Well, would you look at that ... We got 1 more new ship.
And what did they give us? A Mirror T'varo ... This is Cryptic trolling at it's finest!
It's essentially a Fleet T''varo with a little less hull.
Now I'm not maligning the T'Varo, as it's a damn fine ship, but it wasn't what Romulan's needed!
Why not a Mirror Ha'nom? With a Tac orientation? Making a Ha'nom Assault Warbird ...
Or what about a Debuffer/Controller Ar'kif? A Sci Carrier? Letting you use your debuff/control abilities to help your pets kill stuff?
And finally ... What about a mirror version of the Nerada?
I know it's a cross faction ship, but at it's core the Tal Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser is Romulan!
We could finally have a proper 4 + 4 + 10 Turn Romulan Battle Cruiser! Drop the Sci abilities, and give it a standard Singularity Warp Core, and it would still be viable, and maybe bump the Tac up to LC and drop the Uni down to Lt.
So, let's look at the total of ships that can be obtained by each faction with their free ship tokens while leveling up.
Starfleet: 15 KDF: 14 Romulans: 7
This is my argument for needing some additional NON-LOCKBOX, NON-C-STORE Romulan ships. You're making money on the zen-for-dilithium traders, the people who obsessively buy pretty much every C-store ship (*whistles innocently*), as well as those who have bought zen for various other things (costumes, extra character slots, etc.).
We need this, and IMHO we deserve it. Legacy of Romulus was a very good expansion, and I have high hopes for the upcoming one. Even if you can't slip them into the build in time for that, please give us some free Rommy ship love. Our growing little captains need it.
In german we have the expression Luxusproblem, I guess "First world problem" would be a good translation for it. Its pretty much that anything the romulans lack is real garbage, at least for pve,and thats what this game revolves around.
In german we have the expression Luxusproblem, I guess "First world problem" would be a good translation for it. Its pretty much that anything the romulans lack is real garbage, at least for pve,and thats what this game revolves around.
So carriers are garbage? I guess people must hate the Narcine :rolleyes:
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Well, with the recent news, I would say this thread is obsolete, isn't it?
Not really because that's ONLY end-game.
The T6 ships will take care of one aspect of the problem. However, there is still no choice of ships while leveling. And whether you consider it a problem or not, some of us do.
I can fly nothing but cruisers all the way through the Starfleet leveling process, or nothing but Birds of Prey through the KDF leveling process. However, I'm stuck with one type of ship (sci-heavy escorts, essentially) all the way through leveling a Romulan.
If we get close to having the choices that Starfleet or the KDF has at all tiers, I'll be happy. I'm not unreasonable; I don't demand absolute parity...I just request choices.
Unless you are willing to command an ally's ship. I believe that is the ony major reaon for the alliance system left, so why not mke use of it?
Because it costs dilithium that I don't have at those levels.
At endgame, sure, except we can't use them.
But at level 20, who's going to have (for example) 40k dilithium for a ship?
Besides, I'm a Romulan, not a Starfleet officer. I should fly a Romulan ship. Saying "use an ally one" is just a way to get out of making more ships. Cryptic is good enough at that already; they don't need help.
and i want a 5/3 weapons layout with Battle cloak THAT DOES NOT SLIDE.
I guess it's a matter of taste ... See I've recently got myself a Narada (Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser) And although when I first started playing STO, I thought it was ugly, I've since grown to like the design ... I'm quite fond of her rounded haunches, and sleek, dangerous looking arms ...
I think that ship design would make an excellent Destroyer, perhaps with slightly wider, or longer wings, it could be an Adapted Mogai/Valdore ...
We, already have a 5 + 3 ship, and although I agree the "power slides" are annoying, it's an inherent feature of larger ships ...
The reason I suggest a 4 + 4 Destroyer setup, is because, with the exception of the cross-faction TSABC, Romulans do not actually have one ...
The Mogai/Valdore should have been that ship, but Cryptic (in their infinite wisdom) Went 4 + 3 and turned it into a Raptor ...
Currently there is not one single medium speed, medium turn, medium hull, 4 + 4 weapon, Romulan ship in STO ...
