well, gotta say i told myself to not open more than 4 boxes and bam: got lucky on the 4th draw. now i have em both. on one toon meeeh.... really no point in having so!
jhss is better, no way ones turn it. jhas is NOT capable of what the jhss is, no way ones turn it! that one boffslot alone makes a big diffrence, in my case regarding survivability (a2sif 2 mjam). no talk of surgical strikes 1 on a dhc bug...
so, though i got lucky, i really want to express once more how sick the way they handled this seems to me.
it's just way too often they choose just that false way of what would be "good/smart" decisions imho.
plz salamii... end this path if possible to you! thx.
2nd day of promotion and already more than 10 jhss on exchange below 500mil...
It explains a lot... Ppl want to sell it but do not use it.
I was waiting for this ship and hoped that it will meet the new standards (Manasa 5\2, Contortrix 5\2, Nicor 4\4 all have friendly boff seats), but...
It's just a copy of 4\3 obsolete ship with some small additions :mad:
And CRF ship trait, meh... Make it CRF+CSV!
2nd day of promotion and already more than 10 jhss on exchange below 500mil...
It explains a lot... Ppl want to sell it but do not use it.
I was waiting for this ship and hoped that it will meet the new standards (Manasa 5\2, Contortrix 5\2, Nicor 4\4 all have friendly boff seats), but...
It's just a copy of 4\3 obsolete ship with some small additions :mad:
And CRF ship trait, meh... Make it CRF+CSV!
its possible cryptic has thoroughly alienated the type of player that one would expect to buy the jhss; pvpers and those that already bought the jhas bug.
i have long suspected the opposite to be true. too many people talk about getting their ship on their 3rd box/pack and whatnot for it to be a coincidence. i suspect that accounts new to gambling get better odds in an effort to 'hook' them for the long and fruitless reel-in to follow... get them addicted to winning while reducing their odds as it is.
i have no numbers or evidence to support this, but it sure seems pretty suspect from my perspective.
As a lifetime member, and with 50 bucks less in my pocket, I have no ship to show for it.
as I said in a diff post, I have no issue dropping bucks in the game, but the drop rate on this is just stupid. Id rather just hand them 50 or 75 than waste on the r + d TRIBBLE shooters
those who want the JHAS ships on their jemdread will find that because everyone who wants (and doesnt already have) a JHAS from the exchange will go instead for the JHSS....
To all the ones who have wasted a lot of mony going for these ships you have more chance of winning the lottery twice and getting struck by lightning. Just goes to show there is people with more money than sense
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
As a lifetime member, and with 50 bucks less in my pocket, I have no ship to show for it. as I said in a diff post, I have no issue dropping bucks in the game, but the drop rate on this is just stupid. Id rather just hand them 50 or 75 than waste on the r + d TRIBBLE shooters
Then why not use cash money to buy Zen to buy things (keys?) to sell on the exchange to make the 500mil EC to buy the JASS? It might cost more than $75, though... but at least is guaranteed.
I don't think its worth it personally, esp after all the free event ships and Delta Pack and etc.
To all the ones who have wasted a lot of mony going for these ships you have more chance of winning the lottery twice and getting struck by lightning. Just goes to show there is people with more money than sense
Lighting 2, Lotto 0, cash 0.
Some think that the chances are higher on the first day, but that would be being paranoid.
Incidetely, it's just a bit quicker than the old one, has one extra doff power, but the trait is seriously OP! Needless to say, that, will be nerfed, but only after the event is over.
I completely understand the position of those who received the JHAS as a reward for buying the Duty Officer Packs offered previously. The guarantee that this ship would be upgraded to T6 is quite clear. However, I offer a solution to this. As the Strike Ship is an improvement of the Attack Ship, I suggest that any player who has an Attack Ship and also the Strike Ship be given a token item to upgrade one JH Ship he has to T6. This may be applied to the Dreadnought, Escort Carrier, and the Attack Ship if he prefers. That way the promise to upgrade to T6 offered previously is fulfilled.
