If Gaius is who is the same Gaius on the Lleiset, then he may have been a Tal Shiar plant since his "liberation" by the Republic. He may have been secretly working with the Tal Shiar to do whatever it is that they want to do. In any case, if he was responsible, then he'll pay the price for it...
Tal Shirar was under Hakeev's control... not Sela. She and Hakeev didnt see eye to eye on things. She viewed Hakeev as an enemy but couldnt move against him cause of his backing and control of Tal Shirar.
Would be similar to how Russian military felt about the KGB or German military command view on the Gestapo during WW2.
After the disgraceful way the Republic behaved in incarcerating her I can't say I'm sorry to see her escape.
You mean the fact that people were complaining about her not having legal representation and here we see that she is in fact in possession of legal counsel and beginning her due process?
And as soon as someone gave her the damn book she wanted she used it to escape at the first available opportunity?
That's two major Romulan POWs that have escaped custody in as many years. Clearly, we're not doing something right.
Shame about Gaius. He reminded me of Malcolm Reed.
Indeed, I liked Gaius quite a bit.
Sad thing for his voice actor? I wonder what kind of deal for the cheap the California Voice Actors got to cut out the rest of the country. And with that cutting out Lani Minella does that mean no more Admiral T'Nae? She also voiced some Enterprise crew. What's going on here?
What if this is all a trick? Sela wasn't being very cooperative during her interrogation and they honestly should have known she would try something like this anyway. They could have set it up so that she would "escape" and then what she does next could tell them what they want to know. She probably wouldn't fall for a holodeck, so they'd have to let her think she's escaping for real. But instead of running away with Imperial loyalists, she's actually still in the hands of the Republic.
I would love to see the look on her face when she found out, especially from the Republic's point of view because this could be payback for everything she did to the player in "Mind Games".
That is a distinct possiblity. The Archer Act plan is pretty solid. All you have to do is let Sela think for herself and play along.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
That's two major Romulan POWs that have escaped custody in as many years. Clearly, we're not doing something right.
Shame about Gaius. He reminded me of Malcolm Reed.
Refresh my memory, who was number 2?
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Seriously, how did they not think she would do something like this with the PADD?
How could anyone allow her to even have one, let alone bring it out of her cell?
Idiots running the prison over there, clearly.
Everyone read the report of Spock, Data und Picard being left alone in a room with a holo-emitter and computer access. How could one know that Sela would actually start to appreciate technology?
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Taris escaped from facility 4028 via Iconian Portal while we were fighting Kar'ukan's disobedient TRIBBLE.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Tal Shirar was under Hakeev's control... not Sela. She and Hakeev didnt see eye to eye on things. She viewed Hakeev as an enemy but couldnt move against him cause of his backing and control of Tal Shirar.
Would be similar to how Russian military felt about the KGB or German military command view on the Gestapo during WW2.
That may be the case, but the fact remains that she's still the head of state, and the Tal Shiar's still part of the state, so what I said previously could still happen.
You mean the fact that people were complaining about her not having legal representation and here we see that she is in fact in possession of legal counsel and beginning her due process?
And as soon as someone gave her the damn book she wanted she used it to escape at the first available opportunity?
Ugh, I know right? We really couldn't win in this situation. On the one hand, we had certain Starfleet officers (and a few misguided Republic officers) whining about basic human rights, and on the other, this incident proves that we should have been even less lenient with her than we already were, and so we now have people calling the Republic incompetent. -_-
The other thought that came to me is, what if Sela didn't actually escape? Maybe there was some need for her but the Republic couldn't risk outright using her due to the outrage it would cause. This could all be a setup and Gaius is just following orders. It would be very...Romulan.
This would be an incredibly awesome twist, but yeah, the news about Gaius's voice actor probably means this isn't the direction they went with it.
I really hope that it turns out Gaius was just programmed by the Tal'shiar and/or Imperialists via his remaining Borg implants, and that he didn't really partake in this whole plot willingly.
As for Sela, I'm getting the feeling that even when we catch up with her, she's finally gonna show us what the Iconians are up to, and be like, "See? I'm not the real enemy here."
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
And this is why you treat prisoners with dignity. Sela gave us nothing worth knowing because she was in an environment that fed her arrogance. Brilliant.
Stupid future soviet space drow.
