Sisko is half prophet, actually went through on his threat to poison a Maquis planet, built a ship whose only purpose is to kill Borg, and punched an omnipotent being in the face.
Speaking of Borg, it's funny how their invasion in First Contact takes place while Sisko is hauling Eddington through the badlands.
"We are the Borg. We are all powerful. We cannot be stopped - he is gone, right? - we cannot be stopped... by anyone who happens to be here."
Sisko is half prophet, actually went through on his threat to poison a Maquis planet, built a ship whose only purpose is to kill Borg, and punched an omnipotent being in the face.
He is pretty nasty... Also, don't forget that he was willing to drag a species into a war they werent involved with... Making sure thousands of them would be killed, to make sure his side won.
That's actually not a bad match up. Both are in charge of knackered stations which have had some serious fire-power upgrades, and both have large compliments of small craft. Both have Mystical powers, and command of a single super-duper hi-tech escort.
However its gotta be Sheridan for the win. I base this on three things:
1: Sisko has a signed baseball, Sheridan has a kick TRIBBLE motorcycle.
2: DS9 Orbits wormhole with ancient beings who refuse to help and are the equivalent of space hippies, which come from the wussy end of the galaxy filled with annoying races (Bajorans, Defari, hell even the Cardassians eventually submitted to the Beta Urase field and became wimps). B5 Orbits a plant which has ancient weapons technology that can obliterate anything, and Sheridan has the remote control...
3: By the rules set down by WWWF Grudge match, back when the internet was young and I used a Dial up modem to access it, "Star Trek MUST Lose". Just Ctrl+F that term, which was something else our rudimentary browsers didn't have back in the day.
Well, considering DS9 was just a concept lift from the B5 pitch, you've actually got the same character fighting themself...
But just to get into the spirit of things...
Sisko
He was into wrestling, which would give him an advantage :cool:
could he take on a planet full of Jem'Hadar in a wrestling match? No Sheridan did, took on a planet of Shadows with nowt more than a PPG with a single cap.
could he take on a planet full of Jem'Hadar in a wrestling match? No Sheridan did, took on a planet of Shadows with nowt more than a PPG with a single cap.
Pretty sure the starship with half a gigaton of nuclear weapons on board can take at least some of the credit for that.
Pretty sure the starship with half a gigaton of nuclear weapons on board can take at least some of the credit for that.
If you remember, a very battered Sheridan with an empty gun having punched lots of Shadows arrived on the ledge, and then used his link to call the White star to his position.
Then Kosh yells at him to "Jump! Jump now!!"
I'd say Sheridan, better use of tactics, just watch in the beginning
Sheridan thought outside the box to take down a enemy cruiser that was deemed virtually unstoppable by Earth Force
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
If you remember, a very battered Sheridan with an empty gun having punched lots of Shadows arrived on the ledge, and then used his link to call the White star to his position.
Then Kosh yells at him to "Jump! Jump now!!"
Ship impacts, series ends.
I do remember. I have the giant 'everything ever made' box set. I also know you're telling scurrilous porkies in an attempt to big up Sheridan against The Sisko.
could he take on a planet full of Jem'Hadar in a wrestling match? No Sheridan did, took on a planet of Shadows with nowt more than a PPG with a single cap.
Ground: Sisko, much better fighter.
Space : One whitestar against 100 defiants, the whitestar might have a messed up paint job. No way a ship designed by an race of ancients with tech from a god species would be beat by a ship destroyed by frosty the snowmen.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
I do remember. I have the giant 'everything ever made' box set. I also know you're telling scurrilous porkies in an attempt to big up Sheridan against The Sisko.
Then you're one of the few on here who probably watch the demise of the EAS Churchill live when it was first broadcast, and how know full well how awesome B5 was, and how it knocks Everything star trek for six.
Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Strip away all but their physical ability and cunning. That means Sheridan doesn't get the Kosh fragment.
I'm trying to recall, have we actually seen Sheridan in a no-holds barred, knock-down, drag-out, one-on-one fight? We've seen scuffles, and dodge-and-weave with several opponents, but the other?
Oh, and drop them on the combat planet of the Metrons. See who figures out how to make a bamboo bomb first.
When that's been done, we need a tag team. Sisko & Sheridan vs. ? Those two would make splendid partners.
Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Strip away all but their physical ability and cunning. That means Sheridan doesn't get the Kosh fragment.
I'm trying to recall, have we actually seen Sheridan in a no-holds barred, knock-down, drag-out, one-on-one fight? We've seen scuffles, and dodge-and-weave with several opponents, but the other?
Oh, and drop them on the combat planet of the Metrons. See who figures out how to make a bamboo bomb first.
When that's been done, we need a tag team. Sisko & Sheridan vs. ? Those two would make splendid partners.
