And, for them providing a so called service! Well, that's nice and all but, really the majority of player's really could care less.
For coming onto the forums and, acting like the almighty himself over the so called common folk, not only ticks me off furiously but, also is quite prejudice since I am of Christian faith so, the comments regarding themselves as such is, quite rude to say the least imo.
Actually, a lot of players do care - the vast majority want to improve, and DPS Channels have aided countless players to improve.
If your God is as powerful as you say he is, and far more significantly he says he is, he doesn't need you to defend him.
Translation:
Ladies roll eyes and leave me for some reason when I talk to them in reality and if I talk to them about my awesome DPS in my startrek online ship.
Sorry had to write it but certainly I do admire your dedication
Grinding for MkIV epic gear?
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
I will give it to you, that there is the slightest and, I do mean slightest possibility some people didn't realize it was an exploit but, the vast majority have enough common sense to know they were exploiting this flaw.
Even with a youtube video, plain as day depicting how easy it was, to level up using tau dewa patrols, I could clearly see with my own 2 eyes that it was being exploited, that they xp rewarded did not match the intended difficulty challenge, that the enemy wasn't correctly scaling to the player's lvl, etc.
Could the punishment been less severe? Sure, I can attest to that but, I am not in control of the game, the Dev's are.
Am I in complete agreement to how the Dev's handled the situation? No but, again there is nothing I can do to change it really so, again it is, what it is!
And I actually agree with you on this point, clearly there was something wrong with Tau Dewa patrols, mobs 10 levels below you (if you were 60) giving you almost equivalent xp to mobs equal level to you.
That obviously isn't right.
But for my part, I was no where near Tau Dewa, I stayed in the Delta Quadrant, did just about all of the missions on elite, which got me to experience the story as it appears in the journal.
After I hit level cap, I was in patrols, doing what I was told to do by the game and on elite.
Was it easy for me? Heck no? Did it feel like I was gaining too much xp? Heck no Was I clearing patrols in 10 mins time? Heck no
But somehow I was swept into this spec point wipe along with others that didn't partake in the TD exploit.
Did I play just about all day everyday since expac release? Yep
Should I have been punished because I didn't meet some magic number set by some guy that doesn't even play the game? Heck no!
Solo I was clearing the Argala patrol on elite in about 30-45 mins, depending on which enemy appeared in there. In a group of similar players it was a little faster maybe somewhere around 20-35 mins.
That to me is not an exploit by any means. Did I max out my spec trees? I wish! I lost somewhere around 14 spec points thanks to this wipe. Not to mention the dil buying kit modules I can no longer use since I don't have the points anymore.
Did Cryptic handle this situation correctly? Not in the slightest
I felt their attitude was one of finger-pointing instead of placing the blame squarely where it's due, on their shoulders.
But honestly, if someone spent more time in game than even I did, and found a quicker way to max out their trees, you know what, I really don't care, it's their point of view to play like that.
Should people have had their spec points wiped with such a broad stroke, I honestly don't feel that was the best answer. And here's the reason why, of course I can grind those 14 spec points out, but there is something I can never get back that is very important to me, and that's my time.
Frankly, I thought I was playing the game as intended, higher difficultly, has always meant greater reward no matter what MMO you play, and I was doing it in the newest content against mobs that were even level to me.
And I thought Wraithy had an axe to grind... None of your post is accurate, and as you refuse to even want to improve you are wasting time.
At least Wraithy makes it amusing. Mostly.
Improve? What? I have.. you missed it. Google this fleet, really anyone can swoop in as a fleet and say 'Wow listen I can help your game and your employees' Yeah.. PWE will listen to that..
Still, 50k is massively pushing the limits of what is currently possible for a Fed character, 30k is far more reasonable - search for 30k Rom Plasma Avengers for a build like the one the guy actually asked for.
