Here's another "salad" for you, this one is called the "Mimosa".
I'll just continue hitting you up with salads, so you can type more and more and amuse the community with your ignorance. The forum community is pretty grim these days and can use your comedy gold to cheer up and catch a few good laughs.
your logic all revolves around "they did X and called it star trek therefore they should do y and call it star trek" your wanting to justify more stupid decisions as "good" and call it good for the faction.
Actually it is you who seems completely ok with all the stupid decisions that happened so far (haven't seen you rant on any of them when they happened like you do here about this) , and then you turn around and call a completely valid request "stupid" and threathen to quit if it happens, even though it doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest. Now that is stupid.
I am sorry but the day they make a true klingon science ship and give it a klingon name is the day I quit. That is all i am saying and all I have said. Nothing you can say or explain will change that fact for me.
And I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. That way all the people playing science in our faction would have access to a ship utilized for their career track and perhaps we'll even be spared of your ignorance.
Your not a klink sorry you actually swallow the stupid idea of them creating a true klingon science vessel under the star trek IP and I do not. The carrier that they do have in the klingon lineup is actually a part of the lore if you look it up.
You do not understand the lore. You don't know or understand the IP. And you sure as hell don't understand the Klingons or their society.
There is no Klingon carrier in the Star Trek lore. The only species shown and confirmed to utilize carriers in Star Trek canon are the Kazon. You have no idea what you're talking about.
So carry on I will repeat it again one more time for you the day they design an actual klingon science vessel and slap a klingon name on it is the day I quit.
And I'll also repeat it again - I hope the day comes sooner rather than later, so players that choose to play KDF science have access to a proper ship utilized for their career track and so we can be spared of your ignorance.
Oh and btw, there already are 3(4) Klingon science vessels with a Klingon name to them:
The varanus was and is an abomination to the klingon side I shut my eyes then because they managed to try to work it in as a race that is not klingon but associates with them so i could swallow it. However the varanus is not a klingon ship its a gorn ship so I can handle it.. I cannot handle a klingon ship with a klingon design and a klingon name that is a science vessel.
Once again, I'm not sure if you really can be this ignorant or you're very sucesfully trolling not only me, but even a couple of us here.
It has alrady been said that a science ship for the KDF does not necessarily have to be of Klingon origin. Either you don't read and just reply while screaming "lalalalalala" with your fingers in your ears or you're trolling. There's no other explanation.
I notice you put a cat on your klingon banner so the discussion ends there your just someone who likes red but wants to mold the faction to be a carbon copy of the federation side. Whatever man. I just realized I am talking to someone who does not like things to be unique to certain sides. So I am out..
LMAO!!! Are you for real?!? What's next, you're going to try to discredit me not based on arguments, but because of the forum join date? lol :P
Once again, I you leave me with only >this< to say. *facepalm*
if you want to make more word salads go ahead my reply will be the same "the day they make a klingon science vessel will be the day they have gone to far and the day I will quit"
"the day they make a KLINGON science vessel is the day i quit the game"
no they are not true KLINGON!!!!!!!!! science vessels now are they
but your not here to do anything other then try to make the klingon faction a mirror copy of the fed side
carry on with your ludicrous interrogation because I have said what I needed to say and I am not repeating it any longer i will just copy and paste that statement as I have said
"the day they make a klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
one more time
"the day they make a Klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
now what was this about all those klingon Players who want a science vessel? not true was it.
"the day they make a KLINGON science vessel is the day i quit the game"
no they are not true KLINGON!!!!!!!!!!!! science vessels now are they
but your not here to do anything other then try to make the klingon faction a mirror copy of the fed side
carry on with your ludicrous interrogation because I have said what I needed to say and I am not repeating it any longer i will just copy and paste that statement as I have said
"the day they make a klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
one more time
"the day they make a klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
now what was this about all those klingon players who want a science vessel? not true was it.