Sisko, Sheridan and Shepard vs the Daleks. The galaxy promptly explodes from its inabiity to contain such awesomeness.
Back on topic: for reasons already elaborated upon, Sisko wins a ground fight. Sheridan has good feats, but by and large Sisko has a better track record of being a resilient and tough fighter.
In a starship fight (Defiant vs White Star), I narrowly give it to Sheridan. Both ships are awesome, and both Sisko and Sheridan know how to use them really well, but I've seen Sheridan pull off sneakier, brainier tricks in the White Star than Sisko did with the Defiant (re: that first fight with a Shadow vessel)
And as to who is the better overall commander? Both are awesome, inspirational leaders whose respective crews would follow them to hell and back, and both have been touched by a strange destiny in their own right. But I will simply give this to Sheridan, for the simple reason that he managed to end a war with a single demand: "Now...get the hell out of our galaxy!"
But again, choices between DS9 and B5 are always hard, as I love both shows.
Then you're one of the few on here who probably watch the demise of the EAS Churchill live when it was first broadcast, and how know full well how awesome B5 was, and how it knocks Everything star trek for six.
Well, not knock everything Star Trek for six. I certainly prefer story arcs as opposed to exclusively episodic content though, and B5 did a lot for sci-fi. Shame a lot of the later series got all messed up because the network kept making them think they had to tie everything up because there wouldn't be another.
I would say Sheridan, only because Sisko's really the wrong Star Trek character to compare him with.
On the personal ground-combat level, true, we didn't see Sheridan in those roles much, but he did display a lot of resilience in the trip to Z'Ha'Dum. And in small-craft fighting, Sheridan in a Starfury would completely own Sisko in a runabout just based on maneuverability.
In ship-to-ship fighting, it's difficult to compare the Defiant with the White Star, as their maneuverability, resilience and firepower all seem roughly comparable when compared with their usual opponents. But you have to eventually hand it to the White Star whose crew's native language (true, through timeline pollution) regards the Earth phrase "aw, hell" as their command for "fire all weapons!" Gotta be a time-saver in getting off the first shot. It's definitely not "Hold your fire until we're within 500 meters."
But the true fact of the matter is that - the episodes with Admiral Leyton aside - Sisko wasn't fighting a war against the galaxy's worst bad guys (even if the Dominion was that, which is itself debateable) AND his own government AT THE SAME TIME. And therefore having to forge his own alliance basically from scratch. And winning both wars anyway.
Now, in that respect, it might be interesting to compare Sheridan with Archer... but that wasn't the question.
Agreed. Sisko was vital in holding the Alliance together, but not in the same way as Sheridan, who single handedly forged the alliance himself (WHILE, I should add, effectively rebelling against his own government). Nevermind the fact that near the end, Sheridan had both the Shadows AND the Vorlons to contend with: that would be like Sisko having to save the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion and the Borg at the same time. Although to be fair, Sisko never got to cheat death via a convenient deus ex machina.
Of course, for a proper B5 vs DS9 matchup, we need Quark vs Londo at a game of cards/dabo/whatever. The dialogue alone would be pure gold.
Well, not knock everything Star Trek for six. I certainly prefer story arcs as opposed to exclusively episodic content though, and B5 did a lot for sci-fi. Shame a lot of the later series got all messed up because the network kept making them think they had to tie everything up because there wouldn't be another.
Tell me about it, the network killed off another great Sci-fi series, Andromeda...
Tell me about it, the network killed off another great Sci-fi series, Andromeda...
No, Kevin Sorbo's ego killed off Andromeda. It was a complete pile of bum water after the original writers were forced off the show two series in, so it could be changed into episodic pandering to his lead role.
No, Kevin Sorbo's ego killed off Andromeda. It was a complete pile of bum water after the original writers were forced off the show two series in, so it could be changed into episodic pandering to his lead role.
The version I heard was the Network demanded episodic content and the original writers walked.
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Speaking of Borg, it's funny how their invasion in First Contact takes place while Sisko is hauling Eddington through the badlands.
"We are the Borg. We are all powerful. We cannot be stopped - he is gone, right? - we cannot be stopped... by anyone who happens to be here."
He is pretty nasty... Also, don't forget that he was willing to drag a species into a war they werent involved with... Making sure thousands of them would be killed, to make sure his side won.
That happend after ST:FC... The DS9 episode where Sisko find Bahala (whatever) happens a few days/weeks after the 2'nd Borg invasion.
That's actually not a bad match up. Both are in charge of knackered stations which have had some serious fire-power upgrades, and both have large compliments of small craft. Both have Mystical powers, and command of a single super-duper hi-tech escort.
