Raenasa ih'Saeihr s'Kreh'dhhokh Mol'Rihanai
(Star Command of the New Romulan Republic)
usually called simply Raenasa ch'Mol'Rihan
(literally, "Command-Center of New Romulans," but more often prosaically translated as "New Romulus Command
D'Ekhiel Rihan (Romulan Grand Council)
Ekhiel Rahaen Rihan (Romulan High Council)
Fvillha, Fvillhu
Praetor (note that the spelling "fvillhu" was originally a scribal error, but it has entered common use and may now be regarded as a dialectical variant; it is the spelling most used among the personnel of the Tal'Diann, Tal-Diann, and Lasasam s'Tal'Diann, in part due to the Tal'Shiar having occasionally used the word with the spelling "Fvillha" to refer to the head of their organization)
Ehkifv Temjahaere
Proconsul (literally, "Governing Consul")
ri'hwathech
queen
di'hwathech
king
thech = reign (verb)
hwa = ? possibly related to "shape, form, structure," and/or "command"
ri'- = feminizing prefix for a noun or adjective
di'- = masculinizing prefix for a noun or adjective
Rhiyrh
Emperor
ri'Rhiyrh
Empress
mnhei'ri'Hwathech ch'Rehvie Kreen
Ruling Queen of the Two Worlds = a title bestowed by the mad queen, Vriha t'Rehu, upon herself in the year 78 Aihkh Eiraaenhr
galae'Enriov galaen ih'Shiar nuseir
Fleet Admiral of the third imperial fleet
ri'Rhiyrh s'Jahkaer ih'Shiar Rihanai
Empress of the Imperial Romulan State
(Both were titles of Donatra.)
Daesn kivoi Temnein Sien'oielhai
Temporal Assessment Group
(literally, "Group tasked with the administration of Temporal Analysis")
Hren'u na nnulhlle'le s'Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihanai. Aihr'pehai s'Shiar. Ormiin'u hraen cradol: nnulhlle'le sa's'Shiar riud lleiset sa'Kreh'dhhokhai.
Behold the incompetence of the Romulan star Empire. This is the gift of the Empire. Choose your fate: incompetence with the Empire or freedom with the Republic.
Na veruulir s'Tal'Shiar iohvae awevhev Nanovir, mrht lloann irri modher eirehhedraer Vihranen.
The fools of the Tal'Shiar swallow Nanovs easily, but believe it difficult to pass Vihranen.
Aehjae'nen s'Khreh'dhhokh Rihanai
Supporter (Sponsor, one who supports or sponsors) of the Romulan Republic
Daehlen s'ch'Mol'Rihan
Friend of New Romulus
Lakhraem Euhren u'Ouahhai
Defense of Planet and of System
mh'Hnahfvierai Fvillhum s'Gessatra
From Office of Praetor Gessatra
ra'Hruuhi s'D'kel.
Conqueror of D'kel.
Khina Rihan ih'Shiar, khia hrrau hveillhevha Mol'Rihan ih'Kreh'dhhokhevha. Yytaera'e theah riud legare'e, riud mnean khia sahhae'dhohh.
Starship Romulan Imperial, you (sup. to inf.) in territory New-Romulan Republican. Depart (sup. to inf.) immediately or surrender (sup. to inf.), or we you (sup. to inf.) will-destroy.
(Imperial Romulan starship, you are in New Romulan Republic territory. Depart immediately or surrender, or we will destroy you.)
Ahr'yy'a na Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan.
The Romulan Star Empire is dead.
Thiich'u Khreh'dhhokh Mol'Rihan u' na Mol'Rihannsu!
(Long live the New Romulan Republic and the New Romulans!)
Flaihh'u ch'Rihan! Flaihh'u ch'Havran! Flaihh'u Virinat! Flaihh'u Crateris!
Remember Romulus! Remember Remus! Remember Virinat! Remember Crateris!
(This is the fleet battle-cry of the Tal'Diann [sometimes shortened to "Flaihh'u ch'Rihan! Flaihh'u Virinat!"]. This battle-cry is based on the battle-cry of the Texans during the Texas Revolution: "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!" which called upon the revolutionaries to remember the site of two massacres committed by their opponents. In the same way, both the homeworlds ch'Rihan and ch'Havran, as well as colonies like Virinat and Crateris, were subjected to massacres by the Tal'Shiar, with ch'Rihan u' ch'Havran being completely destroyed by the Tal'Shiar when they caused the Hobus Supernova, and the peaceful agricultural colony on Virinat and the peaceful mining colony on Crateris being attacked by the Tal'Shiar and their Elachi allies. In both cases, untold numbers were slaughtered, while in the attacks on Virinat and Crateris, many colonists were taken captive and subjected to experimentation by the Elachi [and were then turned into food for Elachi young], and torture by the Tal'Shiar. These were Crimes Against Peace and Crimes Against Romulanity, perpetrated by the cowardly and inept Tal'Shiar, and must be remembered, so as to remind us why we fight the Tal'Shiar and the Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan.)
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Riov Temer hiullhullnahu alhu lleiset, na mnhei'sahe hachaen lamne'elh s'Rihan.
Commander Temer sacrificed himself for freedom, the central ruling passion of the Romulan collective psyche.
Ahr'lleiset na mnhei'sahe hachaen lamne'elh s'Rihan.
The central mnhei'sahe (ruling passion) of the collective Romulan psyche is freedom.
