. Like the T4 D'ridthau, for instance, which likewise has both a 'Republic' Skin and a D'deridex skin. So it can be flown as a D'deridex or D'ridthau- even an 'Imperial' D'ridthau-despite the fact that the RSE doesn't use them.
Fleetgrade and T5u ships can also equip the IRW Prefix as well. Every non-T6 variant can.
The ship also comes with a D'deridex skin anyways, so there's no reason it couldn't just be an RSE upgraded D'deridex. Likewise no reason one can't just fly it as a captured Republic ship. Nothing stopping the Republic/KDF/Starfleet from using the Adapted ships, no reason it can't work both ways.
There's absolutely nothing about this ship that makes this a special case. Cryptic has just been slipshod with the application of prefix's again. this has happened before.
There's no good reason why people who want to RP as Imperials should have to downgrade to a lower tier in order to do so, other than spite. Are certain Republic proponents so vexed by anything that might be conceived as a bone thrown in their direction that keeping Imperial RPers from using the IRW prefix on the most important Romulan ship is somehow a sensible position?
((Most of this is in-character, and I would prefer that it were all in-character, but because of the nature of the discussion, I will of necessity have to make some out-of-character comments. Most of those will not be indicated as such, because they are too closely interwoven with the IC stuff, but some (besides this prefatory disclaimer) will be clearly marked off as OOC in the same way that this introductiory bit is, by means of being enclosed in double parentheses. My character would not realistically make many of these comments, because they have to do with game mechanics, player options, and meta-RP matters, and are thus outside storyline, but I like to think that the attitude in which the in-character comments I make here would be her attitude, and since I am she, and she is I, in some sense, then I can say with something close to certainty that she would indeed have this attitude.))
I believe my reputation as a staunch supporter of the New Romulan Republic and tenacious foe of the Tal'Shiar and the decaying refuse into which the Star Empire devolved is rather well-established. *looks around, an inquisitive yet challenging look on her face* Yes? Good. With that out of the way, let me see if I can offer a solution which will satisfy all. And don't you dare even so much as consider the slightest chance that my stance has softened. It has not. I despise the Tal'Shiar for what they did to my first husband and his memory. I hate what the Star Empire turned into after his assassination. I detest Sila as an incompetent and insane fool, who has never successfully done aught but save her own rear (and even that not always very well). I loathe the Tal'Shiar for what they did to BILLIONS of our people and our homes. I revile the Tal'Shiar for their responsibility for the act that led to my lover being lost and for years of not knowing whether my daughter were alive or dead. I abhor the Tal'Shiar for what they did to Virinat and Crateris and Rhi and other colonies and their people, my family and friends, my adopted daughter and her family, the families of my friends, and all the others. I WILL kill Sila the first chance I get, as an escaped prisoner and for failure to discharge command responsibility, at the very least.
HOWEVER.
I have in my personal squadron a Tal'Shiar Adapted Destroyer and a Tal'Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser. The first is designated the "R.R.W. Hvei'khenn," and the second is the "R.R.W. Kheh'irho." I captured these vessels, as well as several others (Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort, the "R.R.W. Khellian," Breen Sarr Theln Carrier, the "R.R.W. ra'Khoi Lliashkh," Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, the "R.R.W. ra'Vauthil," Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, the "R.R.W. Roselae ih'Temar," and assorted others, of which only one retains the original registry, that being one of the Mirror Universe warbirds I captured, with every other captured vessel proudly re-registered as "R.R.W."). To quote S'chin T'gai Spahkh, If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Frankly, it is impossible for the RSE (or the Tal'Shiar, for those who have bought into the claim that the two are no longer on friendly terms) to design or construct a T6 warbird on their own. It is impossible for the Tal'Shiar to steal a T6 warbird (much less six), or plans for one, from the Republic. They have demonstrated -- repeatedly -- that they can do nothing right. There is a term common in the military for such schlemiels, but it cannot be reproduced here, alas, due to some persons' inability to examine the sources of their supposed morals.
Be that as it may, the Tal'Shiar is not the entirety of the RSE, no matter how they have sought to dominate the latter. I frankly give those who continue to cling to the rotting corpse of the RSE little credit, either, but at least most of them were not subjected to Tal'Shiar mind control devices and conditioning, so there may be an enterprising commando or 12 with some capability to do something other than TRIBBLE up. It is also entirely possible that someone managed to trick their way into a position of trust within the Republic's civilian government (which has demonstrated by its bungled handling of a high profile prisoner that it may be at times too trusting) and absconded with a blueprint for the advanced specs of a T6 warbird or three. Gaius Selan is also not the only liberated Bhorgha in the RRF or the Republic. If so great a bungler as Sila could manage to hack his implants in order to effect an escape, someone less incompetent, like, say, Janek, might have managed to hack the implants of another Bhorgha inside the Republic and exploited that person and his or her implants to steal plans. It is also not impossible, however improbable it may be, that an RRF officer or scientist might defect to the enemy with such plans, if the enticement for doing so were sweet enough. Even Romulans know greed and lust for power (this is surely a tautology, yes?).
The fact is, some things are indeed unrealistic, and must therefore be eliminated as impossible. Elimination of the impossible leaves something, or some things, behind. Those are not impossible. Some of them are implausible, but not impossible. Since there be more than one remaining option, which is not impossible, further definition is not possible for the analyst without additional evidence. Thus, any or all of those remaining possibilities could be the truth.
((I dislike the D'deridex immensely. I have many reasons for this dislike, but one of them is the fact that it is so very strongly associated with what I view as a perversion of Romulanity from the original intent and portrayal in TOS, beginning with TNG. To me, as to many others of varying persuasions on the question of our still-raging civil war, the D'deridex is one of the most distinctive symbols of the Romulan Star Empire in what I view as the decline of that polity. I can see absolutely no reason to oppose the display of "I.R.W." on a warbird with such an association. In fact, although I do indeed agree that ALL T6 WARBIRDS ARE DESIGNED AND BUILT BY THE NEW ROMULAN REPUBLIC, nevertheless, if ANY warbird OUGHT to have "I.R.W.," it's a D'deridex, regardless of tier. If Cryptic could even just limit the use of that registry to the D'khellra WHEN IT USES THE D'DERIDEX MESH/SKIN, that would be entirely satisfactory to me, but I doubt they will go to that much trouble.
