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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It seems I'm not the only one wondering if there's any plans to release Tier 6 ships that aren't part of some bundle...

    T6 Pathfinder - Intrepid Pack
    T6 Intel Ships, Mat'ha, Aelahl and Guardian and Dauntless - Delta Ops pack
    T6 'Iconic' cruisers - Cross Faction Cruiser pack
    Command Cruisers - faction bundles or Megapack

    And now the Pilot Ships are going to be faction packs or megapack. Except for lock box grand prizes and promotion ships (Winter 2014, Anniversary 2015 and R&D promotions), which were individual ships, every Tier 6 ship issued so far has been part of one bundle or another. Why haven't there been any 'stand-alone' Tier 6 ships released?

    So wait, let me get this straight, the complaint is Cryptic offering people discounts by offering bundles?

    Ahem...lol.
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    robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hmm so thats a defiant type a bop and a T'varo type pity they didnt make it look like those ships as they ould be perfect for pilot ships
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    internetonsetaddinternetonsetadd Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yet another release/promotion/event/ship pack shot into a quagmire of bugs and lag. I think I played ISA once over the dilithium weekend. Tough to work up the energy to care about a new ship pack when I'm barely playing a barely playable game.
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    elementalistgaiaelementalistgaia Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Kinda surprised at a megabundle instead of a one for each like the iconics.

    I kinda think that maybe they'll do what they did with the command ships, make the big 9 ship mega bundle of Cryptic Original ships then later make 3 "iconic" t6 ships with pilot slots, probably there we'll get a t6 Defiant, Bird of Prey, and I dunno for the Romulans, T'liss perhaps.
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    zathri83zathri83 Member Posts: 514 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    How long until the pvpers find these op? :(
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    thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,984 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    Put me in the not buying it until the lag is fixed category. They look cool and I liked the KDF one.

    They are fixing the lag.

    If everyone buys these ships and uses them instead of the Command ships, the lag will disappear and they won't have to do anything. :P
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    hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    They are fixing the lag.

    If everyone buys these ships and uses them instead of the Command ships, the lag will disappear and they won't have to do anything. :P

    And then Pilot ships cause lag with multiple players spamming their immunity-maneuvers; causing the servers to be unable to keep up with the sudden directional switches or adjustments resulting in ghosting, de-syncing, and plenty of other hilarious stuff.
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    ak255ak255 Member Posts: 317 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    Golly, I hope these $30 ships are fast enough to outrun the lag and rubberbanding plaguing the gameplay they're required in.

    Stole the words right out of my mouth! XD

    Also, while I could care less about these ships, I'm really getting sick and tired of Klingon Ships coming with Cloak, Romulans get Battle Cloak, and Feds get no cloak! Don't give me this "giant alliance" BS if were not sharing technology, like how a REAL alliance should in a Galactic war!

    EDIT: Just noticed that in that blog they say that doing a barrel roll is Piloting ability that comes with the ship. Um...we already have that in the Piloting specialization. Is this like a backup to do it twice or something?
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    robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    That fed ship looks like the ugly love child of a Defiant and a Peregrine Fighter with rebellious nose piercings.
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    tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    orangeitis wrote: »
    That makes no sense. You want the ship artists and programmers to not have anything to do while the technicians do just as much work as they'd do if the ship artists and programmers were still doing this stuff...?
    i think the complaint is the company order of priorities. maybe people feel there arent enough people qualified to 'bug fix' on the payroll and cryptic should adjust their departments to account for that...
    So wait, let me get this straight, the complaint is Cryptic offering people discounts by offering bundles?

    Ahem...lol.
    my complaint is that cryptic will likely incentivise the bundle purchase by splitting a single t6 ship into three separate purchasable components...
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    jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    i think the complaint is the company order of priorities. maybe people feel there arent enough people qualified to 'bug fix' on the payroll and cryptic should adjust their departments to account for that...
    So you want them to fire artists and hire more systems programmers? I am sure Tacofangs will appreciate your lovely attitude towards his job and the need for his skillset.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ak255 wrote: »
    Also, while I could care less about these ships
    How much less?
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    acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Am I the only one here who finds it insulting that there's still no free way to get a tier 6 or equivalent ship that isn't some bundle or special? Maybe they should fix THAT first.
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    bogyokillerbogyokiller Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I personally find a bit funny that all new ships and features are available only from C-Store. I am not a F2P player tho spent already on this game, and i love it, and planning on spending in future, even with this freaking lagg. Yeah ofc i would like to play without lagg but, nothing is perfect. Even if the name suggest otherwise :D

