there's one or two missions in the GLA campaign in C&C: Generals that involve doing just that, and one more that was removed that involved using toxin tractors and destroying chemical storehouses to literally POISON hundreds of civilians in a small city
and the only reason it was removed was because of the political situation at the time of the game's release in 2003...had it not been what it was, that mission WOULD have been included as part of the campaign...and the game is rated T, by the way, same as this one
morality has no basis in video games and it never did
Thats kind of funny, considering the number of games that Have a Morality System, or Karma system in play
I belive the developers of those games would thoroughly disagree with your statement, but htne what would industry developer know about it?
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You should read a serious book about moral or ethical philosophy. This is a very standard type of hypothetical.
I suggest Reasons and Persons by David Parfit for many examples of these quick hypotheticals, and how they can be used to investigate moral claims.
I do not believe that moral language can be used to describe situations that don't affect real people, or other agents capable of being affected in a morally significant way.
If we imagine that myriads of people exist, and then imagine that these myriads are all destroyed, this is not the same as real people being harmed.
Part of being able to separate fantasy from reality is being able to recognize that events that occur only in fantasy have no moral component. That fantasy things aren't actually real.
The fantasy element is something to hide behind, You can't get away from the fact that a majority of people here have reacted to your proposal negatively, because we all find your Fantasy suggestion disturbing, this in itself is telling about human nature, we find your fantasy Genocide to be morally reprehensible regardless of how fictional it is.
Fantasy events might not be real but the desire to play things out in a fantasy world is real, when immersed into the fantasy the intention, the emotions of the moment and that desire is real, its being experienced, I'm disturbed by this because some part of people who fantasize about killing, Wants to kill , and don't want to indulge it with a foundry mission
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I wonder if I can get someone to help me explore this issue better.
I have a couple of question I think can help us see this controversy more clearly.
Questions:
1) Lets say I program a simple game where there is a red button, and a numerical display.
Each time the player hits the button, the number in the display goes up by one billion.
The display is described as counting the number of imaginary people killed each time the player presses the button.
Is he doing something morally wrong by pressing it? Is pressing it describable in moral language at all?
2) Lets say that I change the text description that accompanies the game to say that not only does the number display the quantity of imaginary people killed, but that they aren't just killed, they are tortured to death in the most horrible way.
Is pressing the button any more or less immoral now than it was before I changed the text description?
You are using the same exact thing you used earlier. It shows you have no argument.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
My motives for wanting this foundry mission made are all laid out as clearly as I could in the original post to this thread.
You really come out of left field with some of the things you ascribe to me.
Your only motive is that you feel the old, unlamented Cardassian government was put-upon by the Bajorans they were slaughtering by the millions. Reality doesn't work that way.
If you asked me, I'd say that it would show that I have one argument.
Make no mistake, I do not feel any need to win any sort of argument. My only role here is to pay the winner once the entries are submitted and a winner picked. I'm letting my EC do the talking.
It mystifies me why people who have no interest in the contest or its outcome feel compelled to post in this thread so much, but people are free to do whatever they want, and as long as it isn't disruptive I don't see why it should be any business of mine.
As I did before, I point you to Randall Munroe's explanation. Also, take a look at the alt text and put it together with Askray's (wrong, IMHO) opinion that this contest doesn't violate the T&C.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I'm starting to think that iconians is right about what he considers to be the real flaws of the late years of the franchise. They lost the thread of the show and turned into it into generic sci-fi action schlock. That's why I consider the JJverse movies to be good sci-fi action movies but bad Star Trek films. Similarly the concentration camp simulator you propose is the exact opposite of Star Trek. It has no place here at all.
Going a bit of topic, But I think I'm in agreement here, I like generic Sci Fi as much as the next guy, Flashy spaceships and cool scenery is always a good distraction
But Trek was always something a bit more than that really, it had lofty ideals sure, but at least it aspired to something, some hopeful message about the potential for good in man and mankinds struggle to preserve it against hardship( One of the reasons "The Drumhead" is one of my faves )
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
There are limitations to what is allowed in game, and obviously the Terms of Service comes into play. That said, there is an easy way to make a mission that goes into the Gallitep incident without violating ToS. There are ways to do it as well. Anyone doing this mission will have to make that decision for themselves.