Ah, so we have a case of "I refuse reality and substitute with my own!" here!!
lol Dude you should probably stop replying, you're just making yourself look more and more ridiculous with each post you make. Save some grace before you become the laughing stock of the forum.
Those are Klingon ships. With Klingon names. Klingon science ships. Built by Klingons, for Klingons!
If those aren't Klingon, then what is this? A Kazon raider?
How about this? A Dominion battlecruiser??
So as I said, either accept that you were wrong like any sensible person would or just quit the game already and stop trolling because there sure as hell are Klingon science ships in the game and they've been around for more than a year.
LMAO!!! Are you for real?!? What's next, you're going to try to discredit me not based on arguments, but because of the forum join date? lol :P
Once again, I you leave me with only >this< to say. *facepalm*
This is really just a game. We aren't actually in the Star Trek universe flying spaceships. If they made a flying Hyundai with a sub-atomic nuclear reversed-phase ionic electromagnetic pulsed laser cannon, I'd still fly it.
Ah, so we have a case of "I refuse reality and substitute with my own!" here!!
lol Dude you should probably stop replying, you're just making yourself look more and more ridiculous with each post you make. Save some grace before you become the laughing stock of the forum.
Those are Klingon ships. With Klingon names. Klingon science ships. Built by Klingons, for Klingons!
If those aren't Klingon, then what is this? A Kazon raider?
How about this? A Dominion battlecruiser??
So as I said, either accept that you were wrong like any sensible person would or just quit the game already and stop trolling because there sure as hell are Klingon science ships in the game and they've been around for more than a year.
The day they make a Klingon science vessel is the day i quit the game.
I really think you need to go reread my stuff you know in context and not do what your doing because your showing me how little you seem to understanad what I typed. I am pretty sure that they are still dyson ships like they were the last 100 times you showed them to me.
This is really just a game. We aren't actually in the Star Trek universe flying spaceships. If they made a flying Hyundai with a sub-atomic nuclear reversed-phase ionic electromagnetic pulsed laser cannon, I'd still fly it.
I actually proposed this in another thread since i get tired of hearing "wah wah wah" i want my fed to have X and "wah wah wah" i want my kling to have Y
Just make a single faction call it RKF put all the ships in a pile and take off the star strek title and call it "world of spaceships" and be done with it.
Somehow or other though because I speak sense and it conflicts with this RKF faction because I still want to keep a little bit of star trek in my game I am "illogical"
Fine give them science vessels and I will be true to my word and quit because then as far as I am concerned my faction since I appear to be the last holdout or something will be ruined for me. Save me the time and effort and posts where I try to express myself a bit. Because having a different point of view is in fact "bad"
Y'all are way off topic. What does a science ship have to do with a kickstarter project? (By the way, I'd only fund a kickstarter if it were a complete retooling likely with a whole new team that knows what "QA" stands for.)
Besides, getting so worked up over a ship seems a bit...off. I got Garfield chasing laser-wielding dinosaurs with his gingerbread man chasing after. A ship that can use some devastating abilities doesn't seem that far-fetched.
Y'all are way off topic. What does a science ship have to do with a kickstarter project? (By the way, I'd only fund a kickstarter if it were a complete retooling likely with a whole new team that knows what "QA" stands for.)
Besides, getting so worked up over a ship seems a bit...off. I got Garfield chasing laser-wielding dinosaurs with his gingerbread man chasing after. A ship that can use some devastating abilities doesn't seem that far-fetched.
originally it was suggested in the thread that players would support a kickstarter for a klingon science ship. I stepped in and said if they go to that lenght I will quit. People are trying to convince me to change my mind. The logic being that science officers cannot function without a science ship and I should play one and find out.
I then responded , but I do have a klingon science officer and I dont need a science ship to be part of the game.
So that is where that comes from. I am simply indulging this guy as he repeatedly cuts and pastes the dyson faction ships which I actualy find pretty funny. After I already stated in the thread "perhaps they will design another cross faction ship" and predicted it would be a kobali ship because I felt that actually adding a true science explorer to the klingon faction and making it look and handle like a klingon ship would be well odd. Apparently this makes me crazy or something.
