Starships that are not needed, where as the sub (or the good 50-100 bucks) ARE needed n SWTOR to do anything at all past the story mode. Yo literally cannot even get to max level or play the entire story mode anymore.
Right so sto* is best if you're a freeloader. Gotcha. I can be a freeloader on sto and treat it like a second job or pay 15 a month on swtor not have to grind as much and get what I paid for.
Oh and if you want to pay on sto... The prices are more like 20-200 vs just 15..
Swtor better game if you're okay with the concept of something you pay for. Sto: imbalanced for the exact opposite reasons
Right so story is best if you're a freeloader. Gotcha. I can be a freeloader on sto and treat it like a second job or pay 15 a month on swtor not have to grind as much and get what I paid for.
Oh and if you want to pay on sto... The prices are more like 20-200 vs just 15..
Swtor better game if you're okay with the concept of something you pay for. Sto: imbalanced for the exact opposite reasons
oh dont get me started on how much the dailys make you in credits it always made you fell more rewarded than working them dill gears
Right so sto* is best if you're a freeloader. Gotcha. I can be a freeloader on sto and treat it like a second job or pay 15 a month on swtor not have to grind as much and get what I paid for.
Oh and if you want to pay on sto... The prices are more like 20-200 vs just 15..
Swtor better game if you're okay with the concept of something you pay for. Sto: imbalanced for the exact opposite reasons
I do not treat it like a second job, and i am doing perfectly fine, where as swtor is a WOW-clone that does not allow you to do anything
also, not sure what kind of game you are paying, you have to grind just as muchin swtor as you do in STO.
I do not treat it like a second job, and i am doing perfectly fine, where as swtor is a WOW-clone that does not allow you to do anything
also, not sure what kind of game you are paying, you have to grind just as muchin swtor as you do in STO.
sto is PWE clone
ask for grind is swtor i make more money doing dailys then all the dill you can make in a day i can level from 1 to 50 doing story missions alone and not be dependent on queued missions or tedious 5 minute grind mission
zing if you want sto to become a second job you not going to tell me with dill nerf across the board the refinement daily cap you going to have everything upgraded in 6 months it didnt even take me that long to gear up in raid gear in wow or get to level 50 in swtor again i would sub to sto to remove all dill across the board
and plz wot is not a AAA IP or ST or SW so really dont care anything about that game or its endgame that is a pure PVP game sto and swtor are not
Here's the catch. I don't need to do all the grinds. hell I've barely reached tier 2 in most cases on anything. STO is just some mindless mayhelm wrapped in Star Trek for me.
SWTOR was like having a second job that I had to pay for. If I wanted to use things, I had to pay for it. End game content, have to pay. PvP once a week or pay. Basically to do anything I have to pay. STO, pay once done. WoT, pay once for something like a premium tank or 10( like I have) and I have enough credits to do anything. WoT, easy grinding and all PvP action without having to pay for it.
Sorry when you have to PAY for end game content, that's not f2p.
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Here's the catch. I don't need to do all the grinds. hell I've barely reached tier 2 in most cases on anything. STO is just some mindless mayhelm wrapped in Star Trek for me.
SWTOR was like having a second job that I had to pay for. If I wanted to use things, I had to pay for it. End game content, have to pay. PvP once a week or pay. Basically to do anything I have to pay. STO, pay once done. WoT, pay once for something like a premium tank or 10( like I have) and I have enough credits to do anything. WoT, easy grinding and all PvP action without having to pay for it.
Sorry when you have to PAY for end game content, that's not f2p.
i dont know what end game gear you are talking about as it drops from raids like in wow stuff in the cartel market are shinies like your new ships you get more of than real content oh and btw 99% of all cartel market stuff you get on the galactic exchange omg blow your mind didnt i my bad
i dont know what end game gear you are talking about as it drops from raids like in wow stuff in the cartel market are shinies like your new ships you get more of than real content oh and btw 99% of all cartel market stuff you get on the galactic exchange omg blow your mind didnt i my bad
Lets see, if you do not sub, when you do any of the raids like say Black Talon. As a free to play player you can only run it so many times per week before you don't get any loot from the raids anymore.
You can only do PvP once a week before you cannot do pvp anymore. Can't do certain areas without paying money.
STO to get into end game stuff, don't have to pay. WoT, don't have to pay for endgame. WT don't have to pay a dime for end game content.