I completely understand the position of those who received the JHAS as a reward for buying the Duty Officer Packs offered previously. The guarantee that this ship would be upgraded to T6 is quite clear. However, I offer a solution to this. As the Strike Ship is an improvement of the Attack Ship, I suggest that any player who has an Attack Ship and also the Strike Ship be given a token item to upgrade one JH Ship he has to T6. This may be applied to the Dreadnought, Escort Carrier, and the Attack Ship if he prefers. That way the promise to upgrade to T6 offered previously is fulfilled.
The thought of a T6 Dred! I nearly wet myself. Shame it could never happen.
I like what cryptic did here and it is perfectly understandable and actually a nice move on their part.
They saw a popular ship and decided to make one in its image because we liked it. Simple as that.
I hope they redo some of the bops the same way.
The JHAS wasn't popular people really didn't like it
It was the most OP ship in its day..Thats why it was sought after
The hull could have been a loaf of bread with Connie warp nacells sticking out of the side/ With a Klingon D-7 boom section for a front and a excelsior shuttle bay on the rear and on the Top a reliant rollbar weapon pod
And if this was OP the best stats and performance in the game the same people who bought the JHAS would have bought this
simple as that
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
The guarantee that this ship would be upgraded to T6 is quite clear. ..That way the promise to upgrade to T6 offered previously is fulfilled.
I do not remember Cryptic ever guaranteeing an upgrade to "T6". I remember them saying "T6 capabilities" back in August of 2014 (when they ran the JHAS Doff promo), but I always understood that promise to be what we now know as T5-U. As the JHAS can be upgraded to T5-U, that promise is fulfilled. Cryptic doesn't owe us or anyone else jack squat.
The blog should have been clarified once the T5-U terminology was settled on, though, versus when they released the T6 bug.
I do not remember Cryptic ever guaranteeing an upgrade to "T6". I remember them saying "T6 capabilities" back in August of 2014 (when they ran the JHAS Doff promo), but I always understood that promise to be what we now know as T5-U. As the JHAS can be upgraded to T5-U, that promise is fulfilled. Cryptic doesn't owe us or anyone else jack squat.
The blog should have been clarified once the T5-U terminology was settled on, though, versus when they released the T6 bug.
... yet it still said nothing about "capabilities" on the german blog f.e... t6 yeah, but nothing like "capabilities"...
and as so many already stated: t5-u is NOT capable of what a t6 (fleetlevel in this case) is able to perform.
+ as others already stated.... they created kind of their own reference when they upgraded former t5 lockboxships (galor, d'kora, bug) to t5 fleetlevel when that came out. with the dr/t6 policy they're runnin they left that path and pi**** off a lot of people.
they could have introduced an upgrade path with some draw-offs that even could have been monetized again, even more with an eye of the just-in-time revamped r&d system. a lot of money would have been in such i could bet (at least as much as u understood them in august :P ...).
they decided not to go that way and: pi**** off a lot of people. now who is to blame for pi**** customers? the customers, because the companys' decisions are everything but customer-friendly or the ones who are responsible for these decisions?! key-word is responsible. "if ya can't take the fire don't jump it i'd say". thx.
... yet it still said nothing about "capabilities" on the german blog f.e... t6 yeah, but nothing like "capabilities"...
and as so many already stated: t5-u is NOT capable of what a t6 (fleetlevel in this case) is able to perform.
+ as others already stated.... they already created kind of their own reference when they upgraded former t5 lockboxships (galor, d'kora, bug) to t5 fleetlevel when that came out. with dr/t6 policy they're runnin, they left that path and pi**** off a lot of people, me included. thx.
1) I wouldn't consider a german language blog to be authoritative, since Cryptic is not a German company. If there is a terminology conflict between the English language blog and the German language blog, the English language blog controls. (The TOS doesn't specify, and PWE may want to fix that)
2) Cryptic (and the player base) at the time (August-September 2014; before we understood how Intel Powers worked) considered T5-U and T6 to be generally equivalent.
