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U.S.S. Vengeance (Into Darkness) in STO

zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
I subscribe to Star Trek. The official starships collection magazine and this morning I received the latest issues and models. Among them was the U.S.S. Vengeance.

After spending a little time admiring the model I started thinking that it would probably work rather well as an intel ship considering that it was built by section 31 for covert ops.

It wouldn't be the first time an alternate timeline ship was added to the game and we have far older ships than this one serving as T5 ships so wouldn't it be awesome to have this thing as a T6 intel ship.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    edited October 2014
    Due to contract stuff, Anything from the '09 Alt universe will most likely not make it into STO. As much as I would LOVE to have the uniforms and hand phasers... Paramount owns the rights to the '09 AR, while CBS owns the rights to everything STO can access, which is pretty much everything from Nemesis back, with the Luna and Vesta being exceptions.
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Well thats a shame but still if it could happen wouldnt it be cool
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    What alternate timeline ships were added? Don't give me that Gal-X BS...basically added a nacelle and cannons to a current ship, didn't rip a completely new ship from over a century ago and suddenly start building it.

    If that is your defense I will ask the question, what canon evidence can you show me that the Gal-X didn't exist in the 25th century in the Prime TNG timeline?

    I don't mean to be harsh but I grow tired of all the people who act like the Gal-X is some un-starfleet like alien ship that couldn't possibly be within the realm of possibility of existing in the 25th century.
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    What alternate timeline ships were added?

    Every mirror universe ship? They are all from an alternate timeline/universe.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    We might not get the Vengeance exactly as it is, but I wouldn't be surprised if they include a close-copy of it as either an Intel-variant skin of the Odyssey (could fit as a T6 Fleet skin, and fits rather well given the Oddy being the largest Fed ship besides the Jupiter class) or as a new T6 Battleship using the Typhoon as a base (or serve as an alternate skin to a playable T6 Typhoon, which also shares a similar compact but battle-oriented design and intent).

    We already have the Narada in spirit, with the Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer and Cruiser (mainly the Cruiser), the Kinetic Cutting Beam, and elements of New Romulus line pull from JJTrek, such as Spock and Nero's disappearance. Additionally, older movie elements have been incorporated in the past, despite different holders.

    While CBS may say no to an exact copy, given that they allowed elements to be used in some modified form or fashion with the aforementioned examples, they probably won't say no either to a Vengeance-derived ship or skin, as long as it's not 100% exact. Given this, the Vengeance as a skin for the Odyssey is more likely on the basis that the configuration will not look as accurate as it would if it was a skin for a playable Typhoon (which also shares a rather compact design similarity to the Avenger).

    The JJTrek Uniforms however, is an entirely different story. I very much doubt CBS will allow those to cross over; unless the 3rd movie rakes in enough to consider negotiating some asset use or some deal is signed to allow limited access to the stuff as a promotional.
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Wait, what older ships are serving as T5? To my knowledge, according to jjtrek, the vengeance is the follow up to the enterprise. Show me a T5 ship in the game, or even in the entire trek universes that is older than the constitution. I don't think you can, because the oldest T5 I can think of is the excelsior, and that served as the NCC1701B, and if I recall, there was the nx, ncc1701, and the ncc1701 refit before the B.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    There's no need to follow JJTrek lore if a Vengeance based ship or skin is simply going to be used and modified as an Intel derivative. Heck, all they'd have to say is that the ship design was based on ship designs stolen from other timelines (Section 31 already admitted to using time travel regardless of what the Temporal Bureau says they try to stop). So Tier levels corresponding to timeline service doesn't matter in this case.

    Following it would actually be more inconvenient; besides the obvious blatant 1:1 copying and issues with that, players would have access to a massive starship (which is around 1450m; 50m longer than the Odyssey) at Tier 2 or Tier 3 (as awesome as that'd be compared to the bland Constitution or Excelsior design), depending on which Constitution variant you use (T1 classic or T2 Excalibur/Constitution variant).
  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    What alternate timeline ships were added? Don't give me that Gal-X BS...basically added a nacelle and cannons to a current ship, didn't rip a completely new ship from over a century ago and suddenly start building it.