Sorry, I don't like having stuff and areas restricted. Hell to post on their forums, gotta $$$. That's asinine!
Sorry they are a HORRIBLE F2P market. Period, the end. F2p, pay to attempt to enjoy the game. I mean hell STO gives you 10 free ability bars. SWTOR gives you 2 for free. Want more, fork it over. That's asinine. WoT F2P, pay for convenience. Way it should be. You can get any tank long as you are willing to grind for it, and many times, most of the tanks along the way can be very fun.
Just finished a grind for the Tier 10 British medium FV4202. Every tank from tier 5 in that line was nothing but fun. And to top it off, that tank is going to be replaced by a new tier 10 and the 4202 is going to be made a tier 8 premium tank.
I am getting basically a 50 dollar tank FOR FREE when the 4202 goes to a tier 8 premium tank and I still get the tier 10 tank.
Hell this year alone WoT has done two missions if you complete it you got $50 dollar tanks FOR FREE.
Name when SWTOR has done anything where they've given you $50 product for FREE? Oh wait that's right they haven't.
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Lets see, if you do not sub, when you do any of the raids like say Black Talon. As a free to play player you can only run it so many times per week before you don't get any loot from the raids anymore.
You can only do PvP once a week before you cannot do pvp anymore. Can't do certain areas without paying money.
STO to get into end game stuff, don't have to pay. WoT, don't have to pay for endgame. WT don't have to pay a dime for end game content.
Sorry, I don't like having stuff and areas restricted. Hell to post on their forums, gotta $$$. That's asinine!
Sorry they are a HORRIBLE F2P market. Period, the end. F2p, pay to attempt to enjoy the game. I mean hell STO gives you 10 free ability bars. SWTOR gives you 2 for free. Want more, fork it over. That's asinine. WoT F2P, pay for convenience. Way it should be. You can get any tank long as you are willing to grind for it, and many times, most of the tanks along the way can be very fun.
Just finished a grind for the Tier 10 British medium FV4202. Every tank from tier 5 in that line was nothing but fun. And to top it off, that tank is going to be replaced by a new tier 10 and the 4202 is going to be made a tier 8 premium tank.
I am getting basically a 50 dollar tank FOR FREE when the 4202 goes to a tier 8 premium tank and I still get the tier 10 tank.
Hell this year alone WoT has done two missions if you complete it you got $50 dollar tanks FOR FREE.
Name when SWTOR has done anything where they've given you $50 product for FREE? Oh wait that's right they haven't.
and end game sto is a second job
name one year sto gave out more mission than rep grind new ships you dont need and 5 min queued missions
want quality content gotta pay for no if ands or buts about it
oh and im getting the next swtor xpack for 20 thats 100$ less than you DR pack btw will still have more mission then the next year of content from sto
and really i dont give a TRIBBLE what WOT does again not SW or ST not even a AAA ip that is a pure PVP game that has no story so i will never be interested in it no matter what its f2p model is like
and say what you will about its f2p model its still around despite ppl like you oh i know its know judge of its player base swtor 2,439,048 likes sto 263,227 likes sto on FB so over 2mill dont have a problem with it and unlike PWE they are not afraid to give their number of active players
name one year sto gave out more mission than rep grind new ships you dont need and 5 min queued missions
want quality content gotta pay for no if ands or buts about it
oh and im getting the next swtor xpack for 20 thats 100$ less than you DR pack btw will still have more mission then the next year of content from sto
and really i dont give a TRIBBLE what WOT does again not SW or ST not even a AAA ip that is a pure PVP game that has no story so i will never be interested in it no matter what its f2p model is like
I don't have to pay for a damn thing for quality end play. You want to waste 15 bucks a month just to have the basics, you knock yourself out.
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I don't have to pay for a damn thing for quality end play. You want to waste 15 bucks a month just to have the basics, you knock yourself out.
no more a waste than your 124$ DR pack and that 15 a month lets me have access to everything including this end game gear you talk is over priced with real world money for free well except the 15 a month that also gets me 500 cartel coins like you sub to sto gets you 500 zen
Only a waste from your PoV. For me, I got some cool ships to go play.
Again, if it was such a good F2P model, why wasn't EA on that video? Oh wait because EA is garbage. Used to be good, but now pfft.
