One of the perks of LTS was getting the 1000 day vet ship and a free T5 which both now become kind of unattractive. While it might not make to much sense to update this because of those who already bought LTS in the past, it makes definitly sense to upgrade this so new people keep buying it.
Edit: I hope they reintroduce Fleet T5 ships as Fleet T6 (new ship new purchase)
One of the perks of LTS was getting the 1000 day vet ship and a free T5 which both now become kind of unattractive. While it might not make to much sense to update this because of those who already bought LTS in the past, it makes definitly sense to upgrade this so new people keep buying it.
Edit: I hope they reintroduce Fleet T5 ships as Fleet T6 (new ship new purchase)
problem is as we have already discussed any rewards would be given within the 1000 day time frame, it would be a bit pointless giving the 1000 day vet ship at the same time or after giving a T6 ship so if they did give the T6 ship they would have to give it at the 1000 day mark and at least have to move the 1000 day vet ship to the 900 day slot so then it would not be a 1000 day vet ship any more just a free subscriber only ship.
I really think if they had any intention of giving a T6 ship to 1000 day subscribers and lifers they would have upgraded the 1000 day vet ship to T6 status to save time a trouble.
as they are only upgrading it to T5u status this leads me to believe there will be no T6 ship for 1000 day subscribers and lifers.
they could have also made the vet ship exempt from upgrade like they have with some other T5 ships so I am just greatful I can upgrade it at all.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
problem is as we have already discussed any rewards would be given within the 1000 day time frame, it would be a bit pointless giving the 1000 day vet ship at the same time or after giving a T6 ship so if they did give the T6 ship they would have to give it at the 1000 day mark and at least have to move the 1000 day vet ship to the 900 day slot so then it would not be a 1000 day vet ship any more just a free subscriber only ship.
I really think if they had any intention of giving a T6 ship to 1000 day subscribers and lifers they would have upgraded the 1000 day vet ship to T6 status to save time a trouble.
as they are only upgrading it to T5u status this leads me to believe there will be no T6 ship for 1000 day subscribers and lifers.
I personally see no ploblem in adding more 1000 day rewards. I would think most people who get 1000 these days are through LTS, so it doesn't mattar anyway.
But my point was that part of the attraction of LTS were the free ships which are now quite unattractive to new subscribers.
While T6 seemed to be a grab for money in the first place they made lots of items like c-store T5 and LTS less attractive for new players and this could backfire. So my guess is they'll use Fleet T6 or something else to give those items value again down the road.
I had a list of 15k+ zen of things to buy, which imploded to something between 0 and 5k with DR.
I personally see no ploblem in adding more 1000 day rewards. I would think most people who get 1000 these days are through LTS, so it doesn't mattar anyway.
But my point was that part of the attraction of LTS were the free ships which are now quite unattractive to new subscribers.
While T6 seemed to be a grab for money in the first place they made lots of items like c-store T5 and LTS less attractive for new players and this could backfire. So my guess is they'll use Fleet T6 or something else to give those items value again down the road.
I had a list of 15k+ zen of things to buy, which imploded to something between 0 and 5k with DR.
I dare say they will add other free items to the rewards from time to time, whether one of them will ever be a T6 ship is another matter, they may add some T5 upgrade tokens or some ultra rare infinite level weapons or consoles they might even make them all part of a special 3 or 4 part weapons & console sets for subscribers and lifers only.
there are many things they could add to make the package more attractive without ever giving a T6 ship.
indeed what about all the T5 C-store ships who is going to want to buy them then have to pay an upgrade fee for T5u on top when they could just as easy buy a T6 ship but are they giving C-store ships a free T5u upgrade no they are not.
so if they are not worried about C-store T5 ships what makes you think they will worry about subscribers.
all they will care about for the next year or two is selling as many T6 ships as possible and getting a lot of cant waiters buying lots of dilithium on the exchange.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
That's because you are refusing to take into consideration the length of time it takes monthly subscribers to earn vet rewards or how much more expensive it is to get them as a monthly subscriber.
You are also choosing to ignore that every LTS is a financial drain on the companies profits. The odds that any random lifer is going to turn into a whale whose spending habits offset his LTS status is slim to none.