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And things become more interesting. We know the Tal Shiar has been experimenting with 'reprogramming' people; perhaps this has advanced to the point where the subjects are genuinely unaware of such conditioning, or even carrying it out (see the concept of espionage droids over in Star Wars) - Selek and Gaius could easily be a pair of examples (with the Borg implants making such a job even easier on the latter).
Now, let us consider another question: who else would have an interest in springing Sela from custody (and, of course, leave the Romulan Star Empire as the obvious suspect)?
Whatever the answer, the game is afoot; it's best to be on the trail before it grows cold.
... seems she needs to be kept in the transporterbuffer between interviews ...
Oooh, the Jenolan solution. Practical and effective but I am sure someone would scream "cruel and unusual." Then again if we could get a recommendation from Scotty...
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Really hoping it's a genuine betrayal from Gaius. I'd be disappointed if it just turned out to be Sela having control over him through his Borg Implants.
AA-HA! Yes! You know who's behind this? Section 31. So easy it would be to believe that the Tal-Shiar would do this, but with Sela in prison, and Hakeev dead, they are nothing more than a shred of a once powerful intelligence outfit. Section 31 on the other hand, they haven't liked this alliance from the start. Starfleet has been slow to react and far too trusting from the beginning. Section 31 saw to it to release her. They'll track her movements, find the Elachi leader, interrogate him/her for information on locating and infiltrating the Iconians.
Ugh, I know right? We really couldn't win in this situation. On the one hand, we had certain Starfleet officers (and a few misguided Republic officers) whining about basic human rights, and on the other, this incident proves that we should have been even less lenient with her than we already were, and so we now have people calling the Republic incompetent. -_-
I mean I'm not advocating torture, but transporting her like Dr. Lecter wouldn't really have been out of place.
This would be an incredibly awesome twist, but yeah, the news about Gaius's voice actor probably means this isn't the direction they went with it.
I really hope that it turns out Gaius was just programmed by the Tal'shiar and/or Imperialists via his remaining Borg implants, and that he didn't really partake in this whole plot willingly.
As for Sela, I'm getting the feeling that even when we catch up with her, she's finally gonna show us what the Iconians are up to, and be like, "See? I'm not the real enemy here."
We already know that there's a bigger fish than her, she just wants to be seen as the hero.
And this is why you treat prisoners with dignity. Sela gave us nothing worth knowing because she was in an environment that fed her arrogance. Brilliant.
Stupid future soviet space drow.
As opposed to torturing her and making her vengeful and she still escapes because she had moles in the guards and moles on the Republic Flagship?
She was treated with the dignity due a high threat security risk. She received her books and she used them to escape, she received her counsel and didn't avail herself of it.
Face it, she never had any intention of cooperating, because she had every intention to escape.
And things become more interesting. We know the Tal Shiar has been experimenting with 'reprogramming' people; perhaps this has advanced to the point where the subjects are genuinely unaware of such conditioning, or even carrying it out (see the concept of espionage droids over in Star Wars) - Selek and Gaius could easily be a pair of examples (with the Borg implants making such a job even easier on the latter).
Has advanced? That's an absolutely ridiculous question.
It had reached that level 40 years ago when Sela and her friends brainwashed Geordi La Forge to make him their Manchurian Candidate. It took intensive psychological therapy for him to even remember that he hadn't gone to the conference he was on his way to at all.
Now, let us consider another question: who else would have an interest in springing Sela from custody (and, of course, leave the Romulan Star Empire as the obvious suspect)?
Whatever the answer, the game is afoot; it's best to be on the trail before it grows cold.
Well clearly Seken was in on it.
This also reestablishes that the Romulan Star Empire persists, and its military is still active.
AA-HA! Yes! You know who's behind this? Section 31. So easy it would be to believe that the Tal-Shiar would do this, but with Sela in prison, and Hakeev dead, they are nothing more than a shred of a once powerful intelligence outfit. Section 31 on the other hand, they haven't liked this alliance from the start. Starfleet has been slow to react and far too trusting from the beginning. Section 31 saw to it to release her. They'll track her movements, find the Elachi leader, interrogate him/her for information on locating and infiltrating the Iconians.
HAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAHAHAHA
Section 31 interrogate the Iconians, that's a good one.