We all know that, in the game storyline itself, the RSE is now almost gone, no longer a major power, hardly a threat, but even so, they can still offer a challenge on occasion. Most of us who RP do not PvP much if at all. I have in the past, and I will again, but my memories of PvP in STO are rather ... conflicted, due to the person I used to go to Ker'rat with no longer being what he once was to me (but the less said about that, the better). The only issue I can see as an objection to this request apart from "No, the Republic made these," is "You are from a nearly defeated power, with dwindling resources, fighting a rereward battle against almost every other power around you, and so you should not have an equal ship in which to PvP." First, if they don't have an equal ship, where's the satisfaction in battling them in Ker'rat or the Briar Patch or wherever? If there's no challenge, what have you accomplished? Second, PvP and RP are not coterminous, and the Imperialists do have to do PvE like everyone else, no matter how politically ... silly ... they are, even if they want to PvP.))
Am I, like, ecstatic about the idea of Imperialists having T6 ships? By no means.
Do they offer logically possible explanations for how they might have such a ship (T6)? In some cases, absolutely not! In some cases, yes, absolutely, they have given possibilities which are not unrealistic. Is there precedent for Star Empire supporters to fly a ship of that appearance? Uh. Yeah. Like, almost exclusively. ((I say "almost" only because some of us in STO were foolish enough to try to use the flying brick earlier in our careers.)) To my mind, ships of that appearance are almost synonymous with the Star Empire.
((Is there any fair reason to deny other players, no matter our philosophical differences, the ability to compete at "endgame"? No, and I don't believe anyone would say that (even a staunch opponent of the RSE like myself). The issue here is whether or not such a ship should be able to use the "I.R.W." prefix. The objections are twofold: 1. all T6 ships are Republic-designed, Republic-constructed, and Republic-commissioned. 2. the prefix is not currently available to the D'khellra. In response to these objections, I will state: 1. whether it be intended or not (and I think I remember seeing somewhere that it was not, but I'm not invested enough in placing limits on other players to bother with looking for it), a precedent does exist, in that there are already T6 warbirds which can be given the prefix in question, and 2. a dedicated Romulan carrier is not currently available, but we still ask for that, among several other things which are not currently available. And, finally, as others here have said, 3. it does no harm, it encourages C-store purchases, and thus helps keep the game profitable for those with the pockets which hunger for more filling.))
I ask my fellow Republic loyalists to consider what I have here stated, and the quotes I have included above. This is not an order to my subordinate officers in the Tal'Diann. This is a request. Step back, turn the passion down a bit (I know, we are Romulan, and we are passionate, but we do not have to eschew the academic discipline of Logic in order to remain free and true to ourselves, nor do we have to repress our passions in order to be logical; there does have to be a recognition that passion can cloud the reason, however. We are a passionate people. That does not require us to be unreasonable.
arh'Lleiset mnhei'sahe mnei. For these to be more than mere words, we must walk the walk as well as talk the talk.
While I have not posted in this thread until now, I have followed this topic and every update. For the record, I use the I.R.W. prefix whenever possible, to the extent of mothballing my D'Deridex-skinned T6 Fleet D'Khellra-class in favour of my old T5U Fleet D'Deridex Retrofit whilst Cryptic's position is determined one way or another.
Much like how my (L60 - I refuse to call him an Admiral!) Commander wears an Imperial Romulan uniform, which surely goes against the Republican Navy unform code, I prefer to 'dress' my Warbird in a matching prefix. I RP as a relic of that Imperial past, but the reasonings of wanting this prefix will differ from player to player.))
As for the oft-trotted judgement that those who follow the Imperial methodology are mind-controlled puppets or evil incarnate, I will admit... I grind my teeth at what has befallen my once feared Star Empire. Say what you must about the previous regime (and I acknowledge that you are now able to do so without fear of reprisal) but while I was no fan of the Tal Shiar or their increasingly maniacal ways, I believed in the Star Empire and our celestial right to rule D'era. Regardless of the manner of our lament in which has befallen us, we are now a mere shadow of ourselves, allegiances split asunder between two remaining power blocs of the Klingon Empire and Federation, vying amongst ourselves for whoever provides the more palatable scraps from their respective tables.
So take care in the tone you take when speaking of the old ways - there are some of us that willingly strived to make the Star Empire the force it became known to be. Not as genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Empire.
While I have not posted in this thread until now, I have followed this topic and every update. For the record, I use the I.R.W. prefix whenever possible, to the extent of mothballing my D'Deridex-skinned T6 Fleet D'Khellra-class in favour of my old T5U Fleet D'Deridex Retrofit whilst Cryptic's position is determined one way or another.
Much like how my (L60 - I refuse to call him an Admiral!) Commander wears an Imperial Romulan uniform, which surely goes against the Republican Navy unform code, I prefer to 'dress' my Warbird in a matching prefix. I RP as a relic of that Imperial past, but the reasonings of wanting this prefix will differ from player to player.))
As for the oft-trotted judgement that those who follow the Imperial methodology are mind-controlled puppets or evil incarnate, I will admit... I grind my teeth at what has befallen my once feared Star Empire. Say what you must about the previous regime (and I acknowledge that you are now able to do so without fear of reprisal) but while I was no fan of the Tal Shiar or their increasingly maniacal ways, I believed in the Star Empire and our celestial right to rule D'era. Regardless of the manner of our lament in which has befallen us, we are now a mere shadow of ourselves, allegiances split asunder between two remaining power blocs of the Klingon Empire and Federation, vying amongst ourselves for whoever provides the more palatable scraps from their respective tables.
