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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    So what now? Dyson battlezone is being nerfed?

    There goes my sole source of dilithium which allows me to catch up to where I was, all thanks to DR.
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  • mm06360mm06360 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    So what now? Dyson battlezone is being nerfed?

    There goes my sole source of dilithium which allows me to catch up to where I was, all thanks to DR.

    Its not nerfed, per se. But the way they set it up has you not gaining credit for capturing a point because they weight interacting with a colsole heavily. So you end up not getting any credit and thus affects the payout.
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mm06360 wrote: »
    Its not nerfed, per se. But the way they set it up has you not gaining credit for capturing a point because they weight interacting with a colsole heavily. So you end up not getting any credit and thus affects the payout.

    So I'm now required to:

    Artillery: hit at least 1 console
    Cap: no change
    Omega: hit at least 1 console
    Dino: ??

    Is this right?
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  • mm06360mm06360 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    So I'm now required to:

    Artillery: hit at least 1 console
    Cap: no change
    Omega: hit at least 1 console
    Dino: ??

    Is this right?

    Yeah, thats about it. I have no clue what to do at the relay point, because for some reason, I keep getting 5 dil, despite starting it. Omega and Artillery are easy to get credit at.

    V-rex is still damage based. But I don't know how much damage.
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mm06360 wrote: »
    Yeah, thats about it. I have no clue what to do at the relay point, because for some reason, I keep getting 5 dil, despite starting it. Omega and Artillery are easy to get credit at.

    V-rex is still damage based. But I don't know hoe much damage.

    Prior to this, getting credited for one Dino area was as simple as firing one shot at the Dino then leaving. It would be a shame if there was a damage cutoff, where players who aren't fully geared won't be able to rack up enough damage to reach the cutoff.
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  • ummaxummax Member Posts: 529 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    So I'm now required to:

    Artillery: hit at least 1 console
    Cap: no change
    Omega: hit at least 1 console
    Dino: ??

    Is this right?

    I suspect this console thing will change. In any event I tried it just doing part one of the 3 parts to activating a console and it worked

    Dino's shoot things, heal boffs or other people and be there for more then 2 seconds it will give you the full reward for it. What you can't do is shoot the thing once run to the next one, shoot it once and run to the last one and shoot it once and expect to get full rewards.
  • katelrickatelric Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I know there have been several reports of what people are experiencing but here is what I have experienced tonight:

    I was on a team with two of my fleet mates as we worked around the city to capture points. Two of us arrived at the generator point slightly before our third member since he was still picking up the command credits. He joined us not even a minute after it started. When the point was complete I and the other team mate who was there from the beginning received the full reward. The third guy in, not even a minute later, received 5 dil.

    Then we happened upon someone who was soloing a point and we decided to stay and assist them. The point was 1/3 when we arrived and we helped it to complete. When it was finished all three of us received only 5 dil and no credit (I am certain of this because my "capture two points with teammates" mission did not complete.)

    We went on and set up for the V-Rex since they were about to spawn. They did and we stayed and took out the V-Rex in the city. When it died we managed to make it to a second one. We received 720 dil and 25 marks per V-Rex (we were there when it died) and a bonus 2,520 dil, 5 implants, and 60 marks when all three were done. (Note that we had taken at least 5 points in the city)

    When those were done we jumped to another instance. We were lucky enough to find one where the V-Rex were about to spawn. We again fought them and managed to take down two. We received the EXACT same rewards as when we captured points (720 dil and 25 marks per V-Rex (we were there when it died) and a bonus 2,520 dil, 5 implants, and 60 marks when all three were done.)

    At one point we arrived at a V-Rex when it was half done. We finished killing it, took down medics ect and received 5 whole dil for it.

    Either the amount of points you capture does not currently count for anything in terms of how much dil you get with in V-Rexs are killed or you must get all three to see the difference (which is near impossible).

    There were also times where we ran into a point someone had abandoned and received nothing for it. I found my team intentionally avoiding players and having to wait until the entire team was running in, in order to begin the point so everyone can get the rewards. We also had times when the whole team was in a point and helping and only half of them received the credit for the point.

    This change has, so far, discouraged me from randomly joining and helping people finish points and then carry on my way (without stealing their command credits) and discouraged me from working with anyone that isn't in my fleet and on the voice chat with me so we can have easy coordination and cooperation.