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who said i was grumpy i find your post hilarious more so the one where im wasting 15 VS your 124$
124 bucks once, how long have you paid that 15 bucks a month? I am sure a while now. All I did was frontload. You spread it out and I could of chosen not to. I simply had 120(didn't pay the extra 4 bucks thankyou) laying around with nothing to do.
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Watching that F2P vid, it occured to me that our Executive Producer is basically engaged in what I'd like to call 'Pokemon Economics.'
Ever seen James (from the 'Jesse & James' duo) hedge out one of his get-rich-fast schemes? Those go like "I sell this to one person, who then sells it 10 others people, who then each, in turn, sell it to 10 other people!" That is essentially the way D'Angelo reasons: "We let ppl upgrade like 5 weps per ship, on 5 ships, each wep at least needing 5 upgrade cycles! *ding* *ding* *ding* *drool*!
The sad part is, that, in the grown-up world, things don't scale logarithmically like that, of course. In fact, quite the opposite: people ere scale down! Taking myself as example, instead of having like 10 fully decked lockbox ships, I now only use maybe 2, as I can no longer afford the hundreds of millions in EC for endless upgrade tokens (especially for rarity upgrades), and huge amounts of Dilithium. And that C-Store Ody in my sig? Yeah, she's still flying, but no longer with a full Polaron set, but just the single Utra Rare Borg set I made, and the UR Mk XIV phasers I pulled off my Aquatic Carrier. My Elachi Escort? Haven't even gotten to upgrading all my Disruptor stuff yet. Etc. And I know I'm not alone in this.
So, I submit to you, that our resident James, aka Mr. D'Angelo, is single-handedly driving this game into the ground. Mind you, he may not be killing their revenue stream per se (at least not immediately); but as far as the game itself is concerned, he's sinking the ship, and drowning its passagengers along with it.
124 bucks once, how long have you paid that 15 bucks a month? I am sure a while now. All I did was frontload. You spread it out and I could of chosen not to. I simply had 120(didn't pay the extra 4 bucks thankyou) laying around with nothing to do.
again you keep buying them ships because that all you will ever get than a meaningful story
this always going to be the status quo of sto rep grinds 5 min queued missions more nerfs across the board be it marks dill EC XP more content that add more dill schemes and more bugs than fixs for bugs one day this game going to collapse in on itself from the bugs
Watching that F2P vid, it occured to me that our Executive Producer is basically engaged in what I'd like to call 'Pokemon Economics.'
Ever seen James (from the 'Jesse & James' duo) hedge out one of his get-rich-fast schemes? Those go like "I sell this to one person, who then sells it 10 others people, who then each, in turn, sell it to 10 other people!" That is essentially the way D'Angelo reasons: "We let ppl upgrade like 5 weps per ship, on 5 ships, each wep at least needing 5 upgrade cycles! *ding* *ding* *ding* *drool*!
The sad part is, that, in the grown-up world, things don't scale logarithmically like that, of course. In fact, quite the opposite: people ere scale down! Taking myself as example, instead of having like 10 fully decked lockbox ships, I now only use maybe 2, as I can no longer afford the hundreds of millions in EC for endless upgrade tokens (especially for rarity upgrades), and huge amounts of Dilithium. And that C-Store Ody in my sig? Yeah, she's still flying, but no longer with a full Polaron set, but just the single Utra Rare Borg set I made, and the UR Mk XIV phasers I pulled off my Aquatic Carrier. My Elachi Escort? Haven't even gotten to upgrading all my Disruptor stuff yet. Etc. And I know I'm not alone in this.
So, I submit to you, that our resident James, aka Mr. D'Angelo, is single-handedly driving this game into the ground. Mind you, he may not be killing their revenue stream per se (at least not immediately); but as far as the game itself is concerned, he's sinking the ship, and drowning its passagengers along with it.
no that cant be right everything the EP does is AWESOME!!! even calling his player cheats is AWESOME!!!
again you keep buying them ships because that all you will ever get than a meaningful story
this always going to be the status quo of sto rep grinds 5 min queued missions more nerfs across the board be it marks dill EC XP more content that add more dill schemes and more bugs than fixs for bugs one day this game going to collapse in on itself from the bugs
Again, I HAVE TO BUY IN SWTOR to get content. I log into STO, putz around in a few ships for some fun, then log out and go play WoT and WT.
