that doesn't make sense at all... so you want one department to stop all work and not get paid so another completely different department can work extra? These people get salary, they're not contractors...
You're assuming the only resources that go toward new content are the salaries of the employees.
they would have to be fleet level, with 11 console. no 3 pack/9 pack ship has been sold thats less then fleet level.
im starting to wonder if fleet tier6 is ever even going to happen though
With that 3000 Zen per boat being the same price as the standard T6...I was expecting 3500 (like the 2000 vs. 2500 T5 angle) while wondering what the 3pack pricing would be (5k for a 3pack of 2500 ships, what would it be for a 3pack of 3500 ships sort of thing)...
...it also gets into that 4pc console set bonus. Heh, a 4pc console set on a 10 console boat?
Yeah, it sounds well planned out to "drive" folks toward spending on Fleet upgrades later.
We've already got Fleet T6 non-faction boats...Benthan, Hazari, Sarr Theln, Astika, Manasa, and Samsar. So have to figure Fleet upgrades for the T6 boats has to be coming at some point.
I am a LTS and have yet to buy a ship in this game. The prices are simply too much for me. I'm getting to the point where I might actually be able to if I use my saved up Zen stipend, but if you want me to buy just one ship every time a new one is released at least let my stipend for the period between releases cover half the cost.
I have to say, I really like these designs. It will be interesting to see their stats. You guys are doing a great job with original designs overall. The Guardian and Faeht were both excellent and the KDF looked good too. These command ships look even better.
They all are developers, the one Group for the ships the other for functionaly code.
Mather of fact is that there are many bugs in the game so the Design Grou could fix their bugs befor designing new ships with new bugs.
And all together they should test the things they develop ingame and not only in their mind.
It is easy to develop some code, compile it and think, that should work at all...
But you see the result. There are bugs in the game which Shows that this is the Standard procedure by Cryptic.
And if it is not worse enough there is nobody left in the developers team who knows the original code.
You have an extremely poor understanding of everything you just stated.
I am a LTS and have yet to buy a ship in this game. The prices are simply too much for me. I'm getting to the point where I might actually be able to if I use my saved up Zen stipend, but if you want me to buy just one ship every time a new one is released at least let my stipend for the period between releases cover half the cost.
You are not forced to buy a new ship everytime. No one says that. Use a Fleet T5-U ship and let others help you find a good build.
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I'm honestly not that bothered about a new T6 ship for my main unless I can slot it with MVAM... back in the day Cryptic did say that it was possible it wouldn't be exclusive to Prometheus Escort range.
I didn't say that either. lol I have a good build but I would love to buy new ships if I could afford it.
What I do: I don't need everything right now so I always wait until ship sales happen if I really want a ship for my collection. Think I bought about 4 ships with the last 20% sale.
If you haven't started doing your command specialisation, you should have enough time left until you start thinking about those expensive ships.
The Romulan ships? Drop dead Gorgeous. Dead Sexy. They are the Miss Colombia in this game. It's clear that the art department has the Romulan Aesthetic down pat. It looks like you create new Romulan designs for fun.
Alright, I went through gif frame by frame. Some of them are actually pretty cool looking.
Perhaps you should release shots of them from another angle. That head on apply directly to the forehead angle...that didn't do any favors.
Because those versions of the ship's command module that are flat nosed....I'm reminded of one of my Mom's old cheers. U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you ugly *clap clap* You Ugly.
But I'm gonna end off on a highly positive note, because if you guys put that much customization into every ship from here on out. *Grand Applause* Bravo on that. That is a LOT of ship variants and I'm impressed.