As much as this will go against the majority of views and opinions. When can we expect the T6 versions of the Temporal Ships? The Temporal Ships offer up Prime and Mirror universe counterparts, there is one for each faction and the half a faction. Considering these are 29th century ships, I am hoping these make the transition via a new lock box and Lobi Store offerings soon.
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1) I wouldn't consider a german language blog to be authoritative, since Cryptic is not a German company. If there is a terminology conflict between the English language blog and the German language blog, the English language blog controls. (The TOS doesn't specify, and PWE may want to fix that)
2) Cryptic (and the player base) at the time (August-September 2014; before we understood how Intel Powers worked) considered T5-U and T6 to be generally equivalent.
1) no matter why, they advertised it false regarding their recent decision on a client-language they fully support (if the simple word "f
Yes they did, and yes I do. DS9 being my favorite Star Trek, the Jem'Hadar is one of my favorite ships. I love my bug, and I'm pissed that a lock box ship is neglected to T5-U while and new version of the the same ship is T6. It's a money grab plain and simple. They need to make a T-6 version of all lock box ships, and give them to the players that have them, or make no upgrades. Even if I do magically get this ship, I'll have a JHAS doing nothing, because they a char bound. Meaning that I got lucky twice, (really lucky), but only have one ship to show for it. This was a horrible idea over on their part, they could've had the same stats on a different ship, like a T6 defiant, and there would be no fire storm. (Would also make more since, sense the Defiant used it's cannons more) and if there was a T6 defiant, people would be going crazy, and Cryptic would make a ton of money off it.
Sollaf: Join date Sep 2009, Lifer. Disgruntled with the JHSS, my Bug feels less shiny now.
Just to alert anyone who has not seen the OP Blog update that Trendy just put out, here is the info added to the JHAS promo.
"With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, owners of this starship (either from this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship capabilities at no cost."
Hopefully this helps!
~CaptainSmirk
This game has already alienated so many for extremely poor decisions. Blatant lies WILL be the last straw for a great many, I can assure you. And for all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
This game has already alienated so many for extremely poor decisions. Blatant lies WILL be the last straw for a great many, I can assure you. And for all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
STOP THE LIES: Make the JHAS upgradable to Tier6.
Except that Cryptic never lied. They used inconsistent terminology to refer to T5-U before settling on the designation of T5-U. They consider(ed) T5-U to be roughly equal to that of T6.
Bug 1.0 T5-U has the same starship mastery package (Levels 1 through 4), hull, consoles, and I think shield mod as Bug 2.0. So yes, Bug 1.0 is at "T6 capabiltiies" that you get for free. It's just that Bug 2.0 has those same capabilities plus more interesting things (a new skin, a new console, intel and command seating, and an extra LTC Universal boff slot). The new stuff does increase DPS, but to an extent that Cryptic has admitted they did not anticipate. But that does NOT change the fact that Cryptic never intended for T6 to outclass T5-U in the way that T6 has so outclassed T5-U.
They consider(ed) T5-U to be roughly equal to that of T6.
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It's just that Bug 2.0 has those same capabilities plus more interesting things (a new skin, a new console, intel and command seating, and an extra LTC Universal boff slot). The new stuff does increase DPS, but to an extent that Cryptic has admitted they did not anticipate. But that does NOT change the fact that Cryptic never intended for T6 to outclass T5-U in the way that T6 has so outclassed T5-U.
You've completely contradicted yourself multiple times in the same paragraph. I don't even have to refute your Cryptic/PWE sycophant inanity.
I'm going to say it again:
For all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
No matter how hard you tell others they did not lie,
THEY DID! It is a matter of fact they told us:
"Jem Hadar Attack ship will be upgradeable to T6 at no cost"
And where is my T6 Jem Hadar Attack Ship?
Oh I did not get it?
Then they lied to their costomers.....no doubt about it!