Anyhow I am sure he will be back to cut and paste his dyson ships again and I will reply again because its kinda funny to watch
Despite the join date, i've been here since the beginning.
Seen ALOT over the years, the good, the bad and the downright ugly. I usually have a thick skin.
But do i feel cheated? dunno, maybe not actually.
However with everything that came with DR just ugh, hard to put into words, but for me, not a bright spot in the history of the game and overall with how everything was handled by cryptic ( calling players exploiters and cheats etc ) alot of the trust i had for then has been eroded away.
Well I lost out on almost 700K dil ore in the conversion. Thats when I stopped paying...
I figure that if they won't give me currency, I won't give them currency... And they topped it with not paying me 2000 Zen worth of Stipends, and then insisting not to do anything about it.
And thats pretty much when I stopped trusting them...
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
The day they make a Klingon science vessel is the day i quit the game.
I really think you need to go reread my stuff you know in context and not do what your doing because your showing me how little you seem to understanad what I typed. I am pretty sure that they are still dyson ships like they were the last 100 times you showed them to me.
I read it all allright, trust me even though at moments I wish I didn't.
The thing is - you're not making any sense whatsoever, but since you're the one not making sense you can't see that you're not making any sense.
What are "dyson ships"? Who made them? Gremlins? Fairies? Batman?? Dyson? :P
Those are ships of their respective factions, designed by their respective factions, built by each of their respective factions with the goal to utilize and implement new technology discovered in the Dyson Sphere. Ergo, the KDF ones are Klingon ships, the Fed ones are Starfleet ships and the RR ones and Romulan ships.
Having a different opinion is not bad. Having an opinion that hurts other innocent players just because they made a certain choice that was offered as an option to them by the game developer, while not altering your own gameplay in the slightest is very selfish, which is bad.
A lot of people have said "If they introduce X into the game I'll quit" but they're still here. I don't think Cryptic cares about an "I'll quit" threat from a player or there's a lot of changes that wouldn't have already happened.
Anyway, forget Kickstarter. As I've said before, this is a commercial game. It's not a community project, it's not a game run by a bunch of friends, it's not a voluntary game that people graciously let us all play for free without asking anything in return.
We are customers using a commercial game run by a multi-national corporation that is rolling in cash.
I read it all allright, trust me even though at moments I wish I didn't.
The thing is - you're not making any sense whatsoever, but since you're the one not making sense you can't see that you're not making any sense.
What are "dyson ships"? Who made them? Gremlins? Fairies? Batman?? Dyson? :P
Those are ships of their respective factions, designed by their respective factions, built by each of their respective factions with the goal to utilize and implement new technology discovered in the Dyson Sphere. Ergo, the KDF ones are Klingon ships, the Fed ones are Starfleet ships and the RR ones and Romulan ships.
Having a different opinion is not bad. Having an opinion that hurts other innocent players just because they made a certain choice that was offered as an option to them by the game developer, while not altering your own gameplay in the slightest is very selfish, which is bad.
how does them not making a bird of prey into a science ship hurt other players? What part of "maybe they can make another cross faction science ship" make it so i am saying other players who are klingon cant have access to science ships. All I said was that making something that looks and smells klingon is a bad move and not sound from a design perspective. Any science ship put into the game for klinks to use has been added via some side faction because its explainable and make sense. I also said that they probably will add another science ship for klingons to access but I would be horrified if it were truly klingon, but I can handle say a kobali science ship that klinks can use? How is this hurting other players?
Your simply not understanding what I said. Its very simple really and all game developers have to follow a basic design philosophy we know what they make for klingons as ships available to them and they all follow the typical klingon design philosophy. What they do is add from time-to-time a ship that the faction can access that is a pure science exploration ship. I have no problem with them doing that and have repeatedly said so. That does not hurt other players in the least. It accomodates them to a degree with some small effort on the part of the star trek theme to keep the basic klingon design intact.
you keep showing me ships that are not klingon telling me they are. I keep saying, but those are cross faction ship designs and how I would imagine they will add the next science ship. IN fact I would be very very suprised if they broke away from that because then it would make no sense at all.