I'm not parting with 480k dilithium, but good work.
they would have to be fleet level, with 11 console. no 3 pack/9 pack ship has been sold thats less then fleet level.
im starting to wonder if fleet tier6 is ever even going to happen though
It dawns on me that by Cryptic established practice Fleet Tier 6 ships would require a new Fleet Holding. Grinding out the ones we have has decimated many a fleet. I'm not sure the game can take another one. I say leave Tier 6 be.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
It dawns on me that by Cryptic established practice Fleet Tier 6 ships would require a new Fleet Holding. Grinding out the ones we have has decimated many a fleet. I'm not sure the game can take another one. I say leave Tier 6 be.
Then the T6 will always be outclassed by Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships which are FT6 and not T6...
I understand why the Guardian couldn't have a Command seat when it first came out - because Command didn't exist yet as a specialization - but doesn't it make much more sense to have one of those instead of an Intel slot? Make it so.
Then the T6 will always be outclassed by Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships which are FT6 and not T6...
Do the new T6 Lobi ships have more consoles?
That said, from my perspective that's the standard. Lobi ships have been the highest tier ships for a while now. They certainly lorded over the Tier 5 ships for ages.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
That said, from my perspective that's the standard. Lobi ships have been the highest tier ships for a while now. They certainly lorded over the Tier 5 ships for ages.
Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships are Fleet-level boats, including having 11 consoles vs. the 10 consoles of the Standard T6 boats.
Just like they had 10 consoles compared to the Standard T5 boats with their 9 consoles.
The Samsar is a FT6 boat with 11 consoles. Going to one of the new Command Ships will mean giving up a console slot.
Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships are Fleet-level boats, including having 11 consoles vs. the 10 consoles of the Standard T6 boats.
Just like they had 10 consoles compared to the Standard T5 boats with their 9 consoles.
The Samsar is a FT6 boat with 11 consoles. Going to one of the new Command Ships will mean giving up a console slot.
So do you think we're looking at another fleet holding or will they add them to the old ones?
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
I will say I am not particularly inclined to the KDF ships. That being said I really appreciate the fact that the ships have several customization options. I feel that customization was a strength of this game and having it show up again, especially for the KDF makes me feel optimistic.
I will hold my judgement of the KDF ships until I can see different angles. I like the Romulan ships, but I do not spend anything outside of my KDF character.
I kind of wish we can use older models on new ships. The Bortasqu has such a command feel to it. Now that is something I would pay for.
But I digress, the models may yet grow on me. I ended up not minding the mogh after a while. Far from my favorite model, but flyable. The Matha is a great design. But the Qin and Bortasqu is the best work cryptic has done in my eyes.
So do you think we're looking at another fleet holding or will they add them to the old ones?
New fleet holding is my guess. Gotta keep that carrot going.
You need a fleet to grind a fleet holding to create fleet ships of ships you already own so you can buy fleet modules to upgrade them so they can be obsolete when the next ship tier comes out, which will need you to buy new ships all over again.
Alot of people have spent alot of money buying t5 ships or keys trying to unlock boxes for them. Then, we get to spend more money for t6 ships, while our t5 ships are near useless now. But hey, good news is, we get to spend more money on more new ships that make the last ships obsolete. The worst thing is, all this in a very short time span. Pat yourself on the back all you want for trying to make a pretty ship, honestly, most of them ain't that pretty, unless you like a ship that looks like a bottle opener. New content? You must mean those long, drawn out, boring missions that have to be run over and over to get different gear. Retoricle question, how many players left because of Delta Rising? Take a hint, you want to keep your player base happy, try giving them what they have been asking for for years. Stop giving the feds a new group of ships every time someone farts or when the feds cry over the Klingon faction being so much better. Hey, here's another idea, pay attention to the Klingon side for a change. I, as well as at least most the community do realize that this is a business for you, but I think many of us forgot that this is a game for us. Oh, and before I forget, I want to remind you to nerf everything we like, just incase you missed something. I do appreciate the efforts, just like most of us do, but hell, it almost doesn't pay to start a new toon or build a new boat when in two weeks your gear is nerfed or your new ship already needs to be replaced with "the next big thing". So, thanks for everything, and, at the same time, thanks for nothing.
