Questioning someone's judgement is saying they don't have the capacity for cognitive reasoning or thought, it could be interpreted as calling them stupid. Given that you've now said this, that's hopefully not the intention. A lot of the replies from people who've had the issue arise seem to be from perfectly sound minded people who've run it a few times. Not unreasonable to assume they know how to do the mission.
As to the AFK parameters, no one knows bar Cryptic. Perhaps there is some odd sequence of actions that triggers it somehow, who knows.
We have their word and empirical evidence. It's enough as we have no reason to doubt them, nor hard evidence to the contrary.
Questioning someone's judgement does not imply what you said, and you seem to be bent on putting words in my mouth. Judgement can be impaired for a number of reasons, not just a lack of intelligence, although this IS the internet so anything goes. Just as a simple example, I know there are more than a few people who play this while drinking, and it's a hard fact that alcohol consumption can impair judgement. Further, as I already said and as you agreed, we don't know all the rules. Judgement can be impaired by a lack of knowledge such as this.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
I'm doing the undine infiltration, stopping maybe max 15 sec to read the clues. For the rest I was running all over the place. The team failed the mission (didn't defended the orb correctly). Anyway, back at ESD I'm like ok, let's do the undine assault instead. But I can't, what I see...
2h AFK penalty
What the...! :mad:
Looks like I'm not the only one to complaint so far. I don't think this thing work as intended because thousands of player already complained about being penalized for nothing.
So until they do something that work CORRECTLY, this system should be removed.
Anyone else want to express their frustration? :rolleyes:
The exact same thing happened to me. What frustrates me more than any of this is the LACK OF COMMUNICATION on cryptic's part. What does it take to get them to acknowledge an issue? Money. It's not affecting something that can be bought, so they're not going to worry about it.
1) Even if you didn't get an AFK penalty, you can't just start up another one. The normal cooldown is still there. The fact that you don't know this makes me inclined to say your making a story up.
LOL. The afk penalty prevents you from running joining or starting any que. The cooldown only affects the mission you just ran. The fact that you don't know this makes me inclined to say you're not needed in the conversation.
Questioning someone's judgement does not imply what you said, and you seem to be bent on putting words in my mouth.
Judgement can be impaired for a number of reasons, not just a lack of intelligence, although this IS the internet so anything goes. Just as a simple example, I know there are more than a few people who play this while drinking, and it's a hard fact that alcohol consumption can impair judgement.
Actually it does, so I'm afraid you're wrong there. It is but one of a number of possibilites, for example the one you alluded to, intoxication. No words were put into your mouth so to speak, just continuing a theme as it were.
Further, as I already said and as you agreed, we don't know all the rules. Judgement can be impaired by a lack of knowledge such as this.
It's rather inaccurate to say judgement here. It would be more a case of awareness or understanding given the possible/likely abscence of some information, namely all the rules.
I think understanding and awareness is pretty good actually. On reflection, you can't really judge something until you are aware of all pertaining details/information. But well said in any case.
Everyone just try and have fun now.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
When the missions fails because the one of the objectives isn't met, and you are given the reward and you then leave the mission YOU SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN A LEAVER PENALTY!
Twice now I have been given a leaver penalty for leaving advanced queues AFTER being given the 10 mark reward following the failure of the objective.
Ground mission -
Additionally I was given an AFK penalty when I was clearing suspects. How can one be given an AFK penalty when ONE IS PLAYING THE ****ING MISSION?
Perhaps its a side effect of changes being made in anticipation of the up coming events. However I doubt it.
Also while your at it, READ THE ****ING BUG REPORTS! - Borg Alert for many of the sectors is still broken in that after defeating 4th borg group the missions stalls as no ship appears.
What happened to those unique forum ranks I paid for?
Welcome to the club! I understand the frustration.
It happened to me too during the Undine infiltration, didn't shoot a whole lot of targets but I was doing the interrogations. I played this mission 20+ times and it was the first time it happened to me. Still wondering why
I made a thread about it too. Some forum trolls will probably asking proofs about it or else they will think your full of TRIBBLE and it's Working As Intended since it didn't happen to them...yet.