I guess you didn't know that changing the difficulty was considered exploiting. :rolleyes:
No, I was unaware till Mr. D'Angelo pointed it out to me. My bad for thinking the game had difficulty sliders for a reason. Silly me!
But honestly, once I heard people were having so much trouble getting to level 51, and I got there from doing the patrols that are part of the mission, I just figured, I guess the devs wanted us to play on elite. Boy was I wrong.
And I actually agree with you on this point, clearly there was something wrong with Tau Dewa patrols, mobs 10 levels below you (if you were 60) giving you almost equivalent xp to mobs equal level to you.
That obviously isn't right.
But for my part, I was no where near Tau Dewa, I stayed in the Delta Quadrant, did just about all of the missions on elite, which got me to experience the story as it appears in the journal.
After I hit level cap, I was in patrols, doing what I was told to do by the game and on elite.
Was it easy for me? Heck no? Did it feel like I was gaining too much xp? Heck no Was I clearing patrols in 10 mins time? Heck no
But somehow I was swept into this spec point wipe along with others that didn't partake in the TD exploit.
Did I play just about all day everyday since expac release? Yep
Should I have been punished because I didn't meet some magic number set by some guy that doesn't even play the game? Heck no!
Solo I was clearing the Argala patrol on elite in about 30-45 mins, depending on which enemy appeared in there. In a group of similar players it was a little faster maybe somewhere around 20-35 mins.
That to me is not an exploit by any means. Did I max out my spec trees? I wish! I lost somewhere around 14 spec points thanks to this wipe. Not to mention the dil buying kit modules I can no longer use since I don't have the points anymore.
Did Cryptic handle this situation correctly? Not in the slightest
I felt their attitude was one of finger-pointing instead of placing the blame squarely where it's due, on their shoulders.
But honestly, if someone spent more time in game than even I did, and found a quicker way to max out their trees, you know what, I really don't care, it's their point of view to play like that.
Should people have had their spec points wiped with such a broad stroke, I honestly don't feel that was the best answer. And here's the reason why, of course I can grind those 14 spec points out, but there is something I can never get back that is very important to me, and that's my time.
Frankly, I thought I was playing the game as intended, higher difficultly, has always meant greater reward no matter what MMO you play, and I was doing it in the newest content against mobs that were even level to me.
Entirely separate issue - there was an actual exploit going on, side by side with the levelling in the patrols, it wasn't just a total blaming it all on players fest. Still blaming their problems on players, just not quite as bad as it looked as it happened.
Entirely separate issue - there was an actual exploit going on, side by side with the levelling in the patrols, it wasn't just a total blaming it all on players fest. Still blaming their problems on players, just not quite as bad as it looked as it happened.
Of course I know it's a separate issue, but based on the EP's post with anyone that was over 10 spec points, got hit. At this point, they all seem to blend together.
And again, that magic number of 10 is also wrong, I know people that only had 6-7 spec points post level 60 that still got brought down to a base of 10.
Of course I know it's a separate issue, but based on the EP's post with anyone that was over 10 spec points, got hit. At this point, they all seem to blend together.
And again, that magic number of 10 is also wrong, I know people that only had 6-7 spec points post level 60 that still got brought down to a base of 10.
Yes, they definitely still need to sort it out - a lot of people have been messed up by it. The OP lost 40 or 50 levels equivalent, part of why they made the thread was because EP suggested anyone with more was exploiting the exploit and not just DPS monstering their way up.
I didn't lose anything, but that was because I figured DR would be bugged to frak on launch...
Just spitballing, but the way the players here can turn on each other over nothing is kinda pathetic.
The guy has a monster high DPS, that he either attained through effort or spent crazy cash on, which is exactly what the Devs want. He then tries to make his case to the Devs, that he played this game legit and is now being punished for being too efficient, and you people swoop down on him because it hurts your pride, or whatever.
He didn't whine, didn't brag, didn't troll. And certainly didn't bother me or any of you, except those that decide making high performance a capital crime because you don't have it.