Virusdancer, if you're basing your Tier 6 and not FT6 theory only on their price, I believe you're merely speculating.
After all, the 2000 Zen/2500 Zen isn't a divide between T5 and FT5 ships. While all FT5 C-Store ships cost 2500 Zen, many of only Tier 5 ones also do cost 2500 Zen (of the top of my head, I'd say a majority, with only the older released ships being 2000 Zen).
What i mean to say: If these aren't Fleet level, there's very little chance to get Zen from me. After all, I still haven't gotten the Dyson ones, despite the recent addition of faction hull materials (I admit, since that addition, I've considered getting them many a time).
EDIT: Forgot to chime in on the future Fleet versions of current Tier 6 ships: Those will sure be in a new Fleet holding. A little surprised it's not on us yet, frankly.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Please, please, NO more T6 Cruisers. This is really getting Ridiculous. You have made so many cruisers that the comparison of the number of T6 Escorts and Science ships is just crazy. Look at the number of T6 cruisers you have released; At the release of Delta Rising, you released 2 cruisers, 2 science, and 1 escort. Just after release you added another science with the updated Voyager.
Then you added Delta Rising lockbox T6 ships starting with the Benthan Assault Cruiser, thankfully you added the Hazari T6 Escort, even though finding any T6 ship usually costs twice the amount of a Zen ship if you are lucky.
Then in the Vaadwaur lockbox we get the Manasa Escort, and the Astika Heavy Battlecruiser. Then for the winter event we had the Breen Sarr Theln Carrier, the Elachi Sheshar Dreadnaught Cruiser, and someone said a Breen Escort was offered, but I cant confirm that.
Now the anniversary ship is a T6 Cruiser.
Now you want to add Command Battlecruisers as a 3 pack.
So lets see, we have 10 Cruisers, 3 Science, 3 escorts, maybe 4 if the claim on the Breen escort was accurate.
Why the obsession with cruisers? And I know people are going to say, but BattleCruisers are crossover tactical ships, umm, no. Unless it had a Command- Tactical, its not for Tactical. I dont like to fly cruisers as I enjoy my escorts. Sadly I cannot afford any T6 ship from the Zen store or Lobi/Lockbox, and I missed the Winter event so if there truely was a T6 escort, I am bummed. I will at least get the anniversary ship so I will have 1 T6 ship, but not an Escort.
Lets please STOP with the cruiser fest and give Science and Tactical some love with some nice escorts and science ships. Please?!?!?!
Please, please, NO more T6 Cruisers. This is really getting Ridiculous. You have made so many cruisers that the comparison of the number of T6 Escorts and Science ships is just crazy. Look at the number of T6 cruisers you have released; At the release of Delta Rising, you released 2 cruisers, 2 science, and 1 escort. Just after release you added another science with the updated Voyager.
Then you added Delta Rising lockbox T6 ships starting with the Benthan Assault Cruiser, thankfully you added the Hazari T6 Escort, even though finding any T6 ship usually costs http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/images/smilies/biggrin.giftwice the amount of a Zen ship if you are lucky.
Then in the Vaadwaur lockbox we get the Manasa Escort, and the Astika Heavy Battlecruiser. Then for the winter event we had the Breen Sarr Theln Carrier, the Elachi Sheshar Dreadnaught Cruiser, and someone said a Breen Escort was offered, but I cant confirm that.
Now the anniversary ship is a T6 Cruiser.
Now you want to add Command Battlecruisers as a 3 pack.
So lets see, we have 10 Cruisers, 3 Science, 3 escorts, maybe 4 if the claim on the Breen escort was accurate.
Why the obsession with cruisers? And I know people are going to say, but BattleCruisers are crossover tactical ships, umm, no. Unless it had a Command- Tactical, its not for Tactical. I dont like to fly cruisers as I enjoy my escorts. Sadly I cannot afford any T6 ship from the Zen store or Lobi/Lockbox, and I missed the Winter event so if there truely was a T6 escort, I am bummed. I will at least get the anniversary ship so I will have 1 T6 ship, but not an Escort.