This hurts no one. Its just that you want to "win" something. I am not begrudging them access to a sci ship. I am saying "but let it not be klingon" . That is all I said and there is absolutely nothing wrong or illogical with what I have said.
they give us also warbirds etc which are more geared towards the different officer type as well which is pretty accomodating. So we have them producing right now ships that are t6 which are able to easily accomodate a sci officer. I dont see how them trying to make something that is still a little bit klingon as hurting other players.
what you want me to do is think like you do. say that I think its okay for them to do this. I dont. Its okay though they can use the cross faction ships that we both know they will produce that are going to be totally sciency.
how does them not making a bird of prey into a science ship hurt other players? What part of "maybe they can make another cross faction science ship" make it so i am saying other players who are klingon cant have access to science ships. All I said was that making something that looks and smells klingon is a bad move and not sound from a design perspective. Any science ship put into the game for klinks to use has been added via some side faction because its explainable and make sense. I also said that they probably will add another science ship for klingons to access but I would be horrified if it were truly klingon, but I can handle say a kobali science ship that klinks can use? How is this hurting other players?
A bird of prey? What are you even talking about, your posts are very incoherent and difficult to track what you're on about. Who mentioned a bird of prey??
You also seem to lack the understanding of what "cross-faction" means. Cross faction ships are ships that are the same ship availible to all factions. One ship, exaclty same design, stats and performance regardless of which faction opened it. Loxkbox ships, lobi ships and event ships.
The DSDs are not cross-faction ships. They have different designs, access to different hull materials, different stats and basic preformance. They're similar in terms of being lazy built on a same platform, much as these new command ships or the Oddy/Bortas - but they're not cross-faction. The name says it all - "cross-faction" - a ship that can be used across all the factions. Starfleet characters can't purchase the Nov or MoQ for ex. It's not cross-faction.
In those terms, your suggestion that KDF science ships should only be cross-faction ships is borderline insane. You're basically saying that if KDF science players want a proper science ship they should either gamble hundreds of dollars or hope that an event ship is a science one and then grind their hearts out. While at the same time KDF tactical and engineering players can just spend some money if they like the game and buy a career native ship from the C-Store. So KDF science players should be punsihed simply for choosing to play science, a career option that was offered to them by Cryptic. Can you see how that is bad and hurting those players yet??
Your simply not understanding what I said. Its very simple really and all game developers have to follow a basic design philosophy we know what they make for klingons as ships available to them and they all follow the typical klingon design philosophy. What they do is add from time-to-time a ship that the faction can access that is a pure science exploration ship. I have no problem with them doing that and have repeatedly said so. That does not hurt other players in the least. It accomodates them to a degree with some small effort on the part of the star trek theme to keep the basic klingon design intact.
The design has nothing to do with performance. Like another player previously said in this thread, they can make a flying Hyundai and slap it with destroyer stats. Or a toilet seat and give it science ship preformance. Therefore, a Klingon science ship could look exaclty like a Mat'Ha but be slapped with science stats and preformance. There's no rule about how science ships must look like. They can make a Klingon science ship while keeping the "basic Klingon design", as you call it, intact.
Furthermore, it has been said multiple times in this thread alone that a science ship for the KDF does not necessarily have to be of Klingon origin. Noone is asking for a *Klingon* science ship, but rather a KDF one - that can be made by any of the affiliated species. A T6 Gorn science vessel for ex.? Is that a problem for you as well?
you keep showing me ships that are not klingon telling me they are. I keep saying, but those are cross faction ship designs and how I would imagine they will add the next science ship. IN fact I would be very very suprised if they broke away from that because then it would make no sense at all.
The Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers are Klingon ships built based on new technologies discovered in the Solanae Dyson Sphere. The Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers are not cross-faction, my Romulan and Starfleet characters can't use my Nov.