But that is not what the OP is asking for.
Quoted from the OP with some parts highlighted in Red to indicate what it seems like the OP is asking for.
The Druk Charitable Trust is endowing a competition for the best foundry mission that allows the player to participate in the glories of Gul Darheel, the Hero of Gallitep.
The grand prize for a an exceptional mission is 100,000,000 EC.
Mission Statement: Cardassian fans are a very underserved population in STO. The developers have not focused yet on Cardassian content, and so fans of the Cardassians are left with meagre pickings.
The foundry exists so that creative players can make content to supplement the content in the game. In this spirit of filling in the gaps, I hereby endow a prize of One Hundred Million Energy Credits to the person who makes an exceptional mission commemorating the Cardassian hero Gul Darheel and the Gallitep incident.
Detailed guidelines will follow, but the outline is this:
The player must assist Gul Darheel in crushing the bajoran rebellion at gallitep labor camp, and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses to prevent the violence from spreading and innocent lives being lost, and then escaping before bajoran terrorists arrive in force.
The mission will require the player to have cardassians allies and to go around killing bajorans terrorists.
It should have dialog options that reflect Gul Darheel's typically canon Cardassian views about the occupation and the bajorans. The purpose of this mission is to approximate the support and glory that Gul Darheel enjoyed among his people in Star Trek: Deep Space 9.
The Glories of Gul Darheel
The Hero of Gallitep
commemorating the Cardassian Hero, Gul Darheel
Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing ...
and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses ...
Sure there might be a way to do such a mission as a propoganda piece (ala Starship Troopers) that shows the Butcher of Gallitep in the proper light while using the propoganda piece to show how over the top he was, etc etc , but that is plainly not what the OP is asking for.
He wants a concentration camp simulator where eventually the PC is responsible for releasing toxic gasses that kill everyone for the glory of Gul Darheel.
I should add that if there are other people who have an affinity for Cardassians and the truth being told about the so-called 'atrocities' during the occupation of bajor, and you don't have experience using the foundry but still want to see the truth told, I would be happy to partner together to increase prizes or other incentives for foundry work toward this end.
You could put together a billion EC, and every lockbox ship in the game as the prize.
The answer would still be no.
And it remains an offensive and insensitive idea.
I have to wonder, wouldn't simply not posting in the thread be a more energy efficient way of opting out?
I can agree that this might be offensive and insensitive to Bajorans. But Bajorans aren't real.
On the other hand, any support for Bajorans might be construed as material support for terrorism, since the Bajorans were terrorists.
I imagine a very robust defense to this charge would be "but your Honor, I must object. Bajorans aren't real."
Its offensive and insensitive to rational humans, as is clearly evidenced by the people who have read your request, and posted their disgust in this thread
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Folks -
You can discuss or debate this competition all you want - However keep in mind THIS IS NOT ABOUT A REAL LIFE SITUATION. Not to mention flaming, trolling or any other form of harassment is not tolerated.
You can tell me the incident at gallitep (or the entire occupation of bajor) is a social commentary on the holocaust all you want, but unless you're also ready to make that argument to where we shouldn't even have wars in this game you have no ground to stand on. Hundreds of thousands of people die in wars in real life. Hundreds of thousands of starfleet, klingon, cardiassians and so on have died in wars in ST, including civilians and children, should we not discuss them?
Should we not have both sides shown?
Should we just ignore they ever happened?
Should we not have any foundry missions dealing with wars?
Again, I get why people have strong feelings about this. I'm not blind to it. That said, I'm looking at this objectively as a situation from a fictional world. Not from what I may or may not interpret as a real life situation which can be hard, but I think a lot of people need to do.
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I am going to be honest. You seem to be unable to distinguish between historical tellings of a conflict, and then something which is intended to glorify a massacre as part of some pleasure.
Folks -
You can discuss or debate this competition all you want - However keep in mind THIS IS NOT ABOUT A REAL LIFE SITUATION. Not to mention flaming, trolling or any other form of harassment is not tolerated.