Lets please STOP with the cruiser fest and give Science and Tactical some love with some nice escorts and science ships. Please?!?!?!
Cruiser's are popular for their size and shape, Carrier's are not cruisers, but I'm sure their will be more tactical ships later. They are popular enough, also at release their were 3 escorts/tactical the rom one and the fed one and kdf .
I'm honestly hoping they will eventually rebalanced engineering abilities especially their commander rank,ensign ones so they have more viable chooses and more powerful tools. Which for the most part tactical ships do have with exception to ensign level. Which is about as bare for cannon users.
Science has some abilities which are just mind blowingly weak as they add new abilities i worry they won't even look at the old ones
Command ships were rarely escorts outside the defiant. No science ship was ever seen as a command ship. So it makes since for another cruiser like command ship. What doesn't make sense IMO is that the flag ship based ships weren't the first Teir 6 command vessels.
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You're assuming the only resources that go toward new content are the salaries of the employees.
With that 3000 Zen per boat being the same price as the standard T6...I was expecting 3500 (like the 2000 vs. 2500 T5 angle) while wondering what the 3pack pricing would be (5k for a 3pack of 2500 ships, what would it be for a 3pack of 3500 ships sort of thing)...
...it also gets into that 4pc console set bonus. Heh, a 4pc console set on a 10 console boat?
Yeah, it sounds well planned out to "drive" folks toward spending on Fleet upgrades later.
We've already got Fleet T6 non-faction boats...Benthan, Hazari, Sarr Theln, Astika, Manasa, and Samsar. So have to figure Fleet upgrades for the T6 boats has to be coming at some point.
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You have an extremely poor understanding of everything you just stated.
That was from Shakespear :P
You are not forced to buy a new ship everytime. No one says that. Use a Fleet T5-U ship and let others help you find a good build.
I didn't say that either. lol I have a good build but I would love to buy new ships if I could afford it.
What I do: I don't need everything right now so I always wait until ship sales happen if I really want a ship for my collection. Think I bought about 4 ships with the last 20% sale.
If you haven't started doing your command specialisation, you should have enough time left until you start thinking about those expensive ships.
Beautiful. Solid Starfleet style designs.
The Romulan ships? Drop dead Gorgeous. Dead Sexy. They are the Miss Colombia in this game. It's clear that the art department has the Romulan Aesthetic down pat. It looks like you create new Romulan designs for fun.
But those Klingon ships man *Kicks trashcan*....
http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/WTF-Picard-meme.jpg
FAM!
Alright, I went through gif frame by frame. Some of them are actually pretty cool looking.
Perhaps you should release shots of them from another angle. That head on apply directly to the forehead angle...that didn't do any favors.
Because those versions of the ship's command module that are flat nosed....I'm reminded of one of my Mom's old cheers. U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you ugly *clap clap* You Ugly.
But I'm gonna end off on a highly positive note, because if you guys put that much customization into every ship from here on out. *Grand Applause* Bravo on that. That is a LOT of ship variants and I'm impressed.
I'm not parting with 480k dilithium, but good work.
It dawns on me that by Cryptic established practice Fleet Tier 6 ships would require a new Fleet Holding. Grinding out the ones we have has decimated many a fleet. I'm not sure the game can take another one. I say leave Tier 6 be.
Then the T6 will always be outclassed by Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships which are FT6 and not T6...
Do the new T6 Lobi ships have more consoles?
That said, from my perspective that's the standard. Lobi ships have been the highest tier ships for a while now. They certainly lorded over the Tier 5 ships for ages.
Lock Box, Lobi, and Event ships are Fleet-level boats, including having 11 consoles vs. the 10 consoles of the Standard T6 boats.