    If that is your defense I will ask the question, what canon evidence can you show me that the Gal-X didn't exist in the 25th century in the Prime TNG timeline?

    I don't mean to be harsh but I grow tired of all the people who act like the Gal-X is some un-starfleet like alien ship that couldn't possibly be within the realm of possibility of existing in the 25th century.


    It is heavily implied that the Galaxy Refit of AGT is a one-off, Will Rikers personal project to keep the Ent-D from being decomissioned. Since we don't see much of the outgoing 24th century portrayed in AGT we have no proof in favour or against anything, though the implication is that the "X" is not a refit for ships on the line but exclusive to the one and only Ent-D.
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  • sicjebsicjeb Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    I subscribe to Star Trek. The official starships collection magazine and this morning I received the latest issues and models. Among them was the U.S.S. Vengeance.

    Yeah, I wasn't expecting that to come through the door yesterday, and it is nice!
    I also like the runabout model, they done a pretty good job with that!
  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Wait, what older ships are serving as T5? To my knowledge, according to jjtrek, the vengeance is the follow up to the enterprise. Show me a T5 ship in the game, or even in the entire trek universes that is older than the constitution. I don't think you can, because the oldest T5 I can think of is the excelsior, and that served as the NCC1701B, and if I recall, there was the nx, ncc1701, and the ncc1701 refit before the B.
    Andorian escorts are t5 and from the Enterprise era
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sicjeb wrote: »
    Yeah, I wasn't expecting that to come through the door yesterday, and it is nice!
    I also like the runabout model, they done a pretty good job with that!

    ooh yeah i love the runabout as well. glad they gave us the one with the torpedo pod
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    Andorian escorts are t5 and from the Enterprise era

    The Vulcan D'Kyr, too.
    B'Rel may actually be younger than the Constitution, since it only appeared in the movies, but it could be a candidate.

    Not sure what Raptor or Battlecruiser Fleet Retrofits exist that could also hail from the Enterprise or Constitution era.
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The Vulcan D'Kyr, too.
    B'Rel may actually be younger than the Constitution, since it only appeared in the movies, but it could be a candidate.

    Not sure what Raptor or Battlecruiser Fleet Retrofits exist that could also hail from the Enterprise or Constitution era.

    Also all the Xindi ships are enterprise era and T5 as far as I know
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    Andorian escorts are t5 and from the Enterprise era

    Not the same ships. They are modern ships based of the old Kumari design..

    The Vengeance is kind of in game. The silhouette was used in the Avenger's design.
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  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    Wait, what older ships are serving as T5? To my knowledge, according to jjtrek, the vengeance is the follow up to the enterprise. Show me a T5 ship in the game, or even in the entire trek universes that is older than the constitution. I don't think you can, because the oldest T5 I can think of is the excelsior, and that served as the NCC1701B, and if I recall, there was the nx, ncc1701, and the ncc1701 refit before the B.
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  • jim625jim625 Member Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited October 2014
  • shadowfirefly00shadowfirefly00 Member Posts: 1,026 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Silly contract-induced fragmenting of the Trek universe aside, that type of skin pattern would be nice to have... which makes me wonder, again, how hard it would be to make the various hull visual effects things that can be applied in the ship tailor independent of the gear associated with them (in the vein of the costume options unlocked by completing certain gear sets).
  • jjohnson1777jjohnson1777 Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    If you want to fly the Vengeance grab the Avenger, it's the closest you will get. It even has a black hull material option.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    What alternate timeline ships were added? Don't give me that Gal-X BS...basically added a nacelle and cannons to a current ship, didn't rip a completely new ship from over a century ago and suddenly start building it.

    If that is your defense I will ask the question, what canon evidence can you show me that the Gal-X didn't exist in the 25th century in the Prime TNG timeline?