I'd like to see them keep one in holding five minutes longer than it wants to be there without opening a portal and leaving while waving good bye and handwaving that spy out of existence like High Council.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
I'm incensed. Not at the story. At the writer - which ought to be Kestrel.
Why? Because this whole scheme broke my suspension of disbelief along with several hopes and cues I hoped Cryptic would rise up to.
Suspension of disbelief? Because I wanted to see the Republic portrayed competently. Because I saw hamhanded ways of handling her when it's been proven that the player character (especially if Romulan/Reman) ought to have been kept in the loop.
As for my hopes... Sela's trial could've been a perfect opportunity to generate assets on New Romulus. Some city would've been nice, but I wasn't aiming that high. Just a senate chamber would've been fantastic. But noooooo.
Gaius? Sela? I don't mind them much. Sela is taking her fate in her own hands, given the window of opportunity the previously portrayed incompetence showed. Gaius is more of a surprise, but it falls pretty flat for me. As I said before, my suspension of disbelief was pretty badly trood on here.
After having written this... I'm feeling jaded/bored here too, I guess. I'm not sure I care to see how this follows up next thursday.
Section 31 interrogate the Iconians, that's a good one.
I'd like to see them keep one in holding five minutes longer than it wants to be there without opening a portal and leaving while waving good bye and handwaving that spy out of existence like High Council.
Notice I said interrogate Elachi and infiltrate Iconian ranks.
Seriously!? How the hell would there even be any of Sela's agents left!? This makes no sense and come literally out of no where. The last time you deal with enemy Romulans was in the Romulan Reputation missions on New Romulas. That's been over for YEARS! And now all of the sudden, Sela escapes with the help of some Romulans that for some reason were still loyal to her? For what!? She was considered dead/missing for a while now!
Also, how exactly is this gonna create a war? Aren't we talking about like a few Romulans against the entire alliance of the New Republic, the Federation, AND the Klingon Empire!? Seriously, what is the point of this!?
Seriously!? How the hell would there even be any of Sela's agents left!? This makes no sense and come literally out of no where. The last time you deal with enemy Romulans was in the Romulan Reputation missions on New Romulas. That's been over for YEARS! And now all of the sudden, Sela escapes with the help of some Romulans that for some reason were still loyal to her? For what!? She was considered dead/missing for a while now!
Also, how exactly is this gonna create a war? Aren't we talking about like a few Romulans against the entire alliance of the New Republic, the Federation, AND the Klingon Empire!? Seriously, what is the point of this!?
Do you remember Sloan? We got a truly eerie glimpse into the mind of just one agent of Section 31. I'm telling you, Section 31 is involved with this jailbreak. Or, since the story line is taking a temporal twist, it's possible the goal here is to use Sela/Tasha to win this war and successfully alter the timeline to return Tasha to the bridge of the Enterprise, without it triggering an all out war with the Klingons.
Well, Cryptic deserves credit for paying attention to the forum arguments and nitpicking, than addressing them in the plot.
On a different note, I suspect that Gaius' involvement was shoehorned in as a chance to get rid of him. It's very unlikely that this was the original plan for his plot. On the other hand, I don't think they had any real plans for what to do with him before this.
Seriously!? How the hell would there even be any of Sela's agents left!? This makes no sense and come literally out of no where. The last time you deal with enemy Romulans was in the Romulan Reputation missions on New Romulas. That's been over for YEARS! And now all of the sudden, Sela escapes with the help of some Romulans that for some reason were still loyal to her? For what!? She was considered dead/missing for a while now!
Also, how exactly is this gonna create a war? Aren't we talking about like a few Romulans against the entire alliance of the New Republic, the Federation, AND the Klingon Empire!? Seriously, what is the point of this!?
No one said anything about this restarting the Romulan Civil War. It's gonna be simple. Sela escaped, evidently with the help of Gaius Selan. We or someone else is gonna track her down, recapture her, and likely Gaius is gonna be KIA in the process.
Jarok's gonna be pissed.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I'm incensed. Not at the story. At the writer - which ought to be Kestrel.
Why? Because this whole scheme broke my suspension of disbelief along with several hopes and cues I hoped Cryptic would rise up to.
Suspension of disbelief? Because I wanted to see the Republic portrayed competently. Because I saw hamhanded ways of handling her when it's been proven that the player character (especially if Romulan/Reman) ought to have been kept in the loop.