You've completely contradicted yourself multiple times in the same paragraph. I don't even have to refute your Cryptic/PWE sycophant inanity.
I'm going to say it again:
For all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
Let's try this again:
Cryptic upgraded the JHAS, for free, to have T6 capabilities. The upgrade, however, did not include *all* T6 capabilities. I'm sorry you misread the initial blog when it said "T6 capabilities" as including "all T6 capabilities", but if you look outside the four corners of that blog post (1), it was clear that T5-U would be a bit lesser than T6. Hence why I had *always* interpreted "T6 capabilities" to mean "T5-U".
Cryptic had never said, in English, that the JHAS would be a T6 ship. They said it would have capabilities of a T6 ship, but never said it would be a T6 ship.
Thus, Cryptic never told you that you would get a T6 JHAS, and thus never lied to you and the player base in this regard. They may have used weasel words in the initial blog while they were trying to figure out what "T6 capabilities" meant and before they developed the T5-U nomenclature, but what they said in that blog was true.
Compare this to Cryptic's statements regarding the Elite/Advanced queue revamp, where we were told Advanced queues would have the difficulty of the old Elite queues and that was explicitly not true.
No matter how hard you tell others they did not lie,
THEY DID! It is a matter of fact they told us:
"Jem Hadar Attack ship will be upgradeable to T6 at no cost"
And where is my T6 Jem Hadar Attack Ship?
Oh I did not get it?
Then they lied to their costomers.....no doubt about it!
Cryptic upgraded the JHAS, for free, to have T6 capabilities. The upgrade, however, did not include *all* T6 capabilities. I'm sorry you misread the initial blog when it said "T6 capabilities" as including "all T6 capabilities", but if you look outside the four corners of that blog post (1), it was clear that T5-U would be a bit lesser than T6. Hence why I had *always* interpreted "T6 capabilities" to mean "T5-U".
Cryptic had never said, in English, that the JHAS would be a T6 ship. They said it would have capabilities of a T6 ship, but never said it would be a T6 ship.
Thus, Cryptic never told you that you would get a T6 JHAS, and thus never lied to you and the player base in this regard. They may have used weasel words in the initial blog while they were trying to figure out what "T6 capabilities" meant and before they developed the T5-U nomenclature, but what they said in that blog was true.
Compare this to Cryptic's statements regarding the Elite/Advanced queue revamp, where we were told Advanced queues would have the difficulty of the old Elite queues and that was explicitly not true.
(1) Geko's podcasts after DR
... and now just imagine once that he's one of the germans who don't use english client nor site...
as u seem to be one that defends such bs, i gotta tell u: bs stays bs, no matter in what color one paints it...
moarthannghtimechangingsyaddayadda.... we're talking about a "professional" company providing a good allover the world (lol), aren't we? is that a performance u think fits such a company?
do u even got a bug (or a ton of other, now outdated TRIBBLE)?
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jhss is better, no way ones turn it. jhas is NOT capable of what the jhss is, no way ones turn it! that one boffslot alone makes a big diffrence, in my case regarding survivability (a2sif 2 mjam). no talk of surgical strikes 1 on a dhc bug...
so, though i got lucky, i really want to express once more how sick the way they handled this seems to me.
it's just way too often they choose just that false way of what would be "good/smart" decisions imho.
plz salamii... end this path if possible to you! thx.
It explains a lot... Ppl want to sell it but do not use it.
I was waiting for this ship and hoped that it will meet the new standards (Manasa 5\2, Contortrix 5\2, Nicor 4\4 all have friendly boff seats), but...
It's just a copy of 4\3 obsolete ship with some small additions :mad:
And CRF ship trait, meh... Make it CRF+CSV!
its possible cryptic has thoroughly alienated the type of player that one would expect to buy the jhss; pvpers and those that already bought the jhas bug.