I still want my carrier, nothing fancy, something Vo'quv like would be nice...and not a Atrox :P
I don't need some big hunk of tactical carrier with 4/3 loadout, tactical powers up the wazoo, and a turn rate that would make most Federation Cruisers jealous like the Narcine. I just want something simple and Science-ey and with at least a couple tac boffs, like thw Vo'Quv's Lt Cmdr or least the Ha'nom' Ens and LT.
I don't need some OP frigates or even the Drone Ships, I'd be happy with some Kestrel Runabouts...Plasma Beam, Plasma Torpedo, and some ability...or two at elite like the Fed Runabout perhaps.
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I guess it's a matter of taste ... See I've recently got myself a Narada (Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser) And although when I first started playing STO, I thought it was ugly, I've since grown to like the design ... I'm quite fond of her rounded haunches, and sleek, dangerous looking arms ...
I think that ship design would make an excellent Destroyer, perhaps with slightly wider, or longer wings, it could be an Adapted Mogai/Valdore ...
We, already have a 5 + 3 ship, and although I agree the "power slides" are annoying, it's an inherent feature of larger ships ...
The reason I suggest a 4 + 4 Destroyer setup, is because, with the exception of the cross-faction TSABC, Romulans do not actually have one ...
The Mogai/Valdore should have been that ship, but Cryptic (in their infinite wisdom) Went 4 + 3 and turned it into a Raptor ...
Currently there is not one single medium speed, medium turn, medium hull, 4 + 4 weapon, Romulan ship in STO ...
Well, the thing i have trouble with when using the scimitar is gettint the bloody thing to move. I hate isnt sliding, i hate it being so slow. When i want my avenger to move, it MOVES. Hell, the xindi carrier moves better. I want the romulans to get a 5/3 layout that can get out of dodge when it needs to.
Well, the thing i have trouble with when using the scimitar is gettint the bloody thing to move. I hate isnt sliding, i hate it being so slow. When i want my avenger to move, it MOVES. Hell, the xindi carrier moves better. I want the romulans to get a 5/3 layout that can get out of dodge when it needs to.
Yeah ... I totally agree ...
Umm, running the Reman engine and the tachyokinetic console on it helps ... a little ... But the things a beached whale really, and no matter how hard I try, I still think it's as ugly as sin!
I'm sticking with my Narada ... Trying out different shields to see what it looks like ...
It looks pretty good with the Dyson shield (makes it grey/white ) and next up is the Reman and Romulan shields, then Nukara
Umm, running the Reman engine and the tachyokinetic console on it helps ... a little ... But the things a beached whale really, and no matter how hard I try, I still think it's as ugly as sin!
I'm sticking with my Narada ... Trying out different shields to see what it looks like ...
It looks pretty good with the Dyson shield (makes it grey/white ) and next up is the Reman and Romulan shields, then Nukara
Personally...for being the biggest playable ship in the game I think she handles a bit to well :P and yes I fly one.
As much as I want a carrier I do agree that the Romulans can use a Battlecruiser worthy of the name...
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I'd prefer a Romulan equivalent warbird to the AVENGER Class or MOGH Class battlecruisers over a counter to the ODYSSEY Class Star Cruiser or BORTASQU Class Cruiser. I think the SCIMITAR Class in some ways is part way between the two but I don't fly that class. On my Fed character, I now "fly" a Fleet AVENGER. It would be nice to have something similar in terms of consoles and performance so the more unique items would be:
1) Romulan Battle Cloak
2) Singularity powers in lieu of cruiser commands
3) Unique ability, perhaps Borg tech based, which follows the Variable Auto-Targeting Armament or Dynamic Defense Deployment System ability of the AVENGER Class or MOGH Class respectively.
I do think however another science vessel option is needed for the Romulans. Honestly, the Klingons and Romulans are lacking in options when compared to the Federation.
Ad astra per aspera
God be between you and harm, and all the empty places we must walk.
