1. having something to level in
2. unlocking secondary skins
3. getting universal consoles to use on other ships
4. flying official, real star trek ships:
5. (roleplaying)
NONE of that applies to t6 at all, not even the ships designs that are now fake.
And to not worry about the tier problems being repeated in the near future "because it will take 4 years" is equally wrong and hilarious.
The 2 main things they are testing on you are, will people buy fake ships and will they accept ship locked boffs?
Both of which are going to be repeated in the very near future exactly like crafting's paywall is now being repeated into the upgrading.
Problem being it's less for more. For example in LoR, where you got 8 free ships for free, that were entirely free, ALL ships were given free animations.
With this new t6 blockage they are asking, will you accept us only adding new animations to the most expensive items INDIVIDUALLY from here on out?
Boff abilities should of course stay what they have been up to this point, usable by everyone
Just like there should be free ships given away thinking about them 8 free ships in LoR - especially for LTS'ers
Everytime you accept these things without thinking you effectively lower the game for everyone.
I'm tired of responding to your repeated broken logic in full, so I will summarise (on my mobile, so bare with me) :
# Delta Rising = Free Expansion and new quadrant
# LoR free ships because Romulans
# LoR free ships = low tier
# Where the **** did you get animations on all of them? Besides the Scimitar 3 set, and the Haapax/Haakona when it separates, I have not seen one animation - please provide examples (and don't even try to suggest singularity abilities as these are not unique to each ship)
# Free ships once does not mean free ships always - we get a whole quadrant in Delta Rising instead
# Fake ships? Newsflash, Star Trek is fake!
# Changes to mechanics require more than 'opening notepad'
You might be right that the roleplayers can just pretend they aren't in a fake ship
If I were evil I would say: It takes roleplay to pretend that these new ships are fake.
I recently realised that people (like me) who prefere the classic Star Trek designs just drew an arbitrary line one day and said the other side is fake. Same phenomenon as "JJ Trek", really.
You might be right that the roleplayers can just pretend they aren't in a fake ship
If you are a role player surely you'd realise how daft it is to be in these older ships? It's 2410, not 2379, time has moved on and new ships have been developed. Some older ships will certainly still be in service, but over time they'll be phased out.
Surely the big immersion breaker should be the fact people are travelling around in ships around 200 years old (there were certainly old ships in service, but never that old, so they must have been reintroduced at some point since 2379), not that there have been new ships developed in the past few years?
Because $60.00 a year in free stuff is not enough for people? Seriously?
I paid $240.00 for my LTS. I have gotten 34 Stipends at this point for $170.00 worth of free C-Store items. In 14 more months I will have gotten an equal amount of Stipend to what I paid for my LTS. Every month after that Cryptic will be paying me to play rather then me ever paying them. The 500 is more then enough.
What, you don't feel entitled? Shame on you! What kind of socialist are you, anyway? :eek:
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Aren't most rom and Klingon ships non canon? And several federation ones aren't either. Personally my definition of canomn would include those but most people wouldn't.
If you buy a Galaxy Class Retrofit, you have the Venture skin and the Galaxy skin. THe Venture skin is not canon.
Worse, you can combine parts of the Galaxy skin with the Venture skin, all leading to a non-canon ship.
A far higher percentage of s hips in this game is non-canon than canon.
And for me, as a roleplayer, I am more interested in making my own character, and that includes my own ship. That means non-canon designs. I write my own story.
I am surprised so many roleplayers are different. I mean, if you play a D&D Wizard, do you always pretend to be Gandalf or Elminster?