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I don't see how it's a bug. When all 7 of the post Intel T6 Romulan ships lack the choice, it seems to me that its more like a case of working as intended until the devs say otherwise. I think its more likely that the Intel ships weren't supposed to have it, but did, and they haven't removed the ability because its a low priority.
"Bug" is probably too strong a word... but, it is an oversight, IMO. There's no good reason why Cryptic would suddenly stop putting the prefix in, as they don't normally care about such "Spacebarbie" or RP-ing issues as "they're Republic ships" (if that was the case, then the prefix should have never been there outside of the two Tal Shiar ships).
But, say you're right... if the freaking Photonic Science BOFF can finally gain customization options, then the prefix can AT LEAST be added to the T6 D'deridex. Further, if Cryptic has learned one thing, it's that customization sells. This is something so easy to add (I would think), and it makes SOME sense (in the case of the D'd)... why not?
"Bug" is probably too strong a word... but, it is an oversight, IMO. There's no good reason why Cryptic would suddenly stop putting the prefix in, as they don't normally care about such "Spacebarbie" or RP-ing issues as "they're Republic ships" (if that was the case, then the prefix should have never been there outside of the two Tal Shiar ships)
There's good reason to have IRW on Republic ships like the Mogai, Dhelan, etc - those were ships that were brought over from the RSE when the Republic was formed.
New ships, as evidenced by the lack of the IRW option, are purely Republic.
I'd agree that RRW being the only option is what was intended, where going back to remove the option from the Intel ships isn't worth the time.
There's good reason to have IRW on Republic ships like the Mogai, Dhelan, etc - those were ships that were brought over from the RSE when the Republic was formed.
New ships, as evidenced by the lack of the IRW option, are purely Republic.
I'd agree that RRW being the only option is what was intended, where going back to remove the option from the Intel ships isn't worth the time.
Again, that's coming from a more RP perspective.
Unfortunately, my view is a bit more cynical. I find it far more likely that this was overlooked, as the dev team sadly misses a lot of details. Some big, some small... in all likelihood, adding the IRW prefix completely slipped their mind... so, you may get your way, through bad/not enough QA.
When my FED ship sometimes has green warp trails (with no engines to make them green), my KDF ships use the FED computer voice... I think my D'deridex missing the IRW prefix follows this line of "bugs."
However, enough players seem to want it, it's a small enough thing for people like you to ignore... and the T6 Intel ships ("designed for the Republic") have access to it, so there's no reason why the other T6 ships shouldn't have it.
RP issues aside, why do you care what I do with my ship? Or others, for that matter?
Live and let live.
Well, if its so small, then it shouldn't matter if its available or not. But either way, I think the devs have more important things to worry about than something as trivial as your ability to use a specific ship prefix.
Well, if its so small, then it shouldn't matter if its available or not. But either way, I think the devs have more important things to worry about than something as trivial as your ability to use a specific ship prefix.
They are more than capable of working on both the small things and the big ones at the same time. We saw a big ship prefix update some time ago, so it's not like they overlook the small details. They fix trivial things all the time. And what is considered trivial to one STO player is not necessarily considered trivial to another.
The loss of a king's crown and a child's doll are events of equal size to those individuals.
The loss of a king's crown and a child's doll are events of equal size to those individuals.
Absolutely this. And I guarantee that the RRW guys will pass me in my IRW ships and won't think twice about it because they are on their RRW, conducting their own missions and pursuing their own interests. When I'm on my ship I am quite aware that if it is missing the correct prefix, it disturbs my enjoyment and immersion in the game and when I'm on my ship, pursuing my own affairs, my concerns are as paramount to me as to each their own.
I'll also reiterate that it's a large enough aggravation from my perspective that I am willing to forgo future purchases on all future warbird releases because I fear the unwelcomed risk of wasting more money on a ship I don't want. I don't want the T6 Fleet D'Deridex bad enough to continue its flight under the IRW prefix. I'm allotting a total of four weeks for my bug report to be followed up on or I'm stripping the ship and I won't spend another penny on ships. I've already purchased most fed ships released through the Odyssey and I am exclusively a Romulan player, but only as long as the game offers a degree of flexibility for individual game player choices.
The individual customization options are money makers and the opposite will have some impact on the bottom line, small though it might be.
ALL Romulan ships should be able to have IRW. And to allow Romulan ships to have USS or IKS prefix instead of that is just sad and a double standard. If they happen to think IRW doesn't fit newer ship models, then USS and IKS prefix should go away for Romulan ships as well if they want to maintain their case. There is absolutely no precedent for Romulan ships to ever have a prefix of their ally factions, IRW will always make more sense than that since the Republic was still born from the Empires remains!
ALL Romulan ships should be able to have IRW. And to allow Romulan ships to have USS or IKS prefix instead of that is just sad and a double standard. If they happen to think IRW doesn't fit newer ship models, then USS and IKS prefix should go away for Romulan ships as well if they want to maintain their case. There is absolutely no precedent for Romulan ships to ever have a prefix of their ally factions, IRW will always make more sense than that since the Republic was still born from the Empires remains!
I agree that the IKS/USS prefix is utterly silly, and should be removed. Also, I find it funny that some non-Romulans come out of the box with RRW. My little brothers Gorn opened his Qib and recieved the RRW Barangar. He keptmit for the lols, and also because he dislikes Klingons.
On topic, I never said it was a bug . I said bug fixes are higher priority. It's merely a nice RP addition that harms no one and there has yet to be demonstrated a solid reason to oppose it.