I think it's good that players complaint about it, maybe it will push the devs to fix it.
LOL. The afk penalty prevents you from running joining or starting any que. The cooldown only affects the mission you just ran. The fact that you don't know this makes me inclined to say you're not needed in the conversation.
Actually, all queues are locked for 2h....all of them
A problem I have found is that my connection to the server drop when loading into the Cure found advanced mission. By the time I had been able to log back in the mission was already completed and I was hit with the AFK penalty. Why am I being penalized because I got dropped by the system? It's bad enough that I didn't get the rewards but now having to wait two hours is annoying to no end. Can't the servers tell when someone has been disconnected and when someone is actually logged in?
You don't receive a 2hr afk penalty in undine infiltration, unless you are actually afk.
If the mission failed, than it would have the leave option button, with timer ticking down before being booted from the map.
Why is that?
Because I have run this mission countless times, mostly succeeding, whilst some fails here and there and, not once have I ever seen nor, been handed a freaking afk penalty for doing nothing but running around questioning the npcs, before engaging the informant and, entering the cave if we make it this far.
Sorry, I for 1 do not buy into this story at all and, like my signature in yellow says VVV!
I have ran the mission countless times as well. More than I can count. When Is ay it happened it happend. If you cannot accept that then well too bad. It happened and well I have recordings of the mission to prove it. And I already uplinked them with the bug report along with the report.
What happened to those unique forum ranks I paid for?
By the way the bug is as follows for those too unwilling to accept it as a bug:
If you are running the mission clearing suspects and DEFEND THE ORB sub mission activates and you do not join the fray within X seconds and deliver damage greater than X%, you are AFK'ed.
This means if you are at the top of the map clearing a suspect and the Defend Orb sub missions kicks in, and you run like hell to defend the orb but don't make it within say 5 or 6 seconds, you get an AFK penalty.
THAT IS A BUG! - If not, then someone at cryptic really dropped the ****ing ball.
What happened to those unique forum ranks I paid for?
Welcome to the club! I understand the frustration.
It happened to me too during the Undine infiltration, didn't shoot a whole lot of targets but I was doing the interrogations. I played this mission 20+ times and it was the first time it happened to me. Still wondering why
I made a thread about it too. Some forum trolls will probably asking proofs about it or else they will think your full of TRIBBLE and it's Working As Intended since it didn't happen to them...yet.
I think it's good that players complaint about it, maybe it will push the devs to fix it.
Thank you. I am still at awe that it happened and in my last post I think I explained, at least in my opinion, why it happens. Both times it occured, second being a few moments ago, I was in the middle of clearing a suspect. By the time I was done, I was AFK'd. So ya I think its a laggit bug issue that should addressed. Otherwise wait to clear the suspepcts until after the secondary objective mission is completed.
I haven't tried that yet but it stand to reason that it might stop the AFK issue when players are not AFK. (BTW, I like the AFK penalty in general. I just hate it when its broken like this.)
What happened to those unique forum ranks I paid for?
NO IT'S NOT. I have done that mission a million times and I particpate in the defend the orb almost never because I have all the answers memorized and the mission goes faster if I just answer the questions really really fast. I have never gotten an afk penalty because I was busy answering questions. So I call bunk on your bunk.
Haven't seen any proof people are being penalized at random. We have the ability to make videos of our game play yet we've never seen an AFKer post a video showing he wasn active the whole time but still got penalized. The guilty always pretend to be innocent. :rolleyes:
So... people are supposed to load up Fraps, or whatever else one might use to record, and then record their game play every time they join a queable?
That is absurdly laughable. Just because you have never had something happen directly to you, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, or that it hasn't.
You shouldn't have to have above X amount of DPS, in order to notbe flagged as AFK.
Thanks for reminding me why I log in maybe once a month, if that. This game flat out stinks, and some of you forumites are just plain ignorant, nasty bullies. I hope to God none of you ever breed.