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As a lifetime member, and with 50 bucks less in my pocket, I have no ship to show for it.
as I said in a diff post, I have no issue dropping bucks in the game, but the drop rate on this is just stupid. Id rather just hand them 50 or 75 than waste on the r + d TRIBBLE shooters
jokes on you, I got my strike ship in my second developement pack
as far as im concerned their policy is just fine
and yes im gloating bring on the hate! >:')
because it can be a great ship for pvp, like the JHAS did.... but actually how many players play pvp?
and for pve, like I said above, you can fly a cheaper ship and deal great damage with a faw build.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
those who want the JHAS ships on their jemdread will find that because everyone who wants (and doesnt already have) a JHAS from the exchange will go instead for the JHSS....
causing the JHAS to be cheaper
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Then why not use cash money to buy Zen to buy things (keys?) to sell on the exchange to make the 500mil EC to buy the JASS? It might cost more than $75, though... but at least is guaranteed.
I don't think its worth it personally, esp after all the free event ships and Delta Pack and etc.
So it is like Cryptic is cheating and nobody cares?
But I don't want to be cheated by a company
which is supported by my (our) money.
Greetz Siegfried
PS: I was never so mad about Cryptic/PWE, because they
simply lied to their players. And that is a behaviour I can't
stand.....
I like what cryptic did here and it is perfectly understandable and actually a nice move on their part.
They saw a popular ship and decided to make one in its image because we liked it. Simple as that.
I hope they redo some of the bops the same way.
I would pay anything for a T6 Intel Temporal Cruiser, with intel commander boff station.
Lighting 2, Lotto 0, cash 0.
Some think that the chances are higher on the first day, but that would be being paranoid.
Incidetely, it's just a bit quicker than the old one, has one extra doff power, but the trait is seriously OP! Needless to say, that, will be nerfed, but only after the event is over.
The thought of a T6 Dred! I nearly wet myself. Shame it could never happen.
The JHAS wasn't popular people really didn't like it
It was the most OP ship in its day..Thats why it was sought after
The hull could have been a loaf of bread with Connie warp nacells sticking out of the side/ With a Klingon D-7 boom section for a front and a excelsior shuttle bay on the rear and on the Top a reliant rollbar weapon pod
And if this was OP the best stats and performance in the game the same people who bought the JHAS would have bought this
simple as that
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
That's because they don't realize that it's got infinite CRF! (Check out gameplay bug reports.)
I do not remember Cryptic ever guaranteeing an upgrade to "T6". I remember them saying "T6 capabilities" back in August of 2014 (when they ran the JHAS Doff promo), but I always understood that promise to be what we now know as T5-U. As the JHAS can be upgraded to T5-U, that promise is fulfilled. Cryptic doesn't owe us or anyone else jack squat.
The blog should have been clarified once the T5-U terminology was settled on, though, versus when they released the T6 bug.
... yet it still said nothing about "capabilities" on the german blog f.e... t6 yeah, but nothing like "capabilities"...
and as so many already stated: t5-u is NOT capable of what a t6 (fleetlevel in this case) is able to perform.
+ as others already stated.... they created kind of their own reference when they upgraded former t5 lockboxships (galor, d'kora, bug) to t5 fleetlevel when that came out. with the dr/t6 policy they're runnin they left that path and pi**** off a lot of people.
they could have introduced an upgrade path with some draw-offs that even could have been monetized again, even more with an eye of the just-in-time revamped r&d system. a lot of money would have been in such i could bet (at least as much as u understood them in august :P
they decided not to go that way and: pi**** off a lot of people. now who is to blame for pi**** customers? the customers, because the companys' decisions are everything but customer-friendly or the ones who are responsible for these decisions?! key-word is responsible. "if ya can't take the fire don't jump it i'd say". thx.
1) I wouldn't consider a german language blog to be authoritative, since Cryptic is not a German company. If there is a terminology conflict between the English language blog and the German language blog, the English language blog controls. (The TOS doesn't specify, and PWE may want to fix that)
2) Cryptic (and the player base) at the time (August-September 2014; before we understood how Intel Powers worked) considered T5-U and T6 to be generally equivalent.