Those are Klingon ships. You can dislike them, pretend they don't exist or pretend that they're not Klingon in your own headcanon - that still doesn't change the fact that they are Klignon ships.
This hurts no one. Its just that you want to "win" something. I am not begrudging them access to a sci ship. I am saying "but let it not be klingon" . That is all I said and there is absolutely nothing wrong or illogical with what I have said.
This is like the tenth time I say this in this thread - nobody said the ship has or needs to be of Klingon origin. It could very much be like it was until now - KDF science ships are of Gorn origin. After the multiple times I said that, you kept comming back and saying "If a KDF science ship is added I'll quit". :rolleyes:
they give us also warbirds etc which are more geared towards the different officer type as well which is pretty accomodating. So we have them producing right now ships that are t6 which are able to easily accomodate a sci officer. I dont see how them trying to make something that is still a little bit klingon as hurting other players.
They gave us warbirds? Can you point me to this mysterious KDF warbird, I may want to buy one!
what you want me to do is think like you do. say that I think its okay for them to do this. I dont. Its okay though they can use the cross faction ships that we both know they will produce that are going to be totally sciency.
Again, "cross-faction" does not mean what you think it means.
I ask that you stop over analysing what I say in an effort to twist things to have another meaning.
I will take note not to try to engage you in any meaninful discussion because you just want to be a forum warrior.
have a nice day.
translation "you win the internet" because your not really intersted in understanding what I say your just trying to have an argument and I am not arguing I just have been trying in every manner to explain it to you but you refuse to understand.
shpoks, maybe I can translate: ummax is saying that a Klingons' genitals would fall off the moment they would build a science ship. Because Klingons no science. Klingons hurr-durr. Klingons smash!
Basically, he's just trapped in the skewed space-orc mantra STO propagades.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
shpoks, maybe I can translate: ummax is saying that a Klingons' genitals would fall off the moment they would build a science ship. Because Klingons no science. Klingons hurr-durr. Klingons smash!
Basically, he's just trapped in the skewed space-orc mantra STO propagades.
not what i am saying actually and I am a she.
I have given up trying to explain the esthetics of it all and how it pretty much contradicts the entire design concept behind the klingon race thus far.. Its far too complicated for people here I think.
I ask that you stop over analysing what I say in an effort to twist things to have another meaning.
I will take note not to try to engage you in any meaninful discussion because you just want to be a forum warrior.
have a nice day.
translation "you win the internet" because your not really intersted in understanding what I say your just trying to have an argument and I am not arguing I just have been trying in every manner to explain it to you but you refuse to understand.
So you finally figured out that you have no idea what you were talking about. Good...good.
I realized you do understand me but your just trying to get a rise out of me. So i am politely asking you to refrain from it.
You might want to read up on what you just linked, you might reckognize some of what you're doing throughout this thread. But then again, you probably won't.
I wouldn't support a STO kickstarter for several reasons.
The first being they are not the old Cryptic with barely enough money to pay the rent. They are part of PWE, it's like asking if I would do a EA or Valve kickstarter.
For some reasons, some people are still acting like buying a ship is something that will help the poor dev put some food on the table.
And beyond that, I wouldn't pay because I would ends up with unfulfilled promises, lots of cash grabs, with grinds to hide the lack of content.
Pretty much STO nowadays.
No, I wouldn't support a Star Trek Online kickstarter project.
I'm more of a TOS fan (specifically the movies) and never REALLY warmed to the TNG era, with possible exception of DS9 (boring Star Wars space battles, but wonderfully deep stories and characterisation).
Any new game would probably take place after TNG, which isn't something I'd want to pledge my money to.
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and it'd give STO far more life than it already has seeing as it's based on a relatively old engine from 2007.
I'll just continue hitting you up with salads, so you can type more and more and amuse the community with your ignorance. The forum community is pretty grim these days and can use your comedy gold to cheer up and catch a few good laughs.
