I wonder if we will be getting T6 shuttles as well. It would be nice to have more fun shuttles to fly around. Maybe they can have 3 BOFFs slots instead of 2 or 1.
I wonder if we will be getting T6 shuttles as well. It would be nice to have more fun shuttles to fly around. Maybe they can have 3 BOFFs slots instead of 2 or 1.
I wonder if we will be getting T6 shuttles as well. It would be nice to have more fun shuttles to fly around. Maybe they can have 3 BOFFs slots instead of 2 or 1.
Oh? They haven't removed shuttles yet? [/Snark]
Shuttles don't use the tier system that ships do. Regardless, I doubt there will be shuttles with this expansion.
My only problem with the T6 Fed design is it looks too Tholian to me. /shrug.
Maybe i'm a bit too positve now, but perhaps other Starfleet ships won't have such a tholian influence, or it is just a special hull material.
On the other hand, the angular design of the Cruiser-"thing" looks way too alien IMO.
Maybe it's just me, but isn't it strange that the escort concept looks suspiciously like a defiant (devs are avowedly DS9 fans), while the Cruiser (Devs always favored Escorts) looks just meh...
So we have a Escort that looks very similar like the most popular escort in Star Trek, while on the other side we have a Cruiser that doesn't look like any Starfleet ship.
Wouldn't it be more logical to make the T6 Cruiser more like a popular Starfleet ship too?
Maybe like the Galaxy, a big Starfleet cruiser from the same era as the Defiant?
A design Cryptics designers never really used and developed (outside a Galaxy Variant) unlike the Sovereign design which influenced the Odyssey and Regent. (Intrepid influenced Vesta and Dyson ships)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
While I understand that people may want the Federation ships to be of the stock "Starfleet" style, I think it may be time that more original concepts and designs of Starfleet ships make it into the game... Just because you have a ship that may be different in design from the stock "Starfleet" style, that doesn't mean they're from a wholly different entity. There is precedence in Star Trek to "buck" the typical Starfleet design: the Defiant Class escort. Conceptually, they were designed to be used specifically against the Borg, but since the threat declined, they were basically mothballed until the Dominion came into the picture. At the time, was the Defiant "typical" for Starfleet design? No, it wasn't.
The design of the concept art that was shown yesterday could very well be experimental in nature. As of the current time, we do not know why the design is the way it is... let's wait and see what comes of the design.
New Designs arent the problem. But observing a progression over time is necessary to relate to the audience and gamers that these are Star Trek and Starfleet ships.
What Cryptic does is throw that out the window and introduces ships with very little indication of an inspiration or progression from previous ship designs. These new concept designs are heavily influenced by things that are obviously not Star Trek in origin.
The Defiant while new and different still shared many obvious design choices that can be seen in earlier works. And by no means took Star Trek ship designs in a peculiar direction.
No ones arguing against progress here. Only that the progress made seems to be leaps and bounds beyond what would come next after the Odyssey design, the Tempest Design, Vesta, Avenger and Sao Paulo. Place the Tron Cruiser from the Con next to an Odyssey and youll notice how the Tron Cruiser looks like its centuries ahead of what the Odyssey is. Same with the Tron Escort and Sao Paulo. Its a jump of multiple generations of ship design.
That second ship is breath taking, the first one looks like some federation-tholian hybrid.
Agreed about the second ship. Frankly, it's a far better concept for the Enterprise-F. (I'm not a fan of the Odyssey's dual-neck design, although I still like the ship.)
The first ship strikes me as a pseudo half-Battlestar Galactica / half-Iconian vessel... with a strong nod to Tron.
Not a fan. But, hey, it's coming to the game regardless of what we think.
I like the new designs, I was bored with all the same designs with only a minimal change.
I really like the new increased blue color, I wonder if it is veteran material or not.
Btw is it sure that it is the cruiser? Looks like more a science ship for me.
I am from Belgium and english isn't my main language, sorry if I make mistakes.
The image of the T6 Fed ship is not enough to make me swing one way or another. And with my love for the Excelsior, I probably won't care anyway.
Ha ha...you and me both. I'll most likely continue to fly my Excelsior since they said the older T5 ships will still be "viable" of course we don't know what cryptic considers viable... it's a rather subjective statement.
Personally, I'd like them to make this ship at T6. It looks like a modern variation of TOS and I'm a big fan of the TOS hull materials and ship design. And I love that it manages to follow the classic flowing design pattern with a round saucer (oh, just how I prefer round saucers to chevrons!), neck, engineering hull and 2 nacelles. It just has that "special" Starfleet thing that I think the LV concept is lacking.
