Of course you are right to point out the silly and stupid nature of the comment you are responding to.
I just felt I had to point out however being from a country that leans socialist. Stating Marxism and Socialism as the precursors to Stalins verison of Communism... is like Saying Democracy and the Republic was the precursor or Fascism. What most people think of as "communism" is a heavily bastardize idea of what Marx envisioned. Many European countries and countries like my own Canada are examples of peaceful democratic socialists govs, much more line with the least extreme ideas of Marx.
i know that every ideology eventually spawns zealots and extremists, i mean, hell, even america has an unhealthy number of them spawned from ideologies originally created for equality, i'm just biased against marxism and communism, having been born in an european communist country. unless you lived through that hell you can't really compare.
there's still a very heavy opposition to anything called socialism or marxism here thanks to communist occupation that lasted for nearly half a century.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
This thread needs to be closed! Nimoy passed and it was truly saddening! However, someone creating a username like GhostSpock or whatever the handles in question are shouldn't bother anyone. People seemt o find the stupidest things to bicker about here! :mad:
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i know that every ideology eventually spawns zealots and extremists, i mean, hell, even america has an unhealthy number of them spawned from ideologies originally created for equality, i'm just biased against marxism and communism, having been born in an european communist country. unless you lived through that hell you can't really compare.
there's still a very heavy opposition to anything called socialism or marxism here thanks to communist occupation that lasted for nearly half a century.
Understandable. Of course when people use those terms they are often referencing something akin to the gov systems you are talking about. So I do understand your point completely.
Just felt I had to point it out Socialism works when its done right, countries like mine prove that is true. You can have a free society that also implements many of the ideals Marx wrote about. Marx was a great thinker and the father of sociology, I am sure the things attributed to him, and the people that cited him in there extremist views had him rolling in the grave. Those people pushed the greater ideals of Socialism backwards, as simply mentioning the idea brings up those extreme examples.
Its interesting that Star Treks future in terms of the federation is very much in line with a perfect Marxist system. (I would doubt we will ever truly get there... but it is a beautiful dream)
This thread needs to be closed! Nimoy passed and it was truly saddening! However, someone creating a username like GhostSpock or whatever the handles in question are shouldn't bother anyone. People seemt o find the stupidest things to bicker about here! :mad:
Agreed.
You over-sensitive babies are the reason why people tell Star Trek fans to get a life.
let's not forget nimoy's "I Am Not Spock" autobiography.
he himself didn't want to be recognized as the character he played, and yet everyone who cries in this topic does exactly that.
stepping all over the man's grave just because they saw someone else messing around with a character he used to play in the past and got upset, as if to them nimoy was still the same as spock.
if the characters on those screens were called ghost nimoy, then it might be more understandable, but it was just spock. a character he used to play, and grew to resent after fanboys kept treating him as one.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Yeah, because he was really talking about Internet Trolls...:rolleyes:
I think the bigger point being missed here is that the quote was originally brought up in response to someone pointing out that "Freedom of Speach" doesn't apply on a privately owned internet game/forum, which happens to be 100% fact.
Well if you feel that way, all that matters is what Cryptic thinks.
They have made themselves clear. We are not allowed to sell in game items or currency. As for everything else as long as we are not doing things that would be illegal in the real world such as threatening lives... or perpetuating hate speech. We are free to do as we please.
Trying to implore them to do other things or read there TOS in some other way is stupid and pointless. So may as well close this thread that is clearly trolling players for there choice of toon name.
Sadly the "Zombie Spock" was with the other undesirables on the day of the party amp fiasco.
The fact that he is still there says allot about the person behind the PC I think.:(
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Originally Posted by antoniosalieri
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemöller
So, following this idiotic comment, we should speak up for all kinds of criminals... pedophiles, mass murderers, corporate thieves and the like?
Not equating the trolls here to any of those things at all. Just found this quote to be ridiculous.
Heya valoreah,
Antonio Salieri is talking about war crimes committed by the TRIBBLE Party during World War Two.
And what that means is, if we do not speak up for every human's right to freedom from tyranny, then we ourselves might become subject to that very same tyranny. It means we all have the responsibility to guard each other from crime. We ARE our Brother's Keeper.
Antonio Salieri is talking about war crimes committed by the TRIBBLE Party during World War Two.
And what that means is, if we do not speak up for every human's right to freedom from tyranny, then we ourselves might become subject to that very same tyranny. It means we all have the responsibility to guard each other from crime. We ARE our Brother's Keeper.
Heya thetanine, Valoreah understood both the meaning and the context of the quote. He was instead complaining about the use here as overly dramatic and overblown rhetoric.