You can tell me the incident at gallitep (or the entire occupation of bajor) is a social commentary on the holocaust all you want, but unless you're also ready to make that argument to where we shouldn't even have wars in this game you have no ground to stand on. Hundreds of thousands of people die in wars in real life. Hundreds of thousands of starfleet, klingon, cardiassians and so on have died in wars in ST, including civilians and children, should we not discuss them?
Should we not have both sides shown?
Should we just ignore they ever happened?
Should we not have any foundry missions dealing with wars?
Again, I get why people have strong feelings about this. I'm not blind to it. That said, I'm looking at this objectively as a situation from a fictional world. Not from what I may or may not interpret as a real life situation which can be hard, but I think a lot of people need to do.
In the first post (as I have pointed out) , the OP says that the Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing Bajorans, and that they MUST be responsible for the release of the toxic gasses at Gallitep.
And no , I'm not making the argument ,as you are using for his defense here, that we should never have wars or anything bad in the game. Thats the same nonsense the OP has been spouting. What I am saying is that there are many things that act as emotional triggers for a whole lot of people in the world. This is one of them.
What he OP is asking for is blatant.
He lays it out pretty plainly.
"The player must assist Gul Darheel in crushing the bajoran rebellion at gallitep labor camp, and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses to prevent the violence from spreading and innocent lives being lost, and then escaping before bajoran terrorists arrive in force."
He is asking for a writer to make something glorifying war crimes in which the player takes an active role.
So no, it's not about we shouldn't have wars , we shouldn't have anything bad, etc etc
It's about the fact that what has been asked for is offensive and insensitive.
And I will continue to say so.
And allowing this to continue sets a bad precedent.
Again. Just to point it out.
Make a Thread about wanting an End Game Connie, or Disco Balls and your thread gets closed with a warning.
Make a Thread asking for foundry authors to create a concentration camp simulator , hey that's no problem.
Al the little "musts" that make a difference, a kind of total overdrawn "Starship Trooper" *would you like to know more?* Version? No Problem!
But say no to Concentration Camp Simulators!
The sole intention of the Mission is to Kill Bajorans, and many of them and that with a totaly perverterd reasoning
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In the first post (as I have pointed out) , the OP says that the Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing Bajorans, and that they MUST be responsible for the release of the toxic gasses at Gallitep.
And no , I'm not making the argument ,as you are using for his defense here, that we should never have wars or anything bad in the game. Thats the same nonsense the OP has been spouting. What I am saying is that there are many things that act as emotional triggers for a whole lot of people in the world. This is one of them.
What he OP is asking for is blatant.
He lays it out pretty plainly.
The player must assist Gul Darheel in crushing the bajoran rebellion at gallitep labor camp, and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses to prevent the violence from spreading and innocent lives being lost, and then escaping before bajoran terrorists arrive in force.
He is asking for a writer to make something glorifying war crimes in which the player takes an active role.
So no, it's not about we shouldn't have wars , we shouldn't have anything bad, etc etc
It's about the fact that what has been asked for is offensive and insensitive.
And I will continue to say so.
And allowing this to continue sets a bad precedent.
Again. Just to point it out.
Make a Thread about wanting an End Game Connie, or Disco Balls and your thread gets closed with a warning.
Make a Thread asking for foundry authors to create a concentration camp simulator , hey that's no problem.
To me, that is reaching the heights of insane.
Like you said, there are many things that act as emotional triggers for people in the world. That also includes war situations. I'm not saying I agree with the OP's ideas. Not in any way. THAT SAID, there is more to it than this. If I was to say "No you shouldn't be allowed to do a story line where you release a toxic gas to kill bajorans." Well then Sisko better be courtmartialed and hanged because he did it (and was willing to poison ALL planets in the DMZ). So did Eddington. Gowron once said "History is written by the victors" and he is right.
