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  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    finally a galaxy with a good boff layout....+1 cryptic methinks you got the galaxy right this time...........
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Delta rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it.

    There was no excessive grinding, any nerfs or un-fair prices to upgrading. What, only a few million dil for some copy-paste text in a 15 min notepad job?


    But yeah keep whaling it and do some more neckbeard jokes about the dead queues and your beloved developers hiding from the community in shame.


    I hope the dil rate keeps going up, I hope they nerf leveling exp and rewards constantly, I want to seem them continue on the same path and ruin the game for everyone who isn't a straight up desperate star trek fanatic
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    aureleus wrote: »
    In just the last few hours the Dilithium Exchange has jumped from the low 200s to now as of typing this to the mid 230s and continues to rise.


    Anyone else agree that this is a bit absurd ? I mean hell even with the dil per kill that the Delta Recruits have for the event, they don't get enough per kill to mess with the pricing like this, 1-2 dil per kill lolz.

    Looks like I'll be holding on to my Dilithium for awhile :/.

    WTF are ppl smoking to think these prices are justified ? o.O.

    Ive stopped exchanging dil and use it for my fleets projects or rep gear but not for the exchange unless im transfering it between toons.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Last time I used dil for zen was in the 160 range. Since then I hadn't touched it. I don't care if it goes to 500+. I will not buy it. There is other places my Dil will be better used. crafting, upgrading, reps, is where mine is going.
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  • killalljedikillalljedi Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Good thing I managed to grind enough Dil to buy 10K Zen (and have about 1 miillion Dil as well yet to be converted), which I'm going to sit on till I see something worth buying. Not impressed with the Intel and Command ships, but I'll see if the Pilot ones look good or not.
    farmallm wrote: »
    Last time I used dil for zen was in the 160 range. Since then I hadn't touched it. I don't care if it goes to 500+. I will not buy it. There is other places my Dil will be better used. crafting, upgrading, reps, is where mine is going.

    Agreed. I feel sorry for those who are just starting up STO during this Delta Recruitment period. They're gonna get so hosed.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Agreed. I feel sorry for those who are just starting up STO during this Delta Recruitment period. They're gonna get so hosed.


    Very true, as many players don't have that kind of Dil. Even myself rarely hit the cap. Only time I hit the cap is from a Rep turn in, or the Dil event. For now this is for the rich players to use. Not the poor guy like myself.

    So until then I have other stuff to use my Dil on. My Fed just completed an upgrade project for a new build to play with. My KDF is getting ready to upgrade his ship weapons. And my Romulan just bought a nice Romulan Senate Robe. Now she is eyeing the Dyson outfit soon as she builds up Dil for it. After helping out the Fleet for those marks. These items are a lot cheaper to acquire.
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    vestereng wrote: »
    Delta rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it.

    There was no excessive grinding, any nerfs or un-fair prices to upgrading. What, only a few million dil for some copy-paste text in a 15 min notepad job?


    But yeah keep whaling it and do some more neckbeard jokes about the dead queues and your beloved developers hiding from the community in shame.


    I hope the dil rate keeps going up, I hope they nerf leveling exp and rewards constantly, I want to seem them continue on the same path and ruin the game for everyone who isn't a straight up desperate star trek fanatic

    Typically incoherent ramblings as always I see... At least you're consistent...
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  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    This is the back swing of the pendulum.
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  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Typical developer apologist...

    The total nerf of everything with DR is a fact, right?

    They nerfed rewards, passives, dil, EC but also leveling exp - is it co-herent so far?


    Then came "upgrading", in where LoR gave you 13 ships with animations, models and assets, DR was a 15 copy-paste job, that is to say text only, with absolutely zero effort put into it.

    The cost of which was several million dil in comparison to the first expansion that was free for something that is essentially the emperor's new clothes - upgrading doesn't exist, it isn't something, it isn't anything.

    Upgrading is some numbers moved around in notepad. There are no animations, no models, no assets and no work put into it. Zero.
    In so far as the developer behind it even used those exact words himself "it wasn't just copy-pasting text"... we had to actually think about what we were pasting!!!1


    So, what that meant was, only neckbeard fanatics left now, those who have to play and will pay 500$ a month happily, 300$ if they are upset.


