Edit: This sounded way to combative against those who are critical of the OPs idea. I didn't mean to sound like I was picking a fight. So I'll just leave it with this:
To the OP:
Sounds like something interesting and genuinely different to play. I hope you're successful in getting it created; I look forward to giving it a play. I'd offer to help, but I can barely put 4 walls and an NPC contact on a map.
Good luck!
Thank you for the T6 Galaxy Class. - I support Tovan Khev. - Please bring back the exploration missions.
the OP roleplaying as the outer space equivalent of a Holocaust denier.
Which is fascinating in itself, isn't it? It is illogical to defend a fictional genocide to this extent and it doesn't seem entirely consistent with trolling. It goes beyond the satirical, so perhaps this is metaphorical? I'd love to get a psychological profile on this guy. What are the motivations behind pushing this specific agenda? I doesn't really aide any contemporary, identifiable, agenda and I don't really know anyone to push RP against non-RPers to such at extent. Either he is a genius with an otherwise hidden agenda, or just a rather lonely and disturbed teenager with nothing better to do.
And yes, to those people saying we shouldn't feed the threat, but hey I find this interesting. Perhaps we're asking the wrong question?
Repetitiveepic, why not make the mission yourself?
Which is fascinating in itself, isn't it? It is illogical to defend a fictional genocide to this extent and it doesn't seem entirely consistent with trolling. It goes beyond the satirical, so perhaps this is metaphorical? I'd love to get a psychological profile on this guy. What are the motivations behind pushing this specific agenda? I doesn't really aide any contemporary, identifiable, agenda and I don't really know anyone to push RP against non-RPers to such at extent. Either he is a genius with an otherwise hidden agenda, or just a rather lonely and disturbed teenager with nothing better to do.
And yes, to those people saying we shouldn't feed the threat, but hey I find this interesting. Perhaps we're asking the wrong question?
Repetitiveepic, why not make the mission yourself?
Askray is a mod, not a dev. His views are not affiliated with Cryptic.
California state law disagrees. Origin found this out the hard way when they got sued by their own volunteer admins several years ago. State law considered those 'volunteers' to be employees when it came to company responsibility for their actions and when it came to various associated labor laws regarding volunteers. Microsoft and several other companies in california even dropped their own volunteer programs as a direct result of this
The point? He legally represents the company, regardless of what disclaimer he might post, as far as the law is concerned.
Many people have reported it and I understand the reasons.
Actually its pretty clear that you don't. This is not acceptable content, its also a direct violation of the EULA and the TOS, it may even be violate several laws in Europe
This is a game folks and the incident in question IS considered canon with not much to be told about it
So is the operation of Sobibor. By your logic Askray, its as acceptable as if I were to create a time travel mission in which a fed went back in time to Sobibor and helped the SS put down the uprising that took place there, as well as participating in the exterminations that took place there. That is exactly what you are stating - it is exactly the same thing. Do not tell me that is acceptable
but this isn't real life nor is it about any situations based in real life.
Oh yeah? I just explained why it is, and I would like you to try explaining that when someone ends up finding this mission and reporting Cryptic for allowing it. Where exactly do you think they got the inspiration for Cardassian death camps for in the first place?
This is about a fictional place, in a fictional time, in a fictional part of the galaxy. So no, at this point I will not be closing this thread
Yes you will. I will be seeing to that personally, I can assure you.
Nor am I a GM or customer support. If they feel the mission goes to far they're allowed to remove it so is any community manager. My position on this thread is my own, and I've taken action because of it.
You are staff, regardless of what cryptic or you attempt to claim. You may be a volunteer but you represent cryptic and the manner in which you conduct yourself reflects on them
There are limitations to what is allowed in game, and obviously the Terms of Service comes into play. That said, there is an easy way to make a mission that goes into the Gallitep incident without violating ToS
This contest alone violates the TOS because of its content. You are talking about a death camp here. How about you explain just what these 'easy ways' are exactly.
No I wouldn't support it because that's a REAL LIFE SITUATION. Gallitep is not a real life situation
it is entirely BASED on a real life situation. and by your logic it would be acceptable to have a mission about a cardassian TRIBBLE a bajoran. After all, neither cardassians nor bajorans are real and therefore its not a real life situation. That makes it ok, right?