It's far more likely a lifer will turn into a Dil grinder and rely on other people giving him zen they purchased rather than spend his own money.
oi, that's not very fair, I was a Dil grinder and relied on other people giving me zen they purchased rather than spend my own money long before I went lifer.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking Dil grinders. Just objectively pointing out the company wants to make money off of every customer as regularly as possible so as far as LTS's are concerned they have little incentive to encourage people to become lifers.
The biggest problem games face is getting people to open their wallets on a continual basis. Every purchase that unlocks something permanently closes an avenue to profit permanently. And that forces them to add things that nickel and dime us.
It's a balancing act. On one hand we want to spend as little as possible, on the other hand they want to stay in business.
no, I quite agree with you as I have been saying all along, why would they give us all a free T6 ship if they can get us to maybe buy one instead.
I mean I am as happy to take free stuff as the next man and if I thought there was slightly more then a snowballs chance in hell that they would give us a free one I would be jumping for joy right now, but I live in the real world and haven't got my mind lodged in cloud cuckoo land.
maybe in a couple of years just before they announce T7 ships we might all get a free one for the summer or winter event but until then they will be strictly in the domain of the C-store.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
That's because you are refusing to take into consideration the length of time it takes monthly subscribers to earn vet rewards or how much more expensive it is to get them as a monthly subscriber.
You are also choosing to ignore that every LTS is a financial drain on the companies profits. The odds that any random lifer is going to turn into a whale whose spending habits offset his LTS status is slim to none.
It's far more likely a lifer will turn into a Dil grinder and rely on other people giving him zen they purchased rather than spend his own money.
It's true that I didn't think that there would be many monthly subscribers left.
But I'm quite sure that there are no LTS who would turn into whales without LTS. There are LTS who are whales anyway, but thats something different.
The lifer would turn into a Dil grinder anyway, even without LTS if he wasn't a whale from the start.
And let be honest, while 6000 zen a year is nice, it's not enough if cryptic manages to release two interesting ship packs a year.
It's true that I didn't think that there would be many monthly subscribers left.
But I'm quite sure that there are no LTS who would turn into whales without LTS. There are LTS who are whales anyway, but thats something different.
The lifer would turn into a Dil grinder anyway, even without LTS if he wasn't a whale from the start.
And let be honest, while 6000 zen a year is nice, it's not enough if cryptic manages to release two interesting ship packs a year.
so why haven't they announced this marvellous T6 gift to get people coughing up the dosh on subs or LTS already?
I mean if I was cryptic and was even considering giving this as an added incentive in the next few months I would have made sure everyone knew about it from the start just to get the money rolling in.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
so why haven't they announced this marvellous T6 gift to get people coughing up the dosh on subs or LTS already?
I mean if I was cryptic and was even considering giving this as an added incentive in the next few months I would have made sure everyone knew about it from the start just to get the money rolling in.
To be honest I'm at a loss at whome T6 was aimed at. It would have made more sense to release T5-U without it.
I don't know cryptics business numbers, but normaly F2P is sponsored by whales and new players that wan't to buy themselves a headstart once or twice.
Whales would have also bought their new shiny as T5.
For new players it made the purchase less interesting.
-LTS only gives you "obsolete" ships (according to the forums)
-before, you had 4 years of no new ship tier's so people kind of expected that a newly bought ship is a stable investment. Now cryptic showed that this isn't true and reminded you that your investment can suddenly become worthless.
For new players it made the purchase less interesting.
-LTS only gives you "obsolete" ships (according to the forums)
-before, you had 4 years of no new ship tier's so people kind of expected that a newly bought ship is a stable investment. Now cryptic showed that this isn't true and reminded you that your investment can suddenly become worthless.
The Fleet Chimera, Upgraded to T5U is a monster of a ship with its 5 Tactical Counsels.
And no one ever thought their ship was a stable investment. Fleet ships proved that over 2 years ago; and we have known then Level Cap increase was coming for nearly 2 years.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
To be honest I'm at a loss at whome T6 was aimed at. It would have made more sense to release T5-U without it.
I don't know cryptics business numbers, but normaly F2P is sponsored by whales and new players that wan't to buy themselves a headstart once or twice.
Whales would have also bought their new shiny as T5.
For new players it made the purchase less interesting.