So take care in the tone you take when speaking of the old ways - there are some of us that willingly strived to make the Star Empire the force it became known to be. Not as genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Empire.
I have no desire to derail this thread, but I will point out that 1. my main was a Riov in the Romulan Imperial Star Navy over an hundred and forty years prior to the attack on Virinat in 2409, 2. she continued to be involved in the military and government of the Star Empire for a considerable period after that before she helped to establish the Republic prior to the aforementioned attack, 3. the Way of D'Era is but one of many religions, sacred traditions, and philosophies within Romulan and Reman society, 4. the "old ways" were abandoned by the imperial government before Shinzon's rebellion, and 5. paranoia, xenophobia, arrogance, and blind obedience to the state were innovations, and not the "old ways."
The Way of D'Era was established by Tellus after the rise of Surak's teachings, and before the Sundering. Tellus was a warlord; his followers were known as the Children of Ket-Cheleb (Ket-Cheleb was the Vulcan god of war).
Other attested religions and sacred traditions among the Romulan and Reman people include "the Mother's Weavers" as well as a sect who worshipped the Preservers as gods, and even followers of Surak's philosophy (as philosophy, rather than the religion which the Vulcan establishment made of it).
If you would like to discuss this further, feel free to start a thread for the purpose.
While I have not posted in this thread until now, I have followed this topic and every update. For the record, I use the I.R.W. prefix whenever possible, to the extent of mothballing my D'Deridex-skinned T6 Fleet D'Khellra-class in favour of my old T5U Fleet D'Deridex Retrofit whilst Cryptic's position is determined one way or another.
Much like how my (L60 - I refuse to call him an Admiral!) Commander wears an Imperial Romulan uniform, which surely goes against the Republican Navy unform code, I prefer to 'dress' my Warbird in a matching prefix. I RP as a relic of that Imperial past, but the reasonings of wanting this prefix will differ from player to player.))
As for the oft-trotted judgement that those who follow the Imperial methodology are mind-controlled puppets or evil incarnate, I will admit... I grind my teeth at what has befallen my once feared Star Empire. Say what you must about the previous regime (and I acknowledge that you are now able to do so without fear of reprisal) but while I was no fan of the Tal Shiar or their increasingly maniacal ways, I believed in the Star Empire and our celestial right to rule D'era. Regardless of the manner of our lament in which has befallen us, we are now a mere shadow of ourselves, allegiances split asunder between two remaining power blocs of the Klingon Empire and Federation, vying amongst ourselves for whoever provides the more palatable scraps from their respective tables.
So take care in the tone you take when speaking of the old ways - there are some of us that willingly strived to make the Star Empire the force it became known to be. Not as genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Empire.
I find it interesting that you, in the name of the Republic, are taking the role of the very Empire you debase - the agressor, the tyrant, the oppressor of views that are not your own. Crushing what "is left of Imperial territory".
I find it interesting that you, in the name of the Republic, are taking the role of the very Empire you debase - the agressor, the tyrant, the oppressor of views that are not your own. Crushing what "is left of Imperial territory".
The Tal Shiar would be proud.
On the contrary, black is not white, ignorance is not bliss, freedom is not slavery, night is not day. The Star Empire is the continuing aggressor, which has yet to stop attacking Republic territory, and has yet to accept the Republic as independent. If the Star Empire would recognize the right to self-determination and stop assaulting Republic worlds and forces, things could be different, but those things have not happened.
And you should re-read my first post on the previous page. While you seem to have read it cursorily, you evidently were confused, or not paying sufficient attention. Witness:
As for the oft-trotted judgement that those who follow the Imperial methodology are mind-controlled puppets or evil incarnate, I will admit... I grind my teeth at what has befallen my once feared Star Empire. Say what you must about the previous regime (and I acknowledge that you are now able to do so without fear of reprisal) but while I was no fan of the Tal Shiar or their increasingly maniacal ways, I believed in the Star Empire and our celestial right to rule D'era. Regardless of the manner of our lament in which has befallen us, we are now a mere shadow of ourselves, allegiances split asunder between two remaining power blocs of the Klingon Empire and Federation, vying amongst ourselves for whoever provides the more palatable scraps from their respective tables.
So take care in the tone you take when speaking of the old ways - there are some of us that willingly strived to make the Star Empire the force it became known to be. Not as genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Empire.
Be that as it may, the Tal'Shiar is not the entirety of the RSE, no matter how they have sought to dominate the latter. I frankly give those who continue to cling to the rotting corpse of the RSE little credit, either, but at least most of them were not subjected to Tal'Shiar mind control devices and conditioning, so
Red and bold added for emphasis.
As for other contentions you made, I was always able to speak my mind without fear of (much) reprisal, being of a rather prestigious noble Houseclan and being niece to an Emperor and niece to an Empress. My supposed nobility did not protect me when I dared to be faithful to the inculcation to intestinal fortitude enjoined upon our cadets in the academies at one time, and oppose an unjust order with violence, since reason was lacking in the insane person who gave the order. Nevertheless, the Star Empire at that time had not yet descended into the cesspool of later years, and I was vindicated.
The claim that Romulans are destined to rule the stars is found only in the teachings of the Way of D'Era, and the claim is exactly what one would expect from a religion founded by a warlord and devoted to a war god. The Way of D'Era is by no means the only sect in Romulan and Reman society, and therefore, appealing to the claims of that religion as if they be some sort of universal belief of our peoples is somewhat ... shortsighted.
The Republic's allegiances are not split; the Republic has an alliance with both the Federation and the Klingons, and is responsible for the cease-fire between those two powers agreed upon at the Jenolan Accords. The Republic is also responsible for the Delta Alliance between all three powers and native Delta Quadrant allies. Rather than fight each other for supposed scraps from the Klingon and Federation tables, we are allies with both, we do not fight each other, and we have produced some of the most powerful vessels currently in operation. This old propaganda has been shown to be propaganda and an intentional mischaracterization of the situation several times over the past year and a half or so. It was not necessary or helpful to repeat it again in the context of this discussion.