    So what i really wanna say is that i think it isnt only me who love to see an upgrade token for the T5/T5-U ships that capable changing BOFF seats. such as just turn an existing one into a chosen Specialisation seat. Because not all of us are so eager to fly those T6 ships. I have both T5-U and T6.. i still sticking with my T5-U fleet versions or even the Scimitar in that matter.
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    jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    acoldt wrote: »
    Am I the only one here who finds it insulting that there's still no free way to get a tier 6 or equivalent ship that isn't some bundle or special? Maybe they should fix THAT first.

    Two free T6 ships now, one more coming this summer, and a 4th in December, and that's not good enough for you. I suspect nothing ever will be.
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    rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    You have no idea how much I wanted to do this.

    Watching the ships use their maneuver abilities is actually pretty frackin' cool. It's a very quick translation in space position that can be done extremely frequently. We're getting some non-static-pictures prepared for ya'll to show off the cool new moves.

    The team is working with customization for the ships once again. So you'll be able to see a lot of translatable parts as you mix-and-match how you design your ship.

    you can always keep asking to buzz the tower!

    also, May 13 is Top Gun Day. Maybe we could have some sort of pilot ship event that day. :)

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    gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    acoldt wrote: »
    Am I the only one here who finds it insulting that there's still no free way to get a tier 6 or equivalent ship that isn't some bundle or special? Maybe they should fix THAT first.

    Looks at free t6 breen carrier, free t6 kobali cruiser.... Yup two free t6 ships actually exist in the game already. Will be a third soon too with the Risa event coming up.

    Also, other than event ships there never were free ships after level 40. The free 50s are linked to subscriptions.
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    sufreasufrea Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I must be the only person that was hoping for an escort/cruiser/sci ship 3-pack, instead of a variant of the same ship. Like what you guys did for the intel ships. Yeah, some folks find that their combat style requires these variants, I both understand and agree, but... what happens if you want to fly an (almost) totally different class of ship?

    The command ship "Inspiration" felt like it should have been applied to the command specialization tree, not a specific set of ships. I suspect these pilot maneuvers will have a very similar feel to them. And end up being a very interesting mechanic that is largely wasted.
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    sharpie65sharpie65 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jaturnley wrote: »
    Two free T6 ships now, one more coming this summer, and a 4th in December, and that's not good enough for you. I suspect nothing ever will be.

    I think the person you just quoted means 'free' as in 'being able to get without effort, cost or other measurement'. Like the Level-40-and-below ships.
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    turbionturbion Member Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I didn't expect yet another pack for each faction. I kinda like the Fed one. The other two look pretty bad, but maybe you can get them to look decent.

    I like those ship maneuvers and if the traits are nice, I'll definitely consider buying one or two of these ships. I've been saving dilithium lately for T6 ships (I only have the Samsar as a T6 ship).
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    sharpie65sharpie65 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The Avenger can get another pass at some point (T6 Intel Avenger? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! :D).

    I would pay for that..but then again, I've bought pretty much very ship so far :P

    Also..Intel/Pilot spec for the 'venger? Can see that one being liked alot, except for the oversaturation of cruisers.
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    doubleohninedoubleohnine Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Is that a Defiant with 4 nose rings? WTF :rolleyes:
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    lingeringsoul888lingeringsoul888 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    will there be an option for a new nose on the fed ship?

    There are 4 pipes exposed and seems the front end just got sliced off with a guillotine.

    Whats the deal with that?

    Just put on a sleek nose to compliment the lines of the ship
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    jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    sharpie65 wrote: »
    I think the person you just quoted means 'free' as in 'being able to get without effort, cost or other measurement'. Like the T4-and-below ships.

    Heh, apparently he's new to this whole "Massively Multiplayer" game genre if he's wanting things just handed to him for showing up. That's what single player games are for.
    will there be an option for a new nose on the fed ship?

    There are 4 pipes exposed and seems the front end just got sliced off with a guillotine.

    Whats the deal with that?