Actually it is you who seems completely ok with all the stupid decisions that happened so far (haven't seen you rant on any of them when they happened like you do here about this) , and then you turn around and call a completely valid request "stupid" and threathen to quit if it happens, even though it doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest. Now that is stupid.
And I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. That way all the people playing science in our faction would have access to a ship utilized for their career track and perhaps we'll even be spared of your ignorance.
You do not understand the lore. You don't know or understand the IP. And you sure as hell don't understand the Klingons or their society.
There is no Klingon carrier in the Star Trek lore. The only species shown and confirmed to utilize carriers in Star Trek canon are the Kazon. You have no idea what you're talking about.
And I'll also repeat it again - I hope the day comes sooner rather than later, so players that choose to play KDF science have access to a proper ship utilized for their career track and so we can be spared of your ignorance.
Oh and btw, there already are 3(4) Klingon science vessels with a Klingon name to them:
- Chontay Class
- MoQ Class
- Ta'Sub Class
- Nov Class
Leaving already?
Once again, I'm not sure if you really can be this ignorant or you're very sucesfully trolling not only me, but even a couple of us here.
It has alrady been said that a science ship for the KDF does not necessarily have to be of Klingon origin. Either you don't read and just reply while screaming "lalalalalala" with your fingers in your ears or you're trolling. There's no other explanation.
Show me who said that Klingons explored the galaxy with a Federation ship?
LMAO!!!
Once again, I you leave me with only >this< to say. *facepalm*
Nov, Chontay, MoQ, Ta'Sub........leaving already??
"the day they make a KLINGON science vessel is the day i quit the game"
no they are not true KLINGON!!!!!!!!! science vessels now are they
but your not here to do anything other then try to make the klingon faction a mirror copy of the fed side
carry on with your ludicrous interrogation because I have said what I needed to say and I am not repeating it any longer i will just copy and paste that statement as I have said
"the day they make a klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
one more time
"the day they make a Klingon science vessel is the day I quit the game"
now what was this about all those klingon Players who want a science vessel? not true was it.
Yeah, you think THIS game is a money grab?
Try this: http://i.imgur.com/LGpIGVB.png
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FREE HONG KONG! *
Ah, so we have a case of "I refuse reality and substitute with my own!" here!!
lol
Those are Klingon ships. With Klingon names. Klingon science ships. Built by Klingons, for Klingons!
If those aren't Klingon, then what is this? A Kazon raider?
How about this? A Dominion battlecruiser??
So as I said, either accept that you were wrong like any sensible person would or just quit the game already and stop trolling because there sure as hell are Klingon science ships in the game and they've been around for more than a year.
This is really just a game. We aren't actually in the Star Trek universe flying spaceships. If they made a flying Hyundai with a sub-atomic nuclear reversed-phase ionic electromagnetic pulsed laser cannon, I'd still fly it.
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FREE HONG KONG! *
The day they make a Klingon science vessel is the day i quit the game.
I really think you need to go reread my stuff you know in context and not do what your doing because your showing me how little you seem to understanad what I typed. I am pretty sure that they are still dyson ships like they were the last 100 times you showed them to me.
I actually proposed this in another thread since i get tired of hearing "wah wah wah" i want my fed to have X and "wah wah wah" i want my kling to have Y
Just make a single faction call it RKF put all the ships in a pile and take off the star strek title and call it "world of spaceships" and be done with it.
Somehow or other though because I speak sense and it conflicts with this RKF faction because I still want to keep a little bit of star trek in my game I am "illogical"
Fine give them science vessels and I will be true to my word and quit because then as far as I am concerned my faction since I appear to be the last holdout or something will be ruined for me. Save me the time and effort and posts where I try to express myself a bit. Because having a different point of view is in fact "bad"
Besides, getting so worked up over a ship seems a bit...off. I got Garfield chasing laser-wielding dinosaurs with his gingerbread man chasing after. A ship that can use some devastating abilities doesn't seem that far-fetched.
originally it was suggested in the thread that players would support a kickstarter for a klingon science ship. I stepped in and said if they go to that lenght I will quit. People are trying to convince me to change my mind. The logic being that science officers cannot function without a science ship and I should play one and find out.