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Of course, I'd take a free Upgrade Token for being a Veteran or Lifetime Subscriber or just being an awesome person. Doesn't really matter. I would also take a free Tier 6 ships.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
One of the main reasons people may be expecting a "free ship"
Back on t5 they stated t4 ships would perform fine in t5 content , (yup they work but the difference is clear) , So now will f2p (new ones possibly attracted by the hype) be expected to do t6 content in ships that generally struggle in t5? (as they wont have had the chance to do the events needed to get the free ships etc)
Aren't most rom and Klingon ships non canon? And several federation ones aren't either. Personally my definition of canomn would include those but most people wouldn't.
my idea of canon would be anything that appears in star trek in any form be it series movies or games. so all in game ships are canon.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Good players will be able to do the new content in T4 ships ive done cse kse n ise in T3 ship team ok we all outfited them with mk xii fleet rep stuff. Player skill knowing the mission accounts for more than you think.
I bet with in the 1st month u get a call to nerf the new missions because players are not wolilling to learn what skills work best. But with in 2-3 mths players will be ko the new missions just like we do with the elite content that pays out decent amount of dill.
Craptic need to earn money be selling guess what ships they is not going to be free T6 ships at lest to the winter event n then im not 100% sure it might just end up been a new T5U ship.
As for cannon ships i think any that are on tv or films are plus any that are in a series of books e,g vesta. To me any thing supported by CBS or paramount are cannon so that includes comics as well.
Cryptic themselves have said they run out of real star trek ships, and because it's cheaper they going to make ships themselves that aren't connected to lore or IP in any shape, way or form...
THEN I come in and say oh that's why they so desperately wants people to buy t6 ships have have ignored everything else in the expansion, zero animations etc. etc.
Which I'd call a qualified opinion albeit still just an opinion (that I haven't heard any points being made against so far)
HOWEVER the first part that ships in STO moving forward will generally be fake - most not but not all, is a fact less contested than gravity.
It's there and it's happening period.
Will some roleplayers accept the fake ships probably but exactly how much less fake does that make the ships. Exactly zero.
Roleplayers aren't in question, the fake ships are and me personally, MY theory is, the desperation - the reason LoR had 8 free ships and free animations for free, that were free, and this expansion seems pitiful, cheap and desperate, IS this here crucial turning point where it all comes down accepting the fake ships or not.
Look at it like this.
There were 4x365 days where they COULD have introduced t6. It didn't happen until the very moment we now using fake ships, and the compensation for the fake design is better stats.
1/1460 chance it magically happened to occur now.
Multiply that with zero animations for anything but t6 - in comparision to everything given away for free in LoR, and in my opinion it's a pretty solid theory.
And it's not really that provocative or controversial is it?
I am just saying they badly need people to accept their fake ship designs? Well yeah same as they have needed people to accept everything else they have made right.
It's kind of implied and self-explainatory...
Ships are now fake + cryptic needs people to buy them anyway
Cryptic themselves have said they run out of real star trek ships, and because it's cheaper they going to make ships themselves that aren't connected to lore or IP in any shape, way or form...
Can you post a link to this? I've seen this being passed around the boards as gospel and yet I can't find anyone that said they ran out of canon ships and from now on they will all be new ones.
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And for me, as a roleplayer, I am more interested in making my own character, and that includes my own ship. That means non-canon designs. I write my own story.
I am surprised so many roleplayers are different. I mean, if you play a D&D Wizard, do you always pretend to be Gandalf or Elminster?
I thought I was the only one. I have one character I role play on and that's a character from the TOS era that an accident happened and trapped his ship and crew in the STO present. I geared him and his crew in TOS gear and then went from 1-50 playing the content in the TOS Connie....which got destroyed in the last FE that saw ESD get destroyed so Star Fleet gave him an Oddy named after his destroyed ship.
When I play as this character I am not Kirk, though I emulate his style. I am not Picard or Sisko or Janeway.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Al rivera went over it in one of the podcasts, either priority one or stoked, explaining in detail why fake ships are cheaper and easier to make.
Overall having to pay royalities and what not is money they'd rather keep...
More for them, less for you kind of thing.
Unfortunately you can't skip at smaller intervals so I'd have to listen through I don't know 10-20 hours of streaming and I generally hate those so yeah.
