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Stupid AFK penalty...without been AFK. Just remove it

huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
So,

I'm doing the undine infiltration, stopping maybe max 15 sec to read the clues. For the rest I was running all over the place. The team failed the mission (didn't defended the orb correctly). Anyway, back at ESD I'm like ok, let's do the undine assault instead. But I can't, what I see...

2h AFK penalty :confused:

What the...! :mad:

Looks like I'm not the only one to complaint so far. I don't think this thing work as intended because thousands of player already complained about being penalized for nothing.

So until they do something that work CORRECTLY, this system should be removed.

Anyone else want to express their frustration? :rolleyes:
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
    So,

    I'm doing the undine infiltration, stopping maybe max 15 sec to read the clues. For the rest I was running all over the place. The team failed the mission (didn't defended the orb correctly). Anyway, back at ESD I'm like ok, let's do the undine assault instead. But I can't, what I see...

    2h AFK penalty :confused:

    What the...! :mad:

    Looks like I'm not the only one to complaint so far. I don't think this thing work as intended because thousands of player already complained about being penalized for nothing.

    So until they do something that work CORRECTLY, this system should be removed.

    Anyone else want to express their frustration? :rolleyes:

    You don't receive a 2hr afk penalty in undine infiltration, unless you are actually afk.

    If the mission failed, than it would have the leave option button, with timer ticking down before being booted from the map.

    Why is that?

    Because I have run this mission countless times, mostly succeeding, whilst some fails here and there and, not once have I ever seen nor, been handed a freaking afk penalty for doing nothing but running around questioning the npcs, before engaging the informant and, entering the cave if we make it this far.

    Sorry, I for 1 do not buy into this story at all and, like my signature in yellow says VVV!
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  • proteus2003proteus2003 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    huntor2 wrote: »
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    because thousands of player already complained about being penalized for nothing.
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    Anyone else want to express their frustration? :rolleyes:


    They don't need to. Apparently thousands already have.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    LOL!!! If they removed every system in the game that was bugged, about all that would be left would be the AFK penalty.
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  • ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Anyone who says the AFK system is not bugged or is WAI, well, you're wrong. I've never had the UIE oenalty, but I have seen it happen to someone in our fleet so I know it happens. Hopefully it's quite a rare thing.

    The only ground I've had AFK problems on has been BHE. But touch wood that's just been the one time.

    In space? Yeah, the AFK system is still definitely bugged.
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
  • jasonl21jasonl21 Member Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The OP's grammar and stuff is a little off, but he's essentially correct. The AFK system is bugged for ground STFs as it is for space. It's just not as prevalent.

    OP, ignore shadowwraith77. He doesn't know what he's talking about here. Showing a bit too much hubris in his post as well just makes him look more foolish.
  • khenaliankhenalian Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I can vouch for this. I interrogated 7 suspects before the STF failed due to the orb not being defended, and I received an AFK penalty at the end of it. I filed a ticket which got a canned response telling me to wait until the penalty expired.

    If the system is penalizing players who aren't AFK, it should be deactivated until such time as it can be fixed. This just encourages me to stay away from the queues even more now.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,522 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I thoroughly support the AFK penalty that they brought in, however, like others have mentioned it's bugged.

    What needs to happen is if a player is AFK for a specified amount of time, say 60 secs, the system auto-boots and applies the penalty. This should resolve the aforementioned issue. I still see a few people who AFK during STF's and it rightly miffs me off that they get a reward at the end for just sitting there.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Any kind of automatic player behavior detection is doomed to fail. Because people are creative and computers are not.

    The current "1% damage" will render false positives in some situations while no doubt being easy for real AFKers to get around by doing that 1% damage before going AFK.

    The "X seconds idle" suggestion would be overcome simply by weighing down a movement button or something.

    Etc, etc...

    And despite all the crying on the forums, I've never seen many AFKers in queues, before or after the penalty implementation.

    So yes, they should remove the whole thing.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yet to be proven so, WAI.

    Sorry but, a bunch of people claiming it is bugged and, not showing any actual proof, I say are full of TRIBBLE.

    Get over it and, enjoy your penalty!
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  • captinwh0captinwh0 Member Posts: 783 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Yeah...calling BS on this one.

    1) Even if you didn't get an AFK penalty, you can't just start up another one. The normal cooldown is still there. The fact that you don't know this makes me inclined to say your making a story up.

    umm. this falls within my experience, iv seen it happen
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    This also happened to me. I focused on correctly interrogating suspects so I haven't attacked anything on the map. Apparently that was enough for the game to think I was AFK and slapped a 2 hour ban on me.

    SO YEAH, if you're going the interrogation route, be sure to shoot as many Bajorans on the map as you can. :P
  • ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yet to be proven so, WAI.

    Sorry but, a bunch of people claiming it is bugged and, not showing any actual proof, I say are full of TRIBBLE.

    Get over it and, enjoy your penalty!

    I'm actually laughing at this post....thanks dude. Talk about full of TRIBBLE... :rolleyes:
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
  • jasonl21jasonl21 Member Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yet to be proven so, WAI.

    Sorry but, a bunch of people claiming it is bugged and, not showing any actual proof, I say are full of TRIBBLE.

    Get over it and, enjoy your penalty!

    Yet to be disproved so, not WAI.

