I'd rather pay 12,000 zen to upgrade my T5U ship to have specializations than to fly those things :rolleyes:
Plus Commander Engi... gross
I do not think I would pay or grind that much when there is T6 ships for much less. But I would definetely pay a reasonable amount for a T5U -> T6 upgrade. The state it is, I do not think it is worth upgrading the ship at all.
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As far as being unable to train BOFFs in Intelligence (and Command), that's false.
For around 300k on the exchange, you can buy a Specialization token under the Intel tab to traind any Boff into Intel (they all come with the same basic Intel set). Then you just search for and pay for the Rank III abilities you want/need.
Command also already has some Rank III skills and the Specialization token available on the exchange as well. Those were going for 1M or so for the Command Spec and more than that for Rank III skills.
It's really just a matter of how badly you need those Rank III skills and the Specialization PADD. The Specialization tokens are Ultra Rare in color and rarity, if you need help searching them up.
So if you really want Intel SROs, you can now do so if you don't already have the DR bundle BOFFs (or if you want more in any case).
It's not false... you can buy all the manuals you want but if you don't have that specialization qualification as a captain... meaning you have spent 10 spec points or 1.5 million skill points in that specialization tree you can't train in those abilities --manual or not.
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Oh well. New ships... Does the captains quarter have some customization options & will they come with Boff quarters where I can hang out with my staff for some poker or maybe just to get to know them better?
... bored of even more mobile gun platforms. Why not release something different? A crew deck! A whole crew deck level of a big sized starfleet/klingon/romulan cruiser applicable to all "true" fraction ships replacing the one we have with the new cooler one. That would be something new! But noonoonoo, just another thing that shoots beams/cannons again.
The new ship's look nice, that's right...
But i think we all can wait a few month to buy this ships but we cannot wait for Fixing bugs with the old ones and the rest of the game.
So please make a new priority list on developement and establish a functioning Quality Management because if you don't do that, there would be nobody left to by those ships.
what is wrong with that kdf design, I have a few idea's first of all the textures very much do not help the ship they aren't hiding at all that the ship is merely a bunch of intersecting planes. This is really disheartening. The other problems are just too many very flat long and wide surfaces.
I don't usually complian or critic cryptic designs, some simply arn't my cup of tea but, most do at least adhere to a good art standards the game has put forth so far. But these kdf ships are step backwards in terms of quality.
I look forward to the fed and romulan ships. But I really was hoping for Teir 6 flagship command ships.
I really like the Romulan ones on this - and knowing we got customization and seeing the options up front is really nice after the intel ships and it wasn't obvious.
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Love the customization options and thanks for remembering all three factions this time. A bit "meh" on the across the board commander engineer boff seat. I was hoping for science or tactical for one of three at least.
ROM looks amazing, fed looks fed,but I agree with so many others, kdf not so hot. Again, its been said before, what's wrong with the classic Klingon D7 style? Can't we get a cruiser like that please?
True, but the money Cryptic spent on developing these new ships could have been redirected to the dept that does handle bug fixes and instability.
that doesn't make sense at all... so you want one department to stop all work and not get paid so another completely different department can work extra? These people get salary, they're not contractors...
As for the ship? IDK yet, I'll need more info before I think about buying. One thing though, these will be the first flight deck cruisers for the feds.
what is wrong with that kdf design, I have a few idea's first of all the textures very much do not help the ship they aren't hiding at all that the ship is merely a bunch of intersecting planes. This is really disheartening.
I don't usually complian or critic cryptic designs, some simply arn't my cup of tea but, most do at least adhere to a good art standards the game has put forth so far. But these kdf ships are step backwards in terms of quality.
I look forward to the fed and romulan ships. But I really was hoping for Teir 6 flagship command ships.
I see a lot of complaints about the way the KDF ships look. With the exception of the Ice-Scraper head piece, I think they don't look too bad. Reminiscent of the Orion Flight-Deck carriers...which makes sense, since they're flight deck carriers.
Frankly, they look considerably more Klingon than the Qib does. Sorry, but that thing is not Klingon-looking enough.
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They're cool and all, but like many others, I'd much prefer the ability to upgrade existing ships. My main is a Ferengi, and no matter what snazy new ships you come out with, there's going to be a need to stick with my D'kora. Now if you wanted to get me excited about throwing some money at goods and services, you'd give me the means to further upgrade my D'kora, from T5U to T6, adding Intelligence and/or Command support, and while you're at it, some new material skins for appearance customization to make it match some of the other Fed styles (or KDF styles, to go along with making Ferengi available to the Klingons). While I'm on that subject, I'd really love if my Klingon Fed Captain had access to a Fed-skinned B'rolth. Yeah, the KDF might be offended, but what are they gonna do, go to war with us?