I then responded , but I do have a klingon science officer and I dont need a science ship to be part of the game.
So that is where that comes from. I am simply indulging this guy as he repeatedly cuts and pastes the dyson faction ships which I actualy find pretty funny. After I already stated in the thread "perhaps they will design another cross faction ship" and predicted it would be a kobali ship because I felt that actually adding a true science explorer to the klingon faction and making it look and handle like a klingon ship would be well odd. Apparently this makes me crazy or something.
Anyhow I am sure he will be back to cut and paste his dyson ships again and I will reply again because its kinda funny to watch
Well I lost out on almost 700K dil ore in the conversion. Thats when I stopped paying...
I figure that if they won't give me currency, I won't give them currency... And they topped it with not paying me 2000 Zen worth of Stipends, and then insisting not to do anything about it.
And thats pretty much when I stopped trusting them...
I read it all allright, trust me even though at moments I wish I didn't.
The thing is - you're not making any sense whatsoever, but since you're the one not making sense you can't see that you're not making any sense.
What are "dyson ships"? Who made them? Gremlins? Fairies? Batman??
Those are ships of their respective factions, designed by their respective factions, built by each of their respective factions with the goal to utilize and implement new technology discovered in the Dyson Sphere. Ergo, the KDF ones are Klingon ships, the Fed ones are Starfleet ships and the RR ones and Romulan ships.
Having a different opinion is not bad. Having an opinion that hurts other innocent players just because they made a certain choice that was offered as an option to them by the game developer, while not altering your own gameplay in the slightest is very selfish, which is bad.
Anyway, forget Kickstarter. As I've said before, this is a commercial game. It's not a community project, it's not a game run by a bunch of friends, it's not a voluntary game that people graciously let us all play for free without asking anything in return.
We are customers using a commercial game run by a multi-national corporation that is rolling in cash.
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how does them not making a bird of prey into a science ship hurt other players? What part of "maybe they can make another cross faction science ship" make it so i am saying other players who are klingon cant have access to science ships. All I said was that making something that looks and smells klingon is a bad move and not sound from a design perspective. Any science ship put into the game for klinks to use has been added via some side faction because its explainable and make sense. I also said that they probably will add another science ship for klingons to access but I would be horrified if it were truly klingon, but I can handle say a kobali science ship that klinks can use? How is this hurting other players?
Your simply not understanding what I said. Its very simple really and all game developers have to follow a basic design philosophy we know what they make for klingons as ships available to them and they all follow the typical klingon design philosophy. What they do is add from time-to-time a ship that the faction can access that is a pure science exploration ship. I have no problem with them doing that and have repeatedly said so. That does not hurt other players in the least. It accomodates them to a degree with some small effort on the part of the star trek theme to keep the basic klingon design intact.
you keep showing me ships that are not klingon telling me they are. I keep saying, but those are cross faction ship designs and how I would imagine they will add the next science ship. IN fact I would be very very suprised if they broke away from that because then it would make no sense at all.
This hurts no one. Its just that you want to "win" something. I am not begrudging them access to a sci ship. I am saying "but let it not be klingon" . That is all I said and there is absolutely nothing wrong or illogical with what I have said.
they give us also warbirds etc which are more geared towards the different officer type as well which is pretty accomodating. So we have them producing right now ships that are t6 which are able to easily accomodate a sci officer. I dont see how them trying to make something that is still a little bit klingon as hurting other players.
what you want me to do is think like you do. say that I think its okay for them to do this. I dont. Its okay though they can use the cross faction ships that we both know they will produce that are going to be totally sciency.
Maybe I should think more before I post.
A bird of prey? What are you even talking about, your posts are very incoherent and difficult to track what you're on about. Who mentioned a bird of prey??
You also seem to lack the understanding of what "cross-faction" means. Cross faction ships are ships that are the same ship availible to all factions. One ship, exaclty same design, stats and performance regardless of which faction opened it. Loxkbox ships, lobi ships and event ships.