So what do people think? Would you like to have this, or something sufficiently similar at T6?
I would happily give up every ship I have for one of these, especially if it had at the bare minimum the Fleet Excelsior or Fleet Assault Cruiser stats... all wishful thinking though... unfortunately. :rolleyes:
"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." - Rocky Balboa (2006)
Well after reading most of the threads regarding expansion 2, I sincerely hope the devs wake up and smell the coffee.
It would appear 95% of the community on these forums, facebook sto groups, and twitter all agree no matter the story (reason behind the new fed cruisesr/sci ship or whatever it is) the nacelles are freaking hideous and need to go.
Devs as you skim the forums please realize there is extreme loathing for this new design. It is not Trek, and only a few like it at all.
The nacelles are ugly, the weird blue tron thing needs to be an option we can also disable if unliked. Aegis shields are glorious and place nice trim lighting but an entire ship all tron themed? um no
There are posts that are saying YOU will have to pay us to fly these things. I sure hope you guys take this seriously as the hatred is worse than the fed dyson appearance.
Now this looks all kinds of wrong to me. :eek: I'm sure there are people that'll like it as tastes vary, but personally I don't see anything reckognizably Starfleet in it.
But, it's not my intention to bash this still basic model here, I used it more in terms of comparison to what could a new T6 Starfleet ship look like and still be very Starfleet looking.
And then it hit me - how many people would like to have this one at T6 availible?
I know this concept was discussed quite a few times before, but I think it could be relevant to bring it up now since a new tier of ships is going to be released soon - the best part being, as far as I'm aware, Cryptic has the rights for the concept because it was part of the contest - similar to the way the Chimera made her way into STO.
Personally, I'd like them to make this ship at T6. It looks like a modern variation of TOS and I'm a big fan of the TOS hull materials and ship design. And I love that it manages to follow the classic flowing design pattern with a round saucer (oh, just how I prefer round saucers to chevrons!), neck, engineering hull and 2 nacelles. It just has that "special" Starfleet thing that I think the LV concept is lacking.
So what do people think? Would you like to have this, or something sufficiently similar at T6?
I REALLY like the concept art from the second link.
Looking at the links for the cruiser and escort, it looks to me like perhaps upgraded versions of the Defiant and Heavy Cruisers. Perhaps these actually ARE those upgraded through whatever system is in place to upgrade ships to tier 6?
Well after reading most of the threads regarding expansion 2, I sincerely hope the devs wake up and smell the coffee.
It would appear 95% of the community on these forums, facebook sto groups, and twitter all agree no matter the story (reason behind the new fed cruisesr/sci ship or whatever it is) the nacelles are freaking hideous and need to go.
Devs as you skim the forums please realize there is extreme loathing for this new design. It is not Trek, and only a few like it at all.
The nacelles are ugly, the weird blue tron thing needs to be an option we can also disable if unliked. Aegis shields are glorious and place nice trim lighting but an entire ship all tron themed? um no
There are posts that are saying YOU will have to pay us to fly these things. I sure hope you guys take this seriously as the hatred is worse than the fed dyson appearance.
Although i agree with you, i wouldn't say it was hate. I would differ between criticism and dislike towards that ship.
Gah I didn't even notice how bad the points on this ship are. How many freaking angles are on that thing!
What happened to rounded smoothness? This looks the vengeance or whatever from the last trek movie but this ship makes the vengeance look good.
/fail
Fail indeed.
The people in charge obviously don't like round, smooth and organic looking Starfleet ships.
(which looks much more advanced that mechanical looking designs IMO)
But that didn't really start with STO, just look at the difference between the Galaxy Class and the Sovereign. They where made by two different designers and show completely different approaches.
One ship (the Galaxy) looks round organic and pretty advanced, while the sucessor looks like it was made hundred years before. (edgy, streched and it feels completely different IMO.)
The problem is that Starship design doesn't really have a clear line. (Too many cooks spoil the broth.)
Everyone wants to give it a new direction, instead of administer the heritage and carry it forward.
Cryptics designers carry it to extremes and loose the connection to previous Starfleet designs completely.
Just look at all non canon Starfleet ships being release in STO. If you subtract fan made designs like the Vesta and variations of canon ships, how many cryptic made designs look really good?
I bet you can count them on one hand.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I would like to see T6 fleet vesta (2 engi, 5 sci, 4 tac consoles) with 32k hull, 1.43 shield mod + Aux phaser sci universal console (15% phaser dmg, 15% torp dmg + 5% shield regen) that enables usage of Experimental Aux 360 phaser beam [Acc][Dmg][Over].
