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Bring the I.R.W. prefix to the T6 D'deridex!!!!
mhall85
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FELLOW ROMULAN BROTHERS & SISTERS!!!!
Are you tired of not having the IRW prefix as a choice for your T6 D'deridex? Are you slighted by the withholding of something that is rightfully ours?!
Then POST HERE!!!!
Seriously, it's a bug. Yes, a minor one, but it should be there. Post in the linked thread, and bring the IRW prefix back to the D'deridex!!!
(And, hey... no need to flame, if you don't care.
The RRW prefix is there for you, and you'll never know a difference. This is for the players who care about this!)
Are you tired of not having the IRW prefix as a choice for your T6 D'deridex? Are you slighted by the withholding of something that is rightfully ours?!
Then POST HERE!!!!
Seriously, it's a bug. Yes, a minor one, but it should be there. Post in the linked thread, and bring the IRW prefix back to the D'deridex!!!
(And, hey... no need to flame, if you don't care.
The RRW prefix is there for you, and you'll never know a difference. This is for the players who care about this!) 
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The Republic is the only Romulan faction with enough resources to design and build new ships. And it wouldn't make sense for new ships coming out the Republic fleetyards to have the IRW prefix as an option - where this does exist, it should probably be fixed to remove IRW.
That's your opinion.
However, enough players seem to want it, it's a small enough thing for people like you to ignore... and the T6 Intel ships ("designed for the Republic") have access to it, so there's no reason why the other T6 ships shouldn't have it.
RP issues aside, why do you care what I do with my ship? Or others, for that matter?
Live and let live.
That said, seeing as the Tal'Shiar and RSE are still around, it wouldn't be such a bad thing to release a T6 variant of one of their ships, or a new design altogether.
But yeah, Republic ships are Republic ships.
And I get the point... but, I'm coming at this from a different angle. I can see the logic (sort of) of Republic-only ships getting just R.R.W. prefixes (coming from THAT angle, it shouldn't be in the game at all, short of the two Tal Shiar ships). The Command BCs are a good example of this.
However, I'm taking the more pragmatic angle: this function has been in the game since the Romulan faction launched, and since the T6 Intel ships still have the prefix... it's more likely an oversight/bug, than a conscious decision (since there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it).
At the very least, since the D'Khellra has access to the classic D'deridex look, it should have access to the I.R.W. prefix.
The D'Deridex warbird is not a Republic design. This is the ship the OP specifically mentioned and it is the one giving the most grief. That is the primary issue here. But there is something else for you to consider as well. I am a Romulan fan since I saw Mark Leonard's face turn (on the view screen) in the "Balance of Terror" episode of TOS and I've waited for the Romulan faction to be playable since day one. If I see a ship that is of good looking design and specs I will pay for it, if it has an IRW prefix. If it does not, I won't purchase it.
I've already run across two more player here like me who are the same way. And here is what I want you to consider: I have spent over $2K on this game since I started. Most of that was ship purchases. Players like me have made it possible to open up the Romulan faction (my honest opinion). If the spend heavy persons like me stop purchasing these new vessels over a customization issue, what impact will that have on the Romulan Republic. Sometimes you have to step out of the RP and the in-game universe and see it from a RL practical point of view.
I'll spend money on this faction till the server goes dark, but not if I don't have a few crumbs tossed my way, here and there. I think Cryptic did a great job with the mess they had to work with. I think the Romulan Republic storyline is interesting and the game play mechanic was top notch when the LoR expansion was released. I don't dispute that. My issue isn't with the quality of the RR storyline. I simply reject it and I avoid it when I possibly can. That namely means that I am a Romulan, on an RSE vessel and "what is this Republic that you speak of?"
I would like to point out that the while yes, the d'deridex is an RSE design the D'KHELLRA is not. It is specificially a Republic upgrade of the venerable DD. The Intel ships were mistakenly given the IRW prefix option, and cryptic is hardly going to spend the necessary time to take that away when they can spend the time more effectively, like speed rushing another T6 Fed ship through. This is like demanding that cryptic give the ISS prefix to every Fed ship.
For another, I vehemently object to your assumptions about being the force behind the Romulan faction. I personally would never have become so invested in the Romulan faction without the Republic. I watched TOS, but never identified with the TNG Romulans. Cryptic great story created a Romulan fan. I know many big spenders, and the majority don't give a hoot in hell about having an IRW prefix, and actively ignore the option.
