Opened 54 boxes, and nothing. While it sucks, I know it's gambling and I lost. Will probably keep on until I get the ship. I opened over 100 for the Bulwark and never got it. Sometimes it feels rigged, but it's really just luck that some people seem to have. Someone got two ships in a span of about 10 seconds, just wow.
That's why PWE keeps them coming at a steady pace. If no one spends money on them, they they would have to find other methods to get us to open our wallets, like with ships we actually want. New factions, new playable races, new content, and new ships we actually want.
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Last time I checked each R&D box was going for 1 million each that's a long way from the 500m needed for this ship.
Prices dropped drastically because of this event now flooding the market.
Promo-R&D box, not normal/old non promo R&D box - there is a difference. Promo are ~8M, R&D were 2.5M last time i checked the exchange.
So just like repetitiveepic said - 60 boxes may give u 540m and get the sheshar if you so much want it. Otherwise if you open them and get nothing you lose a lot - in case you dont need R&D/ and 600loby.
People spending 100-200$ just to get a ship should reconsider their ways of how this ship may be taken without giving any money or by investing right - like repetitiveepic stated sell boxes or sell keys, make bulk EC and be happy "if you want it so much". Don't be greedy like "i want 2 , 1 for me and 1 for 500m retirement budget" ...be efficient.
Looks like a cool ship*, but I am not really in the habit of hunting RNG lockbox type ships. Way too expensive.
*) Though it looks very greenish.. STO (maybe Star Trek itself actually) really has a preference for ships with lots of green. Romulans, Borg, Klingons, Breen...
LOL, if they had a preference for green ships, they'd make more KDF and ROM faction specific T6 ships, no?
Took me 17 boxes to get one but I've always been pretty lucky, took 15 original boxes for the Jem'attack ship and about 7-8 for the Hirogen, had 3 Galors, 2 Temporal science ships. The only ships I've not had is the Undine and the Benethan ships. Although I have spent more than I shpuld on keys :P
You can sell the boxes on the exchange and use the ec to get a dread.
60 boxes at like 9m each =540m ec. Way, way, way more than enough to just get one on the exchange.
you just stated the round about price given you actualy get one now whats to say its not going to be posted for 500m ec as these big pay out posting are rediculise as nothings worth what thare being posted for my idea is when the matenence ends all exchange items are auto returned because this adding more 0s all the time is getting TRIBBLE and its the reason thay nerf loot and everything grind because to menny people expect big payouts on things that are not worth that and a good reset on the exchange with matenence may be worth trying to stop this TRIBBLE adding more 0s all the time
And not sure on the odds in comparison to lock box ships, but this method of ATTEMPTING to obtain a ship is certainly more expensive, with the crafting pack costing 1000zen for four boxes.
Yah by what I read through all the post not good odds. While suppose to be better, but alot of folks are oppening many boxes and not getting it. Not worth the money myself. Though might still get one of the box sets just for my econ main char for crafting reasons.
Been seeing alot of emits of people getting it like one after another. I wouldn't be surprised if there just doing that to make it look like folks are getting it. I did buy one pack for my econ toon and didn't get anything other than the lobi and R&D stuff. Just happened to have the extra zen from my lifetime.
why does the sheshar has the very same console layout as the narcine, while one is labelled as dreadnought cruiser, the narcine as dreadnought carrier?!
i'm pretty sure it got mentinoed dev-wise, that ALL cruisers(!) would get a 5th eng-console on t5-u/fleet t6 level.
and if the 3rd sci-con would be moved to eng it would get the same layout as the jem-dread. +why DOES the jem-dread got a 5th eng-con at all?!.... some design-/explanation-flaws imo...
but it's ok, they already removed any reason to go on a kumari in comparison with a charal in that sense, so... just fits a pattern i guess lulz...
why does the sheshar has the very same console layout as the narcine, while one is labelled as dreadnought cruiser, the narcine as dreadnought carrier?!
i'm pretty sure it got mentinoed dev-wise, that ALL cruisers(!) would get a 5th eng-console on t5-u/fleet t6 level.
and if the 3rd sci-con would be moved to eng it would get the same layout as the jem-dread. +why DOES the jem-dread got a 5th eng-con at all?!.... some design-/explanation-flaws imo...
but it's ok, they already removed any reason to go on a kumari in comparison with a charal in that sense, so... just fits a pattern i guess lulz...
