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  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    wast33 wrote: »
    ... and now just imagine once that he's one of the germans who don't use english client nor site...
    as u seem to be one that defends such bs, i gotta tell u: bs stays bs, no matter in what color one paints it...

    moarthannghtimechangingsyaddayadda.... we're talking about a "professional" company providing a good allover the world (lol), aren't we? is that a performance u think fits such a company?

    do u even got a bug (or a ton of other outdated TRIBBLE now)?

    I had a T5 Bug in package. It went from being 380m EC or so to 300m. Not a fun hit for an investment. Hence why I sold it and now own a Sheshar.

    And the T6 JHSS does obsolete most of my Lobi ships - I have multiple Temporal Destroyers, and the JHSS can run the same boff abilities AND OSS. Hence why I would, obviously, have preferred an outcome that gave us T6 JHASes.

    As for the "well, the German blog said" - Well, STO is still created by individuals residing in the United States of America, and thus the English version would be controlling, I suspect. Unless Dutch law says otherwise.

    I did implicitly concede that the language used by Cryptic was bull**** ("in what way is "weasel words" a complement?), but I still disagree with the idea that Cryptic acted maliciously or other ill intent.
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ceekayzero wrote: »
    I'm sorry you misread the initial blog when it said "T6 capabilities" as including "all T6 capabilities",
    Do you spin for government PR or something? Even Dubya or Bill Clinton would pull you aside and tell you that no one is going to buy that. :confused:

    Wait... now I get it: You're trolling. Doing so very effectively, I might add.


    Well done, you really had me going there for a while. :rolleyes:
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  • teuteburgteuteburg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Hi!

    There is a old german saying:

    No matter how you dress a goat it stays a goat!

    You split hairs by refusing to see they lied to us....

    And what is this bizzare "all T6 capabilities" if not T6.

    I will not buy a car with "all 250hp capabilities" which has 50hp afterwards....

    Why do you defend such an obvious cheating towards us?

    You are not getting paid by them?

    Greetz Siegfried
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  • megacharge07megacharge07 Member Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Look, I understand a lot of people are angry and mad. They got duped and I can totally understand where they're coming from with this anger. Only thing I wonder is are you all going to continue just crying about it and hope your situation magically fixes itself? or will you actually DO something about?

    If no one is willing to do anything about it then the topic should probably get dropped right here and now. Otherwise, go call a lawyer already, EULA's tend to be unconstitutional in most countries, and don't hold up well in courts, not even in American courts let alone the rest of the world. On top of that there are some grounds here for legal action in pretty much every country including the United States, so what is everybody who is angered by this, waiting for?
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  • djaricaricson#1377 djaricaricson Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Look, I understand a lot of people are angry and mad. They got duped and I can totally understand where they're coming from with this anger. Only thing I wonder is are you all going to continue just crying about it and hope your situation magically fixes itself? or will you actually DO something about?

    If no one is willing to do anything about it then the topic should probably get dropped right here and now. Otherwise, go call a lawyer already, EULA's tend to be unconstitutional in most countries, and don't hold up well in courts, not even in American courts let alone the rest of the world. On top of that there are some grounds here for legal action in pretty much every country including the United States, so what is everybody who is angered by this, waiting for?

    I agree. Some folks have made valid points and believe me when I say this, I'm in the same boat but in all honesty, is this so important that were all going to keep complaining about it? Yeah I spent 425 mil on this ship 2 years ago. Yeah I was mad when I saw they were re-releasing this ship. It was either try my luck at getting one or just move on. I'm not defending cryptic but this is getting old. If your not happy then why play STO? If you really want to waste time and energy with trying to hire a lawyer to sue a company over a fictional ship then that's your all on you. I personally will not waste my hard earned money and time doing that(just my feelings). Each game has a TOS and when you sign up for it, you agree to it. If you don't agree, then don't play. End of discussion.
  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    teuteburg wrote: »
    You split hairs by refusing to see they lied to us....