But if you need a direct quote that badly it's from one of those 2 podcasts, it's said by al rivera at some point between now and the beginning of summer
I wouldn't call myself a fan of anything, I said before fan is short for fanatic and ryhmes with addict, it has connotations of school girls with braces and posters of horses on the wall, but I'd still like real star trek ships in my game, thank you.
Is it unconvenient and costs cryptic money? Well, wtf happened to "we take the IP very seriously and protect it"
And this is because the current Elites are not the challenge they once were... The current difficulty will become the Advanced mode in Delta Rising, while a new level of difficulty will be introduced and the title Elite will be given to them...
If what Cryptic have said is true, only the most competent players will have the capability to complete the new revamped Elites, only time will tell on this for sure...
Though, I would not presume that everyone will be doing them come Delta Rising by any stretch...
Less competent players will be wanting T5U/T6s to make life easier in advanced/easy modes.
Less competent players will be wanting T5U/T6s to make life easier in advanced/easy modes.
Sure. That is the whole point of marketing. Cryptic's goal is not for people to not buy the ships.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Less competent players will be wanting T5U/T6s to make life easier in advanced/easy modes.
Yes, but the intent is that they should not need those ships... Want yes, need no...
If they're struggling so badly they feel they need a T5U or T6 to complete episodes etc, then it's unlikely it will actually get them very far as the problem is not their ship itself...
Most cannon ships are in game if you can find more then 3 ships that have been on tv/films then please post about them.
I am a star trek fan that flys the heavy cruiser fleet refit. I love my ship but it wont be long before my fed eng wonts to try a new cannon ship. But the only one left is the gal n it is a load of TRIBBLE going by sto players.
Most cannon ships are in game if you can find more then 3 ships that have been on tv/films then please post about them.
I am a star trek fan that flys the heavy cruiser fleet refit. I love my ship but it wont be long before my fed eng wonts to try a new cannon ship. But the only one is the gal n it is a load of TRIBBLE going by sto players.
If you want to fly the Galaxy, fly the Galaxy. I know several players that swear by the thing and say it makes a great ship. It's not going to be the king of the DPS heap, so if that's what you're looking for better go for the Fleet Defiant, but the Galaxy and especially the Fleet Galaxy is a perfectly functional and serviceable ship for both solo and group play though it is about as close as the game gets to a traditional "tank" from the old Tank/DPS/Support triad.
I don't expect anything for LTS from delta launch. In the future when we get t6 fleet ships... at that point I could possibly see LTS geting one token per character for a non fleet ship.
If I remember right don't you currently get to grab a t5 non fleet ship once per character? Its not an account unlock but just the ship for that character. I think my rom got the regular t'varo that way.
Vested the issue of these T6 ships not being canomn is literally not a factor at all only hardcore RP's like I assume you are actually give a damn about the. Half the ships in game aren't canon and people fly them and buy them anyway.
what is star trek canon?
I see a lot of talk about canon ships and canon this and canon that but what does something have to do to become canon.
I guess the answer is mostly of personal view, many would say its not canon if it wasn't in the original series, others might say only if it featured in a tv episode where more others might also include the movies.
is my way of thinking any more right or wrong then any of the above, being a long time star trek fan to me a canon item is anything that has featured in any episode live or animated, movie, comic(sorry graphic novel), book or game.
if its been in star trek in any incarnation and I even include fan fiction or episode, it automatically becomes part of the phenomenon that is star trek and is there for canon.
I also include star trek memorabilia such as tea shirts, belt buckles, posters, art work, jewellery, watches ect ect ect.
ill probably be flamed left right and centre but this is how I feel and believe.
to me my sterling silver star trek united federation of planets ring is just as canon and means just as much to me as kirk himself.
according to wiki anything that is canon is what Gene Roddenberry said was canon but as he is long since departed I guess its as much to do with what you consider it to be yourself.
is star trek: enterprise any less canon just because Gene Roddenberry wasn't there to declare it so.
to me the phoenix from first contact is just as much an iconic ship as the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
IF Cryptic ever extends the vendor-ships (for lack of a better term) to T6 then yes, I would think LTS would get a free ship. I don't foresee this happening anytime soon.