Where I got two free 50 dollar tanks for a couple of easy month long missions. So forgive me I paid 125 bucks basically for some lols for about 25min to an hour. I don't even really mess with the rep grinds.
you keep saying rep grinds rep grinds rep grinds! I don't even really do them. First mistake in your logic. Second I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought the DR package. I found it worth while for my toons.
Third, what I've spent in STO PALES in comparison to what I've spent on WoT. So if you want to keep saying about what I've spent, stick to WoT. And there, my $$$ went a hell of a lot farther than SWTOR. And still do go farther.
And I'll enjoy the 100 Bucks worth of gold(premium currency), tanks and all the credits I've made off it. Even got the Tank from the movie Fury for the hell of it because like in the Video(if you forgot it's this one: Extra credits ) I get joy out of the purchances I make in WoT because they pay dividends. I don't have to keep shelling out 15 bucks a month just to enjoy the whole game. I pay 50 bucks once, and I have a premium that trains crews, makes credits hand over fist and many times are fun tanks to play.
A better video that shows what SWTOR is doing is this EC video: Monetization SWTOR is literally the second kind of game that is killing F2P. Go to 3:00. SWTOR is EXACTLY like that.
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Again, I HAVE TO BUY IN SWTOR to get content. I log into STO, putz around in a few ships for some fun, then log out and go play WoT and WT.
Where I got two free 50 dollar tanks for a couple of easy month long missions. So forgive me I paid 125 bucks basically for some lols for about 25min to an hour. I don't even really mess with the rep grinds.
you keep saying rep grinds rep grinds rep grinds! I don't even really do them. First mistake in your logic. Second I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought the DR package. I found it worth while for my toons.
Third, what I've spent in STO PALES in comparison to what I've spent on WoT. So if you want to keep saying about what I've spent, stick to WoT. And there, my $$$ went a hell of a lot farther than SWTOR. And still do go farther.
And I'll enjoy the 100 Bucks worth of gold(premium currency), tanks and all the credits I've made off it. Even got the Tank from the movie Fury for the hell of it because like in the Video(if you forgot it's this one: Extra credits ) I get joy out of the purchances I make in WoT because they pay dividends. I don't have to keep shelling out 15 bucks a month just to enjoy the whole game. I pay 50 bucks once, and I have a premium that trains crews, makes credits hand over fist and many times are fun tanks to play.
A better video that shows what SWTOR is doing is this EC video: Monetization SWTOR is literally the second kind of game that is killing F2P. Go to 3:00. SWTOR is EXACTLY like that.
and i enjoy the month and half of story i get with my 20$ on top of the 500 cartel coins i get for subing on top of the raid gear that drops in the raids
btw that video applies more than ever to sto after DR
so enjoy you 124$ cool SPACESHIPS!!!!
btw i add up what it would cost to sub to swtor for a full year 25$ more than you DR pack
and i enjoy the month and half of story i get with my 20$ on top of the 500 cartel coins i get for subing on top of the raid gear that drops in the raids
btw that video applies more than ever to sto after DR
so enjoy you 124$ cool SPACESHIPS!!!!
btw i add up what it would cost to sub to swtor for a full year 25$ more than you DR pack
Again, that's the first 124 bucks I've spent in over a year. So what? I've spent 10 times that on WoT.
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So, I submit to you, that our resident James, aka Mr. D'Angelo, is single-handedly driving this game into the ground. Mind you, he may not be killing their revenue stream per se (at least not immediately); but as far as the game itself is concerned, he's sinking the ship, and drowning its passagengers along with it.
I personally don't think D'Angelo is running things that closely. I think his big contribution you can see, aside from tech (which is his job as CTO) is how missions have random variances and branching paths to encourage replay. His big thing he brought to bear was over content design where he emphasized that the devs had mistaken repeatability for replayability. And he was right on that front. This is a point he made early on as EP and, IMHO, is evidence that he probably does have some sway with content design.
Now, with systems design (which is currently monetization, powers, progress, and mechanics -- too much for one division, really), that is Geko's domain.
And I think the systems team is more or less Executive Producer-proof on certain points. F2P brought a windfall of success and its chief architect, Geko, went from being Systems Lead to Lead Designer.
D'Angelo splits his time between different games as CTO of Cryptic whereas Geko basically runs STO.
And I feel like you can see this. Geko dislikes the forums and testing feedback and so, in the dev's own words, they aren't paying as much attention to that.