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1) no matter why, they advertised it false regarding their recent decision on a client-language they fully support (if the simple word "f
Yes they did, and yes I do. DS9 being my favorite Star Trek, the Jem'Hadar is one of my favorite ships. I love my bug, and I'm pissed that a lock box ship is neglected to T5-U while and new version of the the same ship is T6. It's a money grab plain and simple. They need to make a T-6 version of all lock box ships, and give them to the players that have them, or make no upgrades. Even if I do magically get this ship, I'll have a JHAS doing nothing, because they a char bound. Meaning that I got lucky twice, (really lucky), but only have one ship to show for it. This was a horrible idea over on their part, they could've had the same stats on a different ship, like a T6 defiant, and there would be no fire storm. (Would also make more since, sense the Defiant used it's cannons more) and if there was a T6 defiant, people would be going crazy, and Cryptic would make a ton of money off it.
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This game has already alienated so many for extremely poor decisions. Blatant lies WILL be the last straw for a great many, I can assure you. And for all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
STOP THE LIES: Make the JHAS upgradable to Tier6.
EDIT: Repaired Link
Except that Cryptic never lied. They used inconsistent terminology to refer to T5-U before settling on the designation of T5-U. They consider(ed) T5-U to be roughly equal to that of T6.
Bug 1.0 T5-U has the same starship mastery package (Levels 1 through 4), hull, consoles, and I think shield mod as Bug 2.0. So yes, Bug 1.0 is at "T6 capabiltiies" that you get for free. It's just that Bug 2.0 has those same capabilities plus more interesting things (a new skin, a new console, intel and command seating, and an extra LTC Universal boff slot). The new stuff does increase DPS, but to an extent that Cryptic has admitted they did not anticipate. But that does NOT change the fact that Cryptic never intended for T6 to outclass T5-U in the way that T6 has so outclassed T5-U.
Thus, Cryptic has never lied.
You've completely contradicted yourself multiple times in the same paragraph. I don't even have to refute your Cryptic/PWE sycophant inanity.
I'm going to say it again:
For all those too stupid to realize it: TIER-5U IS NOT THE SAME AS TIER-6!
No matter how hard you tell others they did not lie,
THEY DID! It is a matter of fact they told us:
"Jem Hadar Attack ship will be upgradeable to T6 at no cost"
And where is my T6 Jem Hadar Attack Ship?
Oh I did not get it?
Then they lied to their costomers.....no doubt about it!
And now you stop telling others lies.....
Greetz Siegfried
Let's try this again:
Cryptic upgraded the JHAS, for free, to have T6 capabilities. The upgrade, however, did not include *all* T6 capabilities. I'm sorry you misread the initial blog when it said "T6 capabilities" as including "all T6 capabilities", but if you look outside the four corners of that blog post (1), it was clear that T5-U would be a bit lesser than T6. Hence why I had *always* interpreted "T6 capabilities" to mean "T5-U".
Cryptic had never said, in English, that the JHAS would be a T6 ship. They said it would have capabilities of a T6 ship, but never said it would be a T6 ship.
Thus, Cryptic never told you that you would get a T6 JHAS, and thus never lied to you and the player base in this regard. They may have used weasel words in the initial blog while they were trying to figure out what "T6 capabilities" meant and before they developed the T5-U nomenclature, but what they said in that blog was true.
Compare this to Cryptic's statements regarding the Elite/Advanced queue revamp, where we were told Advanced queues would have the difficulty of the old Elite queues and that was explicitly not true.
(1) Geko's podcasts after DR
... and now just imagine once that he's one of the germans who don't use english client nor site...
as u seem to be one that defends such bs, i gotta tell u: bs stays bs, no matter in what color one paints it...
moarthannghtimechangingsyaddayadda.... we're talking about a "professional" company providing a good allover the world (lol), aren't we? is that a performance u think fits such a company?
do u even got a bug (or a ton of other, now outdated TRIBBLE)?