(ok, so he bragged a little, i still don't see the problem given the context)
Why is it so hard to believe that a group of players that could complete the old pre-DR ISE in a minute could plow through elite DR patrols in mere minutes?
Check my signature below, my character Jena is the highest DPSing non-romulan toon in the game. I can push out 15x to 17x more damage than your average player.
My friends and I in the DPS league do so much damage together that we completely wiped the floor with your pride and joy "Elite" difficulty Battle of Korfez. We made it seem so easy that it could have been mistaken for an Normal difficulty queue. We ploughed it so hard that your developers where impressed, started calling us "Wizards" on the P1 podcast interview, and wanted to get in contact with us to find out how we did it.
We are so good at this game that we could literally take all our weapons off our ships except 1 and still out perform your average player. We are that good.
Our performance numbers are so astronomically higher than your average STO player, why would you not think our leveling efficiency would also be astronically higher?
Do you honestly think that if you put 4 or 5 50k, 60k, 70k, 80k DPS players together in a team that we would toddle along leveling at the same speed as your average 3k DPS player?
I believe that you and/or some of your devs should have a sit down with some of us in the DPS league so we can teach you how to properly play this game.
The difficulty now is so broken, that I just laughed my TRIBBLE off and quit the game. If DPS people who completely wreck the numbers of newbie players have trouble with this ****, I'm done.
I don't know how they expect this game to be accessible to the majority of people if their content can't be blown through by THE TOP DPS PLAYERS.
The difficulty now is so broken, that I just laughed my TRIBBLE off and quit the game. If DPS people who completely wreck the numbers of newbie players have trouble with this ****, I'm done.
I don't know how they expect this game to be accessible to the majority of people if their content can't be blown through by THE TOP DPS PLAYERS.
It's mind boggling.
No, not really, working as intended.
Grind yoru eyeballs out or purchase zen, convert zen to dil, play upgrade roulette with your gear.
Majority of people are only relevant in relation of how much they spend in cold hard cash.
Grind yoru eyeballs out or purchase zen, convert zen to dil, play upgrade roulette with your gear.
Majority of people are only relevant in relation of how much they spend in cold hard cash.
And then they come to the realization that their gear won't help them and they just spent 10000$ USD to get all gold gear and everything upgraded to max.
Then they quit the game and the devs are 10k richer! It's sickening.
And then they come to the realization that their gear won't help them and they just spent 10000$ USD to get all gold gear and everything upgraded to max.
Then they quit the game and the devs are 10k richer! It's sickening.
And yet if you use Tribble you can build and test out an all Epic boat at no cost apart from time...
what's the difference between ego, arrogance and pride?
To use a metaphor :
A good student gets good grades , and should feel proud (but should also have the humility to keep that pride in check / to himself ).
A bad student may get good grades , but then he makes an TRIBBLE of himself by going over to the headmasters office and offering to teach him how to run his curriculum (based on his grades) .
The second person is you , sarcasmdetector .
Apparently advising other players is no longer enough for you ... .
... league of DPS ... -- wow ... , could't bring yourself to call yourself a "legend" yet ? Don't worry ... you will ... :rolleyes:
Does that mean someone who's been rebalancing games via mods for over a decade would have no concept of how to balance STO?
I'm not saying the OP has that as a calling card, but I know a few people who do. It really wouldn't be hard to fix up the balance, however with their spaghetti code it might break a few things along the way, but it would result in a restructuring that would benefit the Dev's and the Players equally.
Hell I can think of multiple ways to balance the new gear, STF's, PvE and PvP along with keeping things pleasantly rewarding for the avg player. It's not rocket science, but it includes a lot of numbers and a bit of economics...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
The only thing I blame the OP for is, coming off like a total stuck up arrogant snob elitist and, you seem to be following up behind them, with your pooper scooper, collecting what your nose up their back door doesn't already retrieve.
And, for them providing a so called service! Well, that's nice and all but, really the majority of player's really could care less.