Bravely posting anonymously on a message board about what someone did to hurt your feelings in an online game is not really comparable to 'standing up for the socialists/trade unionists/jews' against TRIBBLE oppression, it's not even really comparable to being our "Brother's Keeper." To pretend that it is would be frankly ridiculous, and could even be seen as in poorer taste than the minor crime against being complained about in the original post.
While I find it mildly disrespectful.
I have to give credit to Zombie Spock (Spocks Brain... Get it ?)
Its quite the pun.
The other versions are no where near as clever as this guy's rendition.
The others...are really not worth mentioning. They're was nothing "smart" about them, just other copycats, jumping on the troll heap.
They give trolling a bad name.
With zombie Spock, I really do give that guy credit.
Now some may not like anyone using spocks name during this time, I completely understand their feelings. Some may not find zombie Spock amusing at all.
But ill give a pass to zombie Spock for creativity. Something the others sorely lacked.
Considering the level of thin skin afflicting people today, I would hate for them to get locked out of their house on a cold day. They would freeze to death. :rolleyes:
One of the Golden Rules of the intertubez: Do NOT feed the trolls (if you want them to go away).
Tears of nerd rage is like whipped cream on a desert to a troll. That's EXACTLY what you are treating them to when you whine about it on the game's forums. You know they are watching and savoring every drop.
Just ignore it. You'll be better off in the long run for it.
Heya thetanine, Valoreah understood both the meaning and the context of the quote. He was instead complaining about the use here as overly dramatic and overblown rhetoric.
Bravely posting anonymously on a message board about what someone did to hurt your feelings in an online game is not really comparable to 'standing up for the socialists/trade unionists/jews' against TRIBBLE oppression, it's not even really comparable to being our "Brother's Keeper." To pretend that it is would be frankly ridiculous, and could even be seen as in poorer taste than the minor crime against being complained about in the original post.
The line must be drawn somewhere. My point was its not any of our places to draw a line anywhere. Freedom for all or freedom for none. It reminds me of a great quote from Larry Flynt,
"You know, everybody believes in free speech until you start questioning them about it."
You either stand for free speech which means, you stand with people you may not agree with. Or you don't stand for free speech. It really is that simple. Some one is now going to rehash the "this is a private site" stuff again... and all I will say is how quick people like to trot out "free speech" when its something they are saying, and say TROLL, and enforce the Private site TOS when it isn't.
Naming a digital avatar ghost Spock hardly qualifies as criminal behaviour. His respond wasn't... that is mellow dramatic Mr. Salieri, his response was why not defend Pedophiles. That was somewhat ridiculous.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Yep, still totally lost I see. This had nothing to do with free speech.
Some folk simply aren't worth defending and it is absolutely up to each and every one of us to draw a line to determine what we believe is acceptable and what is not.
When the majority stops standing up for the minority, you should know what happens. If you don't I urge you to get yourself into a few good history lessons. If your in High school engage your teachers, if your in Collage/University your professors. If your in neither you can sit in on some really great classes free of charge these days with the amazing interwebs.
You can draw a line for yourself of course... what you CAN NOT do is draw a line for others. The line for anyone is the legal limit.
You had the right idea when you got to this thread. If you don't like them, Ignore them. Everyone is free to draw there own line and ignore others. None of us have the right to demand they say nothing. Even the OP has every right to come here and say "here's a new low" The op never asked for these people to be punished or removed as others have... that is crossing a line and attempting to use there possibly majority standing to impose there view.
To sum it up EVERYONE is worthy of having there freedom protected. As long as what they are practicing or preaching is with the law. I won't stand for Criminal behaviour (I think you should be able to admit your earlier post was wrong), I won't stand with those promoting hate (which surely is illegal as well as immoral)... I will however stand by someone saying something that may not be popular, I may not even agree. Its there right to say it with out oppression that makes a free society in fact free.
I know I quote others often but I can't help this one;
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." Thomas Jefferson
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i know that every ideology eventually spawns zealots and extremists, i mean, hell, even america has an unhealthy number of them spawned from ideologies originally created for equality, i'm just biased against marxism and communism, having been born in an european communist country. unless you lived through that hell you can't really compare.
there's still a very heavy opposition to anything called socialism or marxism here thanks to communist occupation that lasted for nearly half a century.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
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Understandable. Of course when people use those terms they are often referencing something akin to the gov systems you are talking about. So I do understand your point completely.
Just felt I had to point it out Socialism works when its done right, countries like mine prove that is true. You can have a free society that also implements many of the ideals Marx wrote about. Marx was a great thinker and the father of sociology, I am sure the things attributed to him, and the people that cited him in there extremist views had him rolling in the grave. Those people pushed the greater ideals of Socialism backwards, as simply mentioning the idea brings up those extreme examples.
Its interesting that Star Treks future in terms of the federation is very much in line with a perfect Marxist system. (I would doubt we will ever truly get there... but it is a beautiful dream)
Agreed.