It's a slippery slope. If you allow people to write about one thing, you have to be willing to allow for the other part of it to be written about as well. People have written about the bajoran struggle during the occupation. There are foundry missions about it I'm sure. There are books about it that's for sure. People tell stories in the foundry about the wars that are on going, I've done foundry missions where you're killing dozens upon dozens of people. All in the name of starfleet. (I don't write KDF stuff hehe).
So what is to stop someone else from coming along and saying they don't like the fact people are writing about wars? Should I silence the threads of people wanting to make those because they are people emotionally involved with the idea of war?
Yes, it's the same situation before you say it's not. You're still killing people. Plasma fires are probably a very bad way to go. Course so is probably suffocating in space due to hull breaches... anywho I digress :P
My point in this, and it always has been, there is always going to be someone that is not going to like something. If we closed every thread because people feel "emotional", for a lack of a better word, about it there would be no threads on this board at all. There would be no point to it because everything someone puts will have a reaction by someone. That's just a fact of life.
No one is going to be ever happy with every thought out there.
EDIT:
PS - Hopefully that made some sense I don't sleep much anymore due to RL situations so i might have rambled in some parts >.>
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Folks -
You can discuss or debate this competition all you want - However keep in mind THIS IS NOT ABOUT A REAL LIFE SITUATION. Not to mention flaming, trolling or any other form of harassment is not tolerated.
You can tell me the incident at gallitep (or the entire occupation of bajor) is a social commentary on the holocaust all you want, but unless you're also ready to make that argument to where we shouldn't even have wars in this game you have no ground to stand on. Hundreds of thousands of people die in wars in real life. Hundreds of thousands of starfleet, klingon, cardiassians and so on have died in wars in ST, including civilians and children, should we not discuss them?
Should we not have both sides shown?
Should we just ignore they ever happened?
Should we not have any foundry missions dealing with wars?
Again, I get why people have strong feelings about this. I'm not blind to it. That said, I'm looking at this objectively as a situation from a fictional world. Not from what I may or may not interpret as a real life situation which can be hard, but I think a lot of people need to do.
This thread really shows there's some unbalanced people out and about. It's a video game mission portraying Star Trek lore events with some much needed balancing of the events surrounding the Bajorans' invasion of the Cardassian home systems. If anything, I can only applaud such a series of missions being played out for what the Foundry is usually used as: holomission exploration!
I wonder, has the OP Repetitiveepic played through the Bijor missions out on Foundry before?
____GREAT LEADERS LET THEIR ACTIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Yes, it's the same situation before you say it's not. You're still killing people. Plasma fires are probably a very bad way to go. Course so is probably suffocating in space due to hull breaches... anywho I digress"
Askray,
It IS 2 different things.
Once the OP crosses the line to asking for and saying that the Player MUST be involved in committing War Crimes, it becomes a very different thing.
In the first post (as I have pointed out) , the OP says that the Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing Bajorans, and that they MUST be responsible for the release of the toxic gasses at Gallitep.
Players must explore sectors. Players must click the glowing item. Players must incapacitate/kill NPC's.
It's using game and level design terminology and the limitations of the Foundry editor. You must do X to progress A to B.
Nothing more. Cripes.
EDIT: If you don't want to play the mission, then don't. Cripes.
____GREAT LEADERS LET THEIR ACTIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Yes, it's the same situation before you say it's not. You're still killing people. Plasma fires are probably a very bad way to go. Course so is probably suffocating in space due to hull breaches... anywho I digress"
Askray,
It IS 2 different things.
Once the OP crosses the line to asking for and saying that the Player MUST be involved in committing War Crimes, it becomes a very different thing.
I don't think they will ever understand the difference.
"You agree to review content in the context of appropriateness for all ages, and for violation of the End User License Agreement (EULA) for author that can be found on the Star Trek Online web site. The other players of the game are relying on your judgment to help identify inappropriate content."
I heartily suggest that IF somehow the OP gets this mission made that any and all people who are reviewers actually take the time to play it, and honestly judge whether the content is appropriate for all ages. As the idea itself probably wouldn't be considered appropriate for all ages, I imagine any mission made this way would not be either.
As a reviewer please review honestly, and report IF it needs to be reported.