I'd prefer a Romulan equivalent warbird to the AVENGER Class or MOGH Class battlecruisers over a counter to the ODYSSEY Class Star Cruiser or BORTASQU Class Cruiser. I think the SCIMITAR Class in some ways is part way between the two but I don't fly that class. On my Fed character, I now "fly" a Fleet AVENGER. It would be nice to have something similar in terms of consoles and performance so the more unique items would be:
1) Romulan Battle Cloak
2) Singularity powers in lieu of cruiser commands
3) Unique ability, perhaps Borg tech based, which follows the Variable Auto-Targeting Armament or Dynamic Defense Deployment System ability of the AVENGER Class or MOGH Class respectively.
I do think however another science vessel option is needed for the Romulans. Honestly, the Klingons and Romulans are lacking in options when compared to the Federation.
I don't think the Scimitar is in the same league with any of them, being that it has a tac cmdr, plus to this day I think it was extremely lazy to name the Scimitar the Romulan flagship instead of making a ship comparable to the Bort/Oddy.
But as time goes on it doesn't surprise me, it seems like they put minimal effort and don't care at all for anyone but Feds.
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I don't think the Scimitar is in the same league with any of them, being that it has a tac cmdr, plus to this day I think it was extremely lazy to name the Scimitar the Romulan flagship instead of making a ship comparable to the Bort/Oddy.
But as time goes on it doesn't surprise me, it seems like they put minimal effort and don't care at all for anyone but Feds.
Then lets hope that the first FE of the expansion has the Llieset damaged beyond repair and it's merry crew given one of the T6 Romulan ships. It was a good way to give Shon the Enterprise and it looks like it would work here too.
I don't think the Scimitar is in the same league with any of them, being that it has a tac cmdr, plus to this day I think it was extremely lazy to name the Scimitar the Romulan flagship instead of making a ship comparable to the Bort/Oddy.
But as time goes on it doesn't surprise me, it seems like they put minimal effort and don't care at all for anyone but Feds.
I agree that the Romulan Republic (RR) flagship should be on par with the ODYSSEY Class Star Cruiser or BORTASQU Class Cruiser. I figured some super/heavy D'deridex looking warbird would have been the flagship. The alternative could have been a HA'APAX Class (and subclasses) Warbird even by the game wiki is classed as equivalent to the Assault Cruiser (SOVEREIGN Class).
However, the RR would use whichever combat ready "capital" ship it had at the moment. Keep in mind, the RR initial fleet were obtain from the Romulan Star Empire (RSE) in one way or another (capture in combat, defectors, outright theft, etc...). Initial new construction hulls for the RR fleet would be RSE era designs. The AR'KIF Class carrier, Dyson Sphere destroyers, and DAEINOS Class destroyer (1000 day ship) being the exception (if I missed one, sorry). You would think by now, the Romulan flagship would have changed to one of those classes since the Republic doesn't want to be equated with the Romulan Star Empire.
With that said, I basically would be repeating my post above from here on out.
Ad astra per aspera
God be between you and harm, and all the empty places we must walk.
What about a T4 Refit or T5 (T6?) Retrofit of the D'ridthau? It can load Dual Cannons for Spocks sake, yet it has a turn rate of 5? Are you kidding me?
Now I know you looked above and thought It's already a T4 ship, but it is NOT the ship it's designed to be. It was/is already a perfect candidate for a "Battlecruiser" or "Destroyer" yet Cryptic totally f*'d it up with that ridiculous 30 Inertia and 5 turn, so why bother giving it the ability to use Dual Cannons? ...
I know there is the T5 and Fleet D'deridex, which can use the D'rid skin, but that is really a Whale BFAW Tank ...
How about a D'ridthauRefit that has 4 x 4 weapons as per usual, but gets a 40(50?) Inertia and 9 <-->11 Turn, a Cmdr Tac seat instead of the Cmdr Engi (drop that down to Lt Cmdr?) and an extra Tac Console slot ...
And a Fleet Retrofit that adds a single hangar bay or a fixed "pet" like the Oddy's Aquarius (a T'Varo pet? With Rare/Very Rare versions available from Fleet shipyards?) plus the usual 10% Fleet buff's.