You over-sensitive babies are the reason why people tell Star Trek fans to get a life.
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he himself didn't want to be recognized as the character he played, and yet everyone who cries in this topic does exactly that.
stepping all over the man's grave just because they saw someone else messing around with a character he used to play in the past and got upset, as if to them nimoy was still the same as spock.
if the characters on those screens were called ghost nimoy, then it might be more understandable, but it was just spock. a character he used to play, and grew to resent after fanboys kept treating him as one.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Well if you feel that way, all that matters is what Cryptic thinks.
They have made themselves clear. We are not allowed to sell in game items or currency. As for everything else as long as we are not doing things that would be illegal in the real world such as threatening lives... or perpetuating hate speech. We are free to do as we please.
Trying to implore them to do other things or read there TOS in some other way is stupid and pointless. So may as well close this thread that is clearly trolling players for there choice of toon name.
Nah, maybe just :facepalm: instead...
Sadly the "Zombie Spock" was with the other undesirables on the day of the party amp fiasco.
The fact that he is still there says allot about the person behind the PC I think.:(
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Heya valoreah,
Antonio Salieri is talking about war crimes committed by the TRIBBLE Party during World War Two.
And what that means is, if we do not speak up for every human's right to freedom from tyranny, then we ourselves might become subject to that very same tyranny. It means we all have the responsibility to guard each other from crime. We ARE our Brother's Keeper.
Heya thetanine, Valoreah understood both the meaning and the context of the quote. He was instead complaining about the use here as overly dramatic and overblown rhetoric.
Bravely posting anonymously on a message board about what someone did to hurt your feelings in an online game is not really comparable to 'standing up for the socialists/trade unionists/jews' against TRIBBLE oppression, it's not even really comparable to being our "Brother's Keeper." To pretend that it is would be frankly ridiculous, and could even be seen as in poorer taste than the minor crime against being complained about in the original post.
I have to give credit to Zombie Spock (Spocks Brain... Get it ?)
Its quite the pun.
The other versions are no where near as clever as this guy's rendition.
The others...are really not worth mentioning. They're was nothing "smart" about them, just other copycats, jumping on the troll heap.
They give trolling a bad name.
With zombie Spock, I really do give that guy credit.
Now some may not like anyone using spocks name during this time, I completely understand their feelings. Some may not find zombie Spock amusing at all.
But ill give a pass to zombie Spock for creativity. Something the others sorely lacked.
One of the Golden Rules of the intertubez: Do NOT feed the trolls (if you want them to go away).
Tears of nerd rage is like whipped cream on a desert to a troll. That's EXACTLY what you are treating them to when you whine about it on the game's forums. You know they are watching and savoring every drop.
Just ignore it. You'll be better off in the long run for it.
The line must be drawn somewhere. My point was its not any of our places to draw a line anywhere. Freedom for all or freedom for none. It reminds me of a great quote from Larry Flynt,
"You know, everybody believes in free speech until you start questioning them about it."
You either stand for free speech which means, you stand with people you may not agree with. Or you don't stand for free speech. It really is that simple. Some one is now going to rehash the "this is a private site" stuff again... and all I will say is how quick people like to trot out "free speech" when its something they are saying, and say TROLL, and enforce the Private site TOS when it isn't.
Naming a digital avatar ghost Spock hardly qualifies as criminal behaviour. His respond wasn't... that is mellow dramatic Mr. Salieri, his response was why not defend Pedophiles. That was somewhat ridiculous.
What if it's just an alt for mining dilithium at the Vlugta Asteroid Field?
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When the majority stops standing up for the minority, you should know what happens. If you don't I urge you to get yourself into a few good history lessons. If your in High school engage your teachers, if your in Collage/University your professors. If your in neither you can sit in on some really great classes free of charge these days with the amazing interwebs.
You can draw a line for yourself of course... what you CAN NOT do is draw a line for others. The line for anyone is the legal limit.
You had the right idea when you got to this thread. If you don't like them, Ignore them. Everyone is free to draw there own line and ignore others. None of us have the right to demand they say nothing. Even the OP has every right to come here and say "here's a new low" The op never asked for these people to be punished or removed as others have... that is crossing a line and attempting to use there possibly majority standing to impose there view.
To sum it up EVERYONE is worthy of having there freedom protected. As long as what they are practicing or preaching is with the law. I won't stand for Criminal behaviour (I think you should be able to admit your earlier post was wrong), I won't stand with those promoting hate (which surely is illegal as well as immoral)... I will however stand by someone saying something that may not be popular, I may not even agree. Its there right to say it with out oppression that makes a free society in fact free.
I know I quote others often but I can't help this one;
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." Thomas Jefferson
My Bajoran loves to use ramming speed.
Exactly... I thought for a split second about linking that. To good. lol
Agreed
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