Well. it would ONLY be the feds that have it, so it's okay.
As the war is over, who cares? At this point PvP is all nothing but wargames, anyway.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This is almost as bad as the Endgame Connie threads.
And since we're going into T6 ships, I'm now identifying T5 Connie threads as Endgame Connie threads because its the same thing, wanting a viable Connie at Endgame.
Feds did not need cloaks before. They do not need cloaks now. If they insist that they must have one, then they can go hijack a bird of prey.
Why a BoP when there are so many better ships their Romulan allies can give them? Heck, the Feds might be building those Romulan ships for their allies in the Fed shipyards.
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This is almost as bad as the Endgame Connie threads.
And since we're going into T6 ships, I'm now identifying T5 Connie threads as Endgame Connie threads because its the same thing, wanting a viable Connie at Endgame.
If you're into hijacking ships might as well be a Scim.
The foundation has been set at least to give Federation ships a cloaking device. Of course they cannot hand out Battle Cloaks just at the start. They need to save something for later to sell.
Edited since I'm wasting my breath on this thread.
for me the new incoming fed T6 escourt is let down by one thing... just a normal cloak=meh
after all these years and the fact kdf/rom and fed are in a so called alliance you would think fed techs have the brains to put battle cloaks on there ships.
I think its way over due imo...
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As a Fed Player I say No. I have 6 Fed, 1 KDF and 2 Rom and the last thing I want on my FED ships is a Battle Cloak. I like the Cloak on Roms and KDF but for me there are only three ships on FED side where I accept a cloak.
First on the Defiant cuz it's from DS9. Well I don't use it on my Defiant but It's nice to have it.
second on the Galaxy X with the same reason it's from TNG
and third and last the good old Oberth class Ship. I would kill to have the cloaking from the Pegasus on it cuz I would be so much better that the actual Console.
For me FEDs have many different ships for many different Tasks and Klingons only have a few light but fast Ships with cloak for Hit and Run Tactics and Stronger Ships with much Fire Power. Sadly the last is a little missed on the KDF for me. And a Romulan without a cloaking Device in his ship is not a Romulan.
But really I hope we FED never get a ship with Battle cloak It's sad enough that the factions get more and more the same. And all the cross faction ships make it even worst. The Star Trek feeling is away when the ESD is surrounded with Ferrengi, Tholian, Jem'Hadar and other non Federation ships.
But thats only my opinion so you keep on asking for your Battle cloak and I cross my fingers for never getting one. I think the KDF guys will make the same.
Why a BoP when there are so many better ships their Romulan allies can give them? Heck, the Feds might be building those Romulan ships for their allies in the Fed shipyards.
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Considering almost all power gets shunted to engines at Full Impulse... yea... you'd be shooting super soakers instead of weapons.
Also just a FYI there isn't an escort in the game with battle cloak no matter the faction.
Ummmmm, now Mr Salieri, you know I'll defer to you on matters of fact usually........but I have this little ship on the Romulan side, 4/3 weapons, small and nimble, not just with a battle cloak but an enhanced one.
I guess it all depends on how you define escort, but it seems pretty escorty to me.
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for me the new incoming fed T6 escourt is let down by one thing... just a normal cloak=meh
after all these years and the fact kdf/rom and fed are in a so called alliance you would think fed techs have the brains to put battle cloaks on there ships.
I think its way over due imo...
Nova
Why not remove the "normal" cloak completely and replace it with battle cloaks. The whole concept of not being able to activate a cloak while under red alert is bollocks.
As it is the Klingons have the most vessels with regular cloaks and thus they would gain the most from this change and a little love for the KDF is not a bad thing.
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a warbird isn't an escort any more than a destroyer is an escort
"Warbird" is a generic term, it covers everything from the fast n' nimble, to the slow moving behemoth. Some warbirds fit the escort roles, just as some federation starships fit the escort roles. It's not equivalent to the terms "destroyer", "Escort", "battleship" or "Cruiser"..... A "warbird" could be any of those. It's a bird-ish thing with an enhanced battlecloak and a singularity core, whatever its role, size and maneuverability is.
This is almost as bad as the Endgame Connie threads.
And since we're going into T6 ships, I'm now identifying T5 Connie threads as Endgame Connie threads because its the same thing, wanting a viable Connie at Endgame.
Pls don't forget those who will request a T6 Tactical Cube with battle cloak..WITH interiors!
The phasing cloaking device, was an experimental technology developed by a secret group in Starfleet Security in the 2350s.
In 2368, the Romulans were experimenting with an interphase generator, a device combining a molecular phase inverter and a cloaking device to create an interphase cloak.
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I don't. No. And I fly one of the Federation ships that DOES get a cloak at all. I think that Federation cloaking should be restricted to the ships that currently have it, and should be taken from the avenger since there's no cannon source for it having it.
That being said, the ships that DO have it, should have Battle Cloak, but NOT Enhanced Battle Cloak.
My opinion, YMMV.
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There will be those who will insist that Feds need Battle Cloaks until the day the game servers go dark.
And, IMO, they will still be mistaken.
I have zero problem with the idea that Feds get few cloaks and the ones they do get have limitations.
I've been blown up too many times in my KDF ships to cling to the illusion that cloaking is easy or optimal in combat. Decloaking is great when you can get away with it. Recloaking in range of an enemy is usually a bad thing.
And I accept that cloaking is a Klingon/Romulan distinction that adds flavor to the game and that there are trade-offs involved. Especially for Battle Cloak. And EBC Torpedo Boats are often more trouble than they're worth, unless you know how to build one.