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Absolutely this. And I guarantee that the RRW guys will pass me in my IRW ships and won't think twice about it because they are on their RRW, conducting their own missions and pursuing their own interests. When I'm on my ship I am quite aware that if it is missing the correct prefix, it disturbs my enjoyment and immersion in the game and when I'm on my ship, pursuing my own affairs, my concerns are as paramount to me as to each their own.
I'll also reiterate that it's a large enough aggravation from my perspective that I am willing to forgo future purchases on all future warbird releases because I fear the unwelcomed risk of wasting more money on a ship I don't want. I don't want the T6 Fleet D'Deridex bad enough to continue its flight under the IRW prefix. I'm allotting a total of four weeks for my bug report to be followed up on or I'm stripping the ship and I won't spend another penny on ships. I've already purchased most fed ships released through the Odyssey and I am exclusively a Romulan player, but only as long as the game offers a degree of flexibility for individual game player choices.
The individual customization options are money makers and the opposite will have some impact on the bottom line, small though it might be.
Um... you DO know that the Romulan Star Empire did not build the T6 variant D'Deridex... right? The class was only used as a basis for the new one that is solely built by the Republic. As far as I know... all T6 Romulan ships were only built by the Republic, and therefor have no in game lore reason to be labled with the IRW prefix outside of players wanting to have it because they can make it look like the D'Deridex. So technically... HAVING the IRW prefix is Imersion Breaking as it is not an Imperial design.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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As easy as it is to get bogged down with semantics, the point that stands at the end of the day is that the I.R.W. prefix makes a whole lot more sense then the truly 'Immersion breaking' USS or IKS prefix (which just have no place on Romulan warbirds). People on both sides of a war can defect/steal plans, the world wars of the past century show that much.
And at the end of the day if people want to have I.R.W. for rp, there's really no real logical reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to use it (especially if Cryptic plan to keep using the USS and IKS ones). Just like there's nothing wrong with people using the R.R.W. prefix if they want. Problem comes if people start saying, you can't rp this way because *insert random in game ideological point of view here*
And at the end of the day if people want to have I.R.W. for rp, there's really no real logical reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to use it (especially if Cryptic plan to keep using the USS and IKS ones). Just like there's nothing wrong with people using the R.R.W. prefix if they want. Problem comes if people start saying, you can't rp this way because *insert random in game ideological point of view here*
It's not a "you don't RP the way I do" thing. It's a fact, that these warbirds are Republic-built, as listed in their in-game description.
Demanding IRW is in itself a result of, as you say, *insert random in game ideological point of view here.* The players who are calling for an IRW prefix are making a complaint that's entirely RP-based.
The whole point of this is not who built the D'D whether it be tier 5, tier 6 or tier 1600. The whole point of this is being able to choose. Naming prefixes are not hard baked into warbirds, battle cruisers, etc, with no hope of changing them.
If former Imperial ships currently in Republic service were able to change their prefix, the reverse is also true. No fortress is impregnable, no computer unhackable. In other word to quote Joseph Sisko:"There isn't a test that's been created that a smart man can't find his way around." Ships and plans can always be stolen like has been mentioned. Defectors and spies have always, and currently do exist in every government on the planet.
It won't kill Republic rp'ers/non rp'ers anymore so then the opposite kills Imperial rp'ers/non rp'ers. Live and let live, A extra prefix option won't hurt anyone. Both sides win and the status quo is maintained. (That being, most supporters of both sides seem to hate the other sides guts.:P)
(The main thing that may help depends on Cryptic's resolution to the Romulan civil war, which so far seems to be a three way battle)
The most advanced ships in Star Trek have been stolen, captured, overtaken, broken, destroyed, duplicated, reverse-engineered, and all of the above from alternate realities/universes/timelines. Sometimes by alien governments. Sometimes by their own crew. Sometimes by an individual person with a strange technobabble device nobody has encountered before, and thus have no countermeasure against.
The Enterprise-D was taken out by a B'Rel Bird-of-Prey. The Defiant was stolen by Thomas Riker and the Maquis. I can go on and go through an exhaustive list about how vulnerable the most advanced and iconic ships of Star Trek can be taken down by a paperclip and a rubberband by space MacGuyver.
The only reason everything works out in the end is because it's an hour-long television show that requires everything to return to normal at the end as a requirement of storytelling. Even when the Defiant was destroyed, Admiral Ross gave Sisko the exact same ship back to him and allowed them to rename the Sao Paulo back to Defiant. Why? Because it'd just be too confusing for the viewers to wonder why all of a sudden Sisko is flying the Sao Paulo instead of the Defiant.
If the T6 D'Deridex didn't have the D'Deridex skin option, I'd have no problem saying "RRW prefix only? Okay." But if they're going to package the D'Deridex skin in with it, then to me it's no different from having the Mirror Universe ships given their regular non-MU counterparts prefixes and skins, despite the ship quite clearly being made in the Mirror Universe.
It's about options. The people who like the RRW prefix aren't being forced into using the IRW prefix against their will. They aren't losing anything.
I'm all about more options, regardless of the ship. Cryptic's games have been about customization and options. Asking for more customization and more options to make our ships/characters more unique in a Cryptic game is neither unreasonable, nor trivial. It's something they've done through all of their games.
If it's not indecent, obscene, or otherwise extremely inappropriate, I'm not seeing the big deal in trying to prohibit more people from being more diverse and making their own ships more unique to them. The stretch from RRW to IRW is a lot shorter than RRW to USS/IKS, and I don't see them removing that option anytime soon.