#1. You can't stop someone from posting about wanting a pro-Cardassian mission. But you can choose to not respond to it and let it die naturally.
wtf are you talking about bluegeek?! it isn't a 'pro cardassian mission' it is a mission about a death camp in which the player carries out acts that more than a few SS officers were flat out executed for war crimes for participating in. the fact that it said camp happens to be cardassian has nothing to do with it
That said, I have not read the entire thread and I'm not replying to this thread any further. I will moderate any specific posts that are reported to me for violating forum rules.
specific posts? this entire thread is a blatant violation of the TOS, as is the mission it refers to
Lazarus, are you going to also claim it's illegal for anyone to make a mission where it's revealed that there were no FEMA Death Camps in New Orleans?
Your own pro-Bajoran biases are showing, I'm afraid - we're talking about serious allegations that have been made against the Cardassians, and they deserve the right to a fair hearing. Mere hearsay is insufficient evidence to convict someone of a crime, particularly when it comes from so prejudiced and xenophobic sources as the Bajorans. Especially when the allegations are so serious as this, and they have so much to gain from slandering their Cardassian neighbors.
Remember, Bajorans are shown to consider legitimate firefighting efforts acts of aggression, and respond with deadly force. They will oppose their rescuers tooth and nail, and even Bajoran 'civilians' pack enough firepower to take down a heavily armored and shielded Klingon warrior. You may confirm these facts at your leisure - anyone who's played the game will back me up.
What was seen onscreen - from an objective point of view - further reinforces this perspective. Bajorans are inclined towards random acts of aggression, and justify lethal violence by simply saying "He's a Cardassian. That's reason enough."
Bajorans treat humans, Cardassians, Vulcans, Gorn and Klingons with similar unthinking rage.
I seriously hope you aren't saying that Bajorans are supposed to represent any real-world race or ethnicity, since judging by their portrayal on screen (and in game), I'm sure that would be a hate crime.
Lazarus, are you going to also claim it's illegal for anyone to make a mission where it's revealed that there were no FEMA Death Camps in New Orleans?
Your own pro-Bajoran biases are showing, I'm afraid - we're talking about serious allegations that have been made against the Cardassians, and they deserve the right to a fair hearing. Mere hearsay is insufficient evidence to convict someone of a crime, particularly when it comes from so prejudiced and xenophobic sources as the Bajorans. Especially when the allegations are so serious as this, and they have so much to gain from slandering their Cardassian neighbors.
Remember, Bajorans are shown to consider legitimate firefighting efforts acts of aggression, and respond with deadly force. They will oppose their rescuers tooth and nail, and even Bajoran 'civilians' pack enough firepower to take down a heavily armored and shielded Klingon warrior. You may confirm these facts at your leisure - anyone who's played the game will back me up.
What was seen onscreen - from an objective point of view - further reinforces this perspective. Bajorans are inclined towards random acts of aggression, and justify lethal violence by simply saying "He's a Cardassian. That's reason enough."
Bajorans treat humans, Cardassians, Vulcans, Gorn and Klingons with similar unthinking rage.
I seriously hope you aren't saying that Bajorans are supposed to represent any real-world race or ethnicity, since judging by their portrayal on screen (and in game), I'm sure that would be a hate crime.
" legitimate firefighting efforts acts of aggression, and respond with deadly force"
They are responding to an Undeclared action to "quarantine" suspects, they don't see Undine, they see Innocent civilian's being transported away to undisclosed locations for purposes unknown
Legitimate firefighting my TRIBBLE, the operation is practically illegal, no charges are filed when we " quarantine" suspects, its practically illegal rendition the likes of which are protested against by human rights organisations in the real world
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@repetitiveepic - If you want to hold this competition, that is your right to do so, but I am afraid I will have to shut down any further posts you create to promote this as these discussions are becoming flame bait.
Please refrain from creating any new threads regarding this competition in this forum. This thread will remain visible for applicants to refer to, but this conversation is raising red flag after red flag and the violations of TOS are running rampant in every thread that has been created for this "competition."
For those of you who do not want to particiapte with this challenge, please refrain from exacerbating this situation and do your best to avoid interaction with the OP.
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To the OP:
Sounds like something interesting and genuinely different to play. I hope you're successful in getting it created; I look forward to giving it a play. I'd offer to help, but I can barely put 4 walls and an NPC contact on a map.
Good luck!
Which is fascinating in itself, isn't it? It is illogical to defend a fictional genocide to this extent and it doesn't seem entirely consistent with trolling. It goes beyond the satirical, so perhaps this is metaphorical? I'd love to get a psychological profile on this guy. What are the motivations behind pushing this specific agenda? I doesn't really aide any contemporary, identifiable, agenda and I don't really know anyone to push RP against non-RPers to such at extent. Either he is a genius with an otherwise hidden agenda, or just a rather lonely and disturbed teenager with nothing better to do.