I think Dan Stahl was more on the same page as many of us prior to F2P but was making promises and plans the Cryptic bank account couldn't cash. With F2P, many of those ideas could happen but when Dan came back, he found the EP role had become a spokesman position for Geko. The only reason Geko isn't the EP in name is probably because of the negative PR that would entail.
So he gets to be a shadow Executive Producer. I'm sure Stephen gets some input at meetings but I think his feedback is more effective at art and content and I think Geko is calling the shots here in a day to day sense over most of the game.
Heck, I'd go one further and say that the reason Stephen titled his post "EP responds..." (in the third person) is because he doesn't think of himself that way. EP is a role he plays, hence the third person and need to reiterate it. I doubt he'd title a post "CTO responds" in the same way because he really is the CTO. But as EP, he's just a PR proxy for Geko, who's the real EP internally.
I personally don't think D'Angelo is running things that closely. I think his big contribution you can see, aside from tech (which is his job as CTO) is how missions have random variances and branching paths to encourage replay. His big thing he brought to bear was over content design where he emphasized that the devs had mistaken repeatability for replayability. And he was right on that front. This is a point he made early on as EP and, IMHO, is evidence that he probably does have some sway with content design.
Now, with systems design (which is currently monetization, powers, progress, and mechanics -- too much for one division, really), that is Geko's domain.
And I think the systems team is more or less Executive Producer-proof on certain points. F2P brought a windfall of success and its chief architect, Geko, went from being Systems Lead to Lead Designer.
D'Angelo splits his time between different games as CTO of Cryptic whereas Geko basically runs STO.
And I feel like you can see this. Geko dislikes the forums and testing feedback and so, in the dev's own words, they aren't paying as much attention to that.
I think Dan Stahl was more on the same page as many of us prior to F2P but was making promises and plans the Cryptic bank account couldn't cash. With F2P, many of those ideas could happen but when Dan came back, he found the EP role had become a spokesman position for Geko. The only reason Geko isn't the EP in name is probably because of the negative PR that would entail.
So he gets to be a shadow Executive Producer. I'm sure Stephen gets some input at meetings but I think his feedback is more effective at art and content and I think Geko is calling the shots here in a day to day sense over most of the game.
Heck, I'd go one further and say that the reason Stephen titled his post "EP responds..." (in the third person) is because he doesn't think of himself that way. EP is a role he plays, hence the third person and need to reiterate it. I doubt he'd title a post "CTO responds" in the same way because he really is the CTO. But as EP, he's just a PR proxy for Geko, who's the real EP internally.
Interesting points. Geko has said in interviews that he does the podcasts primarily because he's just been designated "that guy" and doesn't mind promoting and talking about the game. According to him, it's not because he's really the one calling the shots.
So it seems natural to feel like he's in charge since he's the one we hear talking about the game more often.
IMO it's really PWE who is pushing for all the increased monetization after seeing the profits it's produced in Neverwinter. Not to say it's a great game or a bad one, just that it seems to be incredibly profitable for them.
I'm not one to defend Geko in fact I can't stand the guy. He's the opposite of likeable to me. I just don't see him sitting behind his desk doing the Mr. Burns fingers and coming up with schemes to increase profits. I do see him as someone who would be super stoked to get the cast of Voyager to do VO work for the expansion though. Which is pretty cool even though I'm not personally a fan of the series.
Lets see, if you do not sub, when you do any of the raids like say Black Talon. As a free to play player you can only run it so many times per week before you don't get any loot from the raids anymore.
You can only do PvP once a week before you cannot do pvp anymore. Can't do certain areas without paying money.
STO to get into end game stuff, don't have to pay. WoT, don't have to pay for endgame. WT don't have to pay a dime for end game content.
Sorry, I don't like having stuff and areas restricted. Hell to post on their forums, gotta $$$. That's asinine!
Sorry they are a HORRIBLE F2P market. Period, the end. F2p, pay to attempt to enjoy the game. I mean hell STO gives you 10 free ability bars. SWTOR gives you 2 for free. Want more, fork it over. That's asinine. WoT F2P, pay for convenience. Way it should be. You can get any tank long as you are willing to grind for it, and many times, most of the tanks along the way can be very fun.
Just finished a grind for the Tier 10 British medium FV4202. Every tank from tier 5 in that line was nothing but fun. And to top it off, that tank is going to be replaced by a new tier 10 and the 4202 is going to be made a tier 8 premium tank.