It's not a "you don't RP the way I do" thing. It's a fact, that these warbirds are Republic-built, as listed in their in-game description.
Demanding IRW is in itself a result of, as you say, *insert random in game ideological point of view here.* The players who are calling for an IRW prefix are making a complaint that's entirely RP-based.
Of course we are. We are playing an MMORPG and asking for RP things. iconians' explanation is on point.
I wouldn't mind having the I.R.W. prefix on all the new Romulan ships... but I care most about the D'deridex, because it seems out-of-place without it. And, again, it's something that I don't think our dev team didn't think about (whether it's an oversight, or deliberate move).
Um... you DO know that the Romulan Star Empire did not build the T6 variant D'Deridex... right? The class was only used as a basis for the new one that is solely built by the Republic. As far as I know... all T6 Romulan ships were only built by the Republic, and therefor have no in game lore reason to be labled with the IRW prefix outside of players wanting to have it because they can make it look like the D'Deridex. So technically... HAVING the IRW prefix is Imersion Breaking as it is not an Imperial design.
I know the lore in the game. I don't CARE. The point that I am making is two fold 1.) there should be some indication in the ship description that the IRW prefix will not be available for the D'Deridex skin on the T6 fleet ship. It's not that hard, 100 characters or less to say this prefix won't be available. It would save me $30 + the cost of fleet modules and a lot of headache on the forums. 2,) if you want to capitalize on ship sells, then keep open the customization. As it stands I won't spend any more cash on the game. I am now playing exclusively Romulan. I play imperial Romulan. If the option isn't there, I don't want the ship. I'm not a player who comes to complain in a vacuum. I've spent more than a fair amount of my income on the game and I just want a heads up. If there isn't going to be an IRW prefix available moving forward, then there goes my wallet. I guess a couple of grande is enough money for one player to spend. It's not that hard to get my cash, build a good looking ship, with good stats, like the intelligence ships and give an IRW prefix and I will drop cash. When I thought the T6 came with the prefix, I bought the ship. Want my money? The path to get it is easy. Give me an option to make my ship into a Romulan empire ship. If not, then me and Cryptic can agree that we don't need each other's direct effort. No worries. I keep what I have and I hold my wallet till the server goes dark. It's not that hard.
I know the lore in the game. I don't CARE. The point that I am making is two fold 1.) there should be some indication in the ship description that the IRW prefix will not be available for the D'Deridex skin on the T6 fleet ship. It's not that hard, 100 characters or less to say this prefix won't be available. It would save me $30 + the cost of fleet modules and a lot of headache on the forums. 2,) if you want to capitalize on ship sells, then keep open the customization. As it stands I won't spend any more cash on the game. I am now playing exclusively Romulan. I play imperial Romulan. If the option isn't there, I don't want the ship. I'm not a player who comes to complain in a vacuum. I've spent more than a fair amount of my income on the game and I just want a heads up. If there isn't going to be an IRW prefix available moving forward, then there goes my wallet. I guess a couple of grande is enough money for one player to spend. It's not that hard to get my cash, build a good looking ship, with good stats, like the intelligence ships and give an IRW prefix and I will drop cash. When I thought the T6 came with the prefix, I bought the ship. Want my money? The path to get it is easy. Give me an option to make my ship into a Romulan empire ship. If not, then me and Cryptic can agree that we don't need each other's direct effort. No worries. I keep what I have and I hold my wallet till the server goes dark. It's not that hard.
Having the IRW prefix is NOT immersion breaking because you are in your own ship and you don't care. Not having the IRW prefix is immersion breaking for me because it's missing and I'm painfully aware of it every time game dialogue pops up and mentions my ship as the RRW.
I'm make it crystal CLEAR - I won't spend any money $ at all if a ship doesn't have the IRW prefix. It can't help the empire, republic or any other player for money to not be coming in. How hard is this to grasp? And it shouldn't be the case that people spend money to find a ship does t have a prefix available that it did have before.
I'm make it crystal CLEAR - I won't spend any money $ at all if a ship doesn't have the IRW prefix. It can't help the empire, republic or any other player for money to not be coming in. How hard is this to grasp? And it shouldn't be the case that people spend money to find a ship does t have a prefix available that it did have before.
Then don't spend any bloody money. There are many more people that do spend who don't care or prefer the RRW that you won't be missed. The T6 D'deridex never had it to begin with. It's not like it had it, and then they took it away. It was plain never there.
Then don't spend any bloody money. There are many more people that do spend who don't care or prefer the RRW that you won't be missed. The T6 D'deridex never had it to begin with. It's not like it had it, and then they took it away. It was plain never there.
Then I guess we have the solution then. I'm sure my money won't be missed.
There's no real need for anyone to get combative here. It's quite clear where people stand in this thread. Bottom line as much as some people may hate the I.R.W. Prefix and anything Imperial with a passion and vise versa, including it won't break the game immersion nor will it harm anyone as proved by the inclusion of it on the intel ships, mistake or no mistake.
The main thing we can do to support the I.R.W. Prefix customization option that makes sense is not take get into too many arguments, or if people try to bait to start a flame war. That way the devs will see that we're making a reasonable request, and not shut the thread.
The main thing we can do to support the I.R.W. Prefix customization option that makes sense is not take get into too many arguments, or if people try to bait to start a flame war. That way the devs will see that we're making a reasonable request, and not shut the thread.