I could see the non-intel T6 ships becoming the 'base' T6 ships at some point when the C-store starts having T6.5 ships essentially.
But honestly, I don't think Cryptic would ever bother doing it. F2P players puttering around in ships 2 levels below max just means they have more reason to buy a T6 at some point.
I don't expect anything for LTS from delta launch. In the future when we get t6 fleet ships... at that point I could possibly see LTS geting one token per character for a non fleet ship.
If I remember right don't you currently get to grab a t5 non fleet ship once per character? Its not an account unlock but just the ship for that character. I think my rom got the regular t'varo that way.
The current 600-day veteran reward is a "VA ship token" that can be used on a few of the level 50 ships (the ones that cost 2000 Zen, with the exception of the Ar'kif). And you are correct, it is a one-time claim for that character and not an actual store purchase that unlocks the ship for your account.
I can easily see them adding a level 60 "FA token" as a 1500-day or so vet reward. However, they won't do that for at least 6 months to a year once all the early adopters have bought the ships they want and sales of the then-old T6s are slowing.
The current 600-day veteran reward is a "VA ship token" that can be used on a few of the level 50 ships (the ones that cost 2000 Zen, with the exception of the Ar'kif). And you are correct, it is a one-time claim for that character and not an actual store purchase that unlocks the ship for your account.
I can easily see them adding a level 60 "FA token" as a 1500-day or so vet reward. However, they won't do that for at least 6 months to a year once all the early adopters have bought the ships they want and sales of the then-old T6s are slowing.
they have already said in the past, veteran rewards will never exceed 1000 days as new subscribers would find it hard to get their head around subscribing to or playing anything beyond that amount so any new rewards that were added would be included at some point within the 1000 day threshold, like the recent addition of the EV suit.
as you already get the T5 vet ship at 1000 days this makes it highly unlikely they would add a tier 6 ship to vet rewards.
they also said that vet rewards had to be given in 100 day blocks to be tempting so if they added a 1500 day reward they would have to add 1100,1200,1300 & 1400 rewards as well.
plus as you say yourself that would be unlikely for at least 6 months to another year, then new subscriber's would have to subscribe for at least 1000 days (nearly 3 years) or 1500 days (over 4 years) on top of that, I should think by that time we will be looking at getting T7 if not T8 ships coming out.
therefore not much of an added incentive to start subscribing.
the only people this would likely benefit would be current long term subscribers (i.e at least 700 days) and lifers.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Al rivera went over it in one of the podcasts, either priority one or stoked, explaining in detail why fake ships are cheaper and easier to make.
You didn't understand him.
He was not talking about canon ships. He was talking about "fake" (as you call them) ships from other games and material. Everythnig that was not in the TV shows or movies is non-canon. They have a license for that, and making them is not a problem. But there aren't many left.
He was talking about ships like the Vesta. It's not from the shows, it was made for a book cover by Mr. Rademaker. They managed to contact him and come to an agreement, and this was an easy case, since both parties were interested in doing this. (Yet it still took months to finalize the deal.)
But something from Startrek Armada? Something from the "Ship of the Line" calendar? That's much more difficult. And it's also not canon material. These ships are just as "fake" as most other Startrek Online ships.
You are certainly correct that there are financial reasons* for creating a new tier of ships.
They want people to buy them, at the full price. Just something like 500 Zen for a fleet refit or a Tier 5 Upgrade version aross the board, won't cut it. But try telling someone that bought a Defiant Retrofit that he has to pay it at the original price (or more) again to get a Tier 6 verson?
That won't work. So you provide additional incentives - new design, new game mechanics, more power.
So they went with the Tier 5 Upgrade + new Tier 6 ships system. They figure lots will jump on Tier 6 ships, and they can still appease t those that want t fly their old canon ships.
