Thompson submachine gun or the Tommy Gun, a little primitive don't you think?
The Thompson Submachine Gun was first produced in 1917. The first sucessful production Pump Action Shotgun was the Winchseter Model 1897, first produced in... 1897.
I'm guessing if the age of the design had any bearing on if a gun ends up ingame, the Tommy Gun won't be a problem.
Maybe next Picard day...
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OK let's put this back in context, this wasn't a real gun.
Let's talk about what the physical properties of holodeck matter are, since this was a Holodeck gun firing holodeck projectiles that only did damage because the deck's safety protocols were turned off, not a real Tommy firing 45 caliber bullets. Wouldn't that classify this as an energy weapon?
We could hope for them to provide an accurately behaving Tommy, but what if they go for some kind of holographic gizmo?
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OK let's put this back in context, this wasn't a real gun.
Let's talk about what the physical properties of holodeck matter are, since this was a Holodeck gun firing holodeck projectiles that only did damage because the deck's safety protocols were turned off, not a real Tommy firing 45 caliber bullets. Wouldn't that classify this as an energy weapon?
We could hope for them to provide an accurately behaving Tommy, but what if they go for some kind of holographic gizmo?
The holodecks use holographic and replicator tech. Was Picard's gun projected or replicated? I would guess anything users had to hold onto would have been physically replicated...
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
The holodecks use holographic and replicator tech. Was Picard's gun projected or replicated? I would guess anything users had to hold onto would have been physically replicated...
How holodecks actually work has been pretty vague, how they get a larger functional space in a smaller holdeck chamber, has always been pretty Doctor Who ish, whether holodeck matter consists only of 3 dimensional light images and any sense of physical contact is provided by localized forcefields or whether the people are life like mannequins animated by forcefields, but generally the common theme is that holodeck matter can only exist in the holodeck, replication when used is for things like food or costumes for users, everything else is a "holographic" prop, so I would be inclined to think the gun wasn't replicated if it could be affected by the holodeck safety protocols.
Picard went through all of that pretense just to get the gun, if it could simply be replicated he would have saved himself a lot of trouble by just requisitioning it from the start, and it would have been a useful weapon to retain. Although I do understand the whole speakeasy scenario did provide a distraction for the borg.
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OK let's put this back in context, this wasn't a real gun.
Let's talk about what the physical properties of holodeck matter are, since this was a Holodeck gun firing holodeck projectiles that only did damage because the deck's safety protocols were turned off, not a real Tommy firing 45 caliber bullets. Wouldn't that classify this as an energy weapon?
We could hope for them to provide an accurately behaving Tommy, but what if they go for some kind of holographic gizmo?
Maybe. It could also be that it's the Borg's usual adaptation problem. They enter Federation space the 2nd time now and they have already adapted to Phasers before, but smoehow they forgot and the first few shots still kill them.
So they may simply have not been expecting replicated bullets or holographic force fields shaped like bullets. If the Enterprise Crew had decided to make a last stand in the Holodeck with a bunch of Tommy Guns (or maybe something more modern, a bunch of G36, Steyr Augs or whatever), the first few drones would have dropped over and the rest would have assimilated the crew.
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OK let's put this back in context, this wasn't a real gun.
Let's talk about what the physical properties of holodeck matter are, since this was a Holodeck gun firing holodeck projectiles that only did damage because the deck's safety protocols were turned off, not a real Tommy firing 45 caliber bullets. Wouldn't that classify this as an energy weapon?
No, because in order to do the kind of damage shown it had to exert kinetic force on a target. Doesn't matter if that force was produced by replicated matter or a force field, it's still just kinetic energy, because that's how physics works: any time physical force is exerted, it's kinetic energy.
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Yeah, the Tommy Gun has had several appearances in Star Trek and TOS was the first to do it. I'm all for the inclusion of a Thompson SMG as well as the addition of Fedora Hats to the Formal Suit already ingame. The suit already has pinstripes.
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Thompson submachine gun or the Tommy Gun, a little primitive don't you think?
If it will spare me the annoyance of re-modulating after every shot I would buy one in a second!! This is why I took the time to grind out a Romulan flamethrower, but it could still be adapted to, somehow!
I'm in favor of it!
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the tommy gun is one of the the most canon 20th century star trek weapons, appearing in every series except DS9. the one gun that does appear in every series is the army .45 pistol
If it will spare me the annoyance of re-modulating after every shot I would buy one in a second!! This is why I took the time to grind out a Romulan flamethrower, but it could still be adapted to, somehow!
I'm in favor of it!
Unfortunately the gun is a kinetic weapon and the Borg can adapt to kinetic damage right? So far as I know the only damage Borg can't adapt to is physical or melee damage.
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approved, the Tommy gun would be great for some sort of reward ... like a crystalline entity event ... because Mirror takes so long to do it, i can't get it on all alts
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and the shotgun we got from mirror isn't?
low speed (relatively speaking) projectiles do well against energy based shields.
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well, the shotgun and the tr-116 bypasses the shields
The Thompson Submachine Gun was first produced in 1917. The first sucessful production Pump Action Shotgun was the Winchseter Model 1897, first produced in... 1897.
I'm guessing if the age of the design had any bearing on if a gun ends up ingame, the Tommy Gun won't be a problem.
Maybe next Picard day...
Let's talk about what the physical properties of holodeck matter are, since this was a Holodeck gun firing holodeck projectiles that only did damage because the deck's safety protocols were turned off, not a real Tommy firing 45 caliber bullets. Wouldn't that classify this as an energy weapon?
We could hope for them to provide an accurately behaving Tommy, but what if they go for some kind of holographic gizmo?
The holodecks use holographic and replicator tech. Was Picard's gun projected or replicated? I would guess anything users had to hold onto would have been physically replicated...
Picard went through all of that pretense just to get the gun, if it could simply be replicated he would have saved himself a lot of trouble by just requisitioning it from the start, and it would have been a useful weapon to retain. Although I do understand the whole speakeasy scenario did provide a distraction for the borg.
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NO.
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On THIS.
I'd call it "Spocko's Tommy Gun."
Maybe. It could also be that it's the Borg's usual adaptation problem. They enter Federation space the 2nd time now and they have already adapted to Phasers before, but smoehow they forgot and the first few shots still kill them.
So they may simply have not been expecting replicated bullets or holographic force fields shaped like bullets. If the Enterprise Crew had decided to make a last stand in the Holodeck with a bunch of Tommy Guns (or maybe something more modern, a bunch of G36, Steyr Augs or whatever), the first few drones would have dropped over and the rest would have assimilated the crew.
especially with the drum attachment full of rounds. :P
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Yeah, the Tommy Gun has had several appearances in Star Trek and TOS was the first to do it. I'm all for the inclusion of a Thompson SMG as well as the addition of Fedora Hats to the Formal Suit already ingame. The suit already has pinstripes.
Wow, way to not have a sense of humor.
If it will spare me the annoyance of re-modulating after every shot I would buy one in a second!! This is why I took the time to grind out a Romulan flamethrower, but it could still be adapted to, somehow!
I'm in favor of it!
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Unfortunately the gun is a kinetic weapon and the Borg can adapt to kinetic damage right? So far as I know the only damage Borg can't adapt to is physical or melee damage.
approved, the Tommy gun would be great for some sort of reward ... like a crystalline entity event ... because Mirror takes so long to do it, i can't get it on all alts