The console thing was that a ship couldn't have more consoles of a type different than the expected type for the ship. So the Sheshar's 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci doesn't violate that, 5 - 4 - 2 would for example.
The 5th Eng on the JHDC would appear to violate their "rule" there, though. It should have gone 5 - 4 - 2 or 4 - 4 - 3 rather than 4 - 5 - 2.
The console thing was that a ship couldn't have more consoles of a type different than the expected type for the ship. So the Sheshar's 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci doesn't violate that, 5 - 4 - 2 would for example.
The 5th Eng on the JHDC would appear to violate their "rule" there, though. It should have gone 5 - 4 - 2 or 4 - 4 - 3 rather than 4 - 5 - 2.
thx virus. hmmm, let's have a look:
gal-x dread cruiser fleet t5-u: 5-2-4 (1 hangar)
voth-bulwark dread cruiser t5-u: 5-3-3 (1 hangar)
elachi sheshar dread cruiser: 4-3-4 (1 hangar)
jem-dread carrier t5-u: 5-2-4 (2 hangars)
narcine dread carrier t5-u: 4-3-4 (2 hangars)
and just or fun a monbosh battleship with 5-2-4...
no pattern in there, xcept for the hangars lulz :rolleyes:...
and just or fun a monbosh battleship with 5-2-4...
no pattern in there, xcept for the hangars lulz :rolleyes:...
Dreadnought Cruisers
Gal-X could have gone 4 Tac - 5 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. It went 4 - 5 - 2.
Bulwark could have gone 3 Tac - 5 Eng - 3 Sci or 2 Tac - 5 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 3 - 5 - 3.
Sheshar is 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci.
All three of them are "Eng heavy" boats, and each of them has 4-5 Eng consoles and no more Tac/Sci consoles than it has Eng consoles. They all follow the "rule" laid out by gorngonzolla. That they have differences is no different than anywhere else with differences. Advanced Escort vs. Patrol Escort? Assault Cruiser vs. Star Cruiser? That's just the way it is, allowing them to provide a variety of ships rather than just a variety of costumes for the same ship.
Dreadnought Carriers
Jem
Narcine
Both the Jem and Narcine Dreadnought Carriers have a Cmdr Tac, thus based on the way the rules were laid out - they should not have more Eng/Sci than Tac consoles.
The Narcine follows this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 3 Eng - 3 Sci, 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci, or 4 Tac - 3 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 4 - 4 - 3.
The Jem on the other hand doesn't follow this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 4 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. Instead it went 4 - 5 - 2.
Here's the post from gorn laying out the "rules"...
1) No bonus slot can put the number of slots above 5
2) When the bonus console for the fleet version is applied, #1 must still be true
3) On a starship with a Tactical Commander seat, no console type can have more slots than Tactical
4) On a starship with a Engineering Commander seat, no console type can have more slots than Engineering
5) On a starship with a Science Commander seat, no console type can have more slots than Science
If all those criteria are met, then I can pretty much put the console where it makes sense to me thematically. Generally, but not always I put the slot in the group that matched the ship's commander.
Regards,
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
...and here's where he said that there wouldn't be a 5th Tac Console on the Jem Dread...
Not gone through the full thread, but doesn't the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier getting a 5th Engineering slot violate rule 3?
I keep seeing this brought up. You're right, it does. I should expand upon that rule a little. I am not going to put a 5th tactical console slot on that offensive monster. 5th console slots are reserved for Escort variants and Tactical Warbird variants. I would consider giving it a science slot instead of an engineering slot.
...and imho, he should have given it the 3rd Sci instead of the 5th Eng to avoid breaking the "rules"/"guidelines".
Hard not to feel like they didn't TRIBBLE the Jem Dread folks over in hopes of improved Narcine sales...with it being the more recent ship.
Gal-X could have gone 4 Tac - 5 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. It went 4 - 5 - 2.