*) Not only those, but also those.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
He was not talking about canon ships. He was talking about "fake" (as you call them) ships from other games and material. Everythnig that was not in the TV shows or movies is non-canon. They have a license for that, and making them is not a problem. But there aren't many left.
He was talking about ships like the Vesta. It's not from the shows, it was made for a book cover by Mr. Rademaker. They managed to contact him and come to an agreement, and this was an easy case, since both parties were interested in doing this. (Yet it still took months to finalize the deal.)
But something from Startrek Armada? Something from the "Ship of the Line" calendar? That's much more difficult. And it's also not canon material. These ships are just as "fake" as most other Startrek Online ships.
You are certainly correct that there are financial reasons* for creating a new tier of ships.
They want people to buy them, at the full price. Just something like 500 Zen for a fleet refit or a Tier 5 Upgrade version aross the board, won't cut it. But try telling someone that bought a Defiant Retrofit that he has to pay it at the original price (or more) again to get a Tier 6 verson?
That won't work. So you provide additional incentives - new design, new game mechanics, more power.
So they went with the Tier 5 Upgrade + new Tier 6 ships system. They figure lots will jump on Tier 6 ships, and they can still appease t those that want t fly their old canon ships.
*) Not only those, but also those.
Something I find quite amusing, certain forum users constantly harp on about LoR providing a number of free, low tier, vessels and they then, in another post within the same thread, complain about 'fake' vessels...
The greatest irony in all this is that the free vessels given in LoR, which this forum poster was using to justify free ships in Delta Rising, were all non-canon, with the exception of the TOS & Enterprise Warbirds and the D'Dex, since they were featured in various series...
At the end of the day, there are but a handful of 'canon' ships in all of Star Trek, and most of those are just kitbashed from spare parts...
Given that STO is set almost 40 years after the Voyager series, it only makes sense that Cryptic would be designing new vessels, and since those new vessels would all be approved by CBS, they are as close to being canon as we're likely to ever see...
It amuses me that people think that just because they subscribe or are a LTS they should somehow get more free stuff. I am a LTS and have been since the beginning and payed $250 plus $60 for the digital deluxe edition of the game. The version I bought did not come with playable borg but I was still happy with my purchase. Then they added the playable Borg and I went into convulsions over the addition. I have seen this game go from barely any content to more than I can play in the time I have to spend in a game. I just leveled up my first Klingon that took me the entire 4 years plus to achieve because I did not have the patience to do so before, plus 200% xp was a huge help. I spent a couple hours in the Dyson Sphere battlezone and earned my cap of dilithium. I have a little over 12000 Zen that I have been hording, all from the stipend. I will exchange it occasionally for dilithium, buy a lockbox key, or a duty officer pack.
My point is, as LTS I have gotten plenty of freebies over the years and if it is not enough than I will just buy more from the cstore. I have not spent more than $20, and that was once before PWE took over on some cpoints until now. I just wanted everything in the Delta pack so I bought one. Anyway, I have played all this time without needing one thing from the Cstore or anything extra that was above and beyond what I had already gotten for just being a LTS. I have been winning in this game without paying. I apologize if any of this is a little incoherent. I am pretty tired just felt the need after reading a lot of the posts in this thread to share my story.
I'm a lifetime member, and I don't think we should get a free t6 ship. We get 500 zen a month, plus a bunch of other things for what we paid. There's no reason we should get anything else. That would put us too far ahead too quickly.
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I'm tired of responding to your repeated broken logic in full, so I will summarise (on my mobile, so bare with me) :
# Delta Rising = Free Expansion and new quadrant
# LoR free ships because Romulans
# LoR free ships = low tier
# Where the **** did you get animations on all of them? Besides the Scimitar 3 set, and the Haapax/Haakona when it separates, I have not seen one animation - please provide examples (and don't even try to suggest singularity abilities as these are not unique to each ship)
# Free ships once does not mean free ships always - we get a whole quadrant in Delta Rising instead
# Fake ships? Newsflash, Star Trek is fake!
# Changes to mechanics require more than 'opening notepad'
# Your entitlement keeps showing
If I were evil I would say: It takes roleplay to pretend that these new ships are fake.