-LTS only gives you "obsolete" ships (according to the forums)
-before, you had 4 years of no new ship tier's so people kind of expected that a newly bought ship is a stable investment. Now cryptic showed that this isn't true and reminded you that your investment can suddenly become worthless.
indeed even the T6 in a few years could be usurped by T7 and then T7 could be outdone by T8 and on, and on.
so does that mean for each new tier cryptic are going to bundle in the latest one for lifetimers and 1000 day subbers to stay desirable, if so we are going to end up with a heck of a lot of ships in this package.
this is why I could understand it if they made the 1000 day ship automatically tier up to the latest level but I cant for the life of me see them giving us a free ship just cos there is a new tier.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
The Fleet Chimera, Upgraded to T5U is a monster of a ship with its 5 Tactical Counsels.
And no one ever thought their ship was a stable investment. Fleet ships proved that over 2 years ago; and we have known then Level Cap increase was coming for nearly 2 years.
Oh yes, why do you think plenty of people cried DOOM when DR was announced. After 4 years without a new tier, many people expected it will stay this way. Thats just natural customer behaviour, nothing mysterious.
As I said, it would have made more sense to me to release T5-U without T6 and perhaps call T5-U T6
Oh yes, why do you think everyone cried DOOM when DR was announced. After 4 years without a new tier, many people expected it will stay this way. Thats just natural customer behaviour.
I do not remember "everyone" crying DOOM. 50 people on a forum, or even 100 people on a forum, are not everyone. And I also see plenty of people happy to see new Content and new challenges. Nice try, though.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
indeed even the T6 in a few years could be usurped by T7 and then T7 could be outdone by T8 and on, and on.
so does that mean for each new tier cryptic are going to bundle in the latest one for lifetimers and 1000 day subbers to stay desirable, if so we are going to end up with a heck of a lot of ships in this package.
Of with at most 2 are not low tier. But I would expect that Cryptic turns those into leveling rewards over time. But actually the possibility of T7 is one of the reasons why I don't understand the introduction of T6.
T6 only realy make sense if criptic expects the servers to go dark either way within the next two years.
I do not remember "everyone" crying DOOM. 50 people on a forum, or even 100 people on a forum, are not everyone. And I also see plenty of people happy to see new Content and new challenges. Nice try, though.
I love your signature thecosmic1...so true...so true
I do not remember "everyone" crying DOOM. 50 people on a forum, or even 100 people on a forum, are not everyone. And I also see plenty of people happy to see new Content and new challenges. Nice try, though.
Ok, in this case my statement should be correct if I replace everyone with plenty
Ok, in this case my statement should be correct if I replace everyone with plenty
Plenty of people cry DOOM when Cryptic adds a new Rep System. Plenty of people cry DOOM when Cryptic removes something from the game - like Tour or CE. Plenty of people cry DOOM when Cryptic announces a new Lockbox, etc.
The point is there will always be a percentage of the fan-base which hates something being done at any moment. And that does not even take into account the posters who have stated they do not play the game any more and are simply posting because misery loves company and they want people to feel as miserable as they do.
In the grand scheme of things many MMOs have Level Cap increases and Expansion Packs - especially when they are coming up on 5 years. Most MMO players expect to pay something for that material. That is not a shock to anyone; and the people who have been here awhile have seen the long-term plans laid-out before them. We have know the increase to 60 was coming for 2 years. Some of us are wondering why it took them that long.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Of with at most 2 are not low tier. But I would expect that Cryptic turns those into leveling rewards over time. But actually the possibility of T7 is one of the reasons why I don't understand the introduction of T6.
T6 only realy make sense if criptic expects the servers to go dark either way within the next two years.
indeed again I can see them giving the 1000 vet ship a continuous upgrade pattern to be just below the top level ships so when they bring T7 they will upgrade it to T6u and so on but I still cant see them giving us a top level ship for T6, T7 and onwards.
the same may well apply to all the other free upgrade ships out there.
anyhoo, I have dusted off all my T5 ships I had in cold storage so when DR pops I will have a nice lot of ships I can upgrade for free, I may buy the DR pack if it goes to the C-store I will see how I feel at the time and how I am doing with my armada of T5u`s.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I love your signature thecosmic1...so true...so true
Thanks! I keep thinking about changing it, but it so far it is just too true to change.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
indeed again I can see them giving the 1000 vet ship a continuous upgrade pattern to be just below the top level ships so when they bring T7 they will upgrade it to T6u and so on but I still cant see them giving us a top level ship for T6, T7 and onwards.