I just can't see how the IRW prefix is "reasonable." It's a Republic warbird as per the description in the C-Store. Among other naming issues (like the USS / IKS that definitely need to be removed as an option...), any craft listed as Republic should only have the RRW prefix. Otherwise, it just wouldn't make sense with the in-game references.
If the T6 D'Deridex didn't have the D'Deridex skin option, I'd have no problem saying "RRW prefix only? Okay." But if they're going to package the D'Deridex skin in with it, then to me it's no different from having the Mirror Universe ships given their regular non-MU counterparts prefixes and skins, despite the ship quite clearly being made in the Mirror Universe.
I think it is different. The MU ships are being brought into the Federation (player) faction from the Terran Empire (NPC) faction. Same applies to Mirror KDF and Romulan ships.
For the T6 D'khellra, the warbird is explicitly listed as a product of the Republic. It's not too far fetched to expect that the Republic still produces D'deridex warbirds, hence the skin option. But it's not like players are being told they can't have IRW on any D'deridex, either. They can have IRW on every D'deridex except this newest one which is a Republic-built craft.
If you're RPing an Imperial Romulan, I don't see any injustice being done by not having 'access' to the Republic's newest warbirds.
I'm all about more options, regardless of the ship. Cryptic's games have been about customization and options. Asking for more customization and more options to make our ships/characters more unique in a Cryptic game is neither unreasonable, nor trivial. It's something they've done through all of their games.
I have no trouble with customization options. It's just that allowing the IRW prefix on this warbird conflicts directly with the in-game listed information.
I just can't see how the IRW prefix is "reasonable." It's a Republic ship as per the description in the C-Store. Among other naming issues (like the USS / IKS that definitely need to be removed as an option...), any ships listed as Republic should only have the RRW prefix. Otherwise, it just wouldn't make sense with the in-game references.
I think it is different. The MU ships are being brought into the Federation (player) faction from an NPC (non-player) faction. Same applies to Mirror KDF and Romulan ships.
But for the T6 D'khellra, the warbird is explicitly listed as a product of the Republic. It's not too far fetched to expect that the Republic still produces D'deridex warbirds, hence the skin option.
It's not like players are being told they can't have IRW on any D'deridex. They can have IRW on every D'deridex except this newest one which is a Republic-built craft.
I have no trouble with customization options. It's just that allowing the IRW prefix on this ship conflicts directly with the in-game listed information on the ship.
I think one simple solution to this problem might be by setting the naming like the Romulan shuttles that way people can type in R.R.W. or I.R.W. if they please
At the end of the day it's a game. and if players want to play that game the way they want to and say they serve the Romulan Star Empire it won't harm anyone. It's a tag that people use on their ships that doesn't force anyone else to use it.
Secondly even if it wasn't listed as a Republic Built ship, I won't start to speak for you, but I get the feeling some (not all) might still rail against it or any other Romulan Warbird being able to use the prefix. But after all unless someone chooses to rp, the Romulan story is just a single player Republic storyline anyway, but Cryptic still tossed a bone to some disappointed players who wanted a Imperial faction by putting in the I.R.W. prefix in and Imperial Uniforms.
Part of this problem is that some people assume the RSE is totally dead and incapable of building anymore new ships. But until I hear otherwise from cryptic, I'll assume that they still can. Barring that it's already been brought up that ships can be stolen and copied.
Secondly even if it wasn't listed as a Republic Built ship, I won't start to speak for you, but I get the feeling some (not all) might still rail against it or any other Romulan Warbird being able to use the prefix. But after all unless someone chooses to rp, the Romulan story is just a single player Republic storyline anyway, but Cryptic still tossed a bone to some disappointed players who wanted a Imperial faction by putting in the I.R.W. prefix in and Imperial Uniforms.
Naw, I ain't quite that crazy... yet
It makes perfect sense for most of the warbirds to have the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, T'varo, Dhelan, Mogai, etc... those were all RSE birds. And it was stated that most of the early Republic fleet was made from the birds that their crews defected from the RSE with.
I'm completely supportive of those having the IRW option, because it jives with what Cryptic established in their universe.
Where the break-point is are the new warbirds that are listed as Republic-designed and Republic-built. Giving those the IRW prefix contradicts the in-game lore. And that would include the T6 updates. Sure, you can give the D'khellra a D'deridex skin - but it's still listed as a D'khellra in the status window, and has all the new 'technological advancements' that give it some differences to the old D'deridex.
Basically, I'm looking for internal consistency. I'm not at all against the IRW prefix, I'm just against adding it to warbirds that have been established as unique to the Republic.
It makes perfect sense for most of the warbirds to have the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, T'varo, Dhelan, Mogai, etc... those were all RSE birds. And it was stated that most of the early Republic fleet was made from the birds that their crews defected from the RSE with.
I'm completely supportive of those having the IRW option, because it jives with what Cryptic established in their universe.
Where the break-point is are the new warbirds that are listed as Republic-designed and Republic-built. Giving those the IRW prefix contradicts the in-game lore. And that would include the T6 updates. Sure, you can give the D'khellra a D'deridex skin - but it's still listed as a D'khellra in the status window, and has all the new 'technological advancements' that give it some differences to the old D'deridex.
Basically, I'm looking for internal consistency. I'm not at all against the IRW prefix, I'm just against adding it to warbirds that have been established as unique to the Republic.
Perhaps we can just agree to disagree, that said I do respect your viewpoint. I think think personally that in-game lore has been scrambled and retconned so much (not to mention lockboxes) 'Internal consistency' sorta went out the airlock a little while ago. A change to a tooltip and prefix won't hurt Imo, or just having a rp explanation that either the design schematics for, or one of the new ships were stolen.