I play all three factions but KDF is my favorite so I concur with the opinion of my fellow players that say' "Wow those KDF command ships are ugly." I don't have tons of money to spend - when I spent it on a ship, I gotta love it, not only for abilities but looks are also important. I just don't love these.
Please make us a T6 Bird of Prey and a real T6 Science ship for KDF. A variation on a proven, current design is fine.
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I see a lot of complaints about the way the KDF ships look. With the exception of the Ice-Scraper head piece, I think they don't look too bad. Reminiscent of the Orion Flight-Deck carriers...which makes sense, since they're flight deck carriers.
Frankly, they look considerably more Klingon than the Qib does. Sorry, but that thing is not Klingon-looking enough.
They all are developers, the one Group for the ships the other for functionaly code.
Mather of fact is that there are many bugs in the game so the Design Grou could fix their bugs befor designing new ships with new bugs.
And all together they should test the things they develop ingame and not only in their mind.
It is easy to develop some code, compile it and think, that should work at all...
But you see the result. There are bugs in the game which Shows that this is the Standard procedure by Cryptic.
And if it is not worse enough there is nobody left in the developers team who knows the original code.
The pricing was also a bit of a surprise...means things are going to be more expensive because they're cheaper. ie, these aren't going to be FT6 ships - they're T6 ships - so when it comes time to FT6 them, each character will have to Fleet them...which will cost more in the long run than if they had been more expensive now and FT6 ships. Thinking back to the previous 3packs which were FT5 boats...hrmmm, oh well.
they would have to be fleet level, with 11 console. no 3 pack/9 pack ship has been sold thats less then fleet level.
im starting to wonder if fleet tier6 is ever even going to happen though
ROM looks amazing, fed looks fed,but I agree with so many others, kdf not so hot. Again, its been said before, what's wrong with the classic Klingon D7 style? Can't we get a cruiser like that please?
I wish they would look to some of the old fasa designs for inspiration for all 3 factions. I would pay 200 USD for a 9 ship pack with designs based off Klingon L-20 and D-10 , romulan winged defender and whitwind, fed chanley and thufir classes. I can dream can't I?
They all are developers, the one Group for the ships the other for functionaly code.
Mather of fact is that there are many bugs in the game so the Design Grou could fix their bugs befor designing new ships with new bugs.
And all together they should test the things they develop ingame and not only in their mind.
It is easy to develop some code, compile it and think, that should work at all...
But you see the result. There are bugs in the game which Shows that this is the Standard procedure by Cryptic.
And if it is not worse enough there is nobody left in the developers team who knows the original code.
that doesn't make sense at all... so you want one department to stop all work and not get paid so another completely different department can work extra? These people get salary, they're not contractors...
You're assuming the only resources that go toward new content are the salaries of the employees.
they would have to be fleet level, with 11 console. no 3 pack/9 pack ship has been sold thats less then fleet level.
im starting to wonder if fleet tier6 is ever even going to happen though
With that 3000 Zen per boat being the same price as the standard T6...I was expecting 3500 (like the 2000 vs. 2500 T5 angle) while wondering what the 3pack pricing would be (5k for a 3pack of 2500 ships, what would it be for a 3pack of 3500 ships sort of thing)...
...it also gets into that 4pc console set bonus. Heh, a 4pc console set on a 10 console boat?
Yeah, it sounds well planned out to "drive" folks toward spending on Fleet upgrades later.
We've already got Fleet T6 non-faction boats...Benthan, Hazari, Sarr Theln, Astika, Manasa, and Samsar. So have to figure Fleet upgrades for the T6 boats has to be coming at some point.
I am a LTS and have yet to buy a ship in this game. The prices are simply too much for me. I'm getting to the point where I might actually be able to if I use my saved up Zen stipend, but if you want me to buy just one ship every time a new one is released at least let my stipend for the period between releases cover half the cost.
I have to say, I really like these designs. It will be interesting to see their stats. You guys are doing a great job with original designs overall. The Guardian and Faeht were both excellent and the KDF looked good too. These command ships look even better.
They all are developers, the one Group for the ships the other for functionaly code.
Mather of fact is that there are many bugs in the game so the Design Grou could fix their bugs befor designing new ships with new bugs.
And all together they should test the things they develop ingame and not only in their mind.
It is easy to develop some code, compile it and think, that should work at all...
But you see the result. There are bugs in the game which Shows that this is the Standard procedure by Cryptic.
And if it is not worse enough there is nobody left in the developers team who knows the original code.