This is something that has been bugging me for awhile, as well. I hate pulling the "It's because of bad writing!" card, because it can feel like a cop-out, but yeah, the Republic was essentially handed the Idiot Ball for these two mini-stories simply to make Sela look good and get her out of custody in time for the next feature episode.
There were probably a lot better ways to accomplish this from a writing perspective, and doing so without making the Republic seem entirely incompetent, but I guess Cryptic lacks the writers who could have accomplished that, especially in the, to be fair, limited space provided in the shorter blogs they've been using to tell this story.
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
My Fed main and Jarok have an understanding concerning Sela, look forward to working with her again though strictly as a Federation "observer"
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I knew I should have left Tiaru pull the trigger and pretend an Elachi did this...
The Romulan Republic security is doing one heck of a job!
Just to recap:
-2 groups of them nearly killed each other on the devastated Virinat because they grabbed the idiot ball (Memory Lane)
-they nearly destroyed their homeworld with an Iconian gate despite every veteran (including one who saw 2 gates) saying it was an awful idea (Sphere of Influence)
-they nearly shattered the Alliance by trying to claim the Jenolan Sphere as theirs just because (A Step Between Stars)
-they managed to get their flagship hijacked (Capture the Flag)
-and when they have the public enemy n°1 in custody, they manage to lose her by breaking every ounce of common sense.
*does the Picard's hand-to-forehead maneuver*
If Gaius is indeed a traitor, I'm gonna have a "nice" talk with him, face-to-face, former Borg to former Borg, and maybe with my Caitian claws and my 8' 7'' tall Gorn friend.
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Tal Shirar was under Hakeev's control... not Sela. She and Hakeev didnt see eye to eye on things. She viewed Hakeev as an enemy but couldnt move against him cause of his backing and control of Tal Shirar.
Would be similar to how Russian military felt about the KGB or German military command view on the Gestapo during WW2.
And as soon as someone gave her the damn book she wanted she used it to escape at the first available opportunity? Gaius Selan.
Damn, that's sad.
Indeed, I liked Gaius quite a bit.
Sad thing for his voice actor? I wonder what kind of deal for the cheap the California Voice Actors got to cut out the rest of the country. And with that cutting out Lani Minella does that mean no more Admiral T'Nae? She also voiced some Enterprise crew. What's going on here?
That is a distinct possiblity. The Archer Act plan is pretty solid. All you have to do is let Sela think for herself and play along.
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Refresh my memory, who was number 2?
Everyone read the report of Spock, Data und Picard being left alone in a room with a holo-emitter and computer access. How could one know that Sela would actually start to appreciate technology?
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Taris escaped from facility 4028 via Iconian Portal while we were fighting Kar'ukan's disobedient TRIBBLE.
Ugh, I know right? We really couldn't win in this situation. On the one hand, we had certain Starfleet officers (and a few misguided Republic officers) whining about basic human rights, and on the other, this incident proves that we should have been even less lenient with her than we already were, and so we now have people calling the Republic incompetent. -_-
This would be an incredibly awesome twist, but yeah, the news about Gaius's voice actor probably means this isn't the direction they went with it.
I really hope that it turns out Gaius was just programmed by the Tal'shiar and/or Imperialists via his remaining Borg implants, and that he didn't really partake in this whole plot willingly.
As for Sela, I'm getting the feeling that even when we catch up with her, she's finally gonna show us what the Iconians are up to, and be like, "See? I'm not the real enemy here."
Stupid future soviet space drow.
As the seventy-fourth Rule of Acquisition clearly states, knowledge equals profit. And I am a very rich Ferengi.
Now, let us consider another question: who else would have an interest in springing Sela from custody (and, of course, leave the Romulan Star Empire as the obvious suspect)?
Whatever the answer, the game is afoot; it's best to be on the trail before it grows cold.
Seriously, Counsel?
LOL
Makes for a good story thou.
Oooh, the Jenolan solution.
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I mean I'm not advocating torture, but transporting her like Dr. Lecter wouldn't really have been out of place.
We already know that there's a bigger fish than her, she just wants to be seen as the hero.
As opposed to torturing her and making her vengeful and she still escapes because she had moles in the guards and moles on the Republic Flagship?
She was treated with the dignity due a high threat security risk. She received her books and she used them to escape, she received her counsel and didn't avail herself of it.