What about a T4 Refit or T5 (T6?) Retrofit of the D'ridthau? It can load Dual Cannons for Spocks sake, yet it has a turn rate of 5? Are you kidding me?
Now I know you looked above and thought It's already a T4 ship, but it is NOT the ship it's designed to be. It was/is already a perfect candidate for a "Battlecruiser" or "Destroyer" yet Cryptic totally f*'d it up with that ridiculous 30 Inertia and 5 turn, so why bother giving it the ability to use Dual Cannons? ...
I know there is the T5 and Fleet D'deridex, which can use the D'rid skin, but that is really a Whale BFAW Tank ...
How about a D'ridthauRefit that has 4 x 4 weapons as per usual, but gets a 40(50?) Inertia and 9 <-->11 Turn, a Cmdr Tac seat instead of the Cmdr Engi (drop that down to Lt Cmdr?) and an extra Tac Console slot ...
And a Fleet Retrofit that adds a single hangar bay or a fixed "pet" like the Oddy's Aquarius (a T'Varo pet? With Rare/Very Rare versions available from Fleet shipyards?) plus the usual 10% Fleet buff's.
I'm sorry but no...the republic already has enough tac ships.
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Seems we are getting all of 2 ships, and neither are science. Which even with the T5-U upgrade, Rom's are left with 1 science ship. (which I personally do not like, I do not like it's BOFF setup.)
At least the feds are getting 5 new ships, right? More than the other 2 factions combined.
ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug* [ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
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And what did they give us? A Mirror T'varo ... This is Cryptic trolling at it's finest!
It's essentially a Fleet T''varo with a little less hull.
Now I'm not maligning the T'Varo, as it's a damn fine ship, but it wasn't what Romulan's needed!
Why not a Mirror Ha'nom? With a Tac orientation? Making a Ha'nom Assault Warbird ...
Or what about a Debuffer/Controller Ar'kif? A Sci Carrier? Letting you use your debuff/control abilities to help your pets kill stuff?
And finally ... What about a mirror version of the Nerada?
I know it's a cross faction ship, but at it's core the Tal Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser is Romulan!
We could finally have a proper 4 + 4 + 10 Turn Romulan Battle Cruiser! Drop the Sci abilities, and give it a standard Singularity Warp Core, and it would still be viable, and maybe bump the Tac up to LC and drop the Uni down to Lt.
Number of ship choices for each faction that can be acquired with a free ship token:
Tier 2 (Lt. Commander/RR Centurion)
Starfleet: 3
KDF: 3
Romulans: 1
Tier 3 (Commander/RR Subcommander)*
Starfleet: 3
KDF: 3
Romulans: 1
*Add one if you count the Ambassador/Kamarag from "Temporal Ambassador"
Tier 4 (Captain/RR Commander)
Starfleet: 3
KDF: 3
Romulans: 2
(Wow...we actually get a choice here? Amazing!)
Tier 5 (SF Rear Admiral LH/KDF Brigadier General/RR Subadmiral I)
Starfleet: 6
KDF: 5
Romulans: 3
So, let's look at the total of ships that can be obtained by each faction with their free ship tokens while leveling up.
Starfleet: 15
KDF: 14
Romulans: 7
This is my argument for needing some additional NON-LOCKBOX, NON-C-STORE Romulan ships. You're making money on the zen-for-dilithium traders, the people who obsessively buy pretty much every C-store ship (*whistles innocently*), as well as those who have bought zen for various other things (costumes, extra character slots, etc.).
We need this, and IMHO we deserve it. Legacy of Romulus was a very good expansion, and I have high hopes for the upcoming one. Even if you can't slip them into the build in time for that, please give us some free Rommy ship love. Our growing little captains need it.
So carriers are garbage? I guess people must hate the Narcine :rolleyes:
The T6 ships will take care of one aspect of the problem. However, there is still no choice of ships while leveling. And whether you consider it a problem or not, some of us do.
I can fly nothing but cruisers all the way through the Starfleet leveling process, or nothing but Birds of Prey through the KDF leveling process. However, I'm stuck with one type of ship (sci-heavy escorts, essentially) all the way through leveling a Romulan.