Just like they had 10 consoles compared to the Standard T5 boats with their 9 consoles.
The Samsar is a FT6 boat with 11 consoles. Going to one of the new Command Ships will mean giving up a console slot.
So do you think we're looking at another fleet holding or will they add them to the old ones?
I will hold my judgement of the KDF ships until I can see different angles. I like the Romulan ships, but I do not spend anything outside of my KDF character.
I kind of wish we can use older models on new ships. The Bortasqu has such a command feel to it. Now that is something I would pay for.
But I digress, the models may yet grow on me. I ended up not minding the mogh after a while. Far from my favorite model, but flyable. The Matha is a great design. But the Qin and Bortasqu is the best work cryptic has done in my eyes.
New fleet holding is my guess. Gotta keep that carrot going.
You need a fleet to grind a fleet holding to create fleet ships of ships you already own so you can buy fleet modules to upgrade them so they can be obsolete when the next ship tier comes out, which will need you to buy new ships all over again.
I guess I'll have to wait until you guys do a science specialization to actually get a real science ship.
*runs back under the bridge* :P
After all, the 2000 Zen/2500 Zen isn't a divide between T5 and FT5 ships. While all FT5 C-Store ships cost 2500 Zen, many of only Tier 5 ones also do cost 2500 Zen (of the top of my head, I'd say a majority, with only the older released ships being 2000 Zen).
What i mean to say: If these aren't Fleet level, there's very little chance to get Zen from me. After all, I still haven't gotten the Dyson ones, despite the recent addition of faction hull materials (I admit, since that addition, I've considered getting them many a time).
EDIT: Forgot to chime in on the future Fleet versions of current Tier 6 ships: Those will sure be in a new Fleet holding. A little surprised it's not on us yet, frankly.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
The Romulan Command Ops Warbird
The Klingon war cruiser
And a side view of the Fed command cruiser, Tac-version (which I figure is very relevant to your interests right now)
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Then you added Delta Rising lockbox T6 ships starting with the Benthan Assault Cruiser, thankfully you added the Hazari T6 Escort, even though finding any T6 ship usually costs twice the amount of a Zen ship if you are lucky.
Then in the Vaadwaur lockbox we get the Manasa Escort, and the Astika Heavy Battlecruiser. Then for the winter event we had the Breen Sarr Theln Carrier, the Elachi Sheshar Dreadnaught Cruiser, and someone said a Breen Escort was offered, but I cant confirm that.
Now the anniversary ship is a T6 Cruiser.
Now you want to add Command Battlecruisers as a 3 pack.
So lets see, we have 10 Cruisers, 3 Science, 3 escorts, maybe 4 if the claim on the Breen escort was accurate.
Why the obsession with cruisers? And I know people are going to say, but BattleCruisers are crossover tactical ships, umm, no. Unless it had a Command- Tactical, its not for Tactical. I dont like to fly cruisers as I enjoy my escorts. Sadly I cannot afford any T6 ship from the Zen store or Lobi/Lockbox, and I missed the Winter event so if there truely was a T6 escort, I am bummed. I will at least get the anniversary ship so I will have 1 T6 ship, but not an Escort.
Lets please STOP with the cruiser fest and give Science and Tactical some love with some nice escorts and science ships. Please?!?!?!
Have you seen the new KDF ships??
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No, I never read any Wall of texts if people are to lazy to push the return button.
I'm honestly hoping they will eventually rebalanced engineering abilities especially their commander rank,ensign ones so they have more viable chooses and more powerful tools. Which for the most part tactical ships do have with exception to ensign level. Which is about as bare for cannon users.
Science has some abilities which are just mind blowingly weak as they add new abilities i worry they won't even look at the old ones
Command ships were rarely escorts outside the defiant. No science ship was ever seen as a command ship. So it makes since for another cruiser like command ship. What doesn't make sense IMO is that the flag ship based ships weren't the first Teir 6 command vessels.