If recent Featured episodes show, Nothing is unhackable not even Gaius. Heck the Ha'apax was based on the stolen Prometheus class designs and the Empire stole it, so there is precedent for it. And for newer ships (timeline wise) using the I.R.W. prefix there is a precedent too.(the Dyson science destroyer being one of these.)
But personally I don't care for the current tier system for ships anyway, as it can constantly get 1upped with any new ranks released and it's a in-game mechanic non-native to star trek but thats another topic entirely.
All I want is to be able to fly the endgame Romulan ships I grew up watching with the prefix I know and like.
Perhaps we can just agree to disagree, that said I do respect your viewpoint. I think think personally that in-game lore has been scrambled and retconned so much (not to mention lockboxes) 'Internal consistency' sorta went out the airlock a little while ago. A change to a tooltip and prefix won't hurt Imo, or just having a rp explanation that either the design schematics for, or one of the new ships were stolen.
The Lockbox ships are, and probably always will be, the biggest smack in the face to consistency for sure.
But obviously not everyone's into that kinda thing. So I can't fault players for wanting to fly around in Jem'Hadar ships and the like. There's nothing wrong with that.
When did I ever say RP wasn't reasonable? I just said that, if you're RPing a Romulan that isn't part of the Republic, it doesn't make sense to have a Republic ship. It makes sense to have one of the ships from the Empire.
The call-out should be for non-Republic ships, like T6 updates to the Tal Shiar Adapted series. They're two separate factions.
It'd be like if I'm RP'ing a Klingon who defected from the KDF to Starfleet. It'd be silly to demand that I still fly a B'rel or a Vor'cha. I should be choosing one of Starfleet's many tactical-oriented ships, or calling on Cryptic to create a KDF-like Starfleet ship.
When did I ever say RP wasn't reasonable? I just said that, if you're RPing a Romulan that isn't part of the Republic, it doesn't make sense to have a Republic ship. It makes sense to have one of the ships from the Empire.
The call-out should be for non-Republic ships, like T6 updates to the Tal Shiar Adapted series.
perhaps stop to consider that in a game thats "all about your story" not everyone's story includes the RR? Or perhaps it involves the RR having a brief rise and fall to a successor power? Considering how often Tal Shiar manage to get into RR facilities(even proconsul D'Tan's office) I'm still not sure how you can't see them or the imperial remnants not fielding their own versions of RR designed vessels. About 1/3 of the characters my fleet mates have utterly ignore STO's plot and have their own RP'd out stories.
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Here's a bit more political Rihan (from the "Government/Politics and History" section on my page of "Often-Used Phrases"):
Hopefully there is a patch somewhere down the road.
"Bug" is probably too strong a word... but, it is an oversight, IMO. There's no good reason why Cryptic would suddenly stop putting the prefix in, as they don't normally care about such "Spacebarbie" or RP-ing issues as "they're Republic ships" (if that was the case, then the prefix should have never been there outside of the two Tal Shiar ships).
But, say you're right... if the freaking Photonic Science BOFF can finally gain customization options, then the prefix can AT LEAST be added to the T6 D'deridex. Further, if Cryptic has learned one thing, it's that customization sells. This is something so easy to add (I would think), and it makes SOME sense (in the case of the D'd)... why not?
There's good reason to have IRW on Republic ships like the Mogai, Dhelan, etc - those were ships that were brought over from the RSE when the Republic was formed.
New ships, as evidenced by the lack of the IRW option, are purely Republic.
I'd agree that RRW being the only option is what was intended, where going back to remove the option from the Intel ships isn't worth the time.
Again, that's coming from a more RP perspective.
Unfortunately, my view is a bit more cynical. I find it far more likely that this was overlooked, as the dev team sadly misses a lot of details. Some big, some small... in all likelihood, adding the IRW prefix completely slipped their mind... so, you may get your way, through bad/not enough QA.
When my FED ship sometimes has green warp trails (with no engines to make them green), my KDF ships use the FED computer voice... I think my D'deridex missing the IRW prefix follows this line of "bugs."
Well, if its so small, then it shouldn't matter if its available or not. But either way, I think the devs have more important things to worry about than something as trivial as your ability to use a specific ship prefix.
They are more than capable of working on both the small things and the big ones at the same time. We saw a big ship prefix update some time ago, so it's not like they overlook the small details. They fix trivial things all the time. And what is considered trivial to one STO player is not necessarily considered trivial to another.
The loss of a king's crown and a child's doll are events of equal size to those individuals.
Absolutely this. And I guarantee that the RRW guys will pass me in my IRW ships and won't think twice about it because they are on their RRW, conducting their own missions and pursuing their own interests. When I'm on my ship I am quite aware that if it is missing the correct prefix, it disturbs my enjoyment and immersion in the game and when I'm on my ship, pursuing my own affairs, my concerns are as paramount to me as to each their own.
I'll also reiterate that it's a large enough aggravation from my perspective that I am willing to forgo future purchases on all future warbird releases because I fear the unwelcomed risk of wasting more money on a ship I don't want. I don't want the T6 Fleet D'Deridex bad enough to continue its flight under the IRW prefix. I'm allotting a total of four weeks for my bug report to be followed up on or I'm stripping the ship and I won't spend another penny on ships. I've already purchased most fed ships released through the Odyssey and I am exclusively a Romulan player, but only as long as the game offers a degree of flexibility for individual game player choices.