If we get close to having the choices that Starfleet or the KDF has at all tiers, I'll be happy. I'm not unreasonable; I don't demand absolute parity...I just request choices.
At endgame, sure, except we can't use them.
But at level 20, who's going to have (for example) 40k dilithium for a ship?
Besides, I'm a Romulan, not a Starfleet officer. I should fly a Romulan ship. Saying "use an ally one" is just a way to get out of making more ships. Cryptic is good enough at that already; they don't need help.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc411/lrg1602/posts/star_trek_online_hakeev_s_ship_conc_zps82df0f92.jpg
Its ugly.....
and i want a 5/3 weapons layout with Battle cloak THAT DOES NOT SLIDE.
I guess it's a matter of taste ... See I've recently got myself a Narada (Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser) And although when I first started playing STO, I thought it was ugly, I've since grown to like the design ... I'm quite fond of her rounded haunches, and sleek, dangerous looking arms ...
I think that ship design would make an excellent Destroyer, perhaps with slightly wider, or longer wings, it could be an Adapted Mogai/Valdore ...
We, already have a 5 + 3 ship, and although I agree the "power slides" are annoying, it's an inherent feature of larger ships ...
The reason I suggest a 4 + 4 Destroyer setup, is because, with the exception of the cross-faction TSABC, Romulans do not actually have one ...
The Mogai/Valdore should have been that ship, but Cryptic (in their infinite wisdom) Went 4 + 3 and turned it into a Raptor ...
Currently there is not one single medium speed, medium turn, medium hull, 4 + 4 weapon, Romulan ship in STO ...
I don't need some big hunk of tactical carrier with 4/3 loadout, tactical powers up the wazoo, and a turn rate that would make most Federation Cruisers jealous like the Narcine. I just want something simple and Science-ey and with at least a couple tac boffs, like thw Vo'Quv's Lt Cmdr or least the Ha'nom' Ens and LT.
I don't need some OP frigates or even the Drone Ships, I'd be happy with some Kestrel Runabouts...Plasma Beam, Plasma Torpedo, and some ability...or two at elite like the Fed Runabout perhaps.
Well, the thing i have trouble with when using the scimitar is gettint the bloody thing to move. I hate isnt sliding, i hate it being so slow. When i want my avenger to move, it MOVES. Hell, the xindi carrier moves better. I want the romulans to get a 5/3 layout that can get out of dodge when it needs to.
Yeah ... I totally agree ...
Umm, running the Reman engine and the tachyokinetic console on it helps ... a little ... But the things a beached whale really, and no matter how hard I try, I still think it's as ugly as sin!
I'm sticking with my Narada ... Trying out different shields to see what it looks like ...
It looks pretty good with the Dyson shield (makes it grey/white ) and next up is the Reman and Romulan shields, then Nukara
Personally...for being the biggest playable ship in the game I think she handles a bit to well :P and yes I fly one.
As much as I want a carrier I do agree that the Romulans can use a Battlecruiser worthy of the name...
1) Romulan Battle Cloak
2) Singularity powers in lieu of cruiser commands
3) Unique ability, perhaps Borg tech based, which follows the Variable Auto-Targeting Armament or Dynamic Defense Deployment System ability of the AVENGER Class or MOGH Class respectively.
I do think however another science vessel option is needed for the Romulans. Honestly, the Klingons and Romulans are lacking in options when compared to the Federation.
God be between you and harm, and all the empty places we must walk.
I don't think the Scimitar is in the same league with any of them, being that it has a tac cmdr, plus to this day I think it was extremely lazy to name the Scimitar the Romulan flagship instead of making a ship comparable to the Bort/Oddy.
But as time goes on it doesn't surprise me, it seems like they put minimal effort and don't care at all for anyone but Feds.
Then lets hope that the first FE of the expansion has the Llieset damaged beyond repair and it's merry crew given one of the T6 Romulan ships. It was a good way to give Shon the Enterprise and it looks like it would work here too.