For coming onto the forums and, acting like the almighty himself over the so called common folk, not only ticks me off furiously but, also is quite prejudice since I am of Christian faith so, the comments regarding themselves as such is, quite rude to say the least imo.
So you claim the OP is a snob then bring your idea of faith into the discussion taking offence to an offhand, very flippant comment that was very clearly designed for amusement.
Not to mention that you said I can't read. Funny, you think you have any point? So far I've just seen you whine about someone else, ignore reasoned arguments against yours, then finally play the Religion card to try to validate your bigotry.
TBH you are coming across as "a total stuck up arrogant snob elitist," to quote your claim, when so far you have offered nothing other than 3000+ posts of vitriol and self righteous bollocks.
If I have any axe to grind it's with those who are bigot's claiming that others are wrong because they personally have an opinion in conflict with another's with nothing more than name calling to back it up.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
This expansion is even making even the biggest egos quit. It's funny.
As I see it though being in the DPS League doesn't qualify you as the best players in the game, far from it. It's the same principle of that stupid statement last night someone made about there being a number one player in the game, that we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
I would like to say my team mates are the top ground fighters, but I don't need to go around bragging about it and neither do they, we just enjoy the fact we take on the challenges and win them.
So you'll forgive me if I find the idea of the DPS people championing themselves as being the sole ones in the position to solve the current issues as a bit unsettling, because I wouldn't trust you guys with ground content.
Just to finish, I do realise there are more issues than the ground and space content, xp rewards and upgrade costs for example, I just don't like the idea of one single group trying to set it right.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
As I see it though being in the DPS League doesn't qualify you as the best players in the game, far from it. It's the same principle of that stupid statement last night someone made about there being a number one player in the game, that we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
I would like to say my team mates are the top ground fighters, but I don't need to go around bragging about it and neither do they, we just enjoy the fact we take on the challenges and win them.
So you'll forgive me if I find the idea of the DPS people championing themselves as being the sole ones in the position to solve the current issues as a bit unsettling, because I wouldn't trust you guys with ground content.
Just to finish, I do realise there are more issues than the ground and space content, xp rewards and upgrade costs for example, I just don't like the idea of one single group trying to set it right.
I'm pretty sure any group of players is trying to leverage their influence to change things in this patch.
A lot of people get the sense that DR is going to kill the game. I tend to agree with them.
I'm pretty sure any group of players is trying to leverage their influence to change things in this patch.
A lot of people get the sense that DR is going to kill the game. I tend to agree with them.
I agree with that sentiment, maybe what I should have worded it as is perhaps we ought to try being more united over the issue instead of trying to champion one group or the other. I'm not saying any group shouldn't have a say, I just don't like one claiming they solely have the answer.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
I'm pretty sure any group of players is trying to leverage their influence to change things in this patch.
A lot of people get the sense that DR is going to kill the game. I tend to agree with them.
Agreed, the DPS League may not be the best representatives would could possibly have, but if there chosen I'll be happy for 2 reasons:
1. If they can show the Devs how to build a max DPS ship, they can certainly show them what the rest of use and the differences between them.
2. The group that's representing us now...suxs.
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1267031
OPs latest weapon.
I shudder to think how much all that cost.
Actually, a lot of players do care - the vast majority want to improve, and DPS Channels have aided countless players to improve.
If your God is as powerful as you say he is, and far more significantly he says he is, he doesn't need you to defend him.
Ladies roll eyes and leave me for some reason when I talk to them in reality and if I talk to them about my awesome DPS in my startrek online ship.
Sorry had to write it but certainly I do admire your dedication
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
And I actually agree with you on this point, clearly there was something wrong with Tau Dewa patrols, mobs 10 levels below you (if you were 60) giving you almost equivalent xp to mobs equal level to you.
That obviously isn't right.