Face it, she never had any intention of cooperating, because she had every intention to escape.
Has advanced? That's an absolutely ridiculous question.
It had reached that level 40 years ago when Sela and her friends brainwashed Geordi La Forge to make him their Manchurian Candidate. It took intensive psychological therapy for him to even remember that he hadn't gone to the conference he was on his way to at all.
Well clearly Seken was in on it.
This also reestablishes that the Romulan Star Empire persists, and its military is still active.
HAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAHAHAHA
Section 31 interrogate the Iconians, that's a good one.
I'd like to see them keep one in holding five minutes longer than it wants to be there without opening a portal and leaving while waving good bye and handwaving that spy out of existence like High Council.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Wait, I do.
I'm incensed. Not at the story. At the writer - which ought to be Kestrel.
Why? Because this whole scheme broke my suspension of disbelief along with several hopes and cues I hoped Cryptic would rise up to.
Suspension of disbelief? Because I wanted to see the Republic portrayed competently. Because I saw hamhanded ways of handling her when it's been proven that the player character (especially if Romulan/Reman) ought to have been kept in the loop.
As for my hopes... Sela's trial could've been a perfect opportunity to generate assets on New Romulus. Some city would've been nice, but I wasn't aiming that high. Just a senate chamber would've been fantastic. But noooooo.
Gaius? Sela? I don't mind them much. Sela is taking her fate in her own hands, given the window of opportunity the previously portrayed incompetence showed. Gaius is more of a surprise, but it falls pretty flat for me. As I said before, my suspension of disbelief was pretty badly trood on here.
After having written this... I'm feeling jaded/bored here too, I guess. I'm not sure I care to see how this follows up next thursday.
Notice I said interrogate Elachi and infiltrate Iconian ranks.
Also, how exactly is this gonna create a war? Aren't we talking about like a few Romulans against the entire alliance of the New Republic, the Federation, AND the Klingon Empire!? Seriously, what is the point of this!?
Do you remember Sloan? We got a truly eerie glimpse into the mind of just one agent of Section 31. I'm telling you, Section 31 is involved with this jailbreak. Or, since the story line is taking a temporal twist, it's possible the goal here is to use Sela/Tasha to win this war and successfully alter the timeline to return Tasha to the bridge of the Enterprise, without it triggering an all out war with the Klingons.
On a different note, I suspect that Gaius' involvement was shoehorned in as a chance to get rid of him. It's very unlikely that this was the original plan for his plot. On the other hand, I don't think they had any real plans for what to do with him before this.
No one said anything about this restarting the Romulan Civil War. It's gonna be simple. Sela escaped, evidently with the help of Gaius Selan. We or someone else is gonna track her down, recapture her, and likely Gaius is gonna be KIA in the process.
Jarok's gonna be pissed.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
This is something that has been bugging me for awhile, as well. I hate pulling the "It's because of bad writing!" card, because it can feel like a cop-out, but yeah, the Republic was essentially handed the Idiot Ball for these two mini-stories simply to make Sela look good and get her out of custody in time for the next feature episode.
There were probably a lot better ways to accomplish this from a writing perspective, and doing so without making the Republic seem entirely incompetent, but I guess Cryptic lacks the writers who could have accomplished that, especially in the, to be fair, limited space provided in the shorter blogs they've been using to tell this story.
My Fed main and Jarok have an understanding concerning Sela, look forward to working with her again though strictly as a Federation "observer"
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The Romulan Republic security is doing one heck of a job!
Just to recap:
-2 groups of them nearly killed each other on the devastated Virinat because they grabbed the idiot ball (Memory Lane)
-they nearly destroyed their homeworld with an Iconian gate despite every veteran (including one who saw 2 gates) saying it was an awful idea (Sphere of Influence)
-they nearly shattered the Alliance by trying to claim the Jenolan Sphere as theirs just because (A Step Between Stars)
-they managed to get their flagship hijacked (Capture the Flag)
-and when they have the public enemy n°1 in custody, they manage to lose her by breaking every ounce of common sense.
*does the Picard's hand-to-forehead maneuver*
If Gaius is indeed a traitor, I'm gonna have a "nice" talk with him, face-to-face, former Borg to former Borg, and maybe with my Caitian claws and my 8' 7'' tall Gorn friend.