I recently realised that people (like me) who prefere the classic Star Trek designs just drew an arbitrary line one day and said the other side is fake. Same phenomenon as "JJ Trek", really.
If you are a role player surely you'd realise how daft it is to be in these older ships? It's 2410, not 2379, time has moved on and new ships have been developed. Some older ships will certainly still be in service, but over time they'll be phased out.
Surely the big immersion breaker should be the fact people are travelling around in ships around 200 years old (there were certainly old ships in service, but never that old, so they must have been reintroduced at some point since 2379), not that there have been new ships developed in the past few years?
What, you don't feel entitled? Shame on you! What kind of socialist are you, anyway? :eek:
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Aren't most rom and Klingon ships non canon? And several federation ones aren't either. Personally my definition of canomn would include those but most people wouldn't.
It's actually far more.
If you buy a Galaxy Class Retrofit, you have the Venture skin and the Galaxy skin. THe Venture skin is not canon.
Worse, you can combine parts of the Galaxy skin with the Venture skin, all leading to a non-canon ship.
A far higher percentage of s hips in this game is non-canon than canon.
And for me, as a roleplayer, I am more interested in making my own character, and that includes my own ship. That means non-canon designs. I write my own story.
I am surprised so many roleplayers are different. I mean, if you play a D&D Wizard, do you always pretend to be Gandalf or Elminster?
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Of course, I'd take a free Upgrade Token for being a Veteran or Lifetime Subscriber or just being an awesome person. Doesn't really matter. I would also take a free Tier 6 ships.
Back on t5 they stated t4 ships would perform fine in t5 content , (yup they work but the difference is clear) , So now will f2p (new ones possibly attracted by the hype) be expected to do t6 content in ships that generally struggle in t5? (as they wont have had the chance to do the events needed to get the free ships etc)
my idea of canon would be anything that appears in star trek in any form be it series movies or games. so all in game ships are canon.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I bet with in the 1st month u get a call to nerf the new missions because players are not wolilling to learn what skills work best. But with in 2-3 mths players will be ko the new missions just like we do with the elite content that pays out decent amount of dill.
Craptic need to earn money be selling guess what ships they is not going to be free T6 ships at lest to the winter event n then im not 100% sure it might just end up been a new T5U ship.
As for cannon ships i think any that are on tv or films are plus any that are in a series of books e,g vesta. To me any thing supported by CBS or paramount are cannon so that includes comics as well.
Cryptic themselves have said they run out of real star trek ships, and because it's cheaper they going to make ships themselves that aren't connected to lore or IP in any shape, way or form...
THEN I come in and say oh that's why they so desperately wants people to buy t6 ships have have ignored everything else in the expansion, zero animations etc. etc.
Which I'd call a qualified opinion albeit still just an opinion (that I haven't heard any points being made against so far)
HOWEVER the first part that ships in STO moving forward will generally be fake - most not but not all, is a fact less contested than gravity.
It's there and it's happening period.
Will some roleplayers accept the fake ships probably but exactly how much less fake does that make the ships. Exactly zero.
Roleplayers aren't in question, the fake ships are and me personally, MY theory is, the desperation - the reason LoR had 8 free ships and free animations for free, that were free, and this expansion seems pitiful, cheap and desperate, IS this here crucial turning point where it all comes down accepting the fake ships or not.
Look at it like this.
There were 4x365 days where they COULD have introduced t6. It didn't happen until the very moment we now using fake ships, and the compensation for the fake design is better stats.
1/1460 chance it magically happened to occur now.
Multiply that with zero animations for anything but t6 - in comparision to everything given away for free in LoR, and in my opinion it's a pretty solid theory.
And it's not really that provocative or controversial is it?