You have an extremely poor understanding of everything you just stated.
I am a LTS and have yet to buy a ship in this game. The prices are simply too much for me. I'm getting to the point where I might actually be able to if I use my saved up Zen stipend, but if you want me to buy just one ship every time a new one is released at least let my stipend for the period between releases cover half the cost.
You are not forced to buy a new ship everytime. No one says that. Use a Fleet T5-U ship and let others help you find a good build.
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I do not think I would pay or grind that much when there is T6 ships for much less. But I would definetely pay a reasonable amount for a T5U -> T6 upgrade. The state it is, I do not think it is worth upgrading the ship at all.
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It's not false... you can buy all the manuals you want but if you don't have that specialization qualification as a captain... meaning you have spent 10 spec points or 1.5 million skill points in that specialization tree you can't train in those abilities --manual or not.
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I mean, it'd be poor form to execute someone for being competent.
Oh well. New ships... Does the captains quarter have some customization options & will they come with Boff quarters where I can hang out with my staff for some poker or maybe just to get to know them better?
... bored of even more mobile gun platforms. Why not release something different? A crew deck! A whole crew deck level of a big sized starfleet/klingon/romulan cruiser applicable to all "true" fraction ships replacing the one we have with the new cooler one. That would be something new!
But i think we all can wait a few month to buy this ships but we cannot wait for Fixing bugs with the old ones and the rest of the game.
So please make a new priority list on developement and establish a functioning Quality Management because if you don't do that, there would be nobody left to by those ships.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
True, but the money Cryptic spent on developing these new ships could have been redirected to the dept that does handle bug fixes and instability.
I don't usually complian or critic cryptic designs, some simply arn't my cup of tea but, most do at least adhere to a good art standards the game has put forth so far. But these kdf ships are step backwards in terms of quality.
I look forward to the fed and romulan ships. But I really was hoping for Teir 6 flagship command ships.
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ROM looks amazing, fed looks fed,but I agree with so many others, kdf not so hot. Again, its been said before, what's wrong with the classic Klingon D7 style? Can't we get a cruiser like that please?
that doesn't make sense at all... so you want one department to stop all work and not get paid so another completely different department can work extra? These people get salary, they're not contractors...
As for the ship? IDK yet, I'll need more info before I think about buying. One thing though, these will be the first flight deck cruisers for the feds.
I see a lot of complaints about the way the KDF ships look. With the exception of the Ice-Scraper head piece, I think they don't look too bad. Reminiscent of the Orion Flight-Deck carriers...which makes sense, since they're flight deck carriers.
Frankly, they look considerably more Klingon than the Qib does. Sorry, but that thing is not Klingon-looking enough.
Thats not nice. I just asked because I didnt know about the recent changes in the team.
Please make us a T6 Bird of Prey and a real T6 Science ship for KDF. A variation on a proven, current design is fine.
They all are developers, the one Group for the ships the other for functionaly code.
Mather of fact is that there are many bugs in the game so the Design Grou could fix their bugs befor designing new ships with new bugs.
And all together they should test the things they develop ingame and not only in their mind.
It is easy to develop some code, compile it and think, that should work at all...
But you see the result. There are bugs in the game which Shows that this is the Standard procedure by Cryptic.
And if it is not worse enough there is nobody left in the developers team who knows the original code.
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they would have to be fleet level, with 11 console. no 3 pack/9 pack ship has been sold thats less then fleet level.
im starting to wonder if fleet tier6 is ever even going to happen though
I wish they would look to some of the old fasa designs for inspiration for all 3 factions. I would pay 200 USD for a 9 ship pack with designs based off Klingon L-20 and D-10 , romulan winged defender and whitwind, fed chanley and thufir classes. I can dream can't I?
O...kay.
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You're assuming the only resources that go toward new content are the salaries of the employees.
With that 3000 Zen per boat being the same price as the standard T6...I was expecting 3500 (like the 2000 vs. 2500 T5 angle) while wondering what the 3pack pricing would be (5k for a 3pack of 2500 ships, what would it be for a 3pack of 3500 ships sort of thing)...
...it also gets into that 4pc console set bonus. Heh, a 4pc console set on a 10 console boat?
Yeah, it sounds well planned out to "drive" folks toward spending on Fleet upgrades later.
We've already got Fleet T6 non-faction boats...Benthan, Hazari, Sarr Theln, Astika, Manasa, and Samsar. So have to figure Fleet upgrades for the T6 boats has to be coming at some point.
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You have an extremely poor understanding of everything you just stated.
That was from Shakespear :P
You are not forced to buy a new ship everytime. No one says that. Use a Fleet T5-U ship and let others help you find a good build.