I agree that the Romulan Republic (RR) flagship should be on par with the ODYSSEY Class Star Cruiser or BORTASQU Class Cruiser. I figured some super/heavy D'deridex looking warbird would have been the flagship. The alternative could have been a HA'APAX Class (and subclasses) Warbird even by the game wiki is classed as equivalent to the Assault Cruiser (SOVEREIGN Class).
However, the RR would use whichever combat ready "capital" ship it had at the moment. Keep in mind, the RR initial fleet were obtain from the Romulan Star Empire (RSE) in one way or another (capture in combat, defectors, outright theft, etc...). Initial new construction hulls for the RR fleet would be RSE era designs. The AR'KIF Class carrier, Dyson Sphere destroyers, and DAEINOS Class destroyer (1000 day ship) being the exception (if I missed one, sorry). You would think by now, the Romulan flagship would have changed to one of those classes since the Republic doesn't want to be equated with the Romulan Star Empire.
With that said, I basically would be repeating my post above from here on out.
God be between you and harm, and all the empty places we must walk.
Now I know you looked above and thought It's already a T4 ship, but it is NOT the ship it's designed to be. It was/is already a perfect candidate for a "Battlecruiser" or "Destroyer" yet Cryptic totally f*'d it up with that ridiculous 30 Inertia and 5 turn, so why bother giving it the ability to use Dual Cannons? ...
I know there is the T5 and Fleet D'deridex, which can use the D'rid skin, but that is really a Whale BFAW Tank ...
How about a D'ridthau Refit that has 4 x 4 weapons as per usual, but gets a 40(50?) Inertia and 9 <-->11 Turn, a Cmdr Tac seat instead of the Cmdr Engi (drop that down to Lt Cmdr?) and an extra Tac Console slot ...
And a Fleet Retrofit that adds a single hangar bay or a fixed "pet" like the Oddy's Aquarius (a T'Varo pet? With Rare/Very Rare versions available from Fleet shipyards?) plus the usual 10% Fleet buff's.
I'm sorry but no...the republic already has enough tac ships.
My suggestion for one of the T6 ships, would be a kind of a refit of the Mogai class. Since we know that Cryptic is not exactly known for his talent in designing ships, I have here some pictures found on the net, showing a ship, as it could be an evolution of the Mogai / Valdore class.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oxqbN7M3Tfg/Tq3q9ZLF9xI/AAAAAAAABis/LxGJvDQAh1M/s1600/05.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9dNI6qxhzos/Tq3q9g9PlII/AAAAAAAABiw/4_4TY5JEjVg/s1600/06.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NEJb1NRxdfo/Tq3q-DFhFcI/AAAAAAAABi8/le8ztl8gluA/s1600/07.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j0nWyK4xafo/Tq3q_F7NAfI/AAAAAAAABjA/Macq2bIs0TM/s1600/08.png
I would be interested what you think.
If we compare the appearance of the Mogai class with the appereance this ship should have, so you can already see great differences.
Star Trek Online Mogai: http://images-cdn.perfectworld.eu/www/46/67/4667b893144630ec0bdcc6aeac727eba1365152601.jpg
Original Mogai: http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58583&d=1340030171
http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58584&d=1340030171
There are places on the Mogai which glow, but they should not and in addition, the two stub wings at the head of the vessel are also missing...
Cryptic wants to revise the Intrepid class? They should also revise the Mogai and where we're at it, also give the D'deridex matching interiors.
P.s. This one could also be a nice desing, for a T6 ship. http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2009/346/f/a/Romulan_D__shara_Final_1_by_Galen82.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/346/3/d/Romulan_D__shara_Final_3_by_Galen82.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/349/b/0/Romulan_D__shara_Final_4_by_Galen82.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs51/i/2009/336/5/3/Romulan_D__shara_WIP_3_Dec_09_by_Galen82.jpg
It would be better than the ships of the Ha'Nom and Ha'apax class, which do not present a good example of Romulan Desing in my eyes anyway.
I hope that what I wrote is understandable. English is not my native language and I use a translation program.
At least the feds are getting 5 new ships, right? More than the other 2 factions combined.
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]