The individual customization options are money makers and the opposite will have some impact on the bottom line, small though it might be.
I agree that the IKS/USS prefix is utterly silly, and should be removed. Also, I find it funny that some non-Romulans come out of the box with RRW. My little brothers Gorn opened his Qib and recieved the RRW Barangar. He keptmit for the lols, and also because he dislikes Klingons.
On topic, I never said it was a bug
Um... you DO know that the Romulan Star Empire did not build the T6 variant D'Deridex... right? The class was only used as a basis for the new one that is solely built by the Republic. As far as I know... all T6 Romulan ships were only built by the Republic, and therefor have no in game lore reason to be labled with the IRW prefix outside of players wanting to have it because they can make it look like the D'Deridex. So technically... HAVING the IRW prefix is Imersion Breaking as it is not an Imperial design.
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And at the end of the day if people want to have I.R.W. for rp, there's really no real logical reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to use it (especially if Cryptic plan to keep using the USS and IKS ones). Just like there's nothing wrong with people using the R.R.W. prefix if they want. Problem comes if people start saying, you can't rp this way because *insert random in game ideological point of view here*
It's not a "you don't RP the way I do" thing. It's a fact, that these warbirds are Republic-built, as listed in their in-game description.
Demanding IRW is in itself a result of, as you say, *insert random in game ideological point of view here.* The players who are calling for an IRW prefix are making a complaint that's entirely RP-based.
If former Imperial ships currently in Republic service were able to change their prefix, the reverse is also true. No fortress is impregnable, no computer unhackable. In other word to quote Joseph Sisko:"There isn't a test that's been created that a smart man can't find his way around." Ships and plans can always be stolen like has been mentioned. Defectors and spies have always, and currently do exist in every government on the planet.
It won't kill Republic rp'ers/non rp'ers anymore so then the opposite kills Imperial rp'ers/non rp'ers. Live and let live, A extra prefix option won't hurt anyone. Both sides win and the status quo is maintained. (That being, most supporters of both sides seem to hate the other sides guts.:P)
(The main thing that may help depends on Cryptic's resolution to the Romulan civil war, which so far seems to be a three way battle)
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The Enterprise-D was taken out by a B'Rel Bird-of-Prey. The Defiant was stolen by Thomas Riker and the Maquis. I can go on and go through an exhaustive list about how vulnerable the most advanced and iconic ships of Star Trek can be taken down by a paperclip and a rubberband by space MacGuyver.
The only reason everything works out in the end is because it's an hour-long television show that requires everything to return to normal at the end as a requirement of storytelling. Even when the Defiant was destroyed, Admiral Ross gave Sisko the exact same ship back to him and allowed them to rename the Sao Paulo back to Defiant. Why? Because it'd just be too confusing for the viewers to wonder why all of a sudden Sisko is flying the Sao Paulo instead of the Defiant.
If the T6 D'Deridex didn't have the D'Deridex skin option, I'd have no problem saying "RRW prefix only? Okay." But if they're going to package the D'Deridex skin in with it, then to me it's no different from having the Mirror Universe ships given their regular non-MU counterparts prefixes and skins, despite the ship quite clearly being made in the Mirror Universe.
It's about options. The people who like the RRW prefix aren't being forced into using the IRW prefix against their will. They aren't losing anything.
I'm all about more options, regardless of the ship. Cryptic's games have been about customization and options. Asking for more customization and more options to make our ships/characters more unique in a Cryptic game is neither unreasonable, nor trivial. It's something they've done through all of their games.
If it's not indecent, obscene, or otherwise extremely inappropriate, I'm not seeing the big deal in trying to prohibit more people from being more diverse and making their own ships more unique to them. The stretch from RRW to IRW is a lot shorter than RRW to USS/IKS, and I don't see them removing that option anytime soon.
Of course we are. We are playing an MMORPG and asking for RP things. iconians' explanation is on point.
I wouldn't mind having the I.R.W. prefix on all the new Romulan ships... but I care most about the D'deridex, because it seems out-of-place without it. And, again, it's something that I don't think our dev team didn't think about (whether it's an oversight, or deliberate move).
I know the lore in the game. I don't CARE. The point that I am making is two fold 1.) there should be some indication in the ship description that the IRW prefix will not be available for the D'Deridex skin on the T6 fleet ship. It's not that hard, 100 characters or less to say this prefix won't be available. It would save me $30 + the cost of fleet modules and a lot of headache on the forums. 2,) if you want to capitalize on ship sells, then keep open the customization. As it stands I won't spend any more cash on the game. I am now playing exclusively Romulan. I play imperial Romulan. If the option isn't there, I don't want the ship. I'm not a player who comes to complain in a vacuum. I've spent more than a fair amount of my income on the game and I just want a heads up. If there isn't going to be an IRW prefix available moving forward, then there goes my wallet. I guess a couple of grande is enough money for one player to spend. It's not that hard to get my cash, build a good looking ship, with good stats, like the intelligence ships and give an IRW prefix and I will drop cash. When I thought the T6 came with the prefix, I bought the ship. Want my money? The path to get it is easy. Give me an option to make my ship into a Romulan empire ship. If not, then me and Cryptic can agree that we don't need each other's direct effort. No worries. I keep what I have and I hold my wallet till the server goes dark. It's not that hard.
Having the IRW prefix is NOT immersion breaking because you are in your own ship and you don't care. Not having the IRW prefix is immersion breaking for me because it's missing and I'm painfully aware of it every time game dialogue pops up and mentions my ship as the RRW.