My actual hope is that no one will help in this endeavour. You know, because they are decent people.
"You agree to review content in the context of appropriateness for all ages, and for violation of the End User License Agreement (EULA) for author that can be found on the Star Trek Online web site. The other players of the game are relying on your judgment to help identify inappropriate content."
I heartily suggest that IF somehow the OP gets this mission made that any and all people who are reviewers actually take the time to play it, and honestly judge whether the content is appropriate for all ages. As the idea itself probably wouldn't be considered appropriate for all ages, I imagine any mission made this way would not be either.
As a reviewer please review honestly, and report IF it needs to be reported.
My actual hope is that no one will help in this endeavour. You know, because they are decent people.
If someone is doing it, they sure haven't spoken up.
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Thats kind of funny, considering the number of games that Have a Morality System, or Karma system in play
I belive the developers of those games would thoroughly disagree with your statement, but htne what would industry developer know about it?
The fantasy element is something to hide behind, You can't get away from the fact that a majority of people here have reacted to your proposal negatively, because we all find your Fantasy suggestion disturbing, this in itself is telling about human nature, we find your fantasy Genocide to be morally reprehensible regardless of how fictional it is.
Fantasy events might not be real but the desire to play things out in a fantasy world is real, when immersed into the fantasy the intention, the emotions of the moment and that desire is real, its being experienced, I'm disturbed by this because some part of people who fantasize about killing, Wants to kill , and don't want to indulge it with a foundry mission
You are using the same exact thing you used earlier. It shows you have no argument.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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As I did before, I point you to Randall Munroe's explanation. Also, take a look at the alt text and put it together with Askray's (wrong, IMHO) opinion that this contest doesn't violate the T&C.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Going a bit of topic, But I think I'm in agreement here, I like generic Sci Fi as much as the next guy, Flashy spaceships and cool scenery is always a good distraction
But Trek was always something a bit more than that really, it had lofty ideals sure, but at least it aspired to something, some hopeful message about the potential for good in man and mankinds struggle to preserve it against hardship( One of the reasons "The Drumhead" is one of my faves )
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
But that is not what the OP is asking for.
Quoted from the OP with some parts highlighted in Red to indicate what it seems like the OP is asking for.
The Glories of Gul Darheel
The Hero of Gallitep
commemorating the Cardassian Hero, Gul Darheel
Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing ...
and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses ...
Sure there might be a way to do such a mission as a propoganda piece (ala Starship Troopers) that shows the Butcher of Gallitep in the proper light while using the propoganda piece to show how over the top he was, etc etc , but that is plainly not what the OP is asking for.
He wants a concentration camp simulator where eventually the PC is responsible for releasing toxic gasses that kill everyone for the glory of Gul Darheel.
If somehow you need further proof of the OPs intent here , check out his other thread
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1192341
He pretty plainly lays out his way of thinking, and what is really being asked for here.
It's offensive.
It's insensitive.
And I still can't believe that this is being allowed to go on.
If I say Tier 5 Connie 3 times will it get the thread closed and this vile idea gone?
Tier 5 Connie
Tier 5 Connie
Tier 5 Connie
You could put together a billion EC, and every lockbox ship in the game as the prize.
The answer would still be no.
And it remains an offensive and insensitive idea.
Its offensive and insensitive to rational humans, as is clearly evidenced by the people who have read your request, and posted their disgust in this thread
It is blatantly absurd with the way he tries to "RP" this.
You can discuss or debate this competition all you want - However keep in mind THIS IS NOT ABOUT A REAL LIFE SITUATION. Not to mention flaming, trolling or any other form of harassment is not tolerated.
You can tell me the incident at gallitep (or the entire occupation of bajor) is a social commentary on the holocaust all you want, but unless you're also ready to make that argument to where we shouldn't even have wars in this game you have no ground to stand on. Hundreds of thousands of people die in wars in real life. Hundreds of thousands of starfleet, klingon, cardiassians and so on have died in wars in ST, including civilians and children, should we not discuss them?
Should we not have both sides shown?
Should we just ignore they ever happened?
Should we not have any foundry missions dealing with wars?