This looks to be the escort. Defiant -ilke, and looks fine to me.
As for the cruiser, look closer. It has 4 nacelles tightly packed. Think of it as an evolution of the cruiser design.
At least I hope it does. The day they drop nacelles entirely, I'll go to another game.
Yeah, the escort looks like an evolutionary progress from the Defiant Class although I sincerely hope that what we're looking at here is a very basic and crude model or some shield effects at least. Because if the basic ship looks like this, then it's a fail - it doesn't have any reckognizable Starfleet trademarks in the design or the materials and colouring.
About the cruiser (assuming it is indeed a cruiser), I don't know. I really don't like what I'm seeing, yes, I noticed it has the nacelles however it still rubs me the wrong way. Just doesn't look like a Starfleet ship at all to me.
Once again, I do hope what we're looking at here are preliminary and very crude models, because if they really go with this so called "TRON" look for T6 Starfleet ships.....I'd have no comment. Really, don't know what to say if that is the case.
Personally, I'm a fan of the classic design - round daucer, neck, engineering hull & 2 nacelles. That's why I brought up the design from the Enterprise contest once again - it completely looks 25-th cenury modern and still retains all the classic elements and materials on the hull. As a fan of cruisers, I'd like something like this because the latest, newest Starfleet cruisers in STO don't follow the design principles I like - for ex. Regent has no neck, Oddy and Avenger with that split-neck thing I'm not a fan of....
Don't get me wrong, I do like unconventional sometimes - for ex. I like this >Excalibur concept<, because it's quite different and yet very reckognizably Starfleet and Federation in appearence compared to the model presented in Las Vegas.
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Personally, I'm a fan of the classic design - round daucer, neck, engineering hull & 2 nacelles. That's why I brought up the design from the Enterprise contest once again - it completely looks 25-th cenury modern and still retains all the classic elements and materials on the hull. As a fan of cruisers, I'd like something like this because the latest, newest Starfleet cruisers in STO don't follow the design principles I like - for ex. Regent has no neck, Oddy and Avenger with that split-neck thing I'm not a fan of....
Don't get me wrong, I do like unconventional sometimes - for ex. I like this >Excalibur concept<, because it's quite different and yet very reckognizably Starfleet and Federation in appearence compared to the model presented in Las Vegas.
Finally someone who likes the Excalibur!
What i like about that ship is that it doesn't rely on beaten design elements like elongated saucers and nacelles like the Sovereign. It keeps the wide saucer design the Galaxy has and goes a step further, without making it look like made by a five year old.
I realize that it looks unconventional and many ppl don't like it, but i love that design aproach.
Maybe it needs a bit of thinking outside the box, because the actual Engineering hull is the neck, not just the traditional engineering hull. (which allows a HUGE warp core to fit in)
Maybe if Cryptic would have given that ship a chance, we would see it as a true GCS sucessor by now, who knows...
And we shouldn't forget that the GCS was at the beginning of TNG a unconventioal design too.
I would love to see the Galaxy Class design live on with such a ship, i think it's a shame that Cryptic completely dismissed the GCS wide saucer design in favour of the Sovereign-like and their own tongue-saucer designs.
Wouldn't it have been great if the excalibur would be one of the new T6 ships? :cool:
By the way, does anyone have more "design the next enterprise" concept designs lying around?
I think it would be interesting to discuss more of them.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Engineering section is the neck, thats what makes this ship special.
Imagine how big the warp core could be, this ship would be a powerhouse!
EDIT:
I could imagine to see it given the same stats (or at least similar ones) like the Elachi Monbosh Battleship.
Maybe it could fill the gap between the Avenger and the Galaxy -X/Regent. It's brawny appearance would fit into that place IMO.
TBH, i would just love to see some different designed Starfleet ship for a change. Something that follows the Galaxy design, rather than the Odyssey.(you know more wide and compact looking, instead of streched and elongated)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Engineering section is the neck, thats what makes this ship special.
Imagine how big the warp core could be, this ship would be a powerhouse!
EDIT:
I could imagine to see it given the same stats (or at least similar ones) like the Elachi Monbosh Battleship.
Maybe it could fill the gap between the Avenger and the Galaxy -X/Regent. It's brawny appearance would fit into that place IMO.
TBH, i would just love to see some different designed Starfleet ship for a change. Something that follows the Galaxy design, rather than the Odyssey.(you know more wide and compact looking, instead of streched and elongated)
Sorry but that section below thwe neck is just too small. May not be crytpic ugly but still ugly.