Bulwark could have gone 3 Tac - 5 Eng - 3 Sci or 2 Tac - 5 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 3 - 5 - 3.
Sheshar is 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci.
All three of them are "Eng heavy" boats, and each of them has 4-5 Eng consoles and no more Tac/Sci consoles than it has Eng consoles. They all follow the "rule" laid out by gorngonzolla. That they have differences is no different than anywhere else with differences. Advanced Escort vs. Patrol Escort? Assault Cruiser vs. Star Cruiser? That's just the way it is, allowing them to provide a variety of ships rather than just a variety of costumes for the same ship.
Dreadnought Carriers
Jem
Narcine
Both the Jem and Narcine Dreadnought Carriers have a Cmdr Tac, thus based on the way the rules were laid out - they should not have more Eng/Sci than Tac consoles.
The Narcine follows this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 3 Eng - 3 Sci, 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci, or 4 Tac - 3 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 4 - 4 - 3.
The Jem on the other hand doesn't follow this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 4 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. Instead it went 4 - 5 - 2.
Here's the post from gorn laying out the "rules"...
...and here's where he said that there wouldn't be a 5th Tac Console on the Jem Dread...
...and imho, he should have given it the 3rd Sci instead of the 5th Eng to avoid breaking the "rules"/"guidelines".
Hard not to feel like they didn't TRIBBLE the Jem Dread folks over in hopes of improved Narcine sales...with it being the more recent ship.
thx for clarifying that ! really a bit odd with the jem-dread. a whole lotta ships seem just to got slapped on a 5th con into where they got a cmdr (did they?), at least i got that impression after a quick overview. but actually i'm not that certain on that and may will check next days.
lil sidenote: i prefer to describe cons in the order they appear on my ships-tab, not in the way they're described elsewhere... nther flaw imo :rolleyes:
Here's my question, if I buy the promotional boxes now and then wait until after the event is over to put them on the exchange, will they still be marked for the chance to win the grand prize ship or will they revert to being normal R&D boxes? Since we don't know if this promo will be available again I assume that both these boxes and the ship itself will only increase in price by next year onward.
Had 5000 zen and got 20 R+D promo boxes. Got the dreadnought on the 6th one but just Lobi and materials after that.
DID have about 20 people offering me 40-350 million EC for it though soon after..:)
May try again for another, but depends on how much overtime money i get at work. Won't spend a huge amount more though....
this is clearly gambling with real money. I wonder how many gambling laws are being violated here. sound like its time to pull the plug on this. I am tired of wasting money.
this is clearly gambling with real money. I wonder how many gambling laws are being violated here. sound like its time to pull the plug on this. I am tired of wasting money.
I am sure there is a news channel or 2 that would love to expose a possible class action.
this is clearly gambling with real money. I wonder how many gambling laws are being violated here. sound like its time to pull the plug on this. I am tired of wasting money.
Actually, there are no gambling laws being broken. Contrary to what the armchair QQ crowd may want to say, legally this is not gambling. The R&D pack is a regular item, that has a regular price. For a limited time you may get a bonus, however you are still guarenteed the regular reward. Ergo by law its not gambling.
It may be risky yes, its not certain sure. But under the definition of gambling (at least as per US law, which is the one that matters here) its not gambling.
You however are welcome to stop paying money at anytime.
Actually, there are no gambling laws being broken.
Yep. Most Asian countries have very strict gambling laws. These formulas that the Chinese and Koreans use in all their F2P games specifically take these into account.
Did you expect to pull one from just a dozen boxes? The drop rate is something like .1%. You'd have to be EXTREMELY lucky to get one from 12 boxes.
.....I only bought one 4 pack R & D and got the ship on the third box.....So I guess I'm on the EXTREMELY lucky list....Fun Fact: I've opened over 800 lockboxes and never got any of the ships, so my luck is that bad.
Lucky both you. I did 4 packs total with what zen I had collected up. I know I'll prob end up dropping enough to do another 4 or so packs before the end of the deal. It seems there dropping with all the freaking emits for them. Just not for those that actually want them with some decent luck
Now I'm just waiting for some one to post they got 2 on there first box.