While the VA token ship wasn't a Top T5 ship the 1000 days vet ship was. I would seem sensible to keep it attractive for new players and at leaste release a Fleet T6 version of it.
While the VA token ship wasn't a Top T5 ship the 1000 days vet ship was. I would seem sensible to keep it attractive for new players and at leaste release a Fleet T6 version of it.
that just brings us back to my previous point far better to upgrade the current ship to T6 then keep giving out new 1000 day ships each time they bring in a new ship tier if they were going to do that.
and my other point, why have they not released this information yet to get people subbing or buying LTSubs.
and for that matter why bother giving the current 1000 day ships a free T5u upgrade if they are going to give us all T6 ships anyway?
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
that just brings us back to my previous point far better to upgrade the current ship to T6 then keep giving out new 1000 day ships each time they bring in a new ship tier if they were going to do that.
and my other point, why have they not released this information yet to get people subbing or buying LTSubs.
and for that matter why bother giving the current 1000 day ships a free T5u upgrade if they are going to give us all T6 ships anyway?
Because Fleet T6 isn't released? And why would they have to release a new 1000 day ship to enable the vets to buy a T6 Fleet version instead of the T5 version we have now?
And I'm not saying that I expect them to do so, I just think it would make sense to keep LTS more interesting for new players who want to buy themselves a headstart and some quality of life improvements.
Because Fleet T6 isn't released? And why would they have to release a new 1000 day ship to enable the vets to buy a T6 Fleet version instead of the T5 version we have now?
And I'm not saying that I expect them to do so, I just think it would make sense to keep LTS more interesting for new players who want to buy themselves a headstart and some quality of life improvements.
so your logic is they release all information regarding DR to get people buying the DR ship pack and stocking up on zen but fail to mention the fact they are giving 1000 day subbers and lifetimers a T6 fleet ship so they can get people subscribing or maybe buying a lifetime sub just cos it not quite ready yet and they are not actually giving us a T6 fleet ship but we have to buy the T6 fleet version anyway so it not actually a reward if we have to buy it just another T6 ship we have to buy.
as a way of making LTS more interesting for newbs that makes no sence whatsoever.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
so your logic is they release all information regarding DR to get people buying the DR ship pack and stocking up on zen but fail to mention the fact they are giving 1000 day subbers and lifetimers a T6 fleet ship so they can get people subscribing or maybe buying a lifetime sub just cos it not quite ready yet and they are not actually giving us a T6 fleet ship but we have to buy the T6 fleet version anyway so it not actually a reward if we have to buy it just another T6 ship we have to buy.
as a way of making LTS more interesting for newbs that makes no sence whatsoever.
Last time I checked you had to buy the Fleet T5 variant too. It costs only one module and is only avilable to 1000 day vets, so it wouldn't be that revolutionary.
And I didn't say they failed to mention anything because to me it doesn't seem like they really thought this T6 T5-U mess through. I just expressed my hope that they'll find a solution to keep LTS attractive
Last time I checked you had to buy the Fleet T5 variant too. It costs only one module and is only avilable to 1000 day vets, so it wouldn't be that revolutionary.
And I didn't say they failed to mention anything because to me it doesn't seem like they really thought this T6 T5-U mess through. I just expressed my hope that they'll find a solution to keep LTS attractive
but that's not much of an incentive to new buyers is it, sure when it was a T5 ship that was top dog, yes you got a free T5 ship that you could pay to upgrade to a fleet T5 if you wanted no problem sure that's a good incentive, but now we have T6 they don't give you a T6 ship only the option to buy a T6 fleet ship, so why should I go LTS just so I can buy that T6 fleet ship, why not just stay FTP and just buy one of the other T6 fleet ships that are bound to come out.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
but that's not much of an incentive to new buyers is it, sure when it was a T5 ship that was top dog, yes you got a free T5 ship that you could pay to upgrade to a fleet T5 if you wanted no problem sure that's a good incentive, but now we have T6 they don't give you a T6 ship only the option to buy a T6 fleet ship, so why should I go LTS just so I can buy that T6 fleet ship, why not just stay FTP and just buy one of the other T6 fleet ships that are bound to come out.
Because someone might want the other 99% of the perks? If you are willing to pay $200 for one ship (whether it be t5 or t6) , you are doing it wrong
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Hahahahaha!