Putting out fires counts as damage, so it won't trigger a penalty.
I've got an archive of test runs I've recorded, but no luck. Pugging has produced no good results, either because I deal damage or I keep getting protester fires...WHICH IS 90% OF THE TIME for some reason. I'll have to ask fleet or find some peeps to set up a controlled run.
No. Only when you want to prove to Cryptic that there's a bug. Otherwise as far as Cryptic's concerned the penalty is WAI.
Smh....:rolleyes: - not everyone has been able to repeat this ad nauseum yet. Otherwise I'm pretty sure there would be recordings by now. You may read into the fact that with no comment from Cryptic on this that it is WAI to them, but you don't speak for them. So you don't know and can't be sure.
Yes the complainers here on the forum frequently get down right nasty and insulting when civilly and politely asked to provide confirmation something isn't working.
Oh boy, this earned you the facepalm comment of the thread award and pretty much confirms what the guy himself said. Right from the start your compatriot shadowwraith77 has been ascerbic, vitriolic, angry, nasty and self serving about this idea. And you've joined him laterally on some of this.
Evidence has been provided as has been discussed and accepted by quite a few different players in this thread. Empirical evidence dude, empirical evidence.
You guys just can't seem to let this rest until everyone comes around to your point of view...smh, just smh.
No really, how the heck are you answering questions without having to go through some bajorians again?
Sometimes when they trigger, they don't attack anyone. They just sit there. You can still shoot them, but they won't attack you. You can run circles around them screaming "OCCUPY BAJOR!" and they still won't do anything.
Smh....:rolleyes: - not everyone has been able to repeat this ad nauseum yet. Otherwise I'm pretty sure there would be recordings by now. You may read into the fact that with no comment from Cryptic on this that it is WAI to them, but you don't speak for them. So you don't know and can't be sure.
I don't think you can tell him about living in the real world. You appear not to be.
Fair point, we don't know for certain that they haven't in some other way or form.
Maybe he's just a kind of hopeful that it'll get better and is sticking around for that.
Oh boy, this earned you the facepalm comment of the thread award and pretty much confirms what the guy himself said. Right from the start your compatriot shadowwraith77 has been ascerbic, vitriolic, angry, nasty and self serving about this idea. And you've joined him laterally on some of this.
Evidence has been provided as has been discussed and accepted by quite a few different players in this thread. Empirical evidence dude, empirical evidence.
You guys just can't seem to let this rest until everyone comes around to your point of view...smh, just smh.
Still waiting to see this so called evidence, because saying so, doesn't mean actual evidence.
I had the same bug as op in Undine Infiltration Advanced. I checked for Undine spies while others were defending the orb. After the defence failed (and therefore the whole mission) I left through the "leave map now" button and got an 2 hour afk penalty.
I think that it may have to do with me not shooting anything before the mission failed. I didn't fight any Undine (or Bajorans) as I tried to clear/quarantine the people as quickly as possible. So I got a penalty, because I was concentrating on a mission objective that didn't involve fighting. Thanks Cryptic for reminding me that everything besides killing countless nameless aliens is meaningless in this game. :rolleyes:
Saying so does make evidence. Empircal evidence. :rolleyes:
Because you didn't see something, does not mean it doesn't or has happened. You've been told this several times already.
This is true. Ignore him mate, it's your best option. Although he has couched his language somewhat since the start, he's either just needling people when he's away from his bridge or his ego is getting in the way.
Sorry, but I refuse to go through a bunch of hassle getting video evidence of this bug occuring just to satisfy one obtusely cynical forum poster who refuses to believe the multiple people who are reporting this as if we have a reason to lie about it. I filed a bug report to document it for the people who can actually do something to fix it and am discussing it here to bring more attention to it. We do not owe you any kind of proof because doing so achieves absolutely nothing.