    And what is this bizzare "all T6 capabilities" if not T6.

    I will not buy a car with "all 250hp capabilities" which has 50hp afterwards....

    Why do you defend such an obvious cheating towards us?

    You are not getting paid by them?

    Greetz Siegfried

    No, I am not getting paid by them.

    As I've stated multiple times, I apparently read the advertisement in a different manner than you did; and it looks like I read it in the way Cryptic intended rather than the way you did. I then sought to challenge the vitrol being put forth by unhappy customers by saying "here is a reasonable interpretation of the old blog that indicates what Salamii did was simply a language clarification".

    Yes, it is splitting hairs. But it's an important (and, in my view, dispositive) hair. Cryptic gave T5-U ships, including the JHAS (for free!), most of the perks of T6. The *only* perk that Cryptic has not given is the 13th boff slot. Cryptic, for whatever reason, did not feel that the 13th Boff slot was as big a deal as the extra console slot or the ship mastery package. Considering that the top DPS ships remain T5-U Scimitars, they were arguably right on this one.
    On top of that there are some grounds here for legal action in pretty much every country including the United States, so what is everybody who is angered by this, waiting for?

    A claim for which relief can be granted?
  • teuteburgteuteburg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Hi!

    If we stop complaining now things like this will happen again and again and again....

    I can understand you get tired of that, but I am so angry you can't imagine!

    Cryptic made everything wrong for about a year now.
    It started with space dinosaurs and ended with cheating players.

    And so what? Shut up and let more then 3 years of playing go down the drain?

    Or remind them that they can't do such things without a ****storm?

    I feel bertayed that is the point and i will not get tired reminding them!

    Greetz Siegfried
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  • teuteburgteuteburg Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    @ceekayzero

    I can see your point of view, but can you see mine (ours)?

    A lot of ppl feel betrayed by a company they supported.

    Again, they promised: JHAS will be T6 with no extra cost, and it wasn't

    THEY DID NOT EVEN EXPLAIN THEMSELVES OR EXCUSE OR ANYTHING!!!!!

    T5u here or there, this is one of the most expensive ship
    and this just ridiculus. Imagine the drop chance is 1:255!
    Many ppl spend a whole lot of time and or money to get one
    and i am one of them.

    It is really simple: I feel VERARSCHT!

    Greetz Siegfried

    PS: It would be fine for me to upgrade that ship for that zen token for example,,,
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  • reverseandereverseande Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Soon new "T6 wells " :D

    or maybe they will respect the order in which they were released.That means next "new" ship will be t6 Cardassian Galor.:D
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    This strike ship reminds me strongly of the Jem'Hadar Strike Cruiser from that really old game DS9: Dominion Wars, both in name and in design.
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  • megacharge07megacharge07 Member Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    teuteburg wrote: »
    Hi!

    If we stop complaining now things like this will happen again and again and again....

    I can understand you get tired of that, but I am so angry you can't imagine!

    Cryptic made everything wrong for about a year now.
    It started with space dinosaurs and ended with cheating players.

    And so what? Shut up and let more then 3 years of playing go down the drain?

    Or remind them that they can't do such things without a ****storm?

    I feel bertayed that is the point and i will not get tired reminding them!

    You're missing the point. What I'm saying is complaining will be ignored by cryptic/pwe, action wont. The only attention you'll get from the complaining is the reactions of us annoyed forum readers, none of which can help you. If you feel this strongly about it, then you should be doing something rather than just saying something. There are many avenues for you, some not even costing much money.

    If the German players feel cheated, then maybe they group together and do something, maybe even more people from more countries will see that and do something too. But to just complain and expect change is flawed thinking.

    As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words.
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  • t00badt00bad Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    damn shame


    Now I really have a big problem ...


    How to justify playing this game after this last ... (ah, if it would only be the last) ...