The best counter to a cloaked ship is a Fed cruiser built to laugh at alpha strikes, and a Fed science vessel that catches them with their shields down. Then the Fed escorts can finish them off, if they manage to survive those two.
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You sure about that?
Eclipse:
Hull Strength: 40,425 (at level 50) and 49,000 (at level 60)
Shield Modifier: 1
Base Turn Rate: 10 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
Qib:
Hull Strength: 41,250 (at level 50) and 50,000 (at level 60)
Shield Modifier: 1
Base Turn Rate: 11 degrees per second
Battle Cloaking Device
...almost seems there like your shields aren't effected and you get bonus hull for having one, some added turn rate too... sweet deal.
Yup both ideas (BC and connie) are horrible.
If you're into hijacking ships might as well be a Scim.
Edited since I'm wasting my breath on this thread.
As a Fed Player I say No. I have 6 Fed, 1 KDF and 2 Rom and the last thing I want on my FED ships is a Battle Cloak. I like the Cloak on Roms and KDF but for me there are only three ships on FED side where I accept a cloak.
First on the Defiant cuz it's from DS9. Well I don't use it on my Defiant but It's nice to have it.
second on the Galaxy X with the same reason it's from TNG
and third and last the good old Oberth class Ship. I would kill to have the cloaking from the Pegasus on it cuz I would be so much better that the actual Console.
For me FEDs have many different ships for many different Tasks and Klingons only have a few light but fast Ships with cloak for Hit and Run Tactics and Stronger Ships with much Fire Power. Sadly the last is a little missed on the KDF for me. And a Romulan without a cloaking Device in his ship is not a Romulan.
But really I hope we FED never get a ship with Battle cloak It's sad enough that the factions get more and more the same. And all the cross faction ships make it even worst. The Star Trek feeling is away when the ESD is surrounded with Ferrengi, Tholian, Jem'Hadar and other non Federation ships.
But thats only my opinion so you keep on asking for your Battle cloak and I cross my fingers for never getting one. I think the KDF guys will make the same.
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Nope.
Feds are the least good at cloaks, Romulans the best and KDF inbetween.
Feds have the best selection of ships, Romulans the least and KDF inbetween.
Game balance is not served by simply giving everyone everything they want, whenever they want it.
Want a battle cloak? Play KDF.
Want an enhanced battle cloak? Play Romulan.
I think you are forgetting the phase cloak.
Ummmmm, now Mr Salieri, you know I'll defer to you on matters of fact usually........but I have this little ship on the Romulan side, 4/3 weapons, small and nimble, not just with a battle cloak but an enhanced one.
I guess it all depends on how you define escort, but it seems pretty escorty to me.
Well, it did have that spectaculary successful trial.......
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Why not remove the "normal" cloak completely and replace it with battle cloaks. The whole concept of not being able to activate a cloak while under red alert is bollocks.
As it is the Klingons have the most vessels with regular cloaks and thus they would gain the most from this change and a little love for the KDF is not a bad thing.
Yeah, but its a bit of a semantic argument.
Saying a Tvaro isnt an escort, just because it has a singularity core rather than a M/AM core, is a bit hair splitty.
And, if followed literally, means the Romulans not only have no escorts, they also have no cruisers or science ships. All they have is warbirds.
Or, we can follow the original intent and just sit with 4/4=cruiser, 3/3= science and 4/3= escort.
"Warbird" is a generic term, it covers everything from the fast n' nimble, to the slow moving behemoth. Some warbirds fit the escort roles, just as some federation starships fit the escort roles. It's not equivalent to the terms "destroyer", "Escort", "battleship" or "Cruiser"..... A "warbird" could be any of those. It's a bird-ish thing with an enhanced battlecloak and a singularity core, whatever its role, size and maneuverability is.
Pls don't forget those who will request a T6 Tactical Cube with battle cloak..WITH interiors!
sorry..I am off topic:P
Tactical Cubes already have interiors, don't they? But giving them battle cloaks would be cool.
The V'Gers ought to get Enhanced Battle Cloaks.
roms did phase cloaks first
and please, God, let these fed cloak threads DIE
In 2368, the Romulans were experimenting with an interphase generator, a device combining a molecular phase inverter and a cloaking device to create an interphase cloak.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That being said, the ships that DO have it, should have Battle Cloak, but NOT Enhanced Battle Cloak.
My opinion, YMMV.
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Talk about a demanding mistress...
And, IMO, they will still be mistaken.
I have zero problem with the idea that Feds get few cloaks and the ones they do get have limitations.
I've been blown up too many times in my KDF ships to cling to the illusion that cloaking is easy or optimal in combat. Decloaking is great when you can get away with it. Recloaking in range of an enemy is usually a bad thing.
And I accept that cloaking is a Klingon/Romulan distinction that adds flavor to the game and that there are trade-offs involved. Especially for Battle Cloak. And EBC Torpedo Boats are often more trouble than they're worth, unless you know how to build one.
The best counter to a cloaked ship is a Fed cruiser built to laugh at alpha strikes, and a Fed science vessel that catches them with their shields down. Then the Fed escorts can finish them off, if they manage to survive those two.
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Got a cloak, want a battle cloak, then an enhanced battle cloak, then a phasing battle cloak.
Yep so now they should just propose phasing Battle cloaks for all that way pvp can be nenr-nenr can't touch me. :rolleyes: :eek: :P