    I don't mean to be harsh but I grow tired of all the people who act like the Gal-X is some un-starfleet like alien ship that couldn't possibly be within the realm of possibility of existing in the 25th century.


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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    If you want to fly the Vengeance grab the Avenger, it's the closest you will get. It even has a black hull material option.

    I have one of those. it looks cool but i dont enjoy flying it very much
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It all boils down to profitability, negotiations and the profitability/liscence cost ratio for Cryptic/PWE. While it is true that STO only has the IP liscence from CBS, while Paramount is in possesion of the IP for the latest ST movies, I remember the previous EP - Stahl posting a reply on this that ended with something like "things change so never say never".
    It's a long shot to be sure, but at the end I think it all depends on how profitable would Cryptic/PWE deem the move for obtaining a liscence for this and wheather the amount that needs to be payed for it would be worthwile compared to the profit they expect to make from it.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    No

    The ship is out of date. Too old and weak to be a T6 ship. They won't let us have a Connie at that level. So no weak Vengeance too.

    IF they decided to bring it into the game. It will make a nice T2 ship. Along with the Connie and Miranda.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    No!
    :P It is an Evul ship designed by a white guy playing someone of Far Eastern descent. Who is based(loosely) on a Hispanic guy playing someone of Far Eastern descent. Feddy Bears are supposed to be Da Good Guys. So no Evul ship for Feddy Bears allowed! :P

    Kidding aside, if you're after the looks of the Vengeance, then the Avenger class with the Avenger skin is probably as close as pwe/cryptic can get without copyright infringement.
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    farmallm wrote: »
    No

    The ship is out of date. Too old and weak to be a T6 ship. They won't let us have a Connie at that level. So no weak Vengeance too.

    IF they decided to bring it into the game. It will make a nice T2 ship. Along with the Connie and Miranda.
    Need I remind you that the Kumari and the Xindi ships are all pre constitution class ships and yet they are all T5
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    Need I remind you that the Kumari and the Xindi ships are all pre constitution class ships and yet they are all T5

    I was being funny about it. As this is the usual reply for the ones asking for the Connie at T5. Plus this has been also been asked for a long time now. Which is why all T5 Connie threads are banned. :P

    I was one of the guys wanting a Connie at T5/T6. My KDF flies in a K'Tinga I got from the Fleet store. :D
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    Every mirror universe ship? They are all from an alternate timeline/universe.

    Oh...so ships from another Universe that travel to our own are the same as ships from a century ago that have never been seen in our Universe are the same thing right? :rolleyes:

    Besides, the Mirror Universe isn't a alternate timeline, it's a alternate universe...it didn't splinter from the Prime universe.
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  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    F*** JJ Trek. No No No No No No No! That vapid alternate universe can go to hell.
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Oh...so ships from another Universe that travel to our own are the same as ships from a century ago that have never been seen in our Universe are the same thing right? :rolleyes:

    Besides, the Mirror Universe isn't a alternate timeline, it's a alternate universe...it didn't splinter from the Prime universe.

    actually it is an alternate timeline. Depending on what source you believe is more cannon Enterprise or the preserver novels. The mirror universe is an alternate timeline where the point of divergence is first contact. In the case of enterprise the humans attacked the vulcans during first contact. In the case of the preserver novels first contact did not happen because in the prime universe the preservers influence led a vulcan ship to pass near earth. In the mirror universe this did not happen. At least I think thats how it went. I havent read those novels in a rather long time.
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  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    I subscribe to Star Trek. The official starships collection magazine and this morning I received the latest issues and models. Among them was the U.S.S. Vengeance.

    After spending a little time admiring the model I started thinking that it would probably work rather well as an intel ship considering that it was built by section 31 for covert ops.

    It wouldn't be the first time an alternate timeline ship was added to the game and we have far older ships than this one serving as T5 ships so wouldn't it be awesome to have this thing as a T6 intel ship.

    that one is the ugliest ship in all star trek. second is that new intel science.
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