Either way, even the T6 D'deridex is a Republic design in a sense. There's the T5 D'deridex, which is the existing ship. Then the T6 is the '2410 model' that contains the newest Republic fleetyard upgrades.
If you're RP'ing as a Tal'Shiar or RSE officer, then you just need to accept that there are limitations. If you're not a Republic officer, then you don't get all the new shinies. That includes the newest updates to the classic D'deridex. This 'new' D'deridex is a product of the Republic fleetyards. As you said, if it doesn't have the IRW option, then just don't buy it. But the ships we're seeing released for Romulans now are all Republic - players RP'ing as Tal'Shiar or RSE can't expect that those new releases are for them. Choosing to go against the Republic also means you're opting out of their new tech.
What you need to be asking for is not for Republic-built ships to have the IRW option. Instead, you need to be asking that non-Republic Romulans ships are created. For example, if they create a T6 variant of the Tal Shiar Adapted ships, I would hope that they only have the IRW option.
yeah... like that will happen...
Not true. The "T6" designation is a game mechanic. What you are arguing is a story RP aspect. Many of the D'Ds in the Republic Fleet are "liberated" from Tal Shiar control. The mistake you are making is called "meta-gaming", where player knowledge of game mechanics and character knowledge are conflated. A common fallacy in RPGs, to be sure, but an importaint one.
Not sure how recognizing a new ship built by the Republic is an RP fail... If that's the case, then I'm not sure how you view any ship that gets released.
Fact is, that ships are being 'produced' by the Republic. All new Romulan ships for the last while have been stated as creations of the Republic. The "T6" designation, sure that's a game mechanic and it's irrelevant. What's relevant is that this D'deridex is the newest model, decisively different in some ways to its predecessor. T6 or not, it's an updated model, with new tech (represented by the console, trait, and different stats) that came from the Republic. The Tal'Shair and RSE, as such, wouldn't have access to this distinctly Republic variant of the D'D - they have a D'D of course, but it's not the Republic-modified newest model.
While R.R.W. may 'officially' stand for 'Romulan Republic Warbird' and I.R.W. may 'officially stand for 'Imperial Romulan Warbird' some of us like to rp,... for me, I.R.W. stands for 'Independent Romulan Warbird'.
I just see no reason to NOT be able to use which ever prefix on whichever ship you like.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
By that logic, the Fleet D'Deridex shouldn't have the IRW prefix option because it's a Fleet ship created entirely by fleets in the service of the Romulan Republic, not the Tal Shiar or RSE.
If the D'Khellra was just the D'Khellra, I'd say only give it the RRW prefix option. But if the D'Deridex skin is going to be an option, then the IRW prefix should be supported as an option as well.
If people want to roleplay as part of the Romulan Republic, then nothing is stopping them from using the RRW Prefix option regardless of what ship model they use for their T6 Warbird.
The IRW prefix option is just that, an option. And roleplayers can justify a D'Khellra using the IRW prefix option as easily as they can justify prancing around the galaxy in their Undine ship. With enough explanation and storytelling, anything is justifiable.
Creativity, individuality, and artistic liberty shouldn't be hindered just because one's personal taste may differ from person to person.
Nobody is suggesting people with the D'Khellra are being forced into using the IRW prefix. We are suggesting, however, that people should not be forced into using the RRW prefix if there is standing precedent for the IRW prefix option to be used.
if Sela can use a PADD to hack a liberated borg, who may or may not have been in orbit, to orchestrate her prison break..... I think the Imperial Remnants, and Tal Shiar stooges can get their hands on the plans for an updated D'Derp or even a half dozen of the ships themselves.
They had no issues stealing the Prometheus prototype plans for their Ha'apax development. I do agree that the idea of the Tal Shiar being unable to steal Republic ship design plans for themselves is something of a stretch.
Agreed. If we want to go down the slippery slope of "People shouldn't be allowed to use an I.R.W. Prefix on Republic ships. If people want to be hard-nosed One might argue that the D'D, T'varo, Ha'apax or Valdore class (Mogai if you go by the Titan novels, instead of the designer of the ship :P ) shouldn't be allowed to use a R.R.W. prefix cause they are Imperial designs. if you're reasonable and say that these ships were stolen and the prefix was changed, it can obviously go the other way.