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  • mrsmitty81mrsmitty81 Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well, I put $10 dollars worth of zen in my account almost monthly, I uslaly save up for this kind of stuff, opened about 24 so far, I have the weirdest felling the chances are drastically increased is you are a lifetime subscriber because the people I have seen so far with it are all gold members. Anyone else suspicious about this being possabe?

    I can also guarantee the life sub doesn't help cause I opened 84 packs and I am a life member and got nothing.
  • t00badt00bad Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    it is certainly possible ...
    But I do agree it is not likely it works that way...
    The chance of bug dropping from that pack is about 0.67% I think (every 150 packs on average)
    Of course, I can not say that for sure, but many players cooperated in generating statistics on opening boxes, packs, and similar stuff in game...Most agree on that number...
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  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It's quite simple.

    You all need to build a bridge and get over it.
  • raulblanco7raulblanco7 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    t00bad wrote: »
    it is certainly possible ...
    But I do agree it is not likely it works that way...
    The chance of bug dropping from that pack is about 0.67% I think (every 150 packs on average)
    Of course, I can not say that for sure, but many players cooperated in generating statistics on opening boxes, packs, and similar stuff in game...Most agree on that number...


    Than i have to disagree. I opened 2600 pack's and got 27 Strike Ship's. And it seems the server counting how much you opened without ship, because when i had a bad seria, like opening 80-100 pack's and no ship, there was about 6-8 times it was enough to buy 4-10 more pack's, and almost every times it's dropped from that low pack's... so when i opened 100 and no ship, i just bought always a few more, because i know server remember, will reward me a ship soon.

    For that guy, who opened 80 pack, and no ship, you should try 10-20 more, and you will get one, just open them together, like open 10 pack fast, no ship, wait 10 minutes, open 10 more.
    There will be a ship close to 100 pack, its sure, its happend with me about 6-8 times.
  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Than i have to disagree. I opened 2600 pack's and got 27 Strike Ship's. And it seems the server counting how much you opened without ship, because when i had a bad seria, like opening 80-100 pack's and no ship, there was about 6-8 times it was enough to buy 4-10 more pack's, and almost every times it's dropped from that low pack's... so when i opened 100 and no ship, i just bought always a few more, because i know server remember, will reward me a ship soon.

    For that guy, who opened 80 pack, and no ship, you should try 10-20 more, and you will get one, just open them together, like open 10 pack fast, no ship, wait 10 minutes, open 10 more.
    There will be a ship close to 100 pack, its sure, its happend with me about 6-8 times.

    I opened 80 packs on the nose... last one had the JHSS which worked out since I was not going to buy any more. :D
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Than i have to disagree. I opened 2600 pack's and got 27 Strike Ship's. And it seems the server counting how much you opened without ship, because when i had a bad seria, like opening 80-100 pack's and no ship, there was about 6-8 times it was enough to buy 4-10 more pack's, and almost every times it's dropped from that low pack's... so when i opened 100 and no ship, i just bought always a few more, because i know server remember, will reward me a ship soon.

    For that guy, who opened 80 pack, and no ship, you should try 10-20 more, and you will get one, just open them together, like open 10 pack fast, no ship, wait 10 minutes, open 10 more.
    There will be a ship close to 100 pack, its sure, its happend with me about 6-8 times.

    So, let's see how much a pack cost... 300 Zen, which is probably close to $3 each.
    And your advice to players is to open about 100 packs and hoping to get the ship. Potentially $300 and more for a ship.
    ...
    I don't think I need to point out what I'm trying to point out.

    And while I'd like a developer to confirm this, I believe the whole "the game remembers how many boxes you opened, so it's nicer to you over time" is a big load of untruth.
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  • raulblanco7raulblanco7 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So, let's see how much a pack cost... 300 Zen, which is probably close to $3 each.
    And your advice to players is to open about 100 packs and hoping to get the ship. Potentially $300 and more for a ship.
    ...
    I don't think I need to point out what I'm trying to point out.