I bought on the 11/12/2014 2 x 5300 zen, Which I bought 42 R'n'D Boxes in total and I didn't get ONCE a "ELACHI DREADNOUGHT CRUISER" out of 42 boxes.
I wasn't interested in the Crafting materials from the R'n'D Boxes only to get a "Elachi Dreadnought Cruiser".
Considering it only cost 2500 zen to get a ship or a Bundle i.e 5000 zen for a Multi - mission Vesta Bundle or 10,000 zen Dyson Science Destroyer Bundle from C-Store.
I feel I was ripped off or this may just been a glitch in the promotion event.
I am Disgusted how this event happened, even my friends can't believe how many R'n'D boxes I got.
I do play many of your other games too, I Have subscription on Star trek online.
I love STO very much it's a great game and I very rarely complain about game issues.
I have been with PWE since 27/08/2009.
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Last time I checked each R&D box was going for 1 million each that's a long way from the 500m needed for this ship.
Prices dropped drastically because of this event now flooding the market.
That's why PWE keeps them coming at a steady pace. If no one spends money on them, they they would have to find other methods to get us to open our wallets, like with ships we actually want. New factions, new playable races, new content, and new ships we actually want.
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Promo-R&D box, not normal/old non promo R&D box - there is a difference. Promo are ~8M, R&D were 2.5M last time i checked the exchange.
So just like repetitiveepic said - 60 boxes may give u 540m and get the sheshar if you so much want it. Otherwise if you open them and get nothing you lose a lot - in case you dont need R&D/ and 600loby.
People spending 100-200$ just to get a ship should reconsider their ways of how this ship may be taken without giving any money or by investing right - like repetitiveepic stated sell boxes or sell keys, make bulk EC and be happy "if you want it so much". Don't be greedy like "i want 2 , 1 for me and 1 for 500m retirement budget" ...be efficient.
LOL, if they had a preference for green ships, they'd make more KDF and ROM faction specific T6 ships, no?
Like with the bulwark, prices will drop when nearing Xmas and NYE, be patient... Got the bulwark for 225mil last year
you just stated the round about price given you actualy get one now whats to say its not going to be posted for 500m ec as these big pay out posting are rediculise as nothings worth what thare being posted for my idea is when the matenence ends all exchange items are auto returned because this adding more 0s all the time is getting TRIBBLE and its the reason thay nerf loot and everything grind because to menny people expect big payouts on things that are not worth that and a good reset on the exchange with matenence may be worth trying to stop this TRIBBLE adding more 0s all the time
They pick the best of three worlds:
- Green
- Faction-Agnostic
- Costly
Yah by what I read through all the post not good odds. While suppose to be better, but alot of folks are oppening many boxes and not getting it. Not worth the money myself. Though might still get one of the box sets just for my econ main char for crafting reasons.
why does the sheshar has the very same console layout as the narcine, while one is labelled as dreadnought cruiser, the narcine as dreadnought carrier?!
i'm pretty sure it got mentinoed dev-wise, that ALL cruisers(!) would get a 5th eng-console on t5-u/fleet t6 level.
and if the 3rd sci-con would be moved to eng it would get the same layout as the jem-dread. +why DOES the jem-dread got a 5th eng-con at all?!.... some design-/explanation-flaws imo...
but it's ok, they already removed any reason to go on a kumari in comparison with a charal in that sense, so... just fits a pattern i guess lulz...
The console thing was that a ship couldn't have more consoles of a type different than the expected type for the ship. So the Sheshar's 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci doesn't violate that, 5 - 4 - 2 would for example.
The 5th Eng on the JHDC would appear to violate their "rule" there, though. It should have gone 5 - 4 - 2 or 4 - 4 - 3 rather than 4 - 5 - 2.
thx virus. hmmm, let's have a look:
gal-x dread cruiser fleet t5-u: 5-2-4 (1 hangar)
voth-bulwark dread cruiser t5-u: 5-3-3 (1 hangar)
elachi sheshar dread cruiser: 4-3-4 (1 hangar)
jem-dread carrier t5-u: 5-2-4 (2 hangars)
narcine dread carrier t5-u: 4-3-4 (2 hangars)
and just or fun a monbosh battleship with 5-2-4...
no pattern in there, xcept for the hangars lulz :rolleyes:...