I was gracious, although I pulled no punches in my assessment of the majority of the continuing supporters of the Star Empire as rather dim (or shortsighted, if you prefer). Your reply has only borne this out. My overtures of peaceful coexistence were seized upon as an opportunity to spout more nonsense and even some thinly-veiled, but largely toothless, threats. Evidently, you have not yet learned the lesson you need to learn, so I'm arming my Science Command Warbird to come go over the coursework again.
Or, in other words, ... take care in the tone you use when speaking of the actual old ways, the love of freedom and self-determination which actuated our ancestors to leave Vulcan and become Romulans and Remans - there are some of us that willingly strove to make the Star Empire into the force it became known as, before you were even born, and we saw it deteriorate into something detestable and obscene. We did not make it what it became in order to facilitate genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but what we built was built by us as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Star Empire and its people, even against their own government at times. And when the system became incorrigibly corrupt, we chose, just as our ancestors who left Vulcan to go their own way, to leave the Star Empire and go our own way. Had the Star Empire left us alone to do that, and had they not endorsed the unprovoked attacks on the innocents of loyal colonies of the Star Empire, things would have been different. We did not start this civil war. The Star Empire did. And the Star Empire has continued it, even in the face of obvious imminent defeat. These are not the acts of rational persons, unless they be rather stupid. So decide whether your beloved Star Empire (which has not been worthy of the name "Romulan" since at least the time of Shinzon) be stupid or insane -- or realize that the time for change has come, and effect that change within the Star Empire, to make it again worthy of the name "Romulan," but do not cross us or make further attempts to resubjugate us. We were never subjugated to begin with, and we will happily die free before we kiss the boots of the half-witted halfbreed Pretender Sila.
I find it interesting that you, in the name of the Republic, are taking the role of the very Empire you debase - the agressor, the tyrant, the oppressor of views that are not your own. Crushing what "is left of Imperial territory".
The Tal Shiar would be proud.
*Stands up* I do hope you will excuse me for a moment. The thought of the side that razed independent colonies to the ground for disloyalty, the side that massacred innocent farmers, that turned over its own people to be compost for the Elachi, having the unmitigated gall to apply the terms aggressor, tyrant, and oppressor to their former victims is causing the onset of a giggle fit.
*Makes old person face* Back in my day, only one person got to be Elachi compost, and we were glad to have that much! You whippersnappers and your all inclusive spore gardens!
I find it interesting that you, in the name of the Republic, are taking the role of the very Empire you debase - the agressor, the tyrant, the oppressor of views that are not your own. Crushing what "is left of Imperial territory".
The Tal Shiar would be proud.
Yep, this always amuses me. Elements forbid the Republic stand up and defend itself against a hostile power that has - very openly - threatened our very existence. Whether it's raiding and ransacking independent colonies, or subjecting our own sisters and brothers to one or more of a) Elachi biochemical processes, b) Borg 'adaptation' testing, or c) mental restructuring and subjugation, I'm pretty sure the Republic has plenty of cause to stand its ground in the defensive.
Until the assault from the Imperial Remnant and/or Tal'Shiar ceases, the Republic will continue to fight for our independence.
Quite frankly the IRW prefix should never have been available in the first place.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Given the story direction Cryptic chose to take... yes, I agree.
However, it *is* available beyond the Tal Shiar ships, so it makes little sense to arbitrarily restrict certain ships from it.
I doubt they will take it away, now that it's been given. But they shouldn't have even given it to the Intel ships in the first place. If they intend to stretch out the inter-Romulan conflict, they should have made a second Tal Shiar lockbox, or something like that.
I also continue to support prefix customization for all STO customers generally and Romulan characters in particular. I have a digital paperweight worth $30 just sitting in my inventory. It is in the form of a T6 fleet D'Deridex warbird. I would love to arm this ship and use it, but I'm afraid it's out of commission and a waste of money until I can get the prefix customization.
Help me spend money in the C-Store, cryptic. Open prefix customization today!
Evidently, you have not yet learned the lesson you need to learn, so I'm arming my Science Command Warbird to come go over the coursework again.
Your soft Republican Science Command Warbird is welcome to test its mettle against the famously-feared symbol of Romulan might and a crew strong in their convictions.
((Not sure how you feel about PvP - I'm not a big PvPer myself but I've been known to dabble - but if you want to go toe-to-toe in a battle of ideology, drop me a PM and we can discuss arrangements ))
I also continue to support prefix customization for all STO customers generally and Romulan characters in particular. I have a digital paperweight worth $30 just sitting in my inventory. It is in the form of a T6 fleet D'Deridex warbird. I would love to arm this ship and use it, but I'm afraid it's out of commission and a waste of money until I can get the prefix customization.
Help me spend money in the C-Store, cryptic. Open prefix customization today!
Well, who's fault is it that its a $30 paperweight? Cryptic, who made and sold it? Or the person who bought it and refuses to use it out of a mulish need for everything to be exactly how he wants it?
It's not too much to ask for an 'upgraded' D'deridex to have the features that every other D'deridex version has.
No, that's all of Cryptic.
Nor is it unreasonable for people who bought to be disappointing if it lacks such a basic feature of Romulan Warbirds. Particularly since it's a blatant cashgrab at D'deridex fans-who in all likelihood already bought the T5u/T5u Fleet variant.
Somehow I imagine if the tables were reversed and it came without a RRW prefix, many of the people defending this omission would be up in arms.
Particularly since it's a blatant cashgrab at D'deridex fans-who in all likelihood already bought the T5u/T5u Fleet variant.
It's not a "blatant cashgrab." The fora have been filled with with a ton of threads about making T6 variants of just about every ship currently available in the game. The demand's there, from many players. But nothing's forcing you to buy it.
Beside, the T5 / T5-U variants are still just as good as the D'khellra. All the D'khellra offers is a new skin and module. This whole T6-is-king thought has to stop.