However its gotta be Sheridan for the win. I base this on three things:
1: Sisko has a signed baseball, Sheridan has a kick TRIBBLE motorcycle.
2: DS9 Orbits wormhole with ancient beings who refuse to help and are the equivalent of space hippies, which come from the wussy end of the galaxy filled with annoying races (Bajorans, Defari, hell even the Cardassians eventually submitted to the Beta Urase field and became wimps). B5 Orbits a plant which has ancient weapons technology that can obliterate anything, and Sheridan has the remote control...
3: By the rules set down by WWWF Grudge match, back when the internet was young and I used a Dial up modem to access it, "Star Trek MUST Lose". Just Ctrl+F that term, which was something else our rudimentary browsers didn't have back in the day.
dude u need to watch Babylon 5..?
whitestars v defiants
that's the next question!
But just to get into the spirit of things...
Sisko
He was into wrestling, which would give him an advantage :cool:
could he take on a planet full of Jem'Hadar in a wrestling match? No Sheridan did, took on a planet of Shadows with nowt more than a PPG with a single cap.
Pretty sure the starship with half a gigaton of nuclear weapons on board can take at least some of the credit for that.
If you remember, a very battered Sheridan with an empty gun having punched lots of Shadows arrived on the ledge, and then used his link to call the White star to his position.
Then Kosh yells at him to "Jump! Jump now!!"
Ship impacts, series ends.
Sheridan thought outside the box to take down a enemy cruiser that was deemed virtually unstoppable by Earth Force
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I do remember. I have the giant 'everything ever made' box set. I also know you're telling scurrilous porkies in an attempt to big up Sheridan against The Sisko.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgIOdcBkkzg
THE PIMP HAND OF SISKO.
Plotholes pwn wormholes
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
That was not the question...
Ground: Sisko, much better fighter.
Space : One whitestar against 100 defiants, the whitestar might have a messed up paint job. No way a ship designed by an race of ancients with tech from a god species would be beat by a ship destroyed by frosty the snowmen.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Then you're one of the few on here who probably watch the demise of the EAS Churchill live when it was first broadcast, and how know full well how awesome B5 was, and how it knocks Everything star trek for six.
Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Strip away all but their physical ability and cunning. That means Sheridan doesn't get the Kosh fragment.
I'm trying to recall, have we actually seen Sheridan in a no-holds barred, knock-down, drag-out, one-on-one fight? We've seen scuffles, and dodge-and-weave with several opponents, but the other?
Oh, and drop them on the combat planet of the Metrons. See who figures out how to make a bamboo bomb first.
When that's been done, we need a tag team. Sisko & Sheridan vs. ? Those two would make splendid partners.
Sisko, Sheridan and Shepard vs the Daleks. The galaxy promptly explodes from its inabiity to contain such awesomeness.
Back on topic: for reasons already elaborated upon, Sisko wins a ground fight. Sheridan has good feats, but by and large Sisko has a better track record of being a resilient and tough fighter.
In a starship fight (Defiant vs White Star), I narrowly give it to Sheridan. Both ships are awesome, and both Sisko and Sheridan know how to use them really well, but I've seen Sheridan pull off sneakier, brainier tricks in the White Star than Sisko did with the Defiant (re: that first fight with a Shadow vessel)
And as to who is the better overall commander? Both are awesome, inspirational leaders whose respective crews would follow them to hell and back, and both have been touched by a strange destiny in their own right. But I will simply give this to Sheridan, for the simple reason that he managed to end a war with a single demand: "Now...get the hell out of our galaxy!"
But again, choices between DS9 and B5 are always hard, as I love both shows.
Well, not knock everything Star Trek for six. I certainly prefer story arcs as opposed to exclusively episodic content though, and B5 did a lot for sci-fi. Shame a lot of the later series got all messed up because the network kept making them think they had to tie everything up because there wouldn't be another.
Agreed. Sisko was vital in holding the Alliance together, but not in the same way as Sheridan, who single handedly forged the alliance himself (WHILE, I should add, effectively rebelling against his own government). Nevermind the fact that near the end, Sheridan had both the Shadows AND the Vorlons to contend with: that would be like Sisko having to save the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion and the Borg at the same time. Although to be fair, Sisko never got to cheat death via a convenient deus ex machina.
Of course, for a proper B5 vs DS9 matchup, we need Quark vs Londo at a game of cards/dabo/whatever. The dialogue alone would be pure gold.
Better still: G'kar against Martok.
Tell me about it, the network killed off another great Sci-fi series, Andromeda...
No, Kevin Sorbo's ego killed off Andromeda. It was a complete pile of bum water after the original writers were forced off the show two series in, so it could be changed into episodic pandering to his lead role.
The version I heard was the Network demanded episodic content and the original writers walked.