I am getting basically a 50 dollar tank FOR FREE when the 4202 goes to a tier 8 premium tank and I still get the tier 10 tank.
Hell this year alone WoT has done two missions if you complete it you got $50 dollar tanks FOR FREE.
Name when SWTOR has done anything where they've given you $50 product for FREE? Oh wait that's right they haven't.
First of all I am the idiot or cretin you are speaking of . Second, grind a toon from 1-60 and try to do end game content in STO. LMAO yea those Advanced STFs will be a breeze for a fresh 60 and barely any reputation or fleet/rep gear or in a base T5 ship:rolleyes: FYI, all the stuff you say you can't get without paying you can by buying off the exchange in SWTOR:rolleyes: Weekly pvp access, fp, raid access, xp boosts etc. A new player now would have to wait until the Winter Event in order to have a chance at a T5U or T6 ship for "free" By nerfing all of the vendor trash loot prices they made it even more time consuming to get the credits for the 4 fleet modules for a fleet ship.
By nerfing dil payouts combined with astronomical dil costs to beat time gates, they are trying to capitalize on the Dil exchange and trying to push people to buy keys to sell by making Zen the only way to get anything in a reasonable amount of time.
At least with SWTOR I can sub for a month, play everything to my hearts content then leave if I want and unsub. Or I could spend $15 in STO and either get ~225k dil, ~$30 MILLION ec in keys, or half a T6 ship. :rolleyes:
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Right so sto* is best if you're a freeloader. Gotcha. I can be a freeloader on sto and treat it like a second job or pay 15 a month on swtor not have to grind as much and get what I paid for.
Oh and if you want to pay on sto... The prices are more like 20-200 vs just 15..
Swtor better game if you're okay with the concept of something you pay for. Sto: imbalanced for the exact opposite reasons
oh dont get me started on how much the dailys make you in credits it always made you fell more rewarded than working them dill gears
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I do not treat it like a second job, and i am doing perfectly fine, where as swtor is a WOW-clone that does not allow you to do anything
also, not sure what kind of game you are paying, you have to grind just as muchin swtor as you do in STO.
You do? You must've completely missed the legacy system.
sto is PWE clone
ask for grind is swtor i make more money doing dailys then all the dill you can make in a day i can level from 1 to 50 doing story missions alone and not be dependent on queued missions or tedious 5 minute grind mission
system Lord Baal is dead
Here's the catch. I don't need to do all the grinds. hell I've barely reached tier 2 in most cases on anything. STO is just some mindless mayhelm wrapped in Star Trek for me.
SWTOR was like having a second job that I had to pay for. If I wanted to use things, I had to pay for it. End game content, have to pay. PvP once a week or pay. Basically to do anything I have to pay. STO, pay once done. WoT, pay once for something like a premium tank or 10( like I have) and I have enough credits to do anything. WoT, easy grinding and all PvP action without having to pay for it.
Sorry when you have to PAY for end game content, that's not f2p.
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i dont know what end game gear you are talking about as it drops from raids like in wow
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Lets see, if you do not sub, when you do any of the raids like say Black Talon. As a free to play player you can only run it so many times per week before you don't get any loot from the raids anymore.
You can only do PvP once a week before you cannot do pvp anymore. Can't do certain areas without paying money.
STO to get into end game stuff, don't have to pay. WoT, don't have to pay for endgame. WT don't have to pay a dime for end game content.
Sorry, I don't like having stuff and areas restricted. Hell to post on their forums, gotta $$$. That's asinine!
Sorry they are a HORRIBLE F2P market. Period, the end. F2p, pay to attempt to enjoy the game. I mean hell STO gives you 10 free ability bars. SWTOR gives you 2 for free. Want more, fork it over. That's asinine. WoT F2P, pay for convenience. Way it should be. You can get any tank long as you are willing to grind for it, and many times, most of the tanks along the way can be very fun.
Just finished a grind for the Tier 10 British medium FV4202. Every tank from tier 5 in that line was nothing but fun. And to top it off, that tank is going to be replaced by a new tier 10 and the 4202 is going to be made a tier 8 premium tank.
I am getting basically a 50 dollar tank FOR FREE when the 4202 goes to a tier 8 premium tank and I still get the tier 10 tank.
Hell this year alone WoT has done two missions if you complete it you got $50 dollar tanks FOR FREE.