You can use a freakin K.D.F. or U.S.S. Prefix on all Romulan warbirds but I.R.W. is Verboten? This argument against it is a non issue. Unless the idea of the Federation and Klingon Empire suddenly having access to all Warbirds is fine and hunky dory, by way of being able to use their prefix.
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Then they won't be able to claim that the greater number of RRW vessels than IRW vessels is due to some limitation of this nature.
We can hope.
I have yet to meet a single serious Romulan player who uses those options.
If I lead you to believe that I felt personally and solely responsible for the Romulan faction. My intention here was to take some small granular degree of credit, only in the sense that I have enjoyed this game overall and I have helped to support it financially. I think we can agree that no money, no game. So in that small degree I was a very tiny part of it.
I also think that if a ship/skin will support a custom option on previous iterations, that some mention of its absence be made known in the product description. This is my sole contention. If in Cryptic's vast wisdom they choose to make this prefix unavailable in the future, that's fine. It's their call. I simply want to know ahead so I can determine whether or not to spend money on it. For me this is a spending decision and as with all of my purchases, I like to know as much as possible before I buy. Especially in any case where having or lacking a feature is a personal deal breaker. In the case of ship prefixes, it's personally a make or break kind of issue.
I would also personally note that I think a person should have ISS prefix options available as well as mirror decals for their ship. The mirror universe has a camp following. It was never more than an interesting curiosity for me, but if you can maximize ship sells with customizations that make game immersion more fun for the customer AND boost sales, then how is this not a win-win?
And the threads about it in the forum cease to be written about it and the contention around it is solved by personal preference. All kinds of positive consequences abound by allowing customization where possible.
I have no problem not buying something. I simply like to know ahead of purchase when the option isn't available. The whole reason I got involved in the forum on this topic is because I dropped $30 on a ship that I can't get a refund for. So it's either don't use it and waste the money or complain about it on the forum and use it anyway, all the while being a hypocrite. I submitted a bug report on the subforum. If it's an oversight they might fix it soon. In four weeks I'll either have a fixed ship or I'll have to strip her down and waste the money. Which doesn't include the cost of the fleet module.
This doesn't make sense. Then no one should be using lockbox ships. New shinies can be explained away as spoils of war at least as easily as those ships.
EDIT: On topic, I have one and I want I.R.W. prefix. Take that as bias or whatever for my previous statement.
I had no idea this was a thing people did.
So I say do it and look at it this way my fellow Republicans, more Romulans ships are sold the better chance that more Romulans ships are made. Show off that Romulan cunning friends.
Plot armour - or in this case, plot security systems. 'Hero' faction ships are never stolen, or when they're stolen they're reclaimed pretty quickly. The other factions get their stuff stolen all the time.
It's a bit of a running joke in... well... everything. But yeah, the 'hero' factions get whatever they want, while the others just bleed resources.
That's also very arbitrary. So we can arbitrarily say some Republic designs or ships have been stolen.
I would like to point out how very difficult it is to capture a ship outside of the often contrived circumstances of TV shows. You not only have over a thousand armed and resisting crew members, but also counter-boarding equipment, and uphill battle through terrain the enemy controls, and at the end, a self-destruct.
I personally believe that having all the lockbox ships is a bit silly. Especially the undine ones. They make no sense.
Anyway, like I have said before, cryptic has more important things to worry about than a faction of Romulan players. Their time is more productively spent making new toys for the feds. Regardless of my opposition, I would still find some good in this happening, because it would show that cryptic actually pays attention to the Romulan players.
I agree on all points. I just don't see why giving something to people who wish to RP harms anyone. It isn't a priority to bug fixes for sure, but I do not understand opposition, since it's not forcing anyone else to use it. Btw I was wondering what's the translation of your sig? I tried to jimmy something from online dictionaries but I can't quite put find all the words.
I don't see how it's a bug. When all 7 of the post Intel T6 Romulan ships lack the choice, it seems to me that its more like a case of working as intended until the devs say otherwise. I think its more likely that the Intel ships weren't supposed to have it, but did, and they haven't removed the ability because its a low priority.
My sig is thanks to protogoth's work on Rihan. It roughly translates as "Long live the Romulan Republic. Our ruling passion is freedom"