    Then what I say is, do your neckbeard jokes about the dead queues and the quality of the game, the numbers don't lie but the weak gameplay can't be lied away either.

    I want all prices to go up, including the dil exchange, so everyone can see what happens Larry
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    vestereng wrote: »
    Typical developer apologist...

    The total nerf of everything with DR is a fact, right?

    They nerfed rewards, passives, dil, EC but also leveling exp - is it co-herent so far?


    Then came "upgrading", in where LoR gave you 13 ships with animations, models and assets, DR was a 15 copy-paste job, that is to say text only, with absolutely zero effort put into it.

    The cost of which was several million dil in comparison to the first expansion that was free for something that is essentially the emperor's new clothes - upgrading doesn't exist, it isn't something, it isn't anything.

    Upgrading is some numbers moved around in notepad. There are no animations, no models, no assets and no work put into it. Zero.
    In so far as the developer behind it even used those exact words himself "it wasn't just copy-pasting text"... we had to actually think about what we were pasting!!!1


    So, what that meant was, only neckbeard fanatics left now, those who have to play and will pay 500$ a month happily, 300$ if they are upset.


    Then what I say is, do your neckbeard jokes about the dead queues and the quality of the game, the numbers don't lie but the weak gameplay can't be lied away either.

    I want all prices to go up, including the dil exchange, so everyone can see what happens Larry

    Do you still play this game?

    I ask because you are by far the loudest voice on the forums bashing the game. Don't get me wrong I.don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said, I'm just curious.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    vestereng wrote: »
    They nerfed rewards, passives, dil, EC but also leveling exp - is it co-herent so far?
    To be fair to Cryptic, they boosted the XP from queues and added Dil to Mission rewards recently. So not exactly a nerf, but not quite the boost everyone has hoped for. Still, better than before; where running queues gave TRIBBLE XP no matter how new or old it was and Dil was only available from mining and Doffing religiously.

    Maybe not very noticeable for those already sitting on piles of it, but DR players have a ticket to easy street upgrading since they have the event-only extra Dil bonus. And will not have much need to buy Dilithium.
  • ailmereailmere Member Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    What was the lowest price for ZEN? So I have a better understanding of the Dilithium dilemma.
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ailmere wrote: »
    What was the lowest price for ZEN? So I have a better understanding of the Dilithium dilemma.

    I've seen it in the 80s. I don't watch it all that closely though.
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  • scrooge69scrooge69 Member Posts: 1,108 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Welcome to the good'ol days when dilithium to zen was at the 280+ rates...

    Not absurd... Just economics at its best...

    It'll go up more than what it is... :)

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    doesnt any1 remember when it was 550+??
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  • ailmereailmere Member Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Let's be thankful it is only almost triple the lowest recorded amount.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Complaining about the cost on a player run and driven market then expect pwe to do something about it. please tell me more.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    "We finally have reasonable dilithium exchange rates!" was my reaction on hearing this news. It makes sense though, dilithium is in high demand again with all the new toons.

    The new toons pretty much supply their own dilithium needs... and then some extra.

    The smart play, unless I miss my guess, will be to stockpile dilithium and then use crafting to get that stockpile earning for you in the weapons trade.
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ailmere wrote: »
    What was the lowest price for ZEN? So I have a better understanding of the Dilithium dilemma.

    The lowest I can remember it ever going is 85. The floor is 25 and the ceiling is 500. It was at 100 for ages, then it moved up to 120-30 range, then up to 160s. This recent jump though to the low 200s is quite something. It will peter out of course and prices will settle again.
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  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    you mean everone whining about upgrade costs were over-reacting? on this forum? naaaawww

    no way that could happen :D

    More like people realized how insanely expensive getting all their gear to epic would be, and most everyone gave up and choose to use their dil for other things.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    A few things I've thought about concerning the recent upswing in Dilithium costs for Zen.