It's not a "blatant cashgrab." The fora have been filled with with a ton of threads about making T6 variants of just about every ship currently available in the game. The demand's there, from many players. But nothing's forcing you to buy it.
$30 for a slight upgrade. Seems to me like a cashgrab.
Beside, the T5 / T5-U variants are still just as good as the D'khellra. All the D'khellra offers is a new skin and module. This whole T6-is-king thought has to stop.
Have you 'forgotten' that T6 ships get better Bridge officer seating? T5u Fleet has an ensign Universal slot, while the T6 Fleet has a lieutenant Universal Slot. That, combined with the specialist seatign gives them a pretty hefty degree of versatility over T5u ships. T6 is better than T5u, flat out.
Well... yeah. It's a Republic warbird. It'd be silly if it didn't come with the Republic prefix.
Your logic train has derailed.
The D'khellra is a Republic warbird. There are also other Republic warbirds that can use the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, on the other hand, is used by both. So of course that would be ludicrous. Ludicrous like insisting that an Imperial Warbrid not be able to use an imperial prefix.
Have you 'forgotten' that T6 ships get better Bridge officer seating? T5u Fleet has an ensign Universal slot, while the T6 Fleet has a lieutenant Universal Slot. That, combined with the specialist seatign gives them a pretty hefty degree of versatility over T5u ships. T6 is better than T5u, flat out.
The extra boff slot is probably the biggest bonus. But in all honestly it seems you're another player who's up in arms because you fell for the forum-overreaction about T5-U ships being made obsolete by a T6.
The D'khellra is a Republic warbird. There are also other Republic warbirds that can use the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, on the other hand, is used by both. So of course that would be ludicrous. Ludicrous like insisting that an Imperial Warbrid not be able to use an imperial prefix.
I agree - an Imperial warbird should be able to use IRW. The new D'khellra (which even with the D'D skin is still a D'khellra) isn't an Imperial warbird.
Warbirds like the Dhelan, Mogai, and so on are Imperial designs, and many were brought over with their commanders and crew who defected from the RSE and Tal'Shiar. But it makes sense that those have IRW options because they're Imperial designs. The D'khellra, however, is not an Imperial design.
The RSE is barely able to support itself at this point, let alone design new warbirds. The new craft are made by the Republic. If you want the new warbirds, you need to join the Romulan state that is actually progressing itself.
The D'khellra is a Republic warbird. There are also other Republic warbirds that can use the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, on the other hand, is used by both. So of course that would be ludicrous. Ludicrous like insisting that an Imperial Warbrid not be able to use an imperial prefix.
That's it. Only two of them have the IRW. The T6 Intel Birds. the first made. Its still up in hte air as to whether this was a mistake or not, as the devs are silent on it. And the point is that it's NOT an Imperial Warbird. Its a Republic warbird based of the older design. Its like claiming that a Canadian variant on hte Leopard Tank should have German markings available because the original design is German.
guys... seriously... even protogoth has said 'let people have the IRW' when SHE is willing to concede on it, why cant we all just say 'let it be done' and move on?
guys... seriously... even protogoth has said 'let people have the IRW' when SHE is willing to concede on it, why cant we all just say 'let it be done' and move on?
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I see. I've heard of that, now that I think about it. And I would actually prefer as Romulan uniforms something more utilitarian. THe Republic isn't flush with funds like the Feds, nor does it have the desire to have all the bits of metal and leather that hte Kolingons have. I would like hte Republic uniforms more without the padded collars and such.
ALso...1) They aren't parkas (No hoods or fur lining) so i'm not sure what you are getting at there, and 2) Which short skirts?
I did read, and understand your point. Let me try to put mine in a better way. Claiming in-game lore reasons for only certain sections of warbirds doesn't make sense, since by in-game lore the Republic wouldn't be tolerant of it's fleet flying around with I.R.W. prefixes.
Since you're ok with seeing I.R.W. anyway, what harm comes from it appearing in a few more places if it makes other Romulans happy? Why oppose something that pleases all of us who enjoy being Romulan in our own way, since clearly you do enjoy being Romulan as I do.
That being said, dropping the game purely for this reason is a bit mulish radaik
Thirdly, sadly I think the default Romulan jackets suck as uniforms, the KDF-aligned ones are the best ones to me, not to mention the free Tal Shiar ones we get. I also enjoy the 23rd century uniform
OT: I'm glad Trendy is looking into it, thanks alot astro
((Most of this is in-character, and I would prefer that it were all in-character, but because of the nature of the discussion, I will of necessity have to make some out-of-character comments. Most of those will not be indicated as such, because they are too closely interwoven with the IC stuff, but some (besides this prefatory disclaimer) will be clearly marked off as OOC in the same way that this introductiory bit is, by means of being enclosed in double parentheses. My character would not realistically make many of these comments, because they have to do with game mechanics, player options, and meta-RP matters, and are thus outside storyline, but I like to think that the attitude in which the in-character comments I make here would be her attitude, and since I am she, and she is I, in some sense, then I can say with something close to certainty that she would indeed have this attitude.))
I believe my reputation as a staunch supporter of the New Romulan Republic and tenacious foe of the Tal'Shiar and the decaying refuse into which the Star Empire devolved is rather well-established. *looks around, an inquisitive yet challenging look on her face* Yes? Good. With that out of the way, let me see if I can offer a solution which will satisfy all. And don't you dare even so much as consider the slightest chance that my stance has softened. It has not. I despise the Tal'Shiar for what they did to my first husband and his memory. I hate what the Star Empire turned into after his assassination. I detest Sila as an incompetent and insane fool, who has never successfully done aught but save her own rear (and even that not always very well). I loathe the Tal'Shiar for what they did to BILLIONS of our people and our homes. I revile the Tal'Shiar for their responsibility for the act that led to my lover being lost and for years of not knowing whether my daughter were alive or dead. I abhor the Tal'Shiar for what they did to Virinat and Crateris and Rhi and other colonies and their people, my family and friends, my adopted daughter and her family, the families of my friends, and all the others. I WILL kill Sila the first chance I get, as an escaped prisoner and for failure to discharge command responsibility, at the very least.