And yes, to those people saying we shouldn't feed the threat, but hey I find this interesting. Perhaps we're asking the wrong question?
Repetitiveepic, why not make the mission yourself?
Is his response.
California state law disagrees. Origin found this out the hard way when they got sued by their own volunteer admins several years ago. State law considered those 'volunteers' to be employees when it came to company responsibility for their actions and when it came to various associated labor laws regarding volunteers. Microsoft and several other companies in california even dropped their own volunteer programs as a direct result of this
The point? He legally represents the company, regardless of what disclaimer he might post, as far as the law is concerned.
Actually its pretty clear that you don't. This is not acceptable content, its also a direct violation of the EULA and the TOS, it may even be violate several laws in Europe
So is the operation of Sobibor. By your logic Askray, its as acceptable as if I were to create a time travel mission in which a fed went back in time to Sobibor and helped the SS put down the uprising that took place there, as well as participating in the exterminations that took place there. That is exactly what you are stating - it is exactly the same thing. Do not tell me that is acceptable
Oh yeah? I just explained why it is, and I would like you to try explaining that when someone ends up finding this mission and reporting Cryptic for allowing it. Where exactly do you think they got the inspiration for Cardassian death camps for in the first place?
Yes you will. I will be seeing to that personally, I can assure you.
You are staff, regardless of what cryptic or you attempt to claim. You may be a volunteer but you represent cryptic and the manner in which you conduct yourself reflects on them
This contest alone violates the TOS because of its content. You are talking about a death camp here. How about you explain just what these 'easy ways' are exactly.
it is entirely BASED on a real life situation. and by your logic it would be acceptable to have a mission about a cardassian TRIBBLE a bajoran. After all, neither cardassians nor bajorans are real and therefore its not a real life situation. That makes it ok, right?
wtf are you talking about bluegeek?! it isn't a 'pro cardassian mission' it is a mission about a death camp in which the player carries out acts that more than a few SS officers were flat out executed for war crimes for participating in. the fact that it said camp happens to be cardassian has nothing to do with it
specific posts? this entire thread is a blatant violation of the TOS, as is the mission it refers to
Your own pro-Bajoran biases are showing, I'm afraid - we're talking about serious allegations that have been made against the Cardassians, and they deserve the right to a fair hearing. Mere hearsay is insufficient evidence to convict someone of a crime, particularly when it comes from so prejudiced and xenophobic sources as the Bajorans. Especially when the allegations are so serious as this, and they have so much to gain from slandering their Cardassian neighbors.
Remember, Bajorans are shown to consider legitimate firefighting efforts acts of aggression, and respond with deadly force. They will oppose their rescuers tooth and nail, and even Bajoran 'civilians' pack enough firepower to take down a heavily armored and shielded Klingon warrior. You may confirm these facts at your leisure - anyone who's played the game will back me up.
What was seen onscreen - from an objective point of view - further reinforces this perspective. Bajorans are inclined towards random acts of aggression, and justify lethal violence by simply saying "He's a Cardassian. That's reason enough."
Bajorans treat humans, Cardassians, Vulcans, Gorn and Klingons with similar unthinking rage.
I seriously hope you aren't saying that Bajorans are supposed to represent any real-world race or ethnicity, since judging by their portrayal on screen (and in game), I'm sure that would be a hate crime.
" legitimate firefighting efforts acts of aggression, and respond with deadly force"
They are responding to an Undeclared action to "quarantine" suspects, they don't see Undine, they see Innocent civilian's being transported away to undisclosed locations for purposes unknown
Legitimate firefighting my TRIBBLE, the operation is practically illegal, no charges are filed when we " quarantine" suspects, its practically illegal rendition the likes of which are protested against by human rights organisations in the real world
@repetitiveepic - If you want to hold this competition, that is your right to do so, but I am afraid I will have to shut down any further posts you create to promote this as these discussions are becoming flame bait.
Please refrain from creating any new threads regarding this competition in this forum. This thread will remain visible for applicants to refer to, but this conversation is raising red flag after red flag and the violations of TOS are running rampant in every thread that has been created for this "competition."
For those of you who do not want to particiapte with this challenge, please refrain from exacerbating this situation and do your best to avoid interaction with the OP.
Thank you for your cooperation everyone,
~CaptainSmirk