    - Since there are now so many more ways to acquire it ingame, does this devalue Dilithium?
    - If, as some have alleged, Cryptic is involved in tinkering with the Dilithium Exchange, wouldn't they tend to leave it a a fixed price which benefits selling Zen purchases? Such as a Ratio of 1,000 Dilithium to 1 Zen?
    - Since the Dilithium Exchange prices appear to fluctuate up and down based upon the availability of Dilithium in game, is this a sign of normal market processes and pressures?
    - Do those who have an interest in complaining about the cost of Zen on the Exchange have difficulties acquiring Dilithium?
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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    230 absurd? lol

    Clearly you weren't around when it was 400+ in Season 6...
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  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    230 absurd? lol

    Clearly you weren't around when it was 400+ in Season 6...

    But was it Zen at that point? -- at some point it was converted to Zen. The monetary unit we has was exchanged at a rate of 1.25, but I dont remember which way. Maybe that was later on.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    - If, as some have alleged, Cryptic is involved in tinkering with the Dilithium Exchange, wouldn't they tend to leave it a a fixed price which benefits selling Zen purchases? Such as a Ratio of 1,000 Dilithium to 1 Zen?

    I'm going to say no because you still need for there to be a supply of dilithium to make selling Zen viable. If you fix the price at 1k too few people will farm dilithium for the purpose of selling it to offset the increase of dilithium buyers that comes with the increase in zen's perceived value against dilithium. The end result would end up being a dilithium shortage that discourages players to buy.

    Now you can alleviate that by having the game's own servers generate the dilithium to fulfill demand, tinfoil hats on, they could be doing that already and we would have no way of knowing. But then you get to problem 2, if you manually set a high exchange price, or artificially flood the market with dilithium, you reduce the amount of real money people need to spend to accomplish their dilithium based goals. And dilithium is a goal based currency like any others, people only need dilithium until they have enough. If the current exchange price is 250/1, rather than 1000/1, then I have to spend 4 times the real world cash to accomplish my goals, if I was hypothetically willing to do that at 250 as well as 1000, then to recoupe the loss of income the higher rate of exchange would need to draw in 3 more customers. And even if it does that, they've given away 4 times as much product just to get the same amount of money.

    These things tend to operate on a bell curve where the optimal point of return is not at either extreme. So don't take the lack of extreme market manipulation to be evidence that there is no market manipulation.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    The lowest I can remember it ever going is 85. The floor is 25 and the ceiling is 500. It was at 100 for ages, then it moved up to 120-30 range, then up to 160s. This recent jump though to the low 200s is quite something. It will peter out of course and prices will settle again.

    Don't count on it any time soon. They have yet to announce the piloting ships. That will put another 20 points pressure on zen.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    talonxv wrote: »
    Complaining about the cost on a player run and driven market then expect pwe to do something about it. please tell me more.
    Except as I explained here...
    starswordc wrote: »
    Well, obviously it's being influenced by the developers. :rolleyes:

    It's not rocket science. They just did a Crystalline Entity event, which pushes a glut of dilithium into the system. Greater supply of dil, same supply of zen, zen price rises. Then they release a three-pack of ships that people have been asking for for literally years, and put out incentives to make more toons, which for silver players (maybe golds, too) means buying character slots and sometimes species, meaning people want zen to pay for all these new goodies. Greater demand for zen, zen price rises.

    Macroeconomics in action, ladies and germs.
    ... it isn't actually completely player-run and -driven. If the dil/zen exchange is the US economy, Cryptic is kinda like the Federal Reserve (except the Fed doesn't set the prices of goods).
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  • lored2deathlored2death Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    It's supply vs demand. Really simple economics. Get used to it. It's not a dev conspiracy or anything.

    This. For all the dil added to the game, it hasn't matched that less players are refining less dil overall so it becomes more rare and the price goes up. Econ 101.

    The dil sinks *are* atrocious vs. time played and the addition of dil was meant to try and mitigate players leaving. I have news for you folks...adding *another* huge dil sink like a fleet holding will cause the exchange rate to climb even further.

    On the positive side for Cryptic and the players, costs going to 230+ will keep money rolling into STO as players have the ability to get great rates on buying dil with cash. The only players this actually hurts are those who haven't been spending any real cash on the game.
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  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I have news for you folks...adding *another* huge dil sink like a fleet holding will cause the exchange rate to climb even further.

    So less dil will cause the exchange rate to climb? . . . and more dil makes the exchange climb . . .
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