HOWEVER.
I have in my personal squadron a Tal'Shiar Adapted Destroyer and a Tal'Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser. The first is designated the "R.R.W. Hvei'khenn," and the second is the "R.R.W. Kheh'irho." I captured these vessels, as well as several others (Hirogen Hunter Heavy Escort, the "R.R.W. Khellian," Breen Sarr Theln Carrier, the "R.R.W. ra'Khoi Lliashkh," Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, the "R.R.W. ra'Vauthil," Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, the "R.R.W. Roselae ih'Temar," and assorted others, of which only one retains the original registry, that being one of the Mirror Universe warbirds I captured, with every other captured vessel proudly re-registered as "R.R.W."). To quote S'chin T'gai Spahkh, If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Frankly, it is impossible for the RSE (or the Tal'Shiar, for those who have bought into the claim that the two are no longer on friendly terms) to design or construct a T6 warbird on their own. It is impossible for the Tal'Shiar to steal a T6 warbird (much less six), or plans for one, from the Republic. They have demonstrated -- repeatedly -- that they can do nothing right. There is a term common in the military for such schlemiels, but it cannot be reproduced here, alas, due to some persons' inability to examine the sources of their supposed morals.
Be that as it may, the Tal'Shiar is not the entirety of the RSE, no matter how they have sought to dominate the latter. I frankly give those who continue to cling to the rotting corpse of the RSE little credit, either, but at least most of them were not subjected to Tal'Shiar mind control devices and conditioning, so there may be an enterprising commando or 12 with some capability to do something other than TRIBBLE up. It is also entirely possible that someone managed to trick their way into a position of trust within the Republic's civilian government (which has demonstrated by its bungled handling of a high profile prisoner that it may be at times too trusting) and absconded with a blueprint for the advanced specs of a T6 warbird or three. Gaius Selan is also not the only liberated Bhorgha in the RRF or the Republic. If so great a bungler as Sila could manage to hack his implants in order to effect an escape, someone less incompetent, like, say, Janek, might have managed to hack the implants of another Bhorgha inside the Republic and exploited that person and his or her implants to steal plans. It is also not impossible, however improbable it may be, that an RRF officer or scientist might defect to the enemy with such plans, if the enticement for doing so were sweet enough. Even Romulans know greed and lust for power (this is surely a tautology, yes?).
The fact is, some things are indeed unrealistic, and must therefore be eliminated as impossible. Elimination of the impossible leaves something, or some things, behind. Those are not impossible. Some of them are implausible, but not impossible. Since there be more than one remaining option, which is not impossible, further definition is not possible for the analyst without additional evidence. Thus, any or all of those remaining possibilities could be the truth.
((I dislike the D'deridex immensely. I have many reasons for this dislike, but one of them is the fact that it is so very strongly associated with what I view as a perversion of Romulanity from the original intent and portrayal in TOS, beginning with TNG. To me, as to many others of varying persuasions on the question of our still-raging civil war, the D'deridex is one of the most distinctive symbols of the Romulan Star Empire in what I view as the decline of that polity. I can see absolutely no reason to oppose the display of "I.R.W." on a warbird with such an association. In fact, although I do indeed agree that ALL T6 WARBIRDS ARE DESIGNED AND BUILT BY THE NEW ROMULAN REPUBLIC, nevertheless, if ANY warbird OUGHT to have "I.R.W.," it's a D'deridex, regardless of tier. If Cryptic could even just limit the use of that registry to the D'khellra WHEN IT USES THE D'DERIDEX MESH/SKIN, that would be entirely satisfactory to me, but I doubt they will go to that much trouble.
We all know that, in the game storyline itself, the RSE is now almost gone, no longer a major power, hardly a threat, but even so, they can still offer a challenge on occasion. Most of us who RP do not PvP much if at all. I have in the past, and I will again, but my memories of PvP in STO are rather ... conflicted, due to the person I used to go to Ker'rat with no longer being what he once was to me (but the less said about that, the better). The only issue I can see as an objection to this request apart from "No, the Republic made these," is "You are from a nearly defeated power, with dwindling resources, fighting a rereward battle against almost every other power around you, and so you should not have an equal ship in which to PvP." First, if they don't have an equal ship, where's the satisfaction in battling them in Ker'rat or the Briar Patch or wherever? If there's no challenge, what have you accomplished? Second, PvP and RP are not coterminous, and the Imperialists do have to do PvE like everyone else, no matter how politically ... silly ... they are, even if they want to PvP.))
Am I, like, ecstatic about the idea of Imperialists having T6 ships? By no means.
Do they offer logically possible explanations for how they might have such a ship (T6)? In some cases, absolutely not! In some cases, yes, absolutely, they have given possibilities which are not unrealistic. Is there precedent for Star Empire supporters to fly a ship of that appearance? Uh. Yeah. Like, almost exclusively. ((I say "almost" only because some of us in STO were foolish enough to try to use the flying brick earlier in our careers.)) To my mind, ships of that appearance are almost synonymous with the Star Empire.
((Is there any fair reason to deny other players, no matter our philosophical differences, the ability to compete at "endgame"? No, and I don't believe anyone would say that (even a staunch opponent of the RSE like myself). The issue here is whether or not such a ship should be able to use the "I.R.W." prefix. The objections are twofold: 1. all T6 ships are Republic-designed, Republic-constructed, and Republic-commissioned. 2. the prefix is not currently available to the D'khellra. In response to these objections, I will state: 1. whether it be intended or not (and I think I remember seeing somewhere that it was not, but I'm not invested enough in placing limits on other players to bother with looking for it), a precedent does exist, in that there are already T6 warbirds which can be given the prefix in question, and 2. a dedicated Romulan carrier is not currently available, but we still ask for that, among several other things which are not currently available. And, finally, as others here have said, 3. it does no harm, it encourages C-store purchases, and thus helps keep the game profitable for those with the pockets which hunger for more filling.))