I am just saying they badly need people to accept their fake ship designs? Well yeah same as they have needed people to accept everything else they have made right.
It's kind of implied and self-explainatory...
Ships are now fake + cryptic needs people to buy them anyway
Can you post a link to this? I've seen this being passed around the boards as gospel and yet I can't find anyone that said they ran out of canon ships and from now on they will all be new ones.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I thought I was the only one. I have one character I role play on and that's a character from the TOS era that an accident happened and trapped his ship and crew in the STO present. I geared him and his crew in TOS gear and then went from 1-50 playing the content in the TOS Connie....which got destroyed in the last FE that saw ESD get destroyed so Star Fleet gave him an Oddy named after his destroyed ship.
When I play as this character I am not Kirk, though I emulate his style. I am not Picard or Sisko or Janeway.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Overall having to pay royalities and what not is money they'd rather keep...
More for them, less for you kind of thing.
Unfortunately you can't skip at smaller intervals so I'd have to listen through I don't know 10-20 hours of streaming and I generally hate those so yeah.
But if you need a direct quote that badly it's from one of those 2 podcasts, it's said by al rivera at some point between now and the beginning of summer
I wouldn't call myself a fan of anything, I said before fan is short for fanatic and ryhmes with addict, it has connotations of school girls with braces and posters of horses on the wall, but I'd still like real star trek ships in my game, thank you.
Is it unconvenient and costs cryptic money? Well, wtf happened to "we take the IP very seriously and protect it"
Less competent players will be wanting T5U/T6s to make life easier in advanced/easy modes.
Yes, but the intent is that they should not need those ships... Want yes, need no...
If they're struggling so badly they feel they need a T5U or T6 to complete episodes etc, then it's unlikely it will actually get them very far as the problem is not their ship itself...
He's definitely quite narrow minded and determined that his beliefs are correct enough, despite ample reason to the contrary, to probably qualify...
I am a star trek fan that flys the heavy cruiser fleet refit. I love my ship but it wont be long before my fed eng wonts to try a new cannon ship. But the only one left is the gal n it is a load of TRIBBLE going by sto players.
If you want to fly the Galaxy, fly the Galaxy. I know several players that swear by the thing and say it makes a great ship. It's not going to be the king of the DPS heap, so if that's what you're looking for better go for the Fleet Defiant, but the Galaxy and especially the Fleet Galaxy is a perfectly functional and serviceable ship for both solo and group play though it is about as close as the game gets to a traditional "tank" from the old Tank/DPS/Support triad.
If I remember right don't you currently get to grab a t5 non fleet ship once per character? Its not an account unlock but just the ship for that character. I think my rom got the regular t'varo that way.
what is star trek canon?
I see a lot of talk about canon ships and canon this and canon that but what does something have to do to become canon.
I guess the answer is mostly of personal view, many would say its not canon if it wasn't in the original series, others might say only if it featured in a tv episode where more others might also include the movies.
is my way of thinking any more right or wrong then any of the above, being a long time star trek fan to me a canon item is anything that has featured in any episode live or animated, movie, comic(sorry graphic novel), book or game.
if its been in star trek in any incarnation and I even include fan fiction or episode, it automatically becomes part of the phenomenon that is star trek and is there for canon.
I also include star trek memorabilia such as tea shirts, belt buckles, posters, art work, jewellery, watches ect ect ect.
ill probably be flamed left right and centre but this is how I feel and believe.
to me my sterling silver star trek united federation of planets ring is just as canon and means just as much to me as kirk himself.
according to wiki anything that is canon is what Gene Roddenberry said was canon but as he is long since departed I guess its as much to do with what you consider it to be yourself.
is star trek: enterprise any less canon just because Gene Roddenberry wasn't there to declare it so.
to me the phoenix from first contact is just as much an iconic ship as the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I could see the non-intel T6 ships becoming the 'base' T6 ships at some point when the C-store starts having T6.5 ships essentially.