If you want to recreate it yourself, here is what I did:
a) Run through the Undine Infiltration (Elite) mission and question 7 of the suspects, answering correctly on all 7.
b) Fire on and incapacitate one Bajoran Citizen and tag them for transport.
c) Have the "Protect the Orb" objective fail before you can make it over to the orb to assist the rest of the team.
d) Receive AFK penalty despite completing the above actions.
I was busily completing the mission objectives and was penalized for doing so. Did I do any substantial DPS on this mission? No, I didn't. The objectives I was completing do not involve significant combat, therefore, I should not be penalized for being AFK when I was completing non-combat objectives and their system can verify that I was actively completing them and not "inactive"/idle (which is what the AFK penalty should primarily be addressing). Since it did, this feature is bugged, and it should be addressed because I was not AFK - whether you believe it or not.
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Questioning someone's judgement does not imply what you said, and you seem to be bent on putting words in my mouth. Judgement can be impaired for a number of reasons, not just a lack of intelligence, although this IS the internet so anything goes. Just as a simple example, I know there are more than a few people who play this while drinking, and it's a hard fact that alcohol consumption can impair judgement. Further, as I already said and as you agreed, we don't know all the rules. Judgement can be impaired by a lack of knowledge such as this.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
The exact same thing happened to me. What frustrates me more than any of this is the LACK OF COMMUNICATION on cryptic's part. What does it take to get them to acknowledge an issue? Money. It's not affecting something that can be bought, so they're not going to worry about it.
LOL. The afk penalty prevents you from running joining or starting any que. The cooldown only affects the mission you just ran. The fact that you don't know this makes me inclined to say you're not needed in the conversation.
Actually it does, so I'm afraid you're wrong there. It is but one of a number of possibilites, for example the one you alluded to, intoxication. No words were put into your mouth so to speak, just continuing a theme as it were.
It's rather inaccurate to say judgement here. It would be more a case of awareness or understanding given the possible/likely abscence of some information, namely all the rules.
Everyone just try and have fun now.
Twice now I have been given a leaver penalty for leaving advanced queues AFTER being given the 10 mark reward following the failure of the objective.
Ground mission -
Additionally I was given an AFK penalty when I was clearing suspects. How can one be given an AFK penalty when ONE IS PLAYING THE ****ING MISSION?
Perhaps its a side effect of changes being made in anticipation of the up coming events. However I doubt it.
Also while your at it, READ THE ****ING BUG REPORTS! - Borg Alert for many of the sectors is still broken in that after defeating 4th borg group the missions stalls as no ship appears.
It happened to me too during the Undine infiltration, didn't shoot a whole lot of targets but I was doing the interrogations. I played this mission 20+ times and it was the first time it happened to me. Still wondering why
I made a thread about it too. Some forum trolls will probably asking proofs about it or else they will think your full of TRIBBLE and it's Working As Intended since it didn't happen to them...yet.
I think it's good that players complaint about it, maybe it will push the devs to fix it.
Actually, all queues are locked for 2h....all of them
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
There where good people posting them, with good intent, some people where breaking the ToS.
I have ran the mission countless times as well. More than I can count. When Is ay it happened it happend. If you cannot accept that then well too bad. It happened and well I have recordings of the mission to prove it. And I already uplinked them with the bug report along with the report.
If you are running the mission clearing suspects and DEFEND THE ORB sub mission activates and you do not join the fray within X seconds and deliver damage greater than X%, you are AFK'ed.
This means if you are at the top of the map clearing a suspect and the Defend Orb sub missions kicks in, and you run like hell to defend the orb but don't make it within say 5 or 6 seconds, you get an AFK penalty.
THAT IS A BUG! - If not, then someone at cryptic really dropped the ****ing ball.
Thank you. I am still at awe that it happened and in my last post I think I explained, at least in my opinion, why it happens. Both times it occured, second being a few moments ago, I was in the middle of clearing a suspect. By the time I was done, I was AFK'd. So ya I think its a laggit bug issue that should addressed. Otherwise wait to clear the suspepcts until after the secondary objective mission is completed.