I'm make it crystal CLEAR - I won't spend any money $ at all if a ship doesn't have the IRW prefix. It can't help the empire, republic or any other player for money to not be coming in. How hard is this to grasp? And it shouldn't be the case that people spend money to find a ship does t have a prefix available that it did have before.
Then don't spend any bloody money. There are many more people that do spend who don't care or prefer the RRW that you won't be missed. The T6 D'deridex never had it to begin with. It's not like it had it, and then they took it away. It was plain never there.
Then I guess we have the solution then. I'm sure my money won't be missed.
The main thing we can do to support the I.R.W. Prefix customization option that makes sense is not take get into too many arguments, or if people try to bait to start a flame war. That way the devs will see that we're making a reasonable request, and not shut the thread.
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I just can't see how the IRW prefix is "reasonable." It's a Republic warbird as per the description in the C-Store. Among other naming issues (like the USS / IKS that definitely need to be removed as an option...), any craft listed as Republic should only have the RRW prefix. Otherwise, it just wouldn't make sense with the in-game references.
I think it is different. The MU ships are being brought into the Federation (player) faction from the Terran Empire (NPC) faction. Same applies to Mirror KDF and Romulan ships.
For the T6 D'khellra, the warbird is explicitly listed as a product of the Republic. It's not too far fetched to expect that the Republic still produces D'deridex warbirds, hence the skin option. But it's not like players are being told they can't have IRW on any D'deridex, either. They can have IRW on every D'deridex except this newest one which is a Republic-built craft.
If you're RPing an Imperial Romulan, I don't see any injustice being done by not having 'access' to the Republic's newest warbirds.
I have no trouble with customization options. It's just that allowing the IRW prefix on this warbird conflicts directly with the in-game listed information.
I think one simple solution to this problem might be by setting the naming like the Romulan shuttles that way people can type in R.R.W. or I.R.W. if they please
At the end of the day it's a game. and if players want to play that game the way they want to and say they serve the Romulan Star Empire it won't harm anyone. It's a tag that people use on their ships that doesn't force anyone else to use it.
Secondly even if it wasn't listed as a Republic Built ship, I won't start to speak for you, but I get the feeling some (not all) might still rail against it or any other Romulan Warbird being able to use the prefix. But after all unless someone chooses to rp, the Romulan story is just a single player Republic storyline anyway, but Cryptic still tossed a bone to some disappointed players who wanted a Imperial faction by putting in the I.R.W. prefix in and Imperial Uniforms.
Part of this problem is that some people assume the RSE is totally dead and incapable of building anymore new ships. But until I hear otherwise from cryptic, I'll assume that they still can. Barring that it's already been brought up that ships can be stolen and copied.
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Naw, I ain't quite that crazy... yet
It makes perfect sense for most of the warbirds to have the IRW prefix. The D'deridex, T'varo, Dhelan, Mogai, etc... those were all RSE birds. And it was stated that most of the early Republic fleet was made from the birds that their crews defected from the RSE with.
I'm completely supportive of those having the IRW option, because it jives with what Cryptic established in their universe.
Where the break-point is are the new warbirds that are listed as Republic-designed and Republic-built. Giving those the IRW prefix contradicts the in-game lore. And that would include the T6 updates. Sure, you can give the D'khellra a D'deridex skin - but it's still listed as a D'khellra in the status window, and has all the new 'technological advancements' that give it some differences to the old D'deridex.
Basically, I'm looking for internal consistency. I'm not at all against the IRW prefix, I'm just against adding it to warbirds that have been established as unique to the Republic.
Perhaps we can just agree to disagree, that said I do respect your viewpoint. I think think personally that in-game lore has been scrambled and retconned so much (not to mention lockboxes) 'Internal consistency' sorta went out the airlock a little while ago. A change to a tooltip and prefix won't hurt Imo, or just having a rp explanation that either the design schematics for, or one of the new ships were stolen.
If recent Featured episodes show, Nothing is unhackable not even Gaius. Heck the Ha'apax was based on the stolen Prometheus class designs and the Empire stole it, so there is precedent for it. And for newer ships (timeline wise) using the I.R.W. prefix there is a precedent too.(the Dyson science destroyer being one of these.)
But personally I don't care for the current tier system for ships anyway, as it can constantly get 1upped with any new ranks released and it's a in-game mechanic non-native to star trek but thats another topic entirely.
All I want is to be able to fly the endgame Romulan ships I grew up watching with the prefix I know and like.
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It's reasonable for people to RP in an RPG.
The Lockbox ships are, and probably always will be, the biggest smack in the face to consistency for sure.
But obviously not everyone's into that kinda thing. So I can't fault players for wanting to fly around in Jem'Hadar ships and the like. There's nothing wrong with that.
LO-... aww. Poor bugger.
When did I ever say RP wasn't reasonable? I just said that, if you're RPing a Romulan that isn't part of the Republic, it doesn't make sense to have a Republic ship. It makes sense to have one of the ships from the Empire.
The call-out should be for non-Republic ships, like T6 updates to the Tal Shiar Adapted series. They're two separate factions.
It'd be like if I'm RP'ing a Klingon who defected from the KDF to Starfleet. It'd be silly to demand that I still fly a B'rel or a Vor'cha. I should be choosing one of Starfleet's many tactical-oriented ships, or calling on Cryptic to create a KDF-like Starfleet ship.