    Just put on a sleek nose to compliment the lines of the ship

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    dheffernandheffernan Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The Federation ship is butt ugly.

    The other two are tolerable.

    The special movement abilities should have been tied to progression in the Pilot tree, not made into pay2win features.
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    sharpie65sharpie65 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Hey, Trendy..can we get moar angles on these beauties please? :)

    Me love Taco and Pals even more long time..and also you :)
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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was going to do a giant quoteball from others that already said it, but just to save space...

    Piloting Maneuvers sound like a ton of fun. I'm assuming that all Piloting Maneuvers share a cooldown to prevent spamming different ones for damage immunity? Along those lines, though... a BoP could really have benefitted from these Piloting Maneuvers, and since the Specialization ship abilities are tied specifically to Specialization ships... that's a major missed opportunity right there.

    Defiant =/= Piloting?
    Any BoP =/= Piloting?
    T'Varo/Dhelan =/= Piloting?
    Really, it's kind of too bad this wasn't a Cross-faction 3-Pack with the ability to use "classic" skins. We'll see about the Starship Traits, but I'm not sure I want/need 9 ships that all have the same Tactical/Piloting seat. While the Command Cruisers (if they didn't also cause lag) would be just fine swapping in Command abilities in place of Engineering, Tactical is generally far more useful... so many of the Piloting abilities are going to be sort of lost by the wayside.

    Reroute Reserves to Weapons might see some use at the Cmdr level, but that's about it given the available Tac options... however, in reviewing the Pilot Bridge Officers blog in light of the ships that would use them...
    Pilot Team
    • Increase the Accuracy and Defense of yourself or a targeted ally, while also granting temporary immunity to movement-impairing effects.
    • **This ability shares a cooldown category with other “Team” type abilities, but also benefits from effects that enhance existing “Team” abilities.
    ...does that mean "Team" abilities are getting their shared cooldown put back, or is it that Pilot Team will trigger cooldown on every other "Team" ability but the others will be left alone? In either case... nobody's going to be using Pilot Team if it's putting Tac Team on cooldown, and even less so if it's putting all "Teams" on cooldown.

    These might end up being something I hold off for at the moment, instead hoping for a nice Pilot-themed Iconics #2 Cross-faction 3-Pack with a non-Tactical Lt Cmdr Hybrid/Pilot seat. Specifically one with a decent BoP... but again, if anything fits the Piloting Maneuvers mechanic it's a BoP, and that mechanic is stuck on these things...

    I also really hope the Raptor doesn't go the Defiant->Qin route with performance... somehow that ended up being less than the sum of its parts.

    I was really looking forward to these, but a 9-Pack that can't use "classic" skins, has no BoP, and burns its Hybrid/Pilot seat on Tac for all variants... *sigh* we'll see.
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    No honestly...this makes me laugh so hard, so no other ship
    ...
    C cant go reverse....bodly going forward because.....

    Benthans... freakin' incredible at going in reverse :P
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    acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    dheffernan wrote: »
    The Federation ship is butt ugly.

    The other two are tolerable.

    The special movement abilities should have been tied to progression in the Pilot tree, not made into pay2win features.

    Actually, I've been playing this particular game for far longer than you. I've just seen the persistent movement to push the free to players out of the end game by adding consistently more powerful ships for real money only. Season 9 hit it particularly hard by not adding top tier ship that's easy to receive, like the free tier 5's Sovereign, Neghvar, and the like at level 40. They weren't the best ships, but they could compete at top tier. They had the health pools, they had the bridge officer slots, and they had the firepower. There's no such thing for tier 6. It's bad for long term game health, and will kill the in game population if it continues. I'm not one of said free to players, but I've noticed the decline.
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    tomtomhoteptomtomhotep Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So what i really wanna say is that i think it isnt only me who love to see an upgrade token for the T5/T5-U ships that capable changing BOFF seats. such as just turn an existing one into a chosen Specialisation seat. Because not all of us are so eager to fly those T6 ships. I have both T5-U and T6.. i still sticking with my T5-U fleet versions or even the Scimitar in that matter.


    I agree totally. I was just going to post a similar comment. There should be an upgrade token for maybe 500 Zen to replace one of your current BOFF seats with a new one, whether it be a specialization seat or not. Just to customize your ship.
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