I haven't tried that yet but it stand to reason that it might stop the AFK issue when players are not AFK. (BTW, I like the AFK penalty in general. I just hate it when its broken like this.)
Did you shoot any Bajorans along the way?
Does it really matter?
I have had this mission fail within the first 10secs., no one got any shots in, no afk penalty.
I have had this fail at the orb defense and, yes before I can get there, no afk penalty.
I have had it fail during a fire extinguishing event, no afk penalty.
So, I disbelieve people receiving it, unless they themselves are part of the cause.
Would like to see genuine proof of this issue myself.
Maybe the penalized, are amongst the dotes that don't realize to set weapons to stun, who knows.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
So... people are supposed to load up Fraps, or whatever else one might use to record, and then record their game play every time they join a queable?
That is absurdly laughable. Just because you have never had something happen directly to you, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, or that it hasn't.
You shouldn't have to have above X amount of DPS, in order to notbe flagged as AFK.
Thanks for reminding me why I log in maybe once a month, if that. This game flat out stinks, and some of you forumites are just plain ignorant, nasty bullies. I hope to God none of you ever breed.
I've got an archive of test runs I've recorded, but no luck. Pugging has produced no good results, either because I deal damage or I keep getting protester fires...WHICH IS 90% OF THE TIME for some reason. I'll have to ask fleet or find some peeps to set up a controlled run.
Smh....:rolleyes: - not everyone has been able to repeat this ad nauseum yet. Otherwise I'm pretty sure there would be recordings by now. You may read into the fact that with no comment from Cryptic on this that it is WAI to them, but you don't speak for them. So you don't know and can't be sure.
I don't think you can tell him about living in the real world. You appear not to be.
Fair point, we don't know for certain that they haven't in some other way or form.
Maybe he's just a kind of hopeful that it'll get better and is sticking around for that.
Oh boy, this earned you the facepalm comment of the thread award and pretty much confirms what the guy himself said. Right from the start your compatriot shadowwraith77 has been ascerbic, vitriolic, angry, nasty and self serving about this idea. And you've joined him laterally on some of this.
Evidence has been provided as has been discussed and accepted by quite a few different players in this thread. Empirical evidence dude, empirical evidence.
You guys just can't seem to let this rest until everyone comes around to your point of view...smh, just smh.
LOL. Good one!
Sometimes when they trigger, they don't attack anyone. They just sit there. You can still shoot them, but they won't attack you. You can run circles around them screaming "OCCUPY BAJOR!" and they still won't do anything.
Still waiting to see this so called evidence, because saying so, doesn't mean actual evidence.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I think that it may have to do with me not shooting anything before the mission failed. I didn't fight any Undine (or Bajorans) as I tried to clear/quarantine the people as quickly as possible. So I got a penalty, because I was concentrating on a mission objective that didn't involve fighting. Thanks Cryptic for reminding me that everything besides killing countless nameless aliens is meaningless in this game. :rolleyes:
:facepalm:
Saying so does make evidence. Empircal evidence. :rolleyes:
Because you didn't see something, does not mean it doesn't or has happened. You've been told this several times already.
This is true. Ignore him mate, it's your best option. Although he has couched his language somewhat since the start, he's either just needling people when he's away from his bridge or his ego is getting in the way.
If you want to recreate it yourself, here is what I did:
a) Run through the Undine Infiltration (Elite) mission and question 7 of the suspects, answering correctly on all 7.
b) Fire on and incapacitate one Bajoran Citizen and tag them for transport.
c) Have the "Protect the Orb" objective fail before you can make it over to the orb to assist the rest of the team.
d) Receive AFK penalty despite completing the above actions.
I was busily completing the mission objectives and was penalized for doing so. Did I do any substantial DPS on this mission? No, I didn't. The objectives I was completing do not involve significant combat, therefore, I should not be penalized for being AFK when I was completing non-combat objectives and their system can verify that I was actively completing them and not "inactive"/idle (which is what the AFK penalty should primarily be addressing). Since it did, this feature is bugged, and it should be addressed because I was not AFK - whether you believe it or not.