Dreadnought Cruisers
Gal-X could have gone 4 Tac - 5 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. It went 4 - 5 - 2.
Bulwark could have gone 3 Tac - 5 Eng - 3 Sci or 2 Tac - 5 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 3 - 5 - 3.
Sheshar is 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci.
All three of them are "Eng heavy" boats, and each of them has 4-5 Eng consoles and no more Tac/Sci consoles than it has Eng consoles. They all follow the "rule" laid out by gorngonzolla. That they have differences is no different than anywhere else with differences. Advanced Escort vs. Patrol Escort? Assault Cruiser vs. Star Cruiser? That's just the way it is, allowing them to provide a variety of ships rather than just a variety of costumes for the same ship.
Dreadnought Carriers
Jem
Narcine
Both the Jem and Narcine Dreadnought Carriers have a Cmdr Tac, thus based on the way the rules were laid out - they should not have more Eng/Sci than Tac consoles.
The Narcine follows this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 3 Eng - 3 Sci, 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci, or 4 Tac - 3 Eng - 4 Sci. It went 4 - 4 - 3.
The Jem on the other hand doesn't follow this "rule". It could have gone 5 Tac - 4 Eng - 2 Sci or 4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci. Instead it went 4 - 5 - 2.
Here's the post from gorn laying out the "rules"...
...and here's where he said that there wouldn't be a 5th Tac Console on the Jem Dread...
...and imho, he should have given it the 3rd Sci instead of the 5th Eng to avoid breaking the "rules"/"guidelines".
Hard not to feel like they didn't TRIBBLE the Jem Dread folks over in hopes of improved Narcine sales...with it being the more recent ship.
thx for clarifying that
lil sidenote: i prefer to describe cons in the order they appear on my ships-tab, not in the way they're described elsewhere... nther flaw imo
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Did you expect to pull one from just a dozen boxes? The drop rate is something like .1%. You'd have to be EXTREMELY lucky to get one from 12 boxes.
LOL I spent alot of REAL money trying to get my Jem'hadar back in the day. Spent over 1000 and only got one.
I dont spent as much any more because the most ships in time mach them in the C-Store.
This time took me 28 boxes.
DID have about 20 people offering me 40-350 million EC for it though soon after..:)
May try again for another, but depends on how much overtime money i get at work. Won't spend a huge amount more though....
I am sure there is a news channel or 2 that would love to expose a possible class action.
Actually, there are no gambling laws being broken. Contrary to what the armchair QQ crowd may want to say, legally this is not gambling. The R&D pack is a regular item, that has a regular price. For a limited time you may get a bonus, however you are still guarenteed the regular reward. Ergo by law its not gambling.
It may be risky yes, its not certain sure. But under the definition of gambling (at least as per US law, which is the one that matters here) its not gambling.
You however are welcome to stop paying money at anytime.
Yep. Most Asian countries have very strict gambling laws. These formulas that the Chinese and Koreans use in all their F2P games specifically take these into account.
I am in full agreement with this post.
.....I only bought one 4 pack R & D and got the ship on the third box.....So I guess I'm on the EXTREMELY lucky list....Fun Fact: I've opened over 800 lockboxes and never got any of the ships, so my luck is that bad.
PS. GOOD LUCK TO ALL
Now I'm just waiting for some one to post they got 2 on there first box.
ol
I wasn't interested in the Crafting materials from the R'n'D Boxes only to get a "Elachi Dreadnought Cruiser".
Considering it only cost 2500 zen to get a ship or a Bundle i.e 5000 zen for a Multi - mission Vesta Bundle or 10,000 zen Dyson Science Destroyer Bundle from C-Store.
I feel I was ripped off or this may just been a glitch in the promotion event.
I am Disgusted how this event happened, even my friends can't believe how many R'n'D boxes I got.
I do play many of your other games too, I Have subscription on Star trek online.
I love STO very much it's a great game and I very rarely complain about game issues.
I have been with PWE since 27/08/2009.
I hope this can be resolved