Name when SWTOR has done anything where they've given you $50 product for FREE? Oh wait that's right they haven't.
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and end game sto is a second job
name one year sto gave out more mission than rep grind new ships you dont need and 5 min queued missions
want quality content gotta pay for no if ands or buts about it
oh and im getting the next swtor xpack for 20 thats 100$ less than you DR pack
and really i dont give a TRIBBLE what WOT does again not SW or ST not even a AAA ip that is a pure PVP game that has no story so i will never be interested in it no matter what its f2p model is like
and say what you will about its f2p model its still around despite ppl like you oh i know its know judge of its player base swtor 2,439,048 likes sto 263,227 likes sto on FB so over 2mill dont have a problem with it
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I don't have to pay for a damn thing for quality end play. You want to waste 15 bucks a month just to have the basics, you knock yourself out.
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no more a waste than your 124$ DR pack
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Only a waste from your PoV. For me, I got some cool ships to go play.
Again, if it was such a good F2P model, why wasn't EA on that video? Oh wait because EA is garbage. Used to be good, but now pfft.
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same can be said about you PoV
btw i dedicate this song to ppl like you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
oh and this also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYJyCCO8Dc
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Did they re-post that? I could have sworn I saw the exact same video months ago. (The post date on the vid says September 2014.)
On topic, literally every word in that is true.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Are you always this grumpy. I dedicate this to you:
you have my pity
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who said i was grumpy i find your post hilarious more so the one where im wasting 15 VS your 124$
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124 bucks once, how long have you paid that 15 bucks a month? I am sure a while now. All I did was frontload. You spread it out and I could of chosen not to. I simply had 120(didn't pay the extra 4 bucks thankyou) laying around with nothing to do.
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Ever seen James (from the 'Jesse & James' duo) hedge out one of his get-rich-fast schemes? Those go like "I sell this to one person, who then sells it 10 others people, who then each, in turn, sell it to 10 other people!" That is essentially the way D'Angelo reasons: "We let ppl upgrade like 5 weps per ship, on 5 ships, each wep at least needing 5 upgrade cycles! *ding* *ding* *ding* *drool*!
The sad part is, that, in the grown-up world, things don't scale logarithmically like that, of course. In fact, quite the opposite: people ere scale down! Taking myself as example, instead of having like 10 fully decked lockbox ships, I now only use maybe 2, as I can no longer afford the hundreds of millions in EC for endless upgrade tokens (especially for rarity upgrades), and huge amounts of Dilithium. And that C-Store Ody in my sig? Yeah, she's still flying, but no longer with a full Polaron set, but just the single Utra Rare Borg set I made, and the UR Mk XIV phasers I pulled off my Aquatic Carrier. My Elachi Escort? Haven't even gotten to upgrading all my Disruptor stuff yet. Etc. And I know I'm not alone in this.
So, I submit to you, that our resident James, aka Mr. D'Angelo, is single-handedly driving this game into the ground. Mind you, he may not be killing their revenue stream per se (at least not immediately); but as far as the game itself is concerned, he's sinking the ship, and drowning its passagengers along with it.
again you keep buying them ships because that all you will ever get than a meaningful story
this always going to be the status quo of sto rep grinds 5 min queued missions more nerfs across the board be it marks dill EC XP more content that add more dill schemes and more bugs than fixs for bugs one day this game going to collapse in on itself from the bugs
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no that cant be right everything the EP does is AWESOME!!! even calling his player cheats is AWESOME!!!
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Amen brother. Executes at Cryptic and PWE need to view this. It describes the state of and direction of this game perfectly.
LOL. You're so right. :P
EDIT: Made a typo, and corrected it too late. Welcome to the PWE forums! Where even an edited post is displayed to make you feel like you cheated.
Again, I HAVE TO BUY IN SWTOR to get content. I log into STO, putz around in a few ships for some fun, then log out and go play WoT and WT.
Where I got two free 50 dollar tanks for a couple of easy month long missions. So forgive me I paid 125 bucks basically for some lols for about 25min to an hour. I don't even really mess with the rep grinds.
you keep saying rep grinds rep grinds rep grinds! I don't even really do them. First mistake in your logic. Second I knew exactly what I was doing when I bought the DR package. I found it worth while for my toons.
Third, what I've spent in STO PALES in comparison to what I've spent on WoT. So if you want to keep saying about what I've spent, stick to WoT. And there, my $$$ went a hell of a lot farther than SWTOR. And still do go farther.