But honestly, I don't think Cryptic would ever bother doing it. F2P players puttering around in ships 2 levels below max just means they have more reason to buy a T6 at some point.
The current 600-day veteran reward is a "VA ship token" that can be used on a few of the level 50 ships (the ones that cost 2000 Zen, with the exception of the Ar'kif). And you are correct, it is a one-time claim for that character and not an actual store purchase that unlocks the ship for your account.
I can easily see them adding a level 60 "FA token" as a 1500-day or so vet reward. However, they won't do that for at least 6 months to a year once all the early adopters have bought the ships they want and sales of the then-old T6s are slowing.
they have already said in the past, veteran rewards will never exceed 1000 days as new subscribers would find it hard to get their head around subscribing to or playing anything beyond that amount so any new rewards that were added would be included at some point within the 1000 day threshold, like the recent addition of the EV suit.
as you already get the T5 vet ship at 1000 days this makes it highly unlikely they would add a tier 6 ship to vet rewards.
they also said that vet rewards had to be given in 100 day blocks to be tempting so if they added a 1500 day reward they would have to add 1100,1200,1300 & 1400 rewards as well.
plus as you say yourself that would be unlikely for at least 6 months to another year, then new subscriber's would have to subscribe for at least 1000 days (nearly 3 years) or 1500 days (over 4 years) on top of that, I should think by that time we will be looking at getting T7 if not T8 ships coming out.
therefore not much of an added incentive to start subscribing.
the only people this would likely benefit would be current long term subscribers (i.e at least 700 days) and lifers.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You didn't understand him.
He was not talking about canon ships. He was talking about "fake" (as you call them) ships from other games and material. Everythnig that was not in the TV shows or movies is non-canon. They have a license for that, and making them is not a problem. But there aren't many left.
He was talking about ships like the Vesta. It's not from the shows, it was made for a book cover by Mr. Rademaker. They managed to contact him and come to an agreement, and this was an easy case, since both parties were interested in doing this. (Yet it still took months to finalize the deal.)
But something from Startrek Armada? Something from the "Ship of the Line" calendar? That's much more difficult. And it's also not canon material. These ships are just as "fake" as most other Startrek Online ships.
You are certainly correct that there are financial reasons* for creating a new tier of ships.
They want people to buy them, at the full price. Just something like 500 Zen for a fleet refit or a Tier 5 Upgrade version aross the board, won't cut it. But try telling someone that bought a Defiant Retrofit that he has to pay it at the original price (or more) again to get a Tier 6 verson?
That won't work. So you provide additional incentives - new design, new game mechanics, more power.
So they went with the Tier 5 Upgrade + new Tier 6 ships system. They figure lots will jump on Tier 6 ships, and they can still appease t those that want t fly their old canon ships.
*) Not only those, but also those.
Something I find quite amusing, certain forum users constantly harp on about LoR providing a number of free, low tier, vessels and they then, in another post within the same thread, complain about 'fake' vessels...
The greatest irony in all this is that the free vessels given in LoR, which this forum poster was using to justify free ships in Delta Rising, were all non-canon, with the exception of the TOS & Enterprise Warbirds and the D'Dex, since they were featured in various series...
At the end of the day, there are but a handful of 'canon' ships in all of Star Trek, and most of those are just kitbashed from spare parts...
Given that STO is set almost 40 years after the Voyager series, it only makes sense that Cryptic would be designing new vessels, and since those new vessels would all be approved by CBS, they are as close to being canon as we're likely to ever see...
My point is, as LTS I have gotten plenty of freebies over the years and if it is not enough than I will just buy more from the cstore. I have not spent more than $20, and that was once before PWE took over on some cpoints until now. I just wanted everything in the Delta pack so I bought one. Anyway, I have played all this time without needing one thing from the Cstore or anything extra that was above and beyond what I had already gotten for just being a LTS. I have been winning in this game without paying. I apologize if any of this is a little incoherent. I am pretty tired just felt the need after reading a lot of the posts in this thread to share my story.