I ask my fellow Republic loyalists to consider what I have here stated, and the quotes I have included above. This is not an order to my subordinate officers in the Tal'Diann. This is a request. Step back, turn the passion down a bit (I know, we are Romulan, and we are passionate, but we do not have to eschew the academic discipline of Logic in order to remain free and true to ourselves, nor do we have to repress our passions in order to be logical; there does have to be a recognition that passion can cloud the reason, however. We are a passionate people. That does not require us to be unreasonable.
arh'Lleiset mnhei'sahe mnei. For these to be more than mere words, we must walk the walk as well as talk the talk.
While I have not posted in this thread until now, I have followed this topic and every update. For the record, I use the I.R.W. prefix whenever possible, to the extent of mothballing my D'Deridex-skinned T6 Fleet D'Khellra-class in favour of my old T5U Fleet D'Deridex Retrofit whilst Cryptic's position is determined one way or another.
Much like how my (L60 - I refuse to call him an Admiral!) Commander wears an Imperial Romulan uniform, which surely goes against the Republican Navy unform code, I prefer to 'dress' my Warbird in a matching prefix. I RP as a relic of that Imperial past, but the reasonings of wanting this prefix will differ from player to player.))
As for the oft-trotted judgement that those who follow the Imperial methodology are mind-controlled puppets or evil incarnate, I will admit... I grind my teeth at what has befallen my once feared Star Empire. Say what you must about the previous regime (and I acknowledge that you are now able to do so without fear of reprisal) but while I was no fan of the Tal Shiar or their increasingly maniacal ways, I believed in the Star Empire and our celestial right to rule D'era. Regardless of the manner of our lament in which has befallen us, we are now a mere shadow of ourselves, allegiances split asunder between two remaining power blocs of the Klingon Empire and Federation, vying amongst ourselves for whoever provides the more palatable scraps from their respective tables.
So take care in the tone you take when speaking of the old ways - there are some of us that willingly strived to make the Star Empire the force it became known to be. Not as genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Empire.
I have no desire to derail this thread, but I will point out that 1. my main was a Riov in the Romulan Imperial Star Navy over an hundred and forty years prior to the attack on Virinat in 2409, 2. she continued to be involved in the military and government of the Star Empire for a considerable period after that before she helped to establish the Republic prior to the aforementioned attack, 3. the Way of D'Era is but one of many religions, sacred traditions, and philosophies within Romulan and Reman society, 4. the "old ways" were abandoned by the imperial government before Shinzon's rebellion, and 5. paranoia, xenophobia, arrogance, and blind obedience to the state were innovations, and not the "old ways."
The Way of D'Era was established by Tellus after the rise of Surak's teachings, and before the Sundering. Tellus was a warlord; his followers were known as the Children of Ket-Cheleb (Ket-Cheleb was the Vulcan god of war).
Other attested religions and sacred traditions among the Romulan and Reman people include "the Mother's Weavers" as well as a sect who worshipped the Preservers as gods, and even followers of Surak's philosophy (as philosophy, rather than the religion which the Vulcan establishment made of it).
If you would like to discuss this further, feel free to start a thread for the purpose.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Yeah. Long live the Romulan Star Empire.
*sigh* Oh, well. *orders the torpedo tubes loaded and readied for another run on what's left of imperial territory*
The Tal Shiar would be proud.
On the contrary, black is not white, ignorance is not bliss, freedom is not slavery, night is not day. The Star Empire is the continuing aggressor, which has yet to stop attacking Republic territory, and has yet to accept the Republic as independent. If the Star Empire would recognize the right to self-determination and stop assaulting Republic worlds and forces, things could be different, but those things have not happened.
And you should re-read my first post on the previous page. While you seem to have read it cursorily, you evidently were confused, or not paying sufficient attention. Witness:
Red and bold added for emphasis.
Red and bold added for emphasis.
As for other contentions you made, I was always able to speak my mind without fear of (much) reprisal, being of a rather prestigious noble Houseclan and being niece to an Emperor and niece to an Empress. My supposed nobility did not protect me when I dared to be faithful to the inculcation to intestinal fortitude enjoined upon our cadets in the academies at one time, and oppose an unjust order with violence, since reason was lacking in the insane person who gave the order. Nevertheless, the Star Empire at that time had not yet descended into the cesspool of later years, and I was vindicated.
The claim that Romulans are destined to rule the stars is found only in the teachings of the Way of D'Era, and the claim is exactly what one would expect from a religion founded by a warlord and devoted to a war god. The Way of D'Era is by no means the only sect in Romulan and Reman society, and therefore, appealing to the claims of that religion as if they be some sort of universal belief of our peoples is somewhat ... shortsighted.
The Republic's allegiances are not split; the Republic has an alliance with both the Federation and the Klingons, and is responsible for the cease-fire between those two powers agreed upon at the Jenolan Accords. The Republic is also responsible for the Delta Alliance between all three powers and native Delta Quadrant allies. Rather than fight each other for supposed scraps from the Klingon and Federation tables, we are allies with both, we do not fight each other, and we have produced some of the most powerful vessels currently in operation. This old propaganda has been shown to be propaganda and an intentional mischaracterization of the situation several times over the past year and a half or so. It was not necessary or helpful to repeat it again in the context of this discussion.
I was gracious, although I pulled no punches in my assessment of the majority of the continuing supporters of the Star Empire as rather dim (or shortsighted, if you prefer). Your reply has only borne this out. My overtures of peaceful coexistence were seized upon as an opportunity to spout more nonsense and even some thinly-veiled, but largely toothless, threats. Evidently, you have not yet learned the lesson you need to learn, so I'm arming my Science Command Warbird to come go over the coursework again.