You guys are mean around here. That's why I love you all!
That is where my free ship coming from. It's like paying them with their own money. :P
Edit: I hope they reintroduce Fleet T5 ships as Fleet T6 (new ship new purchase)
problem is as we have already discussed any rewards would be given within the 1000 day time frame, it would be a bit pointless giving the 1000 day vet ship at the same time or after giving a T6 ship so if they did give the T6 ship they would have to give it at the 1000 day mark and at least have to move the 1000 day vet ship to the 900 day slot so then it would not be a 1000 day vet ship any more just a free subscriber only ship.
I really think if they had any intention of giving a T6 ship to 1000 day subscribers and lifers they would have upgraded the 1000 day vet ship to T6 status to save time a trouble.
as they are only upgrading it to T5u status this leads me to believe there will be no T6 ship for 1000 day subscribers and lifers.
they could have also made the vet ship exempt from upgrade like they have with some other T5 ships so I am just greatful I can upgrade it at all.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I personally see no ploblem in adding more 1000 day rewards. I would think most people who get 1000 these days are through LTS, so it doesn't mattar anyway.
But my point was that part of the attraction of LTS were the free ships which are now quite unattractive to new subscribers.
While T6 seemed to be a grab for money in the first place they made lots of items like c-store T5 and LTS less attractive for new players and this could backfire. So my guess is they'll use Fleet T6 or something else to give those items value again down the road.
I had a list of 15k+ zen of things to buy, which imploded to something between 0 and 5k with DR.
I dare say they will add other free items to the rewards from time to time, whether one of them will ever be a T6 ship is another matter, they may add some T5 upgrade tokens or some ultra rare infinite level weapons or consoles they might even make them all part of a special 3 or 4 part weapons & console sets for subscribers and lifers only.
there are many things they could add to make the package more attractive without ever giving a T6 ship.
indeed what about all the T5 C-store ships who is going to want to buy them then have to pay an upgrade fee for T5u on top when they could just as easy buy a T6 ship but are they giving C-store ships a free T5u upgrade no they are not.
so if they are not worried about C-store T5 ships what makes you think they will worry about subscribers.
all they will care about for the next year or two is selling as many T6 ships as possible and getting a lot of cant waiters buying lots of dilithium on the exchange.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
oi, that's not very fair, I was a Dil grinder and relied on other people giving me zen they purchased rather than spend my own money long before I went lifer.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
no, I quite agree with you as I have been saying all along, why would they give us all a free T6 ship if they can get us to maybe buy one instead.
I mean I am as happy to take free stuff as the next man and if I thought there was slightly more then a snowballs chance in hell that they would give us a free one I would be jumping for joy right now, but I live in the real world and haven't got my mind lodged in cloud cuckoo land.
maybe in a couple of years just before they announce T7 ships we might all get a free one for the summer or winter event but until then they will be strictly in the domain of the C-store.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It's true that I didn't think that there would be many monthly subscribers left.
But I'm quite sure that there are no LTS who would turn into whales without LTS. There are LTS who are whales anyway, but thats something different.
The lifer would turn into a Dil grinder anyway, even without LTS if he wasn't a whale from the start.
And let be honest, while 6000 zen a year is nice, it's not enough if cryptic manages to release two interesting ship packs a year.
so why haven't they announced this marvellous T6 gift to get people coughing up the dosh on subs or LTS already?
I mean if I was cryptic and was even considering giving this as an added incentive in the next few months I would have made sure everyone knew about it from the start just to get the money rolling in.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
To be honest I'm at a loss at whome T6 was aimed at. It would have made more sense to release T5-U without it.
I don't know cryptics business numbers, but normaly F2P is sponsored by whales and new players that wan't to buy themselves a headstart once or twice.
Whales would have also bought their new shiny as T5.
For new players it made the purchase less interesting.
-LTS only gives you "obsolete" ships (according to the forums)
-before, you had 4 years of no new ship tier's so people kind of expected that a newly bought ship is a stable investment. Now cryptic showed that this isn't true and reminded you that your investment can suddenly become worthless.