    People are not claiming, it has happened to them. Can you show proof it is not bugged?? Just because in your experience it has never happened, doesn't mean it can't.

    What a prat, your bridge is calling.
  • jasonl21jasonl21 Member Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Unless you get Cryptic to acknowledges there's a bug it's WAI. And ignoring complaints isn't an admission somethings broke.

    Not where it has been stated a system was designed to work a certain way and then it doesn't. I dunno if I missed the bit where they said people would get penalised at random or something. ;)

    However if we were to have a list of all acknowledged bugs in the game, it'd possibly be a long list.

    Ignoring complaints is also not an admission something is working.
  • jasonl21jasonl21 Member Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Haven't seen any proof people are being penalized at random.

    That's nice. Still doesn't mean it's not happening.
    We have the ability to make videos of our game play yet we've never seen an AFKer post a video showing he wasn active the whole time but still got penalised.

    Not everypone records videos. Not everyone expects to be called a liar. There is other issues in the game where videos or pictures aren't need to prove anything. More than one person has said it's happened to them.
    The guilty always pretend to be innocent. :rolleyes:

    Ummm. No, no they don't. If anyone is guilty of anything here however, it is you for such a nonsensical post. Thanks for contributing though.
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Wow, some of you are being really uptight about this...

    I could try to record something, if people REALLY need to see it for themselves. I'll do as I did before, focus on interrogations but not fire on anybody, or put out flames since that seems to count as damage.

    Of course, you can always just queue up yourself, or get together with friends or fleetmates and experiment. Like I said, I believe the reason I got the penalty after failing to defend the orb was because I didn't show up as being active due to not attacking NPCs.
  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Haven't seen any proof people are being penalized at random. We have the ability to make videos of our game play yet we've never seen an AFKer post a video showing he wasn active the whole time but still got penalized. The guilty always pretend to be innocent. :rolleyes:

    actually this is not entirely true, I remember someone posting a video of a borg space stf a few weeks ago.....of course the video showed he was wasting a lot of time and his build was awful so maybe that's a bad example :D
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    actually this is not entirely true, I remember someone posting a video of a borg space stf a few weeks ago.....of course the video showed he was wasting a lot of time and his build was awful so maybe that's a bad example :D

    He was effectively afk that run. In a several minute long CSA (or perhaps normal, I don't remember seeing), it's obvious there were no uber-dps'ers, and it was also obvious that he basically did nothing that run. He managed to spend perhaps all of 15 seconds with a target in range selected, and he wasn't even firing during all of that time. There is no possible way for the game to tell the difference between someone not wanting to help the team trying to skirt the penalty and someone doing exactly what he did, and again, the AFK penalty exists to ensure that everyone has some kind of a meaningful contribution, which we can all agree he didnt.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Recorded two attempts. First one went smoothly. The second, we failed to defend the orb, but I didn't get slapped with a penalty due to combat participation. Although my team must have felt bewildered because we were ALL there defending the orb with modest skill and firepower. We pretty much roflstopped the Undine, yet we still failed. :confused:

    EDIT: Apparently one of the TRIBBLE managed to psi-blast the orb... lol

    I'll upload that second one if anyone wants to see it. :P
  • crowley875crowley875 Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I take it that these AFK penalties which are given for no reason, is one of the reasons the PvE queue's are dead?
  • ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    crowley875 wrote: »
    I take it that these AFK penalties which are given for no reason, is one of the reasons the PvE queue's are dead?

    Possibly. Another reason is people don't want to fail with people who are either trolling the queues or just have no idea whatsoever on methods etc. A lot of STF runs are now done through channels.
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    "Meanwhile, in AFK Headquarters..."
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  • huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You don't receive a 2hr afk penalty in undine infiltration, unless you are actually afk.

    ...other people in this thread, just said they got one without reason too or know players that got also false positives.

    Well, I'm SOOO sorry that I don't record ALL of my queues just in case I got a false positive! :rolleyes: lol

    The day that I got a AFK penalty and I am really AFK, I will be humble enough to accept it and shut my mouth. But that's not what happened. Simple as that sir!

    Btw, english is not my first language so give me a chance about my grammar :P
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  • knightnbluknightnblu Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have run that mission with fleet mates and twice one of my fleeties got the AFK penalty. It blows like the North wind.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Haven't seen any proof people are being penalized at random. We have the ability to make videos of our game play yet we've never seen an AFKer post a video showing he wasn active the whole time but still got penalized. The guilty always pretend to be innocent. :rolleyes:

    Agreed!
    actually this is not entirely true, I remember someone posting a video of a borg space stf a few weeks ago.....of course the video showed he was wasting a lot of time and his build was awful so maybe that's a bad example :D

    Yes, very bad example!
    huntor2 wrote: »
    ...other people in this thread, just said they got one without reason too or know players that got also false positives.

    Well, I'm SOOO sorry that I don't record ALL of my queues just in case I got a false positive! :rolleyes: lol

    The day that I got a AFK penalty and I am really AFK, I will be humble enough to accept it and shut my mouth. But that's not what happened. Simple as that sir!

    Btw, english is not my first language so give me a chance about my grammar :P

    Do you believe everything on the internet?

    Poster's can say all they want but, it has yet to be proven it happens to the degree they complain about.

    I have never had one and, this is by pretty much duplicating their so called experience.

    No one I know has been given one either, unless they make a full effort to give themselves one.
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