    And while I'd like a developer to confirm this, I believe the whole "the game remembers how many boxes you opened, so it's nicer to you over time" is a big load of untruth.


    No, i dont advice to spend real cash. The best part of this game is the exchange, you can buy everything with EC you earn ingame, and you can buy everything ingame with the dilithium you can earn ingame... well except the lifetime sub.

    And no, i dont advice to anybody to open 80 pack if he want a ship, that would be a silly thing, as you can sell the 80 pack for 560 million ec atm, and buy the ship for 460 million on exchange. That is a sure ship and you still have left 100 million ec.

    I always says to friend's, fleetie's, dont open box - promo pack for ship. Only open them for lobi crystal or for fun, its just waste of money for opening them to earn ship. Sell your keys to riches, and buy the ship you want.

    However, i sad he should open 10-20 more pack, because that was i have seen during my 2600pc's opened pack, like the server remember's when you opened your ship, or how much you opened without ship.

    Its happend with me too much times to be an accident, of course you can think different, may i should accept your experience in this field, i just opened 2600 pack's in the last 1,5 week and opening a few hundread's of boxes daily, but i m sure you have bigger experience with them, *sarcasm on* mostly i think that because you know its better to calculate the pack's with 300 zen each instead of 1000 zen / 4 when you talking about 100 pack's...*sarcasm off*
  • lebtronlebtron Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    For that guy, who opened 80 pack, and no ship, you should try 10-20 more, and you will get one, just open them together, like open 10 pack fast, no ship, wait 10 minutes, open 10 more.
    There will be a ship close to 100 pack, its sure, its happend with me about 6-8 times.

    I opened more than 1700 lockboxes/ promo boxes of different types during the last years. Tried it with few packs in a row, with hundreds in a row. No ship until today. I am sure there is no internal counter.
  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I really don't think that's how gambling works.


    Okay I heard that the chance of opening an R&D pack and actually getting a JHSS is 0.02% Therefore each and every time someone opens a pack they have that same 0.02% chance of getting the JHSS every single time. Doesn't matter if you open one pack or a thousand. Its still going to be 0.02%.

    Cryptic wouldn't profit from programming the game to me "kinder" to a player after opening X amounts of packs. They'd probably rather someone opened 80 and got no ship. Then went and bought another 80 and opened those with exactly the same chances of finding a ship. And at 0.02% that's pretty low.

    What would Cryptic benefit if they programmed the game to be "kinder" after 80 boxes and finally get a JHSS. They wouldn't. Its more profitable to keep the chances of dropping a JHSS the same so they'd go buy another 80.

    Of course, you do get the incredibly lucky people who get a JHSS within the first 10 boxes they open but the odds are so poor that for every one lucky winner there are dozens of people who didn't win. All that $$$ made off the losers. Even then Cryptic (and just about every other House) promotes the knowledge of those who do win via the fly-in messages that pop up on every player's screen unless they opt out.

    Gambling. Its an ugly business. ;)
  • raulblanco7raulblanco7 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mikoto8472 wrote: »
    I really don't think that's how gambling works.


    Okay I heard that the chance of opening an R&D pack and actually getting a JHSS is 0.02% Therefore each and every time someone opens a pack they have that same 0.02% chance of getting the JHSS every single time. Doesn't matter if you open one pack or a thousand. Its still going to be 0.02%.

    Cryptic wouldn't profit from programming the game to me "kinder" to a player after opening X amounts of packs. They'd probably rather someone opened 80 and got no ship. Then went and bought another 80 and opened those with exactly the same chances of finding a ship. And at 0.02% that's pretty low.

    What would Cryptic benefit if they programmed the game to be "kinder" after 80 boxes and finally get a JHSS. They wouldn't. Its more profitable to keep the chances of dropping a JHSS the same so they'd go buy another 80.