But for my part, I was no where near Tau Dewa, I stayed in the Delta Quadrant, did just about all of the missions on elite, which got me to experience the story as it appears in the journal.
After I hit level cap, I was in patrols, doing what I was told to do by the game and on elite.
Was it easy for me? Heck no? Did it feel like I was gaining too much xp? Heck no Was I clearing patrols in 10 mins time? Heck no
But somehow I was swept into this spec point wipe along with others that didn't partake in the TD exploit.
Did I play just about all day everyday since expac release? Yep
Should I have been punished because I didn't meet some magic number set by some guy that doesn't even play the game? Heck no!
Solo I was clearing the Argala patrol on elite in about 30-45 mins, depending on which enemy appeared in there. In a group of similar players it was a little faster maybe somewhere around 20-35 mins.
That to me is not an exploit by any means. Did I max out my spec trees? I wish! I lost somewhere around 14 spec points thanks to this wipe. Not to mention the dil buying kit modules I can no longer use since I don't have the points anymore.
Did Cryptic handle this situation correctly? Not in the slightest
I felt their attitude was one of finger-pointing instead of placing the blame squarely where it's due, on their shoulders.
But honestly, if someone spent more time in game than even I did, and found a quicker way to max out their trees, you know what, I really don't care, it's their point of view to play like that.
Should people have had their spec points wiped with such a broad stroke, I honestly don't feel that was the best answer. And here's the reason why, of course I can grind those 14 spec points out, but there is something I can never get back that is very important to me, and that's my time.
Frankly, I thought I was playing the game as intended, higher difficultly, has always meant greater reward no matter what MMO you play, and I was doing it in the newest content against mobs that were even level to me.
Improve? What? I have.. you missed it. Google this fleet, really anyone can swoop in as a fleet and say 'Wow listen I can help your game and your employees' Yeah.. PWE will listen to that..
Jesus. No wonder the DPS is out of this world.
3 words: Wallet bend over...
Still, 50k is massively pushing the limits of what is currently possible for a Fed character, 30k is far more reasonable - search for 30k Rom Plasma Avengers for a build like the one the guy actually asked for.
I guess you didn't know that changing the difficulty was considered exploiting. :rolleyes:
No, I was unaware till Mr. D'Angelo pointed it out to me. My bad for thinking the game had difficulty sliders for a reason. Silly me!
But honestly, once I heard people were having so much trouble getting to level 51, and I got there from doing the patrols that are part of the mission, I just figured, I guess the devs wanted us to play on elite. Boy was I wrong.
Entirely separate issue - there was an actual exploit going on, side by side with the levelling in the patrols, it wasn't just a total blaming it all on players fest. Still blaming their problems on players, just not quite as bad as it looked as it happened.
Of course I know it's a separate issue, but based on the EP's post with anyone that was over 10 spec points, got hit. At this point, they all seem to blend together.
And again, that magic number of 10 is also wrong, I know people that only had 6-7 spec points post level 60 that still got brought down to a base of 10.
Yes, they definitely still need to sort it out - a lot of people have been messed up by it. The OP lost 40 or 50 levels equivalent, part of why they made the thread was because EP suggested anyone with more was exploiting the exploit and not just DPS monstering their way up.
I didn't lose anything, but that was because I figured DR would be bugged to frak on launch...
The guy has a monster high DPS, that he either attained through effort or spent crazy cash on, which is exactly what the Devs want. He then tries to make his case to the Devs, that he played this game legit and is now being punished for being too efficient, and you people swoop down on him because it hurts your pride, or whatever.
He didn't whine, didn't brag, didn't troll. And certainly didn't bother me or any of you, except those that decide making high performance a capital crime because you don't have it.