I would love to see the Galaxy Class design live on with such a ship, i think it's a shame that Cryptic completely dismissed the GCS wide saucer design in favour of the Sovereign-like and their own tongue-saucer designs.
Sorry but that section below thwe neck is just too small. May not be crytpic ugly but still ugly.
Actually, I think the engineering section is just right. That's what gives the ship that weird appeal to me.
And "butt ugly" is a matter of subjective perception. For ex. to me this looks superb. And beats those new T6 concepts as well as 90% of the other Cryptic Starfleet designs in game any day of the week.
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Shuttles don't use the tier system.
Oh? They haven't removed shuttles yet? [/Snark]
Shuttles don't use the tier system that ships do. Regardless, I doubt there will be shuttles with this expansion.
On the other hand, the angular design of the Cruiser-"thing" looks way too alien IMO.
Maybe it's just me, but isn't it strange that the escort concept looks suspiciously like a defiant (devs are avowedly DS9 fans), while the Cruiser (Devs always favored Escorts) looks just meh...
So we have a Escort that looks very similar like the most popular escort in Star Trek, while on the other side we have a Cruiser that doesn't look like any Starfleet ship.
Wouldn't it be more logical to make the T6 Cruiser more like a popular Starfleet ship too?
Maybe like the Galaxy, a big Starfleet cruiser from the same era as the Defiant?
A design Cryptics designers never really used and developed (outside a Galaxy Variant) unlike the Sovereign design which influenced the Odyssey and Regent. (Intrepid influenced Vesta and Dyson ships)
New Designs arent the problem. But observing a progression over time is necessary to relate to the audience and gamers that these are Star Trek and Starfleet ships.
What Cryptic does is throw that out the window and introduces ships with very little indication of an inspiration or progression from previous ship designs. These new concept designs are heavily influenced by things that are obviously not Star Trek in origin.
The Defiant while new and different still shared many obvious design choices that can be seen in earlier works. And by no means took Star Trek ship designs in a peculiar direction.
No ones arguing against progress here. Only that the progress made seems to be leaps and bounds beyond what would come next after the Odyssey design, the Tempest Design, Vesta, Avenger and Sao Paulo. Place the Tron Cruiser from the Con next to an Odyssey and youll notice how the Tron Cruiser looks like its centuries ahead of what the Odyssey is. Same with the Tron Escort and Sao Paulo. Its a jump of multiple generations of ship design.
The first ship strikes me as a pseudo half-Battlestar Galactica / half-Iconian vessel... with a strong nod to Tron.
Not a fan. But, hey, it's coming to the game regardless of what we think.
I really like the new increased blue color, I wonder if it is veteran material or not.
Btw is it sure that it is the cruiser? Looks like more a science ship for me.
Ha ha...you and me both. I'll most likely continue to fly my Excelsior since they said the older T5 ships will still be "viable" of course we don't know what cryptic considers viable... it's a rather subjective statement.
I would happily give up every ship I have for one of these, especially if it had at the bare minimum the Fleet Excelsior or Fleet Assault Cruiser stats... all wishful thinking though... unfortunately. :rolleyes:
This looks to be the escort. Defiant -ilke, and looks fine to me.
As for the cruiser, look closer. It has 4 nacelles tightly packed. Think of it as an evolution of the cruiser design.
At least I hope it does. The day they drop nacelles entirely, I'll go to another game.
It would appear 95% of the community on these forums, facebook sto groups, and twitter all agree no matter the story (reason behind the new fed cruisesr/sci ship or whatever it is) the nacelles are freaking hideous and need to go.
Devs as you skim the forums please realize there is extreme loathing for this new design. It is not Trek, and only a few like it at all.
The nacelles are ugly, the weird blue tron thing needs to be an option we can also disable if unliked. Aegis shields are glorious and place nice trim lighting but an entire ship all tron themed? um no
There are posts that are saying YOU will have to pay us to fly these things. I sure hope you guys take this seriously as the hatred is worse than the fed dyson appearance.
Gah I didn't even notice how bad the points on this ship are. How many freaking angles are on that thing!
What happened to rounded smoothness? This looks the vengeance or whatever from the last trek movie but this ship makes the vengeance look good.
/fail
I REALLY like the concept art from the second link.
Looking at the links for the cruiser and escort, it looks to me like perhaps upgraded versions of the Defiant and Heavy Cruisers. Perhaps these actually ARE those upgraded through whatever system is in place to upgrade ships to tier 6?
Fail indeed.
The people in charge obviously don't like round, smooth and organic looking Starfleet ships.
(which looks much more advanced that mechanical looking designs IMO)
But that didn't really start with STO, just look at the difference between the Galaxy Class and the Sovereign. They where made by two different designers and show completely different approaches.