The DSDs are not cross-faction ships. They have different designs, access to different hull materials, different stats and basic preformance. They're similar in terms of being lazy built on a same platform, much as these new command ships or the Oddy/Bortas - but they're not cross-faction. The name says it all - "cross-faction" - a ship that can be used across all the factions. Starfleet characters can't purchase the Nov or MoQ for ex. It's not cross-faction.
In those terms, your suggestion that KDF science ships should only be cross-faction ships is borderline insane. You're basically saying that if KDF science players want a proper science ship they should either gamble hundreds of dollars or hope that an event ship is a science one and then grind their hearts out. While at the same time KDF tactical and engineering players can just spend some money if they like the game and buy a career native ship from the C-Store. So KDF science players should be punsihed simply for choosing to play science, a career option that was offered to them by Cryptic. Can you see how that is bad and hurting those players yet??
The design has nothing to do with performance. Like another player previously said in this thread, they can make a flying Hyundai and slap it with destroyer stats. Or a toilet seat and give it science ship preformance. Therefore, a Klingon science ship could look exaclty like a Mat'Ha but be slapped with science stats and preformance. There's no rule about how science ships must look like. They can make a Klingon science ship while keeping the "basic Klingon design", as you call it, intact.
Furthermore, it has been said multiple times in this thread alone that a science ship for the KDF does not necessarily have to be of Klingon origin. Noone is asking for a *Klingon* science ship, but rather a KDF one - that can be made by any of the affiliated species. A T6 Gorn science vessel for ex.? Is that a problem for you as well?
The Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers are Klingon ships built based on new technologies discovered in the Solanae Dyson Sphere. The Klingon Dyson Science Destroyers are not cross-faction, my Romulan and Starfleet characters can't use my Nov.
Those are Klingon ships. You can dislike them, pretend they don't exist or pretend that they're not Klingon in your own headcanon - that still doesn't change the fact that they are Klignon ships.
This is like the tenth time I say this in this thread - nobody said the ship has or needs to be of Klingon origin. It could very much be like it was until now - KDF science ships are of Gorn origin. After the multiple times I said that, you kept comming back and saying "If a KDF science ship is added I'll quit". :rolleyes:
They gave us warbirds?
Again, "cross-faction" does not mean what you think it means.
I ask that you stop over analysing what I say in an effort to twist things to have another meaning.
I will take note not to try to engage you in any meaninful discussion because you just want to be a forum warrior.
have a nice day.
translation "you win the internet" because your not really intersted in understanding what I say your just trying to have an argument and I am not arguing I just have been trying in every manner to explain it to you but you refuse to understand.
Basically, he's just trapped in the skewed space-orc mantra STO propagades.
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not what i am saying actually and I am a she.
I have given up trying to explain the esthetics of it all and how it pretty much contradicts the entire design concept behind the klingon race thus far.. Its far too complicated for people here I think.
So you finally figured out that you have no idea what you were talking about. Good...good.
okay please stop trolling that would be great thanks. Cause that is what your doing and you know it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#Psychological_characteristics
I realized you do understand me but your just trying to get a rise out of me. So i am politely asking you to refrain from it.
You might want to read up on what you just linked, you might reckognize some of what you're doing throughout this thread. But then again, you probably won't.
The first being they are not the old Cryptic with barely enough money to pay the rent. They are part of PWE, it's like asking if I would do a EA or Valve kickstarter.
For some reasons, some people are still acting like buying a ship is something that will help the poor dev put some food on the table.
And beyond that, I wouldn't pay because I would ends up with unfulfilled promises, lots of cash grabs, with grinds to hide the lack of content.
Pretty much STO nowadays.
I'm more of a TOS fan (specifically the movies) and never REALLY warmed to the TNG era, with possible exception of DS9 (boring Star Wars space battles, but wonderfully deep stories and characterisation).
Any new game would probably take place after TNG, which isn't something I'd want to pledge my money to.
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