(ok, so he bragged a little, i still don't see the problem given the context)
All of my builds are online and open to anyone:
Here is my main DPS boat: although it is still a work in progress, I was able to do 67k (before Expansion and with all mk xii gear):
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=therakez_2843
Other builds:
My 2-man No Win boat: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=2mannwsboat_2843
My Main No Win Boat: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=nicornws_2843
DPS Channels / League Info (STO Forums)
The difficulty now is so broken, that I just laughed my TRIBBLE off and quit the game. If DPS people who completely wreck the numbers of newbie players have trouble with this ****, I'm done.
I don't know how they expect this game to be accessible to the majority of people if their content can't be blown through by THE TOP DPS PLAYERS.
It's mind boggling.
No, not really, working as intended.
Grind yoru eyeballs out or purchase zen, convert zen to dil, play upgrade roulette with your gear.
Majority of people are only relevant in relation of how much they spend in cold hard cash.
And then they come to the realization that their gear won't help them and they just spent 10000$ USD to get all gold gear and everything upgraded to max.
Then they quit the game and the devs are 10k richer! It's sickening.
And yet if you use Tribble you can build and test out an all Epic boat at no cost apart from time...
To use a metaphor :
A good student gets good grades , and should feel proud (but should also have the humility to keep that pride in check / to himself ).
A bad student may get good grades , but then he makes an TRIBBLE of himself by going over to the headmasters office and offering to teach him how to run his curriculum (based on his grades) .
The second person is you , sarcasmdetector .
Apparently advising other players is no longer enough for you ... .
... league of DPS ... -- wow ... , could't bring yourself to call yourself a "legend" yet ? Don't worry ... you will ... :rolleyes:
I'm not saying the OP has that as a calling card, but I know a few people who do. It really wouldn't be hard to fix up the balance, however with their spaghetti code it might break a few things along the way, but it would result in a restructuring that would benefit the Dev's and the Players equally.
Hell I can think of multiple ways to balance the new gear, STF's, PvE and PvP along with keeping things pleasantly rewarding for the avg player. It's not rocket science, but it includes a lot of numbers and a bit of economics...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
You guys clearly don't know what big ego's are...
^^ +1
This expansion is even making even the biggest egos quit. It's funny.
So you claim the OP is a snob then bring your idea of faith into the discussion taking offence to an offhand, very flippant comment that was very clearly designed for amusement.
Not to mention that you said I can't read. Funny, you think you have any point? So far I've just seen you whine about someone else, ignore reasoned arguments against yours, then finally play the Religion card to try to validate your bigotry.
TBH you are coming across as "a total stuck up arrogant snob elitist," to quote your claim, when so far you have offered nothing other than 3000+ posts of vitriol and self righteous bollocks.
If I have any axe to grind it's with those who are bigot's claiming that others are wrong because they personally have an opinion in conflict with another's with nothing more than name calling to back it up.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
As I see it though being in the DPS League doesn't qualify you as the best players in the game, far from it. It's the same principle of that stupid statement last night someone made about there being a number one player in the game, that we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
I would like to say my team mates are the top ground fighters, but I don't need to go around bragging about it and neither do they, we just enjoy the fact we take on the challenges and win them.
So you'll forgive me if I find the idea of the DPS people championing themselves as being the sole ones in the position to solve the current issues as a bit unsettling, because I wouldn't trust you guys with ground content.
Just to finish, I do realise there are more issues than the ground and space content, xp rewards and upgrade costs for example, I just don't like the idea of one single group trying to set it right.
I'm pretty sure any group of players is trying to leverage their influence to change things in this patch.
A lot of people get the sense that DR is going to kill the game. I tend to agree with them.
I agree with that sentiment, maybe what I should have worded it as is perhaps we ought to try being more united over the issue instead of trying to champion one group or the other. I'm not saying any group shouldn't have a say, I just don't like one claiming they solely have the answer.
Agreed, the DPS League may not be the best representatives would could possibly have, but if there chosen I'll be happy for 2 reasons:
1. If they can show the Devs how to build a max DPS ship, they can certainly show them what the rest of use and the differences between them.
2. The group that's representing us now...suxs.
Would you recommend STO to a friend?