And no one ever thought their ship was a stable investment. Fleet ships proved that over 2 years ago; and we have known then Level Cap increase was coming for nearly 2 years.
indeed even the T6 in a few years could be usurped by T7 and then T7 could be outdone by T8 and on, and on.
so does that mean for each new tier cryptic are going to bundle in the latest one for lifetimers and 1000 day subbers to stay desirable, if so we are going to end up with a heck of a lot of ships in this package.
this is why I could understand it if they made the 1000 day ship automatically tier up to the latest level but I cant for the life of me see them giving us a free ship just cos there is a new tier.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Oh yes, why do you think plenty of people cried DOOM when DR was announced. After 4 years without a new tier, many people expected it will stay this way. Thats just natural customer behaviour, nothing mysterious.
As I said, it would have made more sense to me to release T5-U without T6 and perhaps call T5-U T6
Of with at most 2 are not low tier. But I would expect that Cryptic turns those into leveling rewards over time. But actually the possibility of T7 is one of the reasons why I don't understand the introduction of T6.
T6 only realy make sense if criptic expects the servers to go dark either way within the next two years.
I love your signature thecosmic1...so true...so true
Ok, in this case my statement should be correct if I replace everyone with plenty
The point is there will always be a percentage of the fan-base which hates something being done at any moment. And that does not even take into account the posters who have stated they do not play the game any more and are simply posting because misery loves company and they want people to feel as miserable as they do.
In the grand scheme of things many MMOs have Level Cap increases and Expansion Packs - especially when they are coming up on 5 years. Most MMO players expect to pay something for that material. That is not a shock to anyone; and the people who have been here awhile have seen the long-term plans laid-out before them. We have know the increase to 60 was coming for 2 years. Some of us are wondering why it took them that long.
indeed again I can see them giving the 1000 vet ship a continuous upgrade pattern to be just below the top level ships so when they bring T7 they will upgrade it to T6u and so on but I still cant see them giving us a top level ship for T6, T7 and onwards.
the same may well apply to all the other free upgrade ships out there.
anyhoo, I have dusted off all my T5 ships I had in cold storage so when DR pops I will have a nice lot of ships I can upgrade for free, I may buy the DR pack if it goes to the C-store I will see how I feel at the time and how I am doing with my armada of T5u`s.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
While the VA token ship wasn't a Top T5 ship the 1000 days vet ship was. I would seem sensible to keep it attractive for new players and at leaste release a Fleet T6 version of it.
that just brings us back to my previous point far better to upgrade the current ship to T6 then keep giving out new 1000 day ships each time they bring in a new ship tier if they were going to do that.
and my other point, why have they not released this information yet to get people subbing or buying LTSubs.
and for that matter why bother giving the current 1000 day ships a free T5u upgrade if they are going to give us all T6 ships anyway?
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Because Fleet T6 isn't released? And why would they have to release a new 1000 day ship to enable the vets to buy a T6 Fleet version instead of the T5 version we have now?
And I'm not saying that I expect them to do so, I just think it would make sense to keep LTS more interesting for new players who want to buy themselves a headstart and some quality of life improvements.
so your logic is they release all information regarding DR to get people buying the DR ship pack and stocking up on zen but fail to mention the fact they are giving 1000 day subbers and lifetimers a T6 fleet ship so they can get people subscribing or maybe buying a lifetime sub just cos it not quite ready yet and they are not actually giving us a T6 fleet ship but we have to buy the T6 fleet version anyway so it not actually a reward if we have to buy it just another T6 ship we have to buy.
as a way of making LTS more interesting for newbs that makes no sence whatsoever.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Last time I checked you had to buy the Fleet T5 variant too. It costs only one module and is only avilable to 1000 day vets, so it wouldn't be that revolutionary.
And I didn't say they failed to mention anything because to me it doesn't seem like they really thought this T6 T5-U mess through. I just expressed my hope that they'll find a solution to keep LTS attractive
but that's not much of an incentive to new buyers is it, sure when it was a T5 ship that was top dog, yes you got a free T5 ship that you could pay to upgrade to a fleet T5 if you wanted no problem sure that's a good incentive, but now we have T6 they don't give you a T6 ship only the option to buy a T6 fleet ship, so why should I go LTS just so I can buy that T6 fleet ship, why not just stay FTP and just buy one of the other T6 fleet ships that are bound to come out.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Because someone might want the other 99% of the perks? If you are willing to pay $200 for one ship (whether it be t5 or t6) , you are doing it wrong
so that's the big difference that this wonderful T6 fleet ship is going to make to the incentive for LTS 1%, get real.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.