    Of course, you do get the incredibly lucky people who get a JHSS within the first 10 boxes they open but the odds are so poor that for every one lucky winner there are dozens of people who didn't win. All that $$$ made off the losers. Even then Cryptic (and just about every other House) promotes the knowledge of those who do win via the fly-in messages that pop up on every player's screen unless they opt out.

    Gambling. Its an ugly business. ;)

    Thats a bull****, sorry.
    If 0,02% would be right, i should get 0,52 ship from 2600 pack, not 27.
    And there wont be some other guy too who opened also a lot of JHSS.

    Chance is about 1% / pack.
  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'm pretty sure I said "I heard that", implying that the source of data from where I got the number might be innacurate.

    At no point did I declare it as fact.


    Learn to read.
  • mrsmitty81mrsmitty81 Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    No, i dont advice to spend real cash. The best part of this game is the exchange, you can buy everything with EC you earn ingame, and you can buy everything ingame with the dilithium you can earn ingame... well except the lifetime sub.

    And no, i dont advice to anybody to open 80 pack if he want a ship, that would be a silly thing, as you can sell the 80 pack for 560 million ec atm, and buy the ship for 460 million on exchange. That is a sure ship and you still have left 100 million ec.

    I always says to friend's, fleetie's, dont open box - promo pack for ship. Only open them for lobi crystal or for fun, its just waste of money for opening them to earn ship. Sell your keys to riches, and buy the ship you want.

    However, i sad he should open 10-20 more pack, because that was i have seen during my 2600pc's opened pack, like the server remember's when you opened your ship, or how much you opened without ship.

    Its happend with me too much times to be an accident, of course you can think different, may i should accept your experience in this field, i just opened 2600 pack's in the last 1,5 week and opening a few hundread's of boxes daily, but i m sure you have bigger experience with them, *sarcasm on* mostly i think that because you know its better to calculate the pack's with 300 zen each instead of 1000 zen / 4 when you talking about 100 pack's...*sarcasm off*
    Well just opened 20 more at your advice no ship so that's 104 packs and no ship. I am officially done. what a damn waste of money.
  • raulblanco7raulblanco7 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I just said that is a bull****, i dont remember where i wrote it is your fact.
    Learn to read.
  • raulblanco7raulblanco7 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Sorry to hear that.
    The mistake was the opening of the first 80 pack, instead of selling and buying the ship.
    Next 20, not as big, and i got about 6-8 ship like that.
  • mrsmitty81mrsmitty81 Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I just said that is a bull****, i dont remember where i wrote it is your fact.
    Learn to read.

    I wasn't making a slight against you. Please don't think I was angry or anything against you. I was more disappointed that I could open 104 packs and not get a ship. Just saying I done gambling in the game it simply isn't worth it.
  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mrsmitty81 wrote: »
    I wasn't making a slight against you. Please don't think I was angry or anything against you. I was more disappointed that I could open 104 packs and not get a ship. Just saying I done gambling in the game it simply isn't worth it.

    You still have 1040 lobi (enough for an Astika!) and tons upon tons of VR crafting materials and upgrade accelerators. You've got enough stuff to have an epic ship setup, even if you do not have a T6 JHSS.
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ... because i know server remember, will reward me a ship soon....

    LMAO! Gambling Myth 1053...

    This is a crock of **** and a mentality I see time and time again, since I work in the gaming industry...

    Playing that same machine, for hours on end, does NOT increase your chances of winning, nor have I ever seen any substantiated evidence that opening 101 lockboxes increases your chances of winning, as opposed to opening just 99...

    This is the same foolish rot the average gambler deludes themselves into believing...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • mrsmitty81mrsmitty81 Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So I lied about quitting gambling. I ended up getting the ship at pack 174. Definitely not worth the cost but at least I have the ship now and I have a ton of lobi I can use to buy some other ships and lots of R&D materials to provide equipment for the ship.
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