Or, in other words, ... take care in the tone you use when speaking of the actual old ways, the love of freedom and self-determination which actuated our ancestors to leave Vulcan and become Romulans and Remans - there are some of us that willingly strove to make the Star Empire into the force it became known as, before you were even born, and we saw it deteriorate into something detestable and obscene. We did not make it what it became in order to facilitate genocidal maniacs, such as Shinzon or Hakeev, but what we built was built by us as professional Commanders of the Star Navy and defenders of the Star Empire and its people, even against their own government at times. And when the system became incorrigibly corrupt, we chose, just as our ancestors who left Vulcan to go their own way, to leave the Star Empire and go our own way. Had the Star Empire left us alone to do that, and had they not endorsed the unprovoked attacks on the innocents of loyal colonies of the Star Empire, things would have been different. We did not start this civil war. The Star Empire did. And the Star Empire has continued it, even in the face of obvious imminent defeat. These are not the acts of rational persons, unless they be rather stupid. So decide whether your beloved Star Empire (which has not been worthy of the name "Romulan" since at least the time of Shinzon) be stupid or insane -- or realize that the time for change has come, and effect that change within the Star Empire, to make it again worthy of the name "Romulan," but do not cross us or make further attempts to resubjugate us. We were never subjugated to begin with, and we will happily die free before we kiss the boots of the half-witted halfbreed Pretender Sila.
*Stands up* I do hope you will excuse me for a moment. The thought of the side that razed independent colonies to the ground for disloyalty, the side that massacred innocent farmers, that turned over its own people to be compost for the Elachi, having the unmitigated gall to apply the terms aggressor, tyrant, and oppressor to their former victims is causing the onset of a giggle fit.
If Colonel Hakeev grinds you up into Elachi mulch and murders your family, you say THANK YOU, and Long Live the RSE!
*Makes old person face* Back in my day, only one person got to be Elachi compost, and we were glad to have that much! You whippersnappers and your all inclusive spore gardens!
Yep, this always amuses me. Elements forbid the Republic stand up and defend itself against a hostile power that has - very openly - threatened our very existence. Whether it's raiding and ransacking independent colonies, or subjecting our own sisters and brothers to one or more of a) Elachi biochemical processes, b) Borg 'adaptation' testing, or c) mental restructuring and subjugation, I'm pretty sure the Republic has plenty of cause to stand its ground in the defensive.
Until the assault from the Imperial Remnant and/or Tal'Shiar ceases, the Republic will continue to fight for our independence.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Given the story direction Cryptic chose to take... yes, I agree.
However, it *is* available beyond the Tal Shiar ships, so it makes little sense to arbitrarily restrict certain ships from it.
I doubt they will take it away, now that it's been given. But they shouldn't have even given it to the Intel ships in the first place. If they intend to stretch out the inter-Romulan conflict, they should have made a second Tal Shiar lockbox, or something like that.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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Help me spend money in the C-Store, cryptic. Open prefix customization today!
Your soft Republican Science Command Warbird is welcome to test its mettle against the famously-feared symbol of Romulan might and a crew strong in their convictions.
((Not sure how you feel about PvP - I'm not a big PvPer myself but I've been known to dabble - but if you want to go toe-to-toe in a battle of ideology, drop me a PM and we can discuss arrangements
Well, who's fault is it that its a $30 paperweight? Cryptic, who made and sold it? Or the person who bought it and refuses to use it out of a mulish need for everything to be exactly how he wants it?
No, that's all of Cryptic.
Nor is it unreasonable for people who bought to be disappointing if it lacks such a basic feature of Romulan Warbirds. Particularly since it's a blatant cashgrab at D'deridex fans-who in all likelihood already bought the T5u/T5u Fleet variant.
Somehow I imagine if the tables were reversed and it came without a RRW prefix, many of the people defending this omission would be up in arms.
It lacks the feature that an Imperial warbird would have. I didn't expect it to have IRW just by reading the description.
It's not a "blatant cashgrab." The fora have been filled with with a ton of threads about making T6 variants of just about every ship currently available in the game. The demand's there, from many players. But nothing's forcing you to buy it.
Beside, the T5 / T5-U variants are still just as good as the D'khellra. All the D'khellra offers is a new skin and module. This whole T6-is-king thought has to stop.
Well... yeah. It's a Republic warbird. It'd be silly if it didn't come with the Republic prefix.
Your logic train has derailed.
Right, the iconic ship of the Romulan Star Empire....who could have guessed :rolleyes:
$30 for a slight upgrade. Seems to me like a cashgrab.
Have you 'forgotten' that T6 ships get better Bridge officer seating? T5u Fleet has an ensign Universal slot, while the T6 Fleet has a lieutenant Universal Slot. That, combined with the specialist seatign gives them a pretty hefty degree of versatility over T5u ships. T6 is better than T5u, flat out.
The D'khellra is a Republic warbird. There are also other Republic warbirds that can use the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, on the other hand, is used by both. So of course that would be ludicrous. Ludicrous like insisting that an Imperial Warbrid not be able to use an imperial prefix.
This is the Republic model.
The extra boff slot is probably the biggest bonus. But in all honestly it seems you're another player who's up in arms because you fell for the forum-overreaction about T5-U ships being made obsolete by a T6.
I agree - an Imperial warbird should be able to use IRW. The new D'khellra (which even with the D'D skin is still a D'khellra) isn't an Imperial warbird.
Warbirds like the Dhelan, Mogai, and so on are Imperial designs, and many were brought over with their commanders and crew who defected from the RSE and Tal'Shiar. But it makes sense that those have IRW options because they're Imperial designs. The D'khellra, however, is not an Imperial design.
The RSE is barely able to support itself at this point, let alone design new warbirds. The new craft are made by the Republic. If you want the new warbirds, you need to join the Romulan state that is actually progressing itself.
That's it. Only two of them have the IRW. The T6 Intel Birds. the first made. Its still up in hte air as to whether this was a mistake or not, as the devs are silent on it. And the point is that it's NOT an Imperial Warbird. Its a Republic warbird based of the older design. Its like claiming that a Canadian variant on hte Leopard Tank should have German markings available because the original design is German.
There's an XKCD for everything.
Also, IRW prefix for the T6 D'Deridex or I will shoot this caracal.