One ship (the Galaxy) looks round organic and pretty advanced, while the sucessor looks like it was made hundred years before. (edgy, streched and it feels completely different IMO.)
The problem is that Starship design doesn't really have a clear line. (Too many cooks spoil the broth.)
Everyone wants to give it a new direction, instead of administer the heritage and carry it forward.
Cryptics designers carry it to extremes and loose the connection to previous Starfleet designs completely.
Just look at all non canon Starfleet ships being release in STO. If you subtract fan made designs like the Vesta and variations of canon ships, how many cryptic made designs look really good?
I bet you can count them on one hand.
Romulans designs thumbs up, Klingon designs most are quite good. Fed designs def back to the drawing board.
The Imperial Class is one of the few in-house Cryptic designs I really like.
Too bad my Fleet's shipyard isn't T5 yet. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Yeah, the escort looks like an evolutionary progress from the Defiant Class although I sincerely hope that what we're looking at here is a very basic and crude model or some shield effects at least. Because if the basic ship looks like this, then it's a fail - it doesn't have any reckognizable Starfleet trademarks in the design or the materials and colouring.
About the cruiser (assuming it is indeed a cruiser), I don't know. I really don't like what I'm seeing, yes, I noticed it has the nacelles however it still rubs me the wrong way. Just doesn't look like a Starfleet ship at all to me.
Once again, I do hope what we're looking at here are preliminary and very crude models, because if they really go with this so called "TRON" look for T6 Starfleet ships.....I'd have no comment. Really, don't know what to say if that is the case.
Personally, I'm a fan of the classic design - round daucer, neck, engineering hull & 2 nacelles. That's why I brought up the design from the Enterprise contest once again - it completely looks 25-th cenury modern and still retains all the classic elements and materials on the hull. As a fan of cruisers, I'd like something like this because the latest, newest Starfleet cruisers in STO don't follow the design principles I like - for ex. Regent has no neck, Oddy and Avenger with that split-neck thing I'm not a fan of....
Don't get me wrong, I do like unconventional sometimes - for ex. I like this >Excalibur concept<, because it's quite different and yet very reckognizably Starfleet and Federation in appearence compared to the model presented in Las Vegas.
What i like about that ship is that it doesn't rely on beaten design elements like elongated saucers and nacelles like the Sovereign. It keeps the wide saucer design the Galaxy has and goes a step further, without making it look like made by a five year old.
I realize that it looks unconventional and many ppl don't like it, but i love that design aproach.
Maybe it needs a bit of thinking outside the box, because the actual Engineering hull is the neck, not just the traditional engineering hull. (which allows a HUGE warp core to fit in)
Maybe if Cryptic would have given that ship a chance, we would see it as a true GCS sucessor by now, who knows...
And we shouldn't forget that the GCS was at the beginning of TNG a unconventioal design too.
I would love to see the Galaxy Class design live on with such a ship, i think it's a shame that Cryptic completely dismissed the GCS wide saucer design in favour of the Sovereign-like and their own tongue-saucer designs.
Wouldn't it have been great if the excalibur would be one of the new T6 ships? :cool:
By the way, does anyone have more "design the next enterprise" concept designs lying around?
I think it would be interesting to discuss more of them.
Fed = uber stealth now.
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/277/3/4/uss_lenara___starbridge_class_by_irolan-d4bsnzt.jpg
It is a kind of an intriguing design, for sure.... But it also kind of reminds of a dog when it scoots its butt across the floor.... :P
the engineering section NEEDS to be bigger
Engineering section is the neck, thats what makes this ship special.
Imagine how big the warp core could be, this ship would be a powerhouse!
EDIT:
I could imagine to see it given the same stats (or at least similar ones) like the Elachi Monbosh Battleship.
Maybe it could fill the gap between the Avenger and the Galaxy -X/Regent. It's brawny appearance would fit into that place IMO.
TBH, i would just love to see some different designed Starfleet ship for a change. Something that follows the Galaxy design, rather than the Odyssey.(you know more wide and compact looking, instead of streched and elongated)
Sorry but that section below thwe neck is just too small. May not be crytpic ugly but still ugly.
Not sure if you're familiar with the situation, but worth noting is that under Perpetual this design was intended to be the Enterprise-F.
That's what I'm hoping for as well.
Actually, I think the engineering section is just right. That's what gives the ship that weird appeal to me.
And "butt ugly" is a matter of subjective perception. For ex. to me this looks superb. And beats those new T6 concepts as well as 90% of the other Cryptic Starfleet designs in game any day of the week.