Again, I get why people have strong feelings about this. I'm not blind to it. That said, I'm looking at this objectively as a situation from a fictional world. Not from what I may or may not interpret as a real life situation which can be hard, but I think a lot of people need to do.
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In the first post (as I have pointed out) , the OP says that the Player MUST assist Gul Darheel in crushing Bajorans, and that they MUST be responsible for the release of the toxic gasses at Gallitep.
And no , I'm not making the argument ,as you are using for his defense here, that we should never have wars or anything bad in the game. Thats the same nonsense the OP has been spouting. What I am saying is that there are many things that act as emotional triggers for a whole lot of people in the world. This is one of them.
What he OP is asking for is blatant.
He lays it out pretty plainly.
"The player must assist Gul Darheel in crushing the bajoran rebellion at gallitep labor camp, and eventually causing the release of toxic gasses to prevent the violence from spreading and innocent lives being lost, and then escaping before bajoran terrorists arrive in force."
He is asking for a writer to make something glorifying war crimes in which the player takes an active role.
So no, it's not about we shouldn't have wars , we shouldn't have anything bad, etc etc
It's about the fact that what has been asked for is offensive and insensitive.
And I will continue to say so.
And allowing this to continue sets a bad precedent.
Again. Just to point it out.
Make a Thread about wanting an End Game Connie, or Disco Balls and your thread gets closed with a warning.
Make a Thread asking for foundry authors to create a concentration camp simulator , hey that's no problem.
To me, that is reaching the heights of insane.
But say no to Concentration Camp Simulators!
The sole intention of the Mission is to Kill Bajorans, and many of them and that with a totaly perverterd reasoning
It's a slippery slope. If you allow people to write about one thing, you have to be willing to allow for the other part of it to be written about as well. People have written about the bajoran struggle during the occupation. There are foundry missions about it I'm sure. There are books about it that's for sure. People tell stories in the foundry about the wars that are on going, I've done foundry missions where you're killing dozens upon dozens of people. All in the name of starfleet. (I don't write KDF stuff hehe).
So what is to stop someone else from coming along and saying they don't like the fact people are writing about wars? Should I silence the threads of people wanting to make those because they are people emotionally involved with the idea of war?
Yes, it's the same situation before you say it's not. You're still killing people. Plasma fires are probably a very bad way to go. Course so is probably suffocating in space due to hull breaches... anywho I digress :P
My point in this, and it always has been, there is always going to be someone that is not going to like something. If we closed every thread because people feel "emotional", for a lack of a better word, about it there would be no threads on this board at all. There would be no point to it because everything someone puts will have a reaction by someone. That's just a fact of life.
No one is going to be ever happy with every thought out there.
EDIT:
PS - Hopefully that made some sense I don't sleep much anymore due to RL situations so i might have rambled in some parts >.>
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This thread really shows there's some unbalanced people out and about. It's a video game mission portraying Star Trek lore events with some much needed balancing of the events surrounding the Bajorans' invasion of the Cardassian home systems. If anything, I can only applaud such a series of missions being played out for what the Foundry is usually used as: holomission exploration!
I wonder, has the OP Repetitiveepic played through the Bijor missions out on Foundry before?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Askray,
It IS 2 different things.
Once the OP crosses the line to asking for and saying that the Player MUST be involved in committing War Crimes, it becomes a very different thing.
Players must explore sectors. Players must click the glowing item. Players must incapacitate/kill NPC's.
It's using game and level design terminology and the limitations of the Foundry editor. You must do X to progress A to B.
Nothing more. Cripes.
EDIT: If you don't want to play the mission, then don't. Cripes.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't think they will ever understand the difference.
I heartily suggest that IF somehow the OP gets this mission made that any and all people who are reviewers actually take the time to play it, and honestly judge whether the content is appropriate for all ages. As the idea itself probably wouldn't be considered appropriate for all ages, I imagine any mission made this way would not be either.
As a reviewer please review honestly, and report IF it needs to be reported.
My actual hope is that no one will help in this endeavour. You know, because they are decent people.
If someone is doing it, they sure haven't spoken up.