And I'll enjoy the 100 Bucks worth of gold(premium currency), tanks and all the credits I've made off it. Even got the Tank from the movie Fury for the hell of it because like in the Video(if you forgot it's this one: Extra credits ) I get joy out of the purchances I make in WoT because they pay dividends. I don't have to keep shelling out 15 bucks a month just to enjoy the whole game. I pay 50 bucks once, and I have a premium that trains crews, makes credits hand over fist and many times are fun tanks to play.
A better video that shows what SWTOR is doing is this EC video: Monetization SWTOR is literally the second kind of game that is killing F2P. Go to 3:00. SWTOR is EXACTLY like that.
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and i enjoy the month and half of story i get with my 20$ on top of the 500 cartel coins i get for subing on top of the raid gear that drops in the raids
btw that video applies more than ever to sto after DR
so enjoy you 124$ cool SPACESHIPS!!!!
btw i add up what it would cost to sub to swtor for a full year 25$ more than you DR pack
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/14/6001503/star-wars-the-old-republic-2014-players-ea-bioware where is sto
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Again, that's the first 124 bucks I've spent in over a year. So what? I've spent 10 times that on WoT.
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and had not the EP called me a cheat i would have spent money on sto on Friday but now im sure you can guess where that money is going
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I personally don't think D'Angelo is running things that closely. I think his big contribution you can see, aside from tech (which is his job as CTO) is how missions have random variances and branching paths to encourage replay. His big thing he brought to bear was over content design where he emphasized that the devs had mistaken repeatability for replayability. And he was right on that front. This is a point he made early on as EP and, IMHO, is evidence that he probably does have some sway with content design.
Now, with systems design (which is currently monetization, powers, progress, and mechanics -- too much for one division, really), that is Geko's domain.
And I think the systems team is more or less Executive Producer-proof on certain points. F2P brought a windfall of success and its chief architect, Geko, went from being Systems Lead to Lead Designer.
D'Angelo splits his time between different games as CTO of Cryptic whereas Geko basically runs STO.
And I feel like you can see this. Geko dislikes the forums and testing feedback and so, in the dev's own words, they aren't paying as much attention to that.
I think Dan Stahl was more on the same page as many of us prior to F2P but was making promises and plans the Cryptic bank account couldn't cash. With F2P, many of those ideas could happen but when Dan came back, he found the EP role had become a spokesman position for Geko. The only reason Geko isn't the EP in name is probably because of the negative PR that would entail.
So he gets to be a shadow Executive Producer. I'm sure Stephen gets some input at meetings but I think his feedback is more effective at art and content and I think Geko is calling the shots here in a day to day sense over most of the game.
Heck, I'd go one further and say that the reason Stephen titled his post "EP responds..." (in the third person) is because he doesn't think of himself that way. EP is a role he plays, hence the third person and need to reiterate it. I doubt he'd title a post "CTO responds" in the same way because he really is the CTO. But as EP, he's just a PR proxy for Geko, who's the real EP internally.
Interesting points. Geko has said in interviews that he does the podcasts primarily because he's just been designated "that guy" and doesn't mind promoting and talking about the game. According to him, it's not because he's really the one calling the shots.
So it seems natural to feel like he's in charge since he's the one we hear talking about the game more often.
IMO it's really PWE who is pushing for all the increased monetization after seeing the profits it's produced in Neverwinter. Not to say it's a great game or a bad one, just that it seems to be incredibly profitable for them.
I'm not one to defend Geko in fact I can't stand the guy. He's the opposite of likeable to me. I just don't see him sitting behind his desk doing the Mr. Burns fingers and coming up with schemes to increase profits. I do see him as someone who would be super stoked to get the cast of Voyager to do VO work for the expansion though. Which is pretty cool even though I'm not personally a fan of the series.
First of all I am the idiot or cretin you are speaking of
By nerfing dil payouts combined with astronomical dil costs to beat time gates, they are trying to capitalize on the Dil exchange and trying to push people to buy keys to sell by making Zen the only way to get anything in a reasonable amount of time.
At least with SWTOR I can sub for a month, play everything to my hearts content then leave if I want and unsub. Or I could spend $15 in STO and either get ~225k dil, ~$30 MILLION ec in keys, or half a T6 ship. :rolleyes: