Bluegeek the issue is the second ship actually looks like a fed ship. Cryptics latest designs DO NOT and that cocept is not even close. Heck i showed it to a friend of mine who workled on the Ultimate universe mod for Star trek Legacy and he couldn't beleive how ugly it was.
THAT IS THE ISSUE. Cryptics ship designers for some reason can't make a good looking fed ship. Heck my friend said change the buzzard color to proper red and it would work and i agree. THAT IS A STARFLEET SHIP
Well... I won't say they can't make one, because technically they made all of the other ones including the earlier ones that I assume you do like.
I will agree to a point... I did not like any of the Dyson Sci Destroyers. I wasn't overly impressed with the Avenger. The patrol escort revamp was based on an earlier model, so I don't think I'd count that one. And whatever that was in the first pic, I've already expressed my thoughts about.
My real hopes for this expansion along Fed lines? A good reason to fly an Intrepid-type ship and put the Vesta in spacedock for awhile. I loves my Vesta, but I've always loved the Voyager ship design and it would be cool to fly one again.
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Well... I won't say they can't make one, because technically they made all of the other ones including the earlier ones that I assume you do like.
I will agree to a point... I did not like any of the Dyson Sci Destroyers. I wasn't overly impressed with the Avenger. The patrol escort revamp was based on an earlier model, so I don't think I'd count that one. And whatever that was in the first pic, I've already expressed my thoughts about.
My real hopes for this expansion along Fed lines? A good reason to fly an Intrepid-type ship and put the Vesta in spacedock for awhile. I loves my Vesta, but I've always loved the Voyager ship design and it would be cool to fly one again.
It belongs to DJ Curtis so if you get him they you can get that ship. The sad part is that we the fans can make ships that look better than professional ship designers. heck Oddy the last really good ship was a fan made ship. Look up Rick knox, Wiley Coyote, Moonraker, and Tobias Ricker.
TRIBBLE this im gonna go play Star trek armada 3 mod for sins (atleast that mod has decent conceptual artists and modelers)
and before anyone gripes about licencing that only applies to on screen ships the rest can tbe made by interpretation and there is NO NEED to mess with nearly 50 years of design concept.. make something new based on the LAW of design in the universe .. at least STA3 did that much.
then you7 have no design concept. that ship is NOT a starfleet ship
Just because someone likes something that is different than what you think is a "Starfleet ship," doesn't mean they have no sense when it comes to Starfleet ship designs. I find the Tier 6 cruiser to be intriguing, and I love the design for the escort.
Just because someone likes something that is different than what you think is a "Starfleet ship," doesn't mean they have no sense when it comes to Starfleet ship designs. I find the Tier 6 cruiser to be intriguing, and I love the design for the escort.
You don't throw decades of design LAW for starfleer design. There's 80 years between TOS Connie and Galaxy. There are differences but still recognizable as part of the same power. heck see the difference between Excel or Ambassador then Ambassador to Galaxy. There is NO reason to such a design difference.
Being a moderator they become a representative of Cryptic.
Being a moderator, I try to be mindful that I am in some ways a faceman for PWE on the forums. People identify with me and the way I act, for good or bad, and that reflects on PWE's presence here.
Representative is too strong a word, though. Again, I have no direct line to anybody on the Dev team or to management. The ONLY person I have a line to is Smirk and he's pretty busy with more than just the forums.
So, while I'm willing to listen to what people have to say, I can't do diddly about it unless it has to do with forum moderation.
On the other hand, because I'm a volunteer and not an employee, I can say anything I want as long as I'm following the same forum rules you guys do. I have my own opinions and those who know me, know I'm not shy about sharing them.
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You don't throw decades of design LAW for starfleer design. There's 80 years between TOS Connie and Galaxy. There are differences but still recognizable as part of the same power. heck see the difference between Excel or Ambassador then Ambassador to Galaxy. There is NO reason to such a design difference.
Indeed.
Cryptics Ship designers, seem to be simply not capable to come up with a continuation of the Starfleet theme. Yes their ships have nacelles, saucers and engineering hulls, but it doesn't make a Starfleet ship.
Their designs simply miss "soul", they just create ships for the sake of making them look different in order to make STO look advanced.
But they go completely over the top (as always) and forget to look at the general shapes and composition of their designs.
Even the Regent, a ship that looks good at the first glance, misses that final touch of "soul" IMO. And i'm not talking about adding more details or more windows.
Their designs also lack continuation and consistency IMO.
But that has already started with the introduction of the Sovereign in ST:8.
Cryptics designers simply carried this over the top (again).
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
The first ship looks too... flat and pointy. Given that it's a concept, I would hope that it would get better in the final version. Also, perhaps not the best perspective shot to get a sense of what it would really look like.
For the most part, I agree.
Honestly, I could live with that saucer as long as the nacelles looked like nacelles and not folded-up wings like they do now. Put more conventional, if a bit sleek, nacelles on that with a decent engineering hull or vestigial one, and I'd be fine with it.
You don't throw decades of design LAW for starfleer design. There's 80 years between TOS Connie and Galaxy. There are differences but still recognizable as part of the same power. heck see the difference between Excel or Ambassador then Ambassador to Galaxy. There is NO reason to such a design difference.
Who cares? I say that Cryptic should just go ahead and do what they will with the designs of the ships from now on, and I'll gladly support them in that endeavor, regardless of what some fans think of the choices. The designers at Cryptic need a reason to change a design paradigm? Really? please... Cryptic can do whatever they feel like doing and you people seem to forget one thing in this situation: CBS probably signed off on the designs, most likely. If CBS did do that, then they're fine with the Tier 6 Federation ship designs.
Also, since when did Ship design became law in the Federation? Provide proof that this is true.
Who cares? I say that Cryptic should just go ahead and do what they will with the designs of the ships from now on, and I'll gladly support them in that endeavor, regardless of what some fans think of the choices. The designers at Cryptic need a reason to change a design paradigm? Really? please... Cryptic can do whatever they feel like doing and you people seem to forget one thing in this situation: CBS probably signed off on the designs, most likely. If CBS did do that, then they're fine with the Tier 6 Federation ship designs.
Also, since when did Ship design became law in the Federation? Provide proof that this is true.
I take it you missed my previous post on that theme:
There are clear visual interpretations as to what is what in Star Trek. Cryptic are not making their own random space sci-fi MMO here, they need to follow some basic guidelines behind Star Trek. For it's entire life, the franchise has portrayed a certain design style for all involved parties. For some unknown reason, Cryptic has serious issues grasping the Starfleet design concepts even though there is literally an infinite number of fan-made and professional designs for Starfleet ships on the web to take ideas from. Interestingly enough, they don't seem to have this problem with Romulan designs and their Klingon designs are usually spot on.
Starfleet is not forbidden to change the design style, although the people behind Star Trek obviously think that this would be a stupid idea and strip one of the main trademarks of the franchise - as evidenced in all the shows and movies where Starfleet ships vary, but still follow the basic design principle ever since TOS.
If Cryptic is making and marketing this as a Star Trek game, then no, they shoudln't mess with the basic principles of design of the main protagonists. When people go to STO to play a Star Trek game, it should be reckognizable to them and not make them go "WTF?!?".
If Starfleet is to employ a new design style, this will be done in a Star Trek show or a movie - and game studios afterwards can draw inspiration from that "new" design concept. Making something that doesn't resemble anything people have seen on-screen will only result in negative remarks.
Note that I'm not saying that's what's happening here. We still have to little material to work with so we can draw such conclusions. I'm just commenting on Starfleet changing design principles.
If the hull materials seen on the 2 new T6 Federation concepts are not infact shield effects or similar but how they envision Federation hulls would look like a T6, then it's a too large departure from the franchise and what made Trek, Trek.
You don't just go ahead and take away Star Trek from a Star Trek game.
I take it you missed my previous post on that theme:
You don't just go ahead and take away Star Trek from a Star Trek game.
Taking away Star Trek from a game based on the franchise? Okay, I will say I disagree with that statement, since there's no "taking away Star Trek" happening anyway. The tier 6 ships (especially the cruiser) still have the design of the "canon" Starfleet ships, they just look different than most of the Starfleet ships.
In any case, this whole argument is moot since the designs are going to be changed anyway, even if some of the playerbase leaves due to the ship design non-issue.
Taking away Star Trek from a game based on the franchise? Okay, I will say I disagree with that statement, since there's no "taking away Star Trek" happening anyway. The tier 6 ships (especially the cruiser) still have the design of the "canon" Starfleet ships, they just look different than most of the Starfleet ships.
In any case, this whole argument is moot since the designs are going to be changed anyway, even if some of the playerbase leaves due to the ship design non-issue.
Read my post carefully - I already said that it's too early to judge the new designs until we see the end result.
Here I'm referring to the part of Cryptic doing "whatever they feel like doing", which they shouldn't and thankfully so far they haven't, except for a few weird ocassions. Completely changing the established aesthetics of Trek in a ST game will never end well for the company making the game.
Who cares? I say that Cryptic should just go ahead and do what they will with the designs of the ships from now on, and I'll gladly support them in that endeavor, regardless of what some fans think of the choices. The designers at Cryptic need a reason to change a design paradigm? Really? please... Cryptic can do whatever they feel like doing and you people seem to forget one thing in this situation: CBS probably signed off on the designs, most likely. If CBS did do that, then they're fine with the Tier 6 Federation ship designs.
Also, since when did Ship design became law in the Federation? Provide proof that this is true.
MOONRAKER (LOOK HIM UP)
ROB CAVES (LOOK HIM UP ALSO)
WILEY (SEE A TREND)
RICK KNOCKS (hhhmm this is getting familiar)
MAXLOEF (yeah even him)
and hell if he's free TOBIAS RICHTER (though i admit that one would be hard to achieve)
all of the above could design starships for all the factions and NPC's better than what we are seeing (and thats a shame in itself as the modelers you have are talented but it seems very time constraint and lazy since they were hired after season 6...
saying no more now on the subject aside from DITCH THAT HORIBLE SHIP!
Now this looks all kinds of wrong to me. :eek: I'm sure there are people that'll like it as tastes vary, but personally I don't see anything reckognizably Starfleet in it.
But, it's not my intention to bash this still basic model here, I used it more in terms of comparison to what could a new T6 Starfleet ship look like and still be very Starfleet looking.
if i had seen this outside of star trek, i'd have said this is a babylon 5 inspired ship, based on the vorlon cruiser and taking the dual lasers from the narn heavy cruiser - with a tron inspired texture
Who cares? I say that Cryptic should just go ahead and do what they will with the designs of the ships from now on, and I'll gladly support them in that endeavor, regardless of what some fans think of the choices. The designers at Cryptic need a reason to change a design paradigm? Really? please... Cryptic can do whatever they feel like doing and you people seem to forget one thing in this situation: CBS probably signed off on the designs, most likely. If CBS did do that, then they're fine with the Tier 6 Federation ship designs.
That doesn't mean fans have to like it.
You may not understand this, but the ships are like characters themselves.
They are much more than just mere mounts. Most of the time in the series they ARE the central characters.
Sure CBS, Cryptic or whoever has bought the rights, can do what he/it wants do do with it.
But it's their fault if the "product" (Star Trek) suffers from becoming less popular.
Also, since when did Ship design became law in the Federation? Provide proof that this is true.
Ever heard the term "recognition value"?
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Now this looks all kinds of wrong to me. :eek: I'm sure there are people that'll like it as tastes vary, but personally I don't see anything reckognizably Starfleet in it.
But, it's not my intention to bash this still basic model here, I used it more in terms of comparison to what could a new T6 Starfleet ship look like and still be very Starfleet looking.
And then it hit me - how many people would like to have this one at T6 availible?
I know this concept was discussed quite a few times before, but I think it could be relevant to bring it up now since a new tier of ships is going to be released soon - the best part being, as far as I'm aware, Cryptic has the rights for the concept because it was part of the contest - similar to the way the Chimera made her way into STO.
Personally, I'd like them to make this ship at T6. It looks like a modern variation of TOS and I'm a big fan of the TOS hull materials and ship design. And I love that it manages to follow the classic flowing design pattern with a round saucer (oh, just how I prefer round saucers to chevrons!), neck, engineering hull and 2 nacelles. It just has that "special" Starfleet thing that I think the LV concept is lacking.
So what do people think? Would you like to have this, or something sufficiently similar at T6?
The design the next Enterprise ship you posted became the Exeter Class, the upgrade for the Conistitution.
The design the next Enterprise ship you posted became the Exeter Class, the upgrade for the Conistitution.
The Exeter was there long before the "design the next enterprise" contest.
Both ships may look alike, but thats all.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
T6 Federation = was the designed team testing out a new flavor of stupid that day
But that is just my opinion. What I would like to see is more designs that go along the typical Federation lines of starship. These cryptic made no-neck "assault" whatevers are just getting to the point of being obscene. Ok, cryptic we get it. You like fins on everything. Fins get you aroused. Take some saltpeter, a cold shower, and move on.
I am on vacation right now, in digital no-man's land and I managed to get hold of one-bar-wifi so I can check my personal and spare time business with disabled images and EDGE speed only to discover that in a bit over one week of abscence Cryptic appearantly flushed everything down the drain. It took a lot of time to look at the "T6 ships" Cryptic came up with and I regret wasting the little bit of bandwith I have to look at those creations.
I... don't like them. It's no secret that I do not understand Cryptic's design philosophy behind this game or their interpretation of Starfleet ships. I never liked the Excalibur either, but compared to what the "actual" T6 ships are it's almost pleasing to look at and looks "crazy" enough to be a glimpse into Starfleet's future, with it's non-conventional design. But the Cryptic T6 designs... well, it's clear that after 4+ years of STO, they still mourn that they are stuck with the Trek liocense instead of just designing their own game, it seems...
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As much as i can see, the new "Defiant" looks goofy without nose.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
...
But that is just my opinion. What I would like to see is more designs that go along the typical Federation lines of starship. These cryptic made no-neck "assault" whatevers are just getting to the point of being obscene. Ok, cryptic we get it. You like fins on everything. Fins get you aroused. Take some saltpeter, a cold shower, and move on.
Lol, i would have put it in other words but i must agree with you.
Most of Crpytics starfleet designs are so bad, one has to ask if they make them so bad on purpose.
I mean you can't speak of a one time faux pas anymore, their designs are bad and worse on a constant manner. On the other hand, they CAN make nice and beautiful looking ROM and KDF ships without question. After four years, they still haven't got a idea how to create starfleet ships...
What's so strange about it, it's not even the same ppl doing all the designs over the years. They all seem to have heavy difficulties when it comes to Starfleet ships.
But maybe the source lies somewhere else.
Who does aprove those ugly designs to start with?
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
The fact that it isn't star trek. heck Into Darkness was rated the worse out of all movies.
That's not a fact. That's your opinion.
And Star Trek: Into Darkness was a commercial success. World-wide, it pulled in a cool 467 million bucks. That makes it the highest grossing of all the Star Trek films.
Can we please leave mr.Abrams and his work out of this thread everyone?
For the simple reason that it's not on topic in the slightest and has an immense potential to turn into a full scale flame war, as always.
And Star Trek: Into Darkness was a commercial success. World-wide, it pulled in a cool 467 million bucks. That makes it the highest grossing of all the Star Trek films.
It was VOTED the worse at a star trek convenction. so moving on.
As my friend mindwipe has said. Cryptic look up some fan designers for many fan made designs blow the water out of your latest designs.
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Well... I won't say they can't make one, because technically they made all of the other ones including the earlier ones that I assume you do like.
I will agree to a point... I did not like any of the Dyson Sci Destroyers. I wasn't overly impressed with the Avenger. The patrol escort revamp was based on an earlier model, so I don't think I'd count that one. And whatever that was in the first pic, I've already expressed my thoughts about.
My real hopes for this expansion along Fed lines? A good reason to fly an Intrepid-type ship and put the Vesta in spacedock for awhile. I loves my Vesta, but I've always loved the Voyager ship design and it would be cool to fly one again.
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It belongs to DJ Curtis so if you get him they you can get that ship. The sad part is that we the fans can make ships that look better than professional ship designers. heck Oddy the last really good ship was a fan made ship. Look up Rick knox, Wiley Coyote, Moonraker, and Tobias Ricker.
and before anyone gripes about licencing that only applies to on screen ships the rest can tbe made by interpretation and there is NO NEED to mess with nearly 50 years of design concept.. make something new based on the LAW of design in the universe .. at least STA3 did that much.
You don't throw decades of design LAW for starfleer design. There's 80 years between TOS Connie and Galaxy. There are differences but still recognizable as part of the same power. heck see the difference between Excel or Ambassador then Ambassador to Galaxy. There is NO reason to such a design difference.
Being a moderator, I try to be mindful that I am in some ways a faceman for PWE on the forums. People identify with me and the way I act, for good or bad, and that reflects on PWE's presence here.
Representative is too strong a word, though. Again, I have no direct line to anybody on the Dev team or to management. The ONLY person I have a line to is Smirk and he's pretty busy with more than just the forums.
So, while I'm willing to listen to what people have to say, I can't do diddly about it unless it has to do with forum moderation.
On the other hand, because I'm a volunteer and not an employee, I can say anything I want as long as I'm following the same forum rules you guys do. I have my own opinions and those who know me, know I'm not shy about sharing them.
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Cryptics Ship designers, seem to be simply not capable to come up with a continuation of the Starfleet theme. Yes their ships have nacelles, saucers and engineering hulls, but it doesn't make a Starfleet ship.
Their designs simply miss "soul", they just create ships for the sake of making them look different in order to make STO look advanced.
But they go completely over the top (as always) and forget to look at the general shapes and composition of their designs.
Even the Regent, a ship that looks good at the first glance, misses that final touch of "soul" IMO. And i'm not talking about adding more details or more windows.
Their designs also lack continuation and consistency IMO.
But that has already started with the introduction of the Sovereign in ST:8.
Cryptics designers simply carried this over the top (again).
Honestly, I could live with that saucer as long as the nacelles looked like nacelles and not folded-up wings like they do now. Put more conventional, if a bit sleek, nacelles on that with a decent engineering hull or vestigial one, and I'd be fine with it.
Also, since when did Ship design became law in the Federation? Provide proof that this is true.
I take it you missed my previous post on that theme:
You don't just go ahead and take away Star Trek from a Star Trek game.
In any case, this whole argument is moot since the designs are going to be changed anyway, even if some of the playerbase leaves due to the ship design non-issue.
Read my post carefully - I already said that it's too early to judge the new designs until we see the end result.
Here I'm referring to the part of Cryptic doing "whatever they feel like doing", which they shouldn't and thankfully so far they haven't, except for a few weird ocassions. Completely changing the established aesthetics of Trek in a ST game will never end well for the company making the game.
JJ fan much?
MOONRAKER (LOOK HIM UP)
ROB CAVES (LOOK HIM UP ALSO)
WILEY (SEE A TREND)
RICK KNOCKS (hhhmm this is getting familiar)
MAXLOEF (yeah even him)
and hell if he's free TOBIAS RICHTER (though i admit that one would be hard to achieve)
all of the above could design starships for all the factions and NPC's better than what we are seeing (and thats a shame in itself as the modelers you have are talented but it seems very time constraint and lazy since they were hired after season 6...
saying no more now on the subject aside from DITCH THAT HORIBLE SHIP!
have a nice day
if i had seen this outside of star trek, i'd have said this is a babylon 5 inspired ship, based on the vorlon cruiser and taking the dual lasers from the narn heavy cruiser - with a tron inspired texture
http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34969&d=1262823785
http://www.oocities.org/b5bloodyskies/GQuonCruiser.jpg
and since i now have seen it that way, it looks like it's flying to the left - and i can't get that notion out of my head
You may not understand this, but the ships are like characters themselves.
They are much more than just mere mounts. Most of the time in the series they ARE the central characters.
Sure CBS, Cryptic or whoever has bought the rights, can do what he/it wants do do with it.
But it's their fault if the "product" (Star Trek) suffers from becoming less popular.
Ever heard the term "recognition value"?
The design the next Enterprise ship you posted became the Exeter Class, the upgrade for the Conistitution.
Both ships may look alike, but thats all.
T6 Klingon = typical Klingon ship
T6 Federation = was the designed team testing out a new flavor of stupid that day
But that is just my opinion. What I would like to see is more designs that go along the typical Federation lines of starship. These cryptic made no-neck "assault" whatevers are just getting to the point of being obscene. Ok, cryptic we get it. You like fins on everything. Fins get you aroused. Take some saltpeter, a cold shower, and move on.
I am on vacation right now, in digital no-man's land and I managed to get hold of one-bar-wifi so I can check my personal and spare time business with disabled images and EDGE speed only to discover that in a bit over one week of abscence Cryptic appearantly flushed everything down the drain. It took a lot of time to look at the "T6 ships" Cryptic came up with and I regret wasting the little bit of bandwith I have to look at those creations.
I... don't like them. It's no secret that I do not understand Cryptic's design philosophy behind this game or their interpretation of Starfleet ships. I never liked the Excalibur either, but compared to what the "actual" T6 ships are it's almost pleasing to look at and looks "crazy" enough to be a glimpse into Starfleet's future, with it's non-conventional design. But the Cryptic T6 designs... well, it's clear that after 4+ years of STO, they still mourn that they are stuck with the Trek liocense instead of just designing their own game, it seems...
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"Delta Rising" New Federation Escort and Cruiser
http://trekmovie.com/2014/08/05/stlv-star-trek-online-announces-delta-rising-cbs-announces-rock-love-trek-jewelry-more/
And the one in the original OP.
http://trekmovie.com/2014/08/05/stlv-star-trek-online-announces-delta-rising-cbs-announces-rock-love-trek-jewelry-more/
So that is a carrier of some description, and the new escort, the way the nacelles are designed that looks like the T6 Defiant
Clearer pics within this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDAoTJsAEBs&feature=youtu.be&t=24m4s
Defiant at circa 28 mins, so this chap also reckons that's the new Defiant.
If it is? I say 'yay' - I actually like it.
You have a problem with people who like the Star Trek reboot?
The fact that it isn't star trek. heck Into Darkness was rated the worse out of all movies.
Most of Crpytics starfleet designs are so bad, one has to ask if they make them so bad on purpose.
I mean you can't speak of a one time faux pas anymore, their designs are bad and worse on a constant manner. On the other hand, they CAN make nice and beautiful looking ROM and KDF ships without question. After four years, they still haven't got a idea how to create starfleet ships...
What's so strange about it, it's not even the same ppl doing all the designs over the years. They all seem to have heavy difficulties when it comes to Starfleet ships.
But maybe the source lies somewhere else.
Who does aprove those ugly designs to start with?
That's not a fact. That's your opinion.
And Star Trek: Into Darkness was a commercial success. World-wide, it pulled in a cool 467 million bucks. That makes it the highest grossing of all the Star Trek films.
For the simple reason that it's not on topic in the slightest and has an immense potential to turn into a full scale flame war, as always.
Thank you.
It was VOTED the worse at a star trek convenction. so moving on.
As my friend mindwipe has said. Cryptic look up some fan designers for many fan made designs blow the water out of your latest designs.
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