    I also am of the belief that this has more than ever encouraged 'camping' at the V-Rex points since it does not currently appear that capping other points has any effect on the final reward.
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Actually it is nerfed, per se. There was a delicate symbiotic balance between cappers and leechers before. Now it is gone. It turns out the leechers were better cappers than the petulant whiners gave them credit for. Now the zones creep to completion, and the dinos are not getting defeated nearly so reliably. Start watching for the whiner to stop getting their end rewards and then watch the flood gates open...

    Oh, and fewer players because of the winter event does not mean fewer players per zone. That remains about the same. Just fewer zones now.
  • katelrickatelric Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    So I'm now required to:

    Artillery: hit at least 1 console
    Cap: no change
    Omega: hit at least 1 console
    Dino: ??

    Is this right?

    Not true for me. I never hit a console in the Artillery or the Omega point and I got full rewards for being there when my team mates began the points, and assisting in killing things/healing with my medical generator.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    raeat wrote: »
    Actually it is nerfed, per se. There was a delicate symbiotic balance between cappers and leechers before. Now it is gone. It turns out the leechers were better cappers than the petulant whiners gave them credit for. Now the zones creep to completion, and the dinos are not getting defeated nearly so reliably. Start watching for the whiner to stop getting their end rewards and then watch the flood gates open....

    Um...I haven't seen ANYTHING of the sort in my runs. Generally people seem to be MORE on top of the objectives, particularly the end bosses where now I'm not the only one who contributes towards the actual objective during the early-mid stages.
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  • viper1422viper1422 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Okay...so I'm extremely frustrated from my run on Dyson Ground. I know the "points" system has been changed, but here's how it affected me and my teammates.

    At each Omega Point, only one person would receive credit for the point even though we had a full team of 5 present and participating at the start and all the way through the capturing of the point. At one of the points I started it, and only received 5 dil for my troubles.

    At Capture Points, even if someone had stepped in just after it began, they received only 5 dil for completing the point with the team.

    I understand the whole tag-and-run for the V-Rex portion is now not do-able, but it's nearly impossible to get to all 3 V-Rexes and get the full reward. I actually made it to a 3rd while running with my team tonight and fired a couple of volleys before it died and still only received 5 dil and no credit.

    I'm by no means trying to leech. I'm by no means trying to circumvent the system. I just want to capture points and earn what's due to me. I want to be able to help others earn their due.

    As it stands right now, all incentive to cooperate and help others is completely gone. Please revisit this "adjustment" or put it back the way it was until a fix can be created after the holidays.

    Thank you!

    -A Concerned, dedicated Lifer
  • mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    katelric wrote: »
    When those were done we jumped to another instance. We were lucky enough to find one where the V-Rex were about to spawn. We again fought them and managed to take down two. We received the EXACT same rewards as when we captured points (720 dil and 25 marks per V-Rex (we were there when it died) and a bonus 2,520 dil, 5 implants, and 60 marks when all three were done.)

    That's not new. You always had to get credit for capturing at least 5 points to get the full reward. Capturing 0-4 points has no effect on the end reward.

    That's what makes the failure to get credit for fighting at points such a pain. If you're short of five, it's the same reward as if you'd afk'd waiting for the V-Rexes. Depending on how the zone plays out, you may not get second chances to run up your tally if the game cheats you out of the credit for a capture point or two.
  • katelrickatelric Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    That's not new. You always had to get credit for capturing at least 5 points to get the full reward. Capturing 0-4 points has no effect on the end reward.

    That's what makes the failure to get credit for fighting at points such a pain. If you're short of five, it's the same reward as if you'd afk'd waiting for the V-Rexes. Depending on how the zone plays out, you may not get second chances to run up your tally if the game cheats you out of the credit for a capture point or two.

    We had a team that captured at least 5 points and we saw no difference in our rewards.

    I completely agree though. In one run we should have had over 5 points but we kept missing out on credit.
  • mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    viper1422 wrote: »
    At each Omega Point, only one person would receive credit for the point even though we had a full team of 5 present and participating at the start and all the way through the capturing of the point. At one of the points I started it, and only received 5 dil for my troubles.

    That's crazy that it doesn't credit the whole team when they're all physically present. I mean, what, does it think the rest of you hiked out to west nowhere to stand around watching one guy shoot?

    To a degree I had to laugh about it when I was testing things after the patch, considering I've inflicted more of my share of bugs on production environments in my software career so far. "It's live, and [the customers] are screaming," my boss once told me. Good times.
  • rainlelerainlele Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Here are some of the things I have run into recently at Dyson Ground Battlezone.

    When playing by myself I came to a Capture Point that no one was present at. It was under a third finished. I complete it by myself and no one came to help me finish it. I only got 5 Dil. and no credit for capturing the point in the Mission: Secure Voth Points. I was in the proper zone for single player credit.

    When playing with a full team we were all able to get full credit at the Artillery points even if some of us just fought things and did not activate a console.
    The Omega Generators seemed to be random with one person getting credit even when everyone was there from the start of it. It may have been because their duty officers shot first. (Slightly Random Side: What are the duty officers shooting at at Omega Generators?)
    For Capture Points it seems you have to start exactly together or everyone will not get credit for the point.

    Now when I am running by myself I avoid all places that have hints of anyone having been there. I see no point in spending my time capturing a point to get almost no credit for it. I feel bad when someone comes to join me in completing a point because I know they won't get credit for it. I can be a lone gamer, but I enjoy team gaming a lot. The recent changes to Dyson Ground make it not as fun when everyone does not get rewarded fairly.
  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It's like anyone sees the word "reduction" or "adjustment" and no matter freakin what they flip out at a nerfing. You don't even know what it is exactly that's being adjusted, but you saw a bad word and don't like it? lol
    Come on guys, take it easy with the knee jerk reactions.

    The problem is, I am REALLY stretching my brain to think of a time these words were used here to the players' benefit.


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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It seems to me that this update has (slightly) nerfed the battlezone. I still get tremendous rewards from playing it. I can get a week's worth of dilithium for one toon in 2 hours. However the REAL problem with the battlezone right now is the damn winter event. All of STO is playing the event and the battlezone has run dry of players.
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  • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    when players get only 5dil for capturing zones... what motivations do they have to actually playing the battlezone and capturing the zones now?

    they could jump zones and simply kill the vrex to get a reward (eventhough its smaller than before).


    the done changes have not improved anything... not for cappers not for leechers
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    swatop wrote: »
    when players get only 5dil for capturing zones... what motivations do they have to actually playing the battlezone and capturing the zones now?

    they could jump zones and simply kill the vrex to get a reward (eventhough its smaller than before).


    the done changes have not improved anything... not for cappers not for leechers

    I get 90 dil for capturing a zone. I get 5 dil for tagging and running.
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  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Yeah, yeah. I know. You can spend 45 seconds in the battlezone and walk away with 3 months worth of dil and only firing your weapon 3 times - on a bad day - because you are just that l33t.

    No one believes you, nor should they.

    In the real world, I would seriously hate to be a *new* player facing this outright malice from the devs and their mindless bean-counter masters. They really have gone off the deep end. When is their contract with CBS up? Might be safe to return after the game changes hands...
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    raeat wrote: »
    Yeah, yeah. I know. You can spend 45 seconds in the battlezone and walk away with 3 months worth of dil and only firing your weapon 3 times - on a bad day - because you are just that l33t.

    No one believes you, nor should they.

    In the real world, I would seriously hate to be a *new* player facing this outright malice from the devs and their mindless bean-counter masters. They really have gone off the deep end. When is their contract with CBS up? Might be safe to return after the game changes hands...
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  • mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    raeat wrote: »
    In the real world, I would seriously hate to be a *new* player facing <etc etc>

    *sigh*

    The busted participation metric at capture points is obviously a bug. It's not helpful to confuse deliberate design choices with actual errors, and doing so makes it more likely that those errors will not be addressed.
  • obainobain Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2014
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    viper1422 wrote: »
    Okay...so I'm extremely frustrated from my run on Dyson Ground. I know the "points" system has been changed, but here's how it affected me and my teammates.

    At each Omega Point, only one person would receive credit for the point even though we had a full team of 5 present and participating at the start and all the way through the capturing of the point. At one of the points I started it, and only received 5 dil for my troubles.

    At Capture Points, even if someone had stepped in just after it began, they received only 5 dil for completing the point with the team.

    I understand the whole tag-and-run for the V-Rex portion is now not do-able, but it's nearly impossible to get to all 3 V-Rexes and get the full reward. I actually made it to a 3rd while running with my team tonight and fired a couple of volleys before it died and still only received 5 dil and no credit.

    I'm by no means trying to leech. I'm by no means trying to circumvent the system. I just want to capture points and earn what's due to me. I want to be able to help others earn their due.

    As it stands right now, all incentive to cooperate and help others is completely gone. Please revisit this "adjustment" or put it back the way it was until a fix can be created after the holidays.

    Thank you!

    -A Concerned, dedicated Lifer

    Another patch...another NERF...whats next...Defera? Instead of nerfing game to death why dont the FIX defera that has been broken since day 1. One can really see when the game is unbalanced and instead of fixing what's BROKEN....they just add more insult to injury to the game.
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  • commanderandercommanderander Member Posts: 78 Cryptic Developer
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    I will investigate issues with people not getting rewards for properly participating in a point.

    If you are experiencing this issue, the following would be helpful:

    - Which point were you on? (Cap, Gen, Artillery, and which section)
    - What exactly were you doing?
    - How long were you there?
    - Screenshot of your score
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  • obainobain Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    I will investigate issues with people not getting rewards for properly participating in a point.

    If you are experiencing this issue, the following would be helpful:

    - Which point were you on? (Cap, Gen, Artillery, and which section)
    - What exactly were you doing?
    - How long were you there?
    - Screenshot of your score

    I can tell it you from Yesterday.

    I have to do my Dalys in the Park, i save one Cap and i help to save one Gen that have be done for 2/3.
    My reward is only for that one Cap, that one Gen dos not give me the secend Point of the Voot.

    After that i am going to attak all 3 Big Rex, the first 2 Rex i hit down the Shilds fom 100% to 75 - 60%, the 3 Rex will be killd.

    Then the 2 first Rex will bi Killd without me becous ter to much Peopel on the Maps.

    My Reward is - 1800 Dill for all 3 Silos, 720 dill for the 3 Rex, 10 Dill for the 1 and 2 Rex, 1440 Dill for killing 40 Voot in time. NO REWARD for Saving 2 VootPoints, becouse 1 Vootpoint has not be counted.

    My totaly Reward are 3970 Dill - bevor the Patsh my Reward will be 5500 - 8000 Dill - so after that Patsh i Loos 50% of my Dill Reward.

    If i now will have the same Reward i musst Play the Zone 3 - 4 Timies with every Char - or if it better to understand now i musst Play the Zone 5 - 10 hours to have the same Reward.

    So Sorry but it is a Game - and in a Game i will have Fun and not a 2 Work.

    And one Thing more wy we cant buy the Live Time abbo not in the Shop or with Paysavecards - in Germany not everyone have a Kreditcard like Visa or Mastercard ord Diners - if we have it in the Shop much more Pepol will buy it!

    So Please - come back to your costumers - help us to spend Mony in your Game - at the Moment your on the wrong way!
  • lonestar1017lonestar1017 Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I just ran in to assist someone at the outskirts, Generator point nearest to the transporter. About halfway complete. I activated the last of the consoles. Remained for the completion of that area. Took out as many enemies as my boffs and I could target. At the end, 5 dilith, no marks and no credit towards secure voth points. The first area I took the communications location closest to transporter I did 100% solo, got full credit.

    I have started areas where others have joined to assist, and have earned 5 dilith no marks no credit towards completion.

    On one Generator point I started, activated all consoles and the speed boost, work through to the end. Because someone assisted, I received 5 dilith no marks no completion credit.
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Yep nerf something else that doesn't work err I mean working as intended.
  • darkhorse281darkhorse281 Member Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    I will investigate issues with people not getting rewards for properly participating in a point.

    If you are experiencing this issue, the following would be helpful:

    - Which point were you on? (Cap, Gen, Artillery, and which section)
    - What exactly were you doing?
    - How long were you there?
    - Screenshot of your score

    I'll believe it when I see it, the track record for your team lately is less than bad.

    Arrive at capture point within 30 seconds of somebody in front of you and you get 5dil no marks, penalized for staying and killing 1st dino by giving 5 dil even though 2nd dino is at half health. In team setting it's a TRIBBLE shoot as to who gets rewards and who doesn't hell I activated the console to restart the device moving killed stuff from beginning to end and still get 5 dil no marks. I saw 2 dino's fail last night I have NEVER seen that. You have the explanations you just don't want to hear it. Fix Dyson or I and many more will walk away from this game.

    YOU ARE NOT OUR EMPLOYERS, WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS, asking us to do more for less is a very employer thing to do. I'll say it again its bad for ther game when the forum is more interesting.
  • ummaxummax Member Posts: 529 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    I will investigate issues with people not getting rewards for properly participating in a point.

    If you are experiencing this issue, the following would be helpful:

    - Which point were you on? (Cap, Gen, Artillery, and which section)
    - What exactly were you doing?
    - How long were you there?
    - Screenshot of your score

    I will go cause the errors I know of and post screenshots. Its the points where you have to trigger something with an interaction like the generators. (the rest seemed fine to me)

    Anyhow since I was going to